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WM5... Official? or adapted?

Let me understad one thing....
Is The WM5 upgrade for BA an official work from HTC?
Or is an experiment by a very smart hacker? :twisted:
Anybody knows if will be avalaible an official upgrade by O2 t-mobile or others? :?
Thanx, M

Neither. From what I've heard it's a test version from Microsoft. And it will probably never surface as a regular upgrade because it's even more buggy and need more clever fixes and workarounds then even their usual official releases...

Mastiff said:
Neither. From what I've heard it's a test version from Microsoft. And it will probably never surface as a regular upgrade because it's even more buggy and need more clever fixes and workarounds then even their usual official releases...
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...but thanks God, we have Buzz, Mamaich, xda2jojo, toenalied and others

Yes, right! But the thing is that those guys, and we, are enthusiasts. And this is a build that probably wouldn't cut it commercially, since it's not stable enough or easy enough to get stable for Joe Sixpack and his moron friends.

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Yes, right! But the thing is that those guys, and we, are enthusiasts. And this is a build that probably wouldn't cut it commercially, since it's not stable enough or easy enough to get stable for Joe Sixpack and his moron friends.
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Anyway... anybody knows why i should upgrade?
I use the BA for my job... I'd like to have the new WM5 but I don't know if is a good thing to upgrade....
Thanx, M.

If you're dependent on it for your job, and you're not experienced with computers and PPCs, and especially if you can't live with a few annoyances for a while, you should not do it.

I didn't hesitate to install it.
I was a tiny bit worried about turning my phone into an expensive brick, but it was remarkably easy to install WM5 on my BA. Took me about half an hour (most of that being flashing time).
Works fine, all the patches installed so I've got my camera back up and backlight.
Really, sterling work!

buggy???no doubt but all the roms are not perpect...even the PC windows...nevertheless...i love it...

hello guys.
i'm pretty sure it will come out comercial.
sure it's buggy has hell right now, that's why it's a early beta version.
but has you all know, there's microsoft people watching everything, so all the fixes and patches made by our members here at xda-developers are surelly being implemented into the next beta version.
don't think that beta versions are leaked for no reason :wink:

xda2jojo said:
buggy???no doubt but all the roms are not perpect...even the PC windows...nevertheless...i love it...
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To All here discussing this:
I am a big fan of windows based phones/PDAs.In my 10 yrs of cell phone usage time, I have used Nokia(Symbian 60/80/90) SE(UIQ), Mototrola(UIQ) Ipaq 6365 etc etc....But I am noe wandering around HTC Devices, 2/2i/2s/Magician....I hv kept all the three devices and XDA2/BA are with WM 5.AND I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT WM 5 Rocks....With WM 5, battry life has increased,clarity is increased...device has become more stable....All of you might hv come across so many threads of soft resetting the devices...but with WM5 no such problems...no one way sound problems...BT Head sets work flawlessly..and more...data is not lost...

I think there too much problems yet to upgrade... on WM5...
Ciao, M.

Really? I have found it much LESS buggey than any of the WM2003 roms around!
Yes its dose have some issues but it is a Microsoft product after all! If it didnt have any issues I think I would drop dead in shock!
As its for OEMs and mobile networks and going by how well it works (with the legendary Mamaich's patches its very nearly perfect) I'd say that would be very close to how would be if it was officially released...

The bugs have nothing to do with the fact that it is a Micro$oft's product. That's a misconception that's been generated through the rise of Linux and stuff. I use all different types of Software and OSs and not a single one is bugs free. Even Switches and Routers are full of bugs and they're not made my MS.
The fact of the matter is, programmers are only humans and will always make mistakes and learn from it. Thats all programming is about. Making crazy mistakes to mess with the world and then get it fixed later disaster has struck.
WWWeed said:
Really? I have found it much LESS buggey than any of the WM2003 roms around!
Yes its dose have some issues but it is a Microsoft product after all! If it didnt have any issues I think I would drop dead in shock!
As its for OEMs and mobile networks and going by how well it works (with the legendary Mamaich's patches its very nearly perfect) I'd say that would be very close to how would be if it was officially released...
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here's some food for toughts...
The First Windows Mobile 5.0 Device
and this one for the interested
Windows Mobile 5.0 Developer Evaluation Kit
seems pretty oficial to me :wink:

what they meant to say was that there is no official rom for WM5.0 for the BA. yes, WM5.0 has been officially released but mobile OSs are not like PC OSs that you can just grab an installer and plunk it in. due to the tight nature of its integration with the hardware, it is up to your hardware manufacturer to build you a rom that can work with your device.
the unofficial WM5.0 rom means that at least HTC is monkeying with the idea of putting it out there, but it will ultimately be up to the resellers (ie O2 and whatnot) to provide you with an official rom. personally, i hope HTC releases an official rom independent of the resellers.

