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PDA2K - Car Kit / In-Built GPS Comms

Hi All,
I have a i-Mate PDA2K-EVDO with the following specs:
ROM:2.03.00 WWE
Radio: HA01_140
Ex ROM: 2.03.11 WWE
Currently with eXpansys FSE9 Car Kit (Includes integrated GPS reciever) URL"http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=124312", with ALK (Travroute) CoPilot Live 5 for PPC.
The issue that I am having is that when the phone is docked in the car-kit all call functions work fine (except for volume being a little low, but that may be spk position), however I cannot get the GPS software to communicate with the reciever. I am not sure whether the com-port that is used to communicate with the reciever is only being half-opened (or not remaining open).
I have tried modifying the selected COM settings and am currently using (COM 1, 4800) which appears to have some communication with the device. When the unit first is powered-up the GPS recieving light is on (steady) and when GPS location is established the light starts flashing. I have installed GPSInfo (for WM5) and am able to scan ports to establish COM1, 4800 as the connected port. When I then press the "Cold Start" button the GPS reciever resets, and then goes through the re-establishment phase, but no GPS data is being parsed.
To top things off, I did manage to get the CoPilot software to work for all about 5 mins. So I am thinking that this may be a port issue (or something with the reciever).
Can anyone provide some help with the following:
1 - A utility that can check com port activity, and see what is happening at this level.
2 - Some insight as to what other programs may use the same ports as COM1 - As I believe that it is serially emulated as a COM.
3 - Any other insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

pro-integrator said:
Hi All,
I have a i-Mate PDA2K-EVDO with the following specs:
ROM:2.03.00 WWE
Radio: HA01_140
Ex ROM: 2.03.11 WWE
Currently with eXpansys FSE9 Car Kit (Includes integrated GPS reciever) URL"http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=124312", with ALK (Travroute) CoPilot Live 5 for PPC.
The issue that I am having is that when the phone is docked in the car-kit all call functions work fine (except for volume being a little low, but that may be spk position), however I cannot get the GPS software to communicate with the reciever. I am not sure whether the com-port that is used to communicate with the reciever is only being half-opened (or not remaining open).
I have tried modifying the selected COM settings and am currently using (COM 1, 4800) which appears to have some communication with the device. When the unit first is powered-up the GPS recieving light is on (steady) and when GPS location is established the light starts flashing. I have installed GPSInfo (for WM5) and am able to scan ports to establish COM1, 4800 as the connected port. When I then press the "Cold Start" button the GPS reciever resets, and then goes through the re-establishment phase, but no GPS data is being parsed.
To top things off, I did manage to get the CoPilot software to work for all about 5 mins. So I am thinking that this may be a port issue (or something with the reciever).
Can anyone provide some help with the following:
1 - A utility that can check com port activity, and see what is happening at this level.
2 - Some insight as to what other programs may use the same ports as COM1 - As I believe that it is serially emulated as a COM.
3 - Any other insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi there,
Not too sure if this'll help but with TomTom 5, you need to disable incoming beams on the Start\Settings\Connections\Beam to enable the Hard-Wired GPS to be read..
Try it and let us know the outcome..
Cheers!

Still No Good
Hey Mr Philly,
No luck with the Beam Settings. I even went as fas as Hard Resetting the device :x as Active Sync to Exchange stopped working this morning....
Any other ideas?
Thanks again for your response.
Paul.[/quote]

Paul, you mentioned specificaly that you loaded GPS Info (for WM5) is this the OS you have on the device? if so the GPS applet in the control panel / connections tab might need playing with - BTW I should have mentioned as its a wired GPS unit leave the Receive all beams OFF on this device - Mike

Interesting Point
Hