Develop Bugs

Bluetooth Upgrade and Bluetooth GPS

I don't know if anyone has noticed... but the new ROM version (1.72 + radio 14) has actually improved concerning serial bluetooth connections -- especially on my BT GPS.
Now when I bond with it, it asks me if I want to use the serial profile. I say yes, and it uses COM 5 for my BT GPS. All works fine. No need to use the Blueooth tools software that was needed before.
So this is actually an improvement, but hard to notice unless one tries "the old fashioned way" with BT GPS.
Works like a charm......

I have not tried it with BT GPS, but looking at what everyone else went through with their Headsets and bonding issues, I can defintiely attest to the fact that the new BT Stack on 1.72WWE works great! I have never had to re-pair my Jabra BT 250 since I paired it the first time two weeks ago. I have also been able to ActiveSync over BT without any problems.

Lucky u guys, when i did the update, i cant active sync through BT

first_major:
Try this attached document and see if it helps.

sheran_g,
Thaks alot, all i was missing was to do the active sync profile, your document helped me.
Thaks again

(some) GPS problems with 1.72 (and 1.66)
Victor said:
I don't know if anyone has noticed... but the new ROM version (1.72 + radio 14) has actually improved concerning serial bluetooth connections -- especially on my BT GPS.
Now when I bond with it, it asks me if I want to use the serial profile. I say yes, and it uses COM 5 for my BT GPS. All works fine. No need to use the Blueooth tools software that was needed before.
So this is actually an improvement, but hard to notice unless one tries "the old fashioned way" with BT GPS.
Works like a charm......
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have noticed the added WM function for BT GPS on COM5 (already with 1.66), however 'since' 1.66 I can not get my BT GPS to work with Alturion.
The strange things are:
- At first it still worked with 1.66 but a week after it failed and Alturion and I can not get it working since (incl. 1.72 upgrade).
- if I start Alturion the blue GPS LED starts flashing fast (green LED indicates satelite lock) which suggests BT connection, but still it says "NO GPS FOUND" all the time!
- With TT3 the GPS is working ok (with BT and serial profiles)
I dare not to hope, but if anybody has an idea please let me know. I prefer not to downgrade to 1.60 since I see many issues with this downgrade on this forum.
Victor said:
..... I say yes .....
.... unless one tries "the old fashioned way" with BT GPS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can not remember that NO was an option. Do you mean this with the old fashion way???
Ronald

Hi guys
I'm guessing that the 1.7 upgrade is not avalable in Australia??? I cannot find it on the MyXDA website for download? is this update that you are talking about not for Australia/Asia?
Cheers...

sheran_g said:
first_major:
Try this attached document and see if it helps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dude the filedoesnt work, can u upload it again?
Smiley

smiley_thing69 said:
sheran_g said:
first_major:
Try this attached document and see if it helps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dude the filedoesnt work, can u upload it again?
Smiley
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You might need to download Adobe Acrobat Reader in order to view the file. You can find the Acrobat Reader here.

dont try dow view the file in IE
Download it first and THEN view it
This works for me

smiley_thing69 said:
sheran_g said:
first_major:
Try this attached document and see if it helps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dude the filedoesnt work, can u upload it again?
Smiley
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
With gozilla I can also not download the pdf, but with "save target as" it works.
@sheran_g
BTW Thanx for the post

Re: (some) GPS problems with 1.72 (and 1.66)
ronald2oo2 said:
I have noticed the added WM function for BT GPS on COM5 (already with 1.66), however 'since' 1.66 I can not get my BT GPS to work with Alturion.
The strange things are:
- At first it still worked with 1.66 but a week after it failed and Alturion and I can not get it working since (incl. 1.72 upgrade).
- if I start Alturion the blue GPS LED starts flashing fast (green LED indicates satelite lock) which suggests BT connection, but still it says "NO GPS FOUND" all the time!
- With TT3 the GPS is working ok (with BT and serial profiles)
I dare not to hope, but if anybody has an idea please let me know. I prefer not to downgrade to 1.60 since I see many issues with this downgrade on this forum.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you sure this isn't TomTom's GPS Driver causing this? TT's GPS Drivers since v2.08 have locked the BT Com Port for exclusive access by TomTom and this prevents other apps from accessing a BT GPS. Solutions are either install v2.07 which was the last driver that did not do this or remove 'the Tomtom~GPS' entry which is the culprit, removing this removes the BT Com Port lock but does not affect the use of TomTom.

@ griffog
Actually I use TomTom ~GPS 3.03 which does not have this problem anymore! Anyhow I still (temporarely) remove the TomTom ~GPS driver and soft-reset when I test with Alturion.
But thanx for the tip.
BTW it does effect the use of TomTom for me! I guess you have a serial (non BT) GPS !?
Ronald

No I use BT GPS unit's exclusively. I'll have to investigate this as I have not heard that v3.03 no longer has this problem!

@griffog
I have this information from the Dutch PocketPC-club TT forum.
It is also consistent with what I see since the TT3.03 upgrade, even while my other GPS application (Alturion) is not working. If I run TT GPS and close it and then start Alturion the Blue LED of the GPS starts flashing fast (sadly I still get "no GPS found" however).
Ronald
:wink: remember you heard it first from me, the Premier GPS Resource :wink:

Excellent news! I've just loaded it up to test and you were right It's such good news that I've posted a front page news item, thanks

Indeed it was very good news.... but therefor also more disappointing for me that I don't get Alturion -my second GPS application- to work (on the eve of my holidays).
If you also use Alturion 5.3.1.4 (you seem in to GPS), can you share your configuration with me?
OS (1.66+?)?, BTHTools or WM serial BT profile? GPS? GPS config in Alturion? and anything else you might consider important.
I really need some new straws to grasp because I have no more ideas about what to try.
Ronald

Sadly Alturion hasn't made it across the channel. I'ce contacted them on numerous occasions for a review copy but never received a reply.

Another cool fix is the fact that you can now be connected through Activesinc using the cradle and at the same time now you can receive MMSs without a problem.
Before the 1.72 upgrade, you just couln't do that. :wink:

Can't use GPSTuner....

anyone able to use GPSTuner successfully?
http://www.gpstuner.com/overview.htm
I have installed MapkingG10... and works very well. Howver having problem with GPSTuner...as it will hang my pda when i start the GPS. I have set the PORT manually already.

same here.
Other progs find the GPS.
Only GPSTuner hang on.
What is the solution for that?

Same here.
Now using BeeLine GPS and Navigator II.

There are already topics in the Board of the GPS Tuner Website. The Program also only kills the PDA when it establishes the connection to the GPS Module. I can use the Program very well as long as it hast not initiated the GPS Receiver. As soon as i set the Port manually to the GPS receiver, the device freezes. If set to automatic search-mode, the Program freezes during startup, probably becaus it tries to use the GPS Module at once. When i searched there, there was no solution yet.... We have to be patient

Download a program called GPSgate (http://franson.com/index.asp? - Shareware version available) and use that to setup a virtual GPS com port on COM5. Then delete the gpstuner.ini file and select COM5 instead of COM4 when GPS Tuner is started. All worked fine for me with my XDA orbit.
Looks like GPS Tuner can't share the GPS as well as other programs but GPSgate gets over this until the developer can sort out his code.
Cheers,
Neil

w0mbat said:
...Then delete the gpstuner.ini file and select COM5 instead of COM4 when GPS Tuner is started.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haven't tried that, will do in the next days. I only tried GPS Gate creating a virtual COM Port and then selecting this Port in GPSTuner, there was the freeze again
Merry christmas

it works !!
Many THANKS !! it really made my day !! Merry Christmas !!
w0mbat said:
Download a program called GPSgate (http://franson.com/index.asp? - Shareware version available) and use that to setup a virtual GPS com port on COM5. Then delete the gpstuner.ini file and select COM5 instead of COM4 when GPS Tuner is started. All worked fine for me with my XDA orbit.
Looks like GPS Tuner can't share the GPS as well as other programs but GPSgate gets over this until the developer can sort out his code.
Cheers,
Neil
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

The GPS Tuner site recommends a similar work round using JAL Port Splitter
"I have P3300 PDA (with integrated GPS). When I launch GPS Tuner, I am asked to automatically configure GPS Settings. After a few seconds the screen freeze and I have to soft reset my Pcket PC
Seems that the .NET Compact Framework's serial port reader is not fully compatible with P3300 device. There is a workaround for this problem. Please download the free JAL Port Splitter application and install it to your PDA. Before starting GPS Tuner, please start Port Splitter and set your input GPS port (write manually COM4 into the box) and an output virtual port (for example COM5). Then start GPS Tuner and set your GPS port same as Port Splitter's virual port."

GPS Turner
You have to install the software GPSGate in order fir GPS Tuner to work. The reasons are explained on the GPS Tuner web site...
BEline GPS works perfectly...

please anyone tell me where could I download the installation and key for Jal port splitter
Thanks

Direct Access to the internal GPS ??

Hello there,
Did anybody find out how to access the internal GPS of the HTC P3300 without using the GPSID (GPS Intermediate Driver)?
Although the internal GPS works fine for me with many programs (TomTom, Pathaway, Fugawi, VisualGPSce, etc.) I did not find a way to program the internal GPS using any of the common GPS tools (such as SirfTech, Aplsirf, CeMonitor, GPSTweak, etc.). In particular I'm very interested in enabling/disabling the SN and the SBAS Mode.
I'm guessing that programming the internal GPS via the GPSID is not possible (or not supported) while it might be possible by accessing the hardware GPS directly. However, I don't know how to do so...
During my investigations I found out the following details:
Based on the MS GPSID Reference the HTC P3300 must have a plug'n'play based internal GPS receiver, as there's no valid registry key found in the corresponding HKLM/System/CurrentControlSet/GPS Intermediate Drivers section.
Looking into the HKLM/Drivers/Active section for a suitable pnp GPS driver I only found COM3 (SerialGPS.dll) which for me seems to be the corresponding hardware driver for the internal GPS. However, accessing COM3 always fails for me with any program.
Does anybody know how to get COM3 (SerialGPS) to work?
Or does anybody know how the GPSID talks to the internal GPS and why I can't do it directly (or how I can do it directly too)?
Any help and discussion is higly appreciated.
Thanks, GeenZ.

Have you tired to delete the gps driver in registry, and after a softreset tried to access direct on com 3 ?

pklein90 said:
Have you tired to delete the gps driver in registry, and after a softreset tried to access direct on com 3 ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I already have tried disabling the GPSID. This can be done either by the GPS control panel or directly in the registry by setting the key HLKM/System/CurrentControlSet/GPS Intermediate Driver/IsEnabled to "0".
The effect was that the virtual GPS COM port from the GPSID (COM4) was no longer available, but COM 3 still did not work.
Does deleting and softreseting make a difference to disabling?
How could I "completey delete" the GPSID in the registry?
Thanks, GeenZ

I'm interested in this too since I've found reading from COM4 using CF 2 is really buggy and hangs the device. I wanted to see if talking directly to the GPS instead of the intermediate driver would speed things up a bit.

Hi,
As I reported in this Thread I did not find any solution to get direct access to the GPS port.
GeenZ

indiekiduk said:
talking directly to the GPS instead of the intermediate driver would speed things up a bit.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it would also probably solve the problem of M650 users stucked with a different firmware version of this internal GPS which doesn't work under wm6

If you would take a look at my following thread
it explains the problem.
Alot of people think they cant connect to the GPS device, but actually it is connection but just nog receiving data the right way.

Slovek said:
If you would take a look at my following thread
it explains the problem.
Alot of people think they cant connect to the GPS device, but actually it is connection but just nog receiving data the right way.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks Slovek
Should we Thank HTC for this great feature ?!

Already had contact with them, initially they put this up as a 'feature' but about a month ago i received a short list of questions regarding the GPS module. so i hope their going to change this.

Hope so
at least for the "perennity" of this device !