i am no expert
But I would indeed say that thanks to all on here we will end up with a more stable version of wm5 than will end up being released by the powers that be.
The reason,
Mamaich, buzzlightyear, xdamojo, the lastone and all the others (and yes there are to many to mention, some in just smaller ways but i bet they are a great help to those who do the bulk of the work)
These guys use the devices all day everyday and know the blueangel inside and out (literaly).
Lets be honest, have any previous versions been bug free or anywhere near. Give these guys the stuff to work with and they will get there, but I am sure this is not an overnight process.
We should all take our hats off to them and for those who moan, dont bother upgrading and wait as buzz would say "too infinity and beyond"
For official releases
from all of us who have benefited
CHEERS GUYS :wink:
stay happy
magpie2000k

O2 AKU 3, when?

Does anyone know when O2 is likely, if ever, to release a AKU3 ROM? Heard some good things, and not so good things, but would welcome the upgrade.
Answers on a postcard please

Univerval is EOL so not shure we will see an official AKU3 ROM

EOL???????
What do you guys recommend then????

Nokia N95 looks pretty cool!!!

I have upgraded my exec to AKU 3.2 and it works a treat, I seem to have lost task manager but gained other apps such as usb hdd option, I've had no hick ups yet.

mark,
can you give me rough guide of how you did this?
Thanks

No further AKUs for O2 customers then...?????????

poussin69 said:
Univerval is EOL so not shure we will see an official AKU3 ROM
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Oh no, was there an official announcement I've missed?!!

EastExpert said:
Oh no, was there an official announcement I've missed?!!
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You did not miss an announcment, you just missed the obvious signs. The MDA Pro is dropped from T-Mobile's catalog, the Qtek 9000 is increasingly difficult to come by. The Universal device is around a year old. That's ancient for a PDA. It's successor has not been announced yet, but rumours are already to be heard ...
Manufacturers just rarely announce this kind of thing in order to make sure that old stocks can be sold.

MarkJL said:
I have upgraded my exec to AKU 3.2 and it works a treat, I seem to have lost task manager but gained other apps such as usb hdd option, I've had no hick ups yet.
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How do you go about connecting a Mass Storage Device to the Univesal on AKu 3.2? Do i need any special cable or something?
Keen to know, before I even upgrade to it.

So where to now..... I like the VGA, I like the keyboard and I can live with the other problems to have the first 2????

So where do we go from here. Don't know about anyone else but I like the format of the XDA EXEC ie keyboard and VGA etc and can put up with the faults...........
Anyone in the know as to what would be considered an upgrade?

omega_ said:
How do you go about connecting a Mass Storage Device to the Univesal on AKu 3.2? Do i need any special cable or something?
Keen to know, before I even upgrade to it.
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There is no way to directly connect a HDD to the Uni. It doesn't support USB hosting.
There is a topic of someone who says they have a Wi-Fi caddy connecting to the device and using it that way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280193

wait a second!
I e-mailed O2 to ask whether they are planning to release any new ROMS and got the following response:
"Thank you for your email.
At the moment we don’t have any information on whether or not a ROM version with the AKU3 will be available for the XDA Exec. We are usually advised of a new ROM for the XDA series 4-6 weeks prior to their release but we haven’t heard anything yet. As the XDA Exec hasn’t reached the end of its life cycle there should be a new ROM versions released.
If you have any further queries please contact us."
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Sounds as if the Universal isn't EOL after all. Do you think it's Microsoft holding the process up or HTC?
Mach

YEAH!
Sweet, I agree and disagree (yes and no)
Yes (agree) XDA EXEC is a year old ..... but
there is nothing like it on the market still .... No (disagree)
Is there life in the old dog yet???????????????????

mrbrightside1977 said:
Sweet, I agree and disagree (yes and no)
Yes (agree) XDA EXEC is a year old ..... but
there is nothing like it on the market still .... No (disagree)
Is there life in the old dog yet???????????????????
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so what the best thing on the market now. and dont say dell x51v. its crap

Could the XDA Flame be the replacment that we are all looking for??
"The Xda Flame encapsulates everything the O2 brand stands for - innovation and performance in a sleek, beautiful, desirable package. The Xda Flame breaks technology barriers by being the first dual processor PDA-phone, incorporating the powerful NVIDIA GoForce GPU for sublime screen graphics, movie playback, photo viewing, and gaming performance, on top of a 520MHz Intel processor chip. A large 3.6' VGA touchscreen and a host of multimedia features ensure that customers stay productive and are entertained while on the go."

Devices with Windows Mobile 6 ?

Have there any devices running Windows Mobile 6 been announced?
If not, when will be most likely the time when we see devices with Windows Mobile 6? How likely will it be that Operators like T-Mobile will supply an WM6 upgrade for the HTC Universal ?

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Have there any devices running Windows Mobile 6 been announced?
If not, when will be most likely the time when we see devices with Windows Mobile 6? How likely will it be that Operators like T-Mobile will supply an WM6 upgrade for the HTC Universal ?
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No
When Microsoft are ready to release it.
Very unlikely.

1. No.
2. Early 2008.
3. No they wont - they are cheap!

nuclear said:
3. No they wont - they are cheap!
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that goes to all the Official dudes
all that matters to them is sales
not more than that....
Customer satisfaction 0
except for ETEN...thoz guys strive to be good...

corleno said:
that goes to all the Official dudes
all that matters to them is sales
not more than that....
Customer satisfaction 0
except for ETEN...thoz guys strive to be good...
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AGREED! Eten are truly good. Although due to insufficient funding they gonna die soon

bitbonk said:
Have there any devices running Windows Mobile 6 been announced?
If not, when will be most likely the time when we see devices with Windows Mobile 6? How likely will it be that Operators like T-Mobile will supply an WM6 upgrade for the HTC Universal ?
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Someone in Singapore offering a upgrade for S50$. Definitely the crossbow is out to RTM and many have it. Until know don’t know any device which is equipped with Crossbow. Therefore to post it officially is a issue :0)
Well most of us will need to wait until the heat is away and see the post of those

Bulldog said:
Someone in Singapore offering a upgrade for S50$. Definitely the crossbow is out to RTM and many have it. Until know don’t know any device which is equipped with Crossbow. Therefore to post it officially is a issue :0)
Well most of us will need to wait until the heat is away and see the post of those
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lol i was also selling crossbow for $50.... but i gave up the idea when i found a few bugs and reported them to microsoft. Hopefully they come up with something more stable.

I think you are a liar, nuclear. :-(

r3bel said:
I think you are a liar, nuclear. :-(
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Call me a liar all you want. All i can do is post is screenshots of my device running crossbow. Actually I already sent screenshots of my device running Crossbow to a few people rebel. And I dont think i will install it again on my device. Its unstable and it ruined my SD card ....
Your attempt of Rebellion is Futile!

I believe ou nuclear cause Xbow is RTM since November
can you post a link or send me a link in PM , I'd like to try Xbow on universal
Cheers

I would like to try Crossbow tooo. Post the link or up the screenshot from uni, if you are not lier !

This has been said MANY times now.
People can't post links to Crossbow because the only people *supposed* to have it are OEM channel partners, and authorised developers.
The people that might have it other than these have obtained it from friends or colleagues, and do not want to get into trouble.
This was the same when WM5 came out, WM2003se, and WM2003.
If it gets posted here, the forum will get threatened with legal action, the same as when someone uploaded WM5 before it's release last year.
What we do here bends the rules, and Microsoft tollerate us because we provide support and a sense of community that the platform would miss quite badly if we were shut down.
Please don't keep forcing this people, you will get it when the time is right, just as we did with every other OS.
Some devices will get it, some won't. Just like WM5. Be patient.

nuclear said:
2. Early 2008.
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early 2007
Some people already have WM6 for universal and some other devices

Correct. I heard from some people, unfortunately it is without Video Calling and a number of bugs....
I believe when the time is right (tolerable bugs), it will be released. At the moment, please all just wait.
Cheers,

chris_khho said:
Correct. I heard from some people, unfortunately it is without Video Calling and a number of bugs....
I believe when the time is right (tolerable bugs), it will be released. At the moment, please all just wait.
Cheers,
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Ya ,you are right , no Video calling but had internet calling , they had a lot of bugs too , hope they can fix it and let us get this new OS for 2007 new year gift

mwang said:
Ya ,you are right , no Video calling but had internet calling , they had a lot of bugs too , hope they can fix it and let us get this new OS for 2007 new year gift
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Ye that would be good. I would like to discuss the bugs on this thing. Too many bugs as i see. Some of the noticed bugs.
1. WiFi can only be activated by going into start->settings or via the comm center. It cannot be activated/deactivated from the taskbar.
2. My 4GB and 8GB cards both got their MBR damaged.
3. Windows media player 10 usually hangs up or skips tracks on the SD card.
(SD card problem mostly)
These are the 3 bugs that i notice the most and ofcourse cant forget the video calling. It has MS Voice command installed on it which is a good thing. Also Smart dialing works in my crossbow ROM.