About: Why GPS doesnt work for some programs

Alright,
As most of you have already noticed some GPS program's just dont work on the P3300... odd? yes but it can be explained.
The GPS unit wich is used in the HTC p3300 uses COM4 to communicate, 4800 buadrate, all working nicely. BUT... the p3300 doesnt seem to set the EV_RXCHAR flag, wicht is used by most common COM handlers, this flag indicates there is new data in the receive buffer.
Because most hobby projects use common COM handlers, they think they'r not receiving any data at all and will do nothing.
Some say solving this is possible by using Franson GPSGate.
I have not yet try'd this because im trying to find something freeware. and the franson version is limited to 14 days.
As it seems the free progam JAL portsplitter (recommended bij GPS Tuner) creates a new comport and can be set to redirect the data from the GPS to other apps, but now WITH the EV_RXCHAR flags set.
Dear sir,
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe support.
Regarding your query, this handset was designed to work with, specifically, TomTom and other highend programs, as such this not a flaw or known issue but rather a feature of the device.
As such there will be no solution or update to address this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So HTC wil not be changing the softwarez for this....
Its not a bug... it's a feature

Update:
I have contacted HTC on the issue because the P3300 is about the only device that has this issue, also asked about the upcoming ROM update and if it is fixed.
I hope the PortSplitter i posted solves most issues for now.

The iMate pda-n suffers from exactly the same fault - interesting find though all the same thanks
Mike

!!!
This is a very serius "about"

Update in startpost

Unfortunatelly it does not work on my HTC P3300... I choose in Input "GPS Port" but in the output it doesn't have any choice... I tried to add i vurtual port but when i choose add nothing happen...

Hi guys,
I know it has been a very long time since this topic was updated, but I was wondering if anyone knows a tool that is able to change the sirf settings. I used to have a pda with a bluetooth gps receiver and I had a program that could change a lot more than just the refresh rate. There were options that could actually harm the device if set up the wrong way.
I was wondering if the stated missing feature is part of the gps chipset and can be modified or added or is it part of the entire system and can't be altered?
Regards
Sebastian

Hi,
has anyone sucessfully turned on Static Navigation? With beta-Versions for editors it was possible with MMSirf, but with Final versions it isn't, (this told me a mod of pocketnavigation)...
But it is only under 2,5kmh not 4 kmh as with most devices...
But its a pity, though...
Stefan

SurfaceCleanerZ said:
Hi,
has anyone sucessfully turned on Static Navigation? ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Static navigation is "On" by default!
Currently there is no solution to switch it to "Off", isn't it?

ok, I made a mistake: I want to go geocaching and so I want to get location data while standing still!
Stefan

Hello,
gives news with GPS- Programming ? I am also interrest on a solution to switch off sn on a artemis.

old Thread, so i not sure someone interrest.
Yes, i got it, sure.
it is possible to deactivate GPS SN on a artemis.
now he display continues gps coordinates also in slow speed < 2.5 kmh.
In Bootloader , mtty and SirfDemo.
is someone interested then i can give some information.
So it looks possible to Programm something on the sirf.
Sorry for my English.

Hi,
very cool!
How did you get this?
regards,
Stefan

well, so i have do some test and its working.
so i have modify 3 mda C3 and 1 p3300.
sn are off on all 4 units .
only if you remove the Accu the it will be back.
the problem is its working not on all PC.
on one old 1Ghz athlon with a usb 1.1 ist working. on my new PC its not working. Sirfdemo hangs up wenn SIRF goes into Binary Sirfmod.
i think the binary data crash the usb port.
it looks like the bitclock of the serial sirfdata is not 100% ok.
Step by step
dissable activ sync UsbConnection
on artemis go ito Bootloader and connect to the usb
on pc start mtty.exe ,select ( Port \\.\WCEUSBH001)
(I use mtty multiport usb v0.01)
Press Return, a Cmd comes on Screen
now enter GPSRouting 57600
now starts some output ,looks like NMEA
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,$GPGGA,132149.693,,,,,0,00,,,M,0.0,M,,0000*56
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,$GPGGA,132150.693,,,,,0,00,,,M,0.0,M,,0000*5E
.....
close mtty
now install sirfdemo (i use 3.87) on the PC
( gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25575)
edit the sirfdemo.ini
-[DataSrc]
-Src=0
-SerPort=\\.\WCEUSBSH001
-SerBaud=57600
and save it
open sifdemo
on setup/target select GSWLT3.... and dissable. autodetection
now press the connect button.
after some sec. you will see one or more lines in the left (debug view, and errors in the right window.
now enter action menue and press switch to sirf
its works so you will only see some in the error window and no new line in the left window.
now sel. navigation menue and press static navigation, sel. Dissable and press set.
after some sec you will see an entry in the response window
wenn not retry it.
it is done then sel action menue and press switch to NMEA
a option menue comes up. you must change baudrate to 57600 !!
then press ok
now close sirfdemo.
open mtty
if you see now line by line NMEA log so it is ok, if you will see endless charters
so the switch back to NMEA are not ok. ---- Power off all and restart.
now reset the artemis and test the gps.
!!! removing the accu will reset the new setting.
i am not sure it was possible to destroy something with this.
so i have testing many many time and always is fine after removing the accu.
sorry for my english.