poussin69 said:
I believe ou nuclear cause Xbow is RTM since November
can you post a link or send me a link in PM , I'd like to try Xbow on universal
Cheers
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he "crossbow" is not RTM , no RTM at all

nuclear said:
Ye that would be good. I would like to discuss the bugs on this thing. Too many bugs as i see. Some of the noticed bugs.
1. WiFi can only be activated by going into start->settings or via the comm center. It cannot be activated/deactivated from the taskbar.
2. My 4GB and 8GB cards both got their MBR damaged.
3. Windows media player 10 usually hangs up or skips tracks on the SD card.
(SD card problem mostly)
These are the 3 bugs that i notice the most and ofcourse cant forget the video calling. It has MS Voice command installed on it which is a good thing. Also Smart dialing works in my crossbow ROM.
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Nuclear,
Discussing features or supposed bugs for an unreleased product most likely run on an old unsupported device is akin to posting screen shots. It is advised that you avoid this on this or any board.

Dopod Releasing WinMo6 for 838Pro in 2 MONTHS :D:D:D

Official email from dopod
Hi Chris,
Yes, I was informed that we will be releasing WM6 for the 838pro in about 4 weeks time. This however is test ROM code – we will need to get it tested by Mobile Operators. Testing could take upto another 4 weeks time. Dopod expects to release WM6 for 838pro in about 2 months time from now. The WM6 will have all the fixes built into the new AKU.
Thanks.
Kind regards,
Romiyaz Romino Wahab
Customer Service Engineer
Dopod International (Australia New Zealand) Pty Ltd
ABN 48 119 011 639
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walshieau said:
Official email from dopod
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Wish I-Mate would do the same

Well HTC here in Italy didn't yet realesed a rom update for the TyTN (WM5!!)....aaahhhhaaah

This is good news. Im happy playing around with my Imate, but my employer gives senior managers company dopods... with any luck, a WM6 upgrade will force our IT folk to deploy Activesync 4.5 across the work computers, meaning i can go to WM6 (currently stuck on aku3.3 wm5 because cant sync WM6 on work pc's with activesync 4.1)

mshagg said:
This is good news. Im happy playing around with my Imate, but my employer gives senior managers company dopods... with any luck, a WM6 upgrade will force our IT folk to deploy Activesync 4.5 across the work computers, meaning i can go to WM6 (currently stuck on aku3.3 wm5 because cant sync WM6 on work pc's with activesync 4.1)
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Ask your IT ppl to install activesync 4.5 for you.

walshieau said:
Official email from dopod [...]
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Very nice! Looking forward to cooked WM6 ROMs based on officially released ones...

trashcan said:
Ask your IT ppl to install activesync 4.5 for you.
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They're not keen on deploying it to 500 odd machines for one user at the moment (especially me, i am but a mere pleb here)... especially considering i think AS4.5 is still labelled as beta. But if a few senior execs start making similar requests, guarantee it'll be deployed immediately.

mshagg said:
They're not keen on deploying it to 500 odd machines for one user at the moment (especially me, i am but a mere pleb here)... especially considering i think AS4.5 is still labelled as beta. But if a few senior execs start making similar requests, guarantee it'll be deployed immediately.
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I think trashcan meant an individual install, not a deployment. And AS4.5 is no longer beta: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/activesync/activesync45.mspx

Trancecoder said:
I think trashcan meant an individual install, not a deployment. And AS4.5 is no longer beta: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/activesync/activesync45.mspx
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Ah, good news about AS4.5!!
Thing with my employer is... well... its a commonwealth government agency (i believe the term in your neck of the woods would be "federal" not commonwealth) and as such, there's a lot of beaurocracy and a lot of nay-sayers.
Basically someone at my level has little/no chance of getting a specialised item of software installed

thanx walshieau, good news !

Official ROM update confirmed

HTC norway was interviewed today at www.amobil.no, and the following question was raised from one of the readers, with the following reply.
Question:
Reader said:
(...) Second of all: Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7.0; will it be possible to update Diamond, Pro and HD and/or other models with the new versions of WM?
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HTC Representative said:
There'll be a ROM-update for Diamond and Touch Pro in january , where we got a new MSFT release for WM6.1 and improved TouchFlo3d."
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Source (norwegian)
At least that confirms the 2.0 version we've seen? And the release date Hurray!

wew
that's grate news

TFLo3d
It's not as responsive as I see it in the youtube vids.
Seems to run flawlessly.
I notice a real slow down when I import contacts. I have quite a few.

and what is with the new versions of WM?