Hi,
one question:
"now install sirfdemo"
where PC oder PDA?
An Link to mtty would be nice!
Thanks for your HowTo!
btw: Ich denke eine dt. Anleitung dürfte für die meisten einfacher sein und ausreichen. Stell die doch zusätzlich unten an...
nema: You mean NMEA!
It is very interesting that you get it working, because prior Trials told, that the pin for this of the chip is not connected.
regards,
Stefan

Did anyone made any permanent solution SN (static nav)? I tend to remove my battery quite often due to SD and SIM cards inside.
It would be great if someone could write and app which would manage to connect to the GPS chipset from inside WM5/6 and change the SN, even if that would be a temporary solution. I could run the tweak when i go Geocaching.
Hope to hear some good news soon,
Bushman

Any way to automatically reconnect SPP Slave GPS?

I'm having trouble that I never had on my Tilt in regards to using a bluetooth GPS with my Tilt 2.
I've always used GPSGate, but I can't get it to make a Bluetooth connection, so I'm trying a SPP com port connection, but when I do that it prompts me every time it wants to open the connection with a dialog like:
Bluetooth serial port
Please select a serial port connction shortcut to connect:
Add
HOLUX GPSlim 236 (SPP Slave)
I already have created the port (com2) in the Bluetooth prefs, and if I select the HOLUX entry it does connect, but it prompts every single time. Is there a way to make this reconnect automatically or any suggestions for the Bluetooth connection problem?

Bump, maybe someone else is interested and trying this. Tilt 2's GPS seems better than the original Tilt but still nowhere near as good as a good Sirfstar chipset.

khaytsus said:
Bump, maybe someone else is interested and trying this. Tilt 2's GPS seems better than the original Tilt but still nowhere near as good as a good Sirfstar chipset.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, i have the same problem as you with my European Pro2.
I allready reported this problem to HTC, pointing out that there is not posible to save the hardware settings on External GPS settings tab.

i'm also interested in a workaround.

Old stacks...
You used to be able to do it with a registry flag. But that no longer works. Just search for BTBrowserEnabled.
Nothing else works either that I have tried. have also placed a call to HTC about it. Using a HTC HD2 WM6.5.
At least if there was only one device it could auto connect. But no that would have far too easy.
Joffa.

Joffa said:
You used to be able to do it with a registry flag. But that no longer works. Just search for BTBrowserEnabled.
Nothing else works either that I have tried. have also placed a call to HTC about it. Using a HTC HD2 WM6.5.
At least if there was only one device it could auto connect. But no that would have far too easy.
Joffa.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you find out anything more, please post

khaytsus said:
I'm having trouble that I never had on my Tilt in regards to using a bluetooth GPS with my Tilt 2.
I've always used GPSGate, but I can't get it to make a Bluetooth connection, so I'm trying a SPP com port connection, but when I do that it prompts me every time it wants to open the connection with a dialog like:
Bluetooth serial port
Please select a serial port connction shortcut to connect:
Add
HOLUX GPSlim 236 (SPP Slave)
I already have created the port (com2) in the Bluetooth prefs, and if I select the HOLUX entry it does connect, but it prompts every single time. Is there a way to make this reconnect automatically or any suggestions for the Bluetooth connection problem?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have same problem with HTC HD2. EveryTime when I need to use Holux M1000 BT GPS. I must go to BT settings and manualy connect SPP connection with BT device.

Also have exactly the same problem trying to use a GNS TrafficBox FM9BT-C TMC receiver with iGo on a HD2. Pairs fine but then when you try to use iGo the window pops up again briefly but without enough time to allow you to select the com port.
Surely someone must know how to fix this?
Very annoying