To the question : "WM6.5 or WM7 on diamond ?", the answer is "YEEES ! you will have WM6.1++ !!!"
I think it means we won't have them from HTC, as they probably reserve it for a brand new phone they'll try to sell us...
But XDA developpers are the bests, so i'm sure we can expect them to cook a nice WM7 Rom as soon as it will be available...

Let's hope WM7 will be able to run on our Diamonds. Can't wait till the release!

Not too sound too negative, but I mean WM6 kills the diamond - it makes it choke (cooked ROM's or not).
Hopefully that won't be the case for WM7. Because up to this point, I'm rooting Android all the way

This is pure speculation from all of us, since we're talking about an unreleased product. That said, Windows 7 beta seems a lot snappier than Vista (I know - doesn't say much) and slightly faster than XP. So, maybe WM7 will run faster than 6.1?

Some people have mentioned WM7, I highly doubt HTC will release 6.5 for the Diam/Raph/BlackS, never mind 7.
Good thing we have xda-devs, though I suspect that 7 will require new and diff. hardware in phones, such as multitouch.

how reliable is the news?
yea wm really sucks.. ms is really poor at innovation..
diamond doesnt have multi touch?
anyway been waiting for a new official rom for a damn long time.. was tempted to flash to a cooked rom.. so i guess can wait till jan for now to see what they offer..
Hopefully they resolve issues like memory leak.. and learn from the forums what the users really expect of the diamond and tf3d..

LOL when it be wm7 upgrade you ll have another **** phone from htc so what are you solving here i consider that due to ms is poor bastard* wm7 will be at 2010...just look to articles and news...

detroix said:
how reliable is the news?
(...)
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The guy interviewed is:
"Selskapets produktsjef for de nordiske og baltiske markedene, Christer Högström" ==> "HTC's Chief of Products for the nordic and baltic markets, Christer Högström"
So probably as reliable as it gets before the actual download is available.
Edit:
HTC actually got a bunch of questions regarding WM6.5 on current models, to sum up they're answers:
HTC will have to pay an upgrade license per device for 6.1 to 6.5, the details regarding this is not all worked out yet, so he couldn't answer if there would be released official 6.5 updates and if it would be free or a upgrade fee involved.
I suppose most/many of the hardcore users would be interested in upgrading if the fee vs gains is the right...

Don't hold your breath!
If HTC release an official 6.5 ROM upgrade for the Diamond, I will video myself eating my device and post it on YouTube for all to see! New OS means sales of NEW devices.... this makes good sense for businesses. Why offer an upgrade for a device someone has already bought when they can sell you a nice new device with the latest OS installed?
Thank goodness for XDA Developers, that's what I say! We will have our upgrade one way or another!

grahamkdt said:
If HTC release an official 6.5 ROM upgrade for the Diamond, I will video myself eating my device and post it on YouTube for all to see! New OS means sales of NEW devices.... this makes good sense for businesses. Why offer an upgrade for a device someone has already bought when they can sell you a nice new device with the latest OS installed?
Thank goodness for XDA Developers, that's what I say! We will have our upgrade one way or another!
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Tottaly agree. (Even though i wouldn't mind seeing Diamond beeing eaten )

Ooops!
Jura_ZG said:
Tottaly agree. (Even though i wouldn't mind seeing Diamond beeing eaten )
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... yes, I might live to regret putting that in print!

will it happen????????
i don't think so....it will be xda members that will make it happen....
not the phone operators....they want you to buy a new phone and sign up again for 12 months +....well thats what i think any how

Jura_ZG said:
Tottaly agree. (Even though i wouldn't mind seeing Diamond beeing eaten )
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I totally agree too. The same happened for my old Trinity (no wm 6.1 version was released by HTC but very good cook version from xda people )

jojordy said:
I totally agree too. The same happened for my old Trinity (no wm 6.1 version was released by HTC but very good cook version from xda people )
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i miss my trinity.....great phone

liamhere said:
i miss my trinity.....great phone
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I confirm! I sell it to a friend but in my opinion for more things is much better than my new diamond ... (only few ram)

Making an upgrade available for some small fee wouldn't be that bad. Bussinesswise I understand your viewpoints but on the other hand, I buy my phone for 500EUR ($800 or something) I think for that price I can get some service. If I get bad service I wouldn't stay with HTC, but frequent updates will make me buy another one (or your operator will buy another one for you with ur contract), if that's 500EUR every 2 years I think they can be really happy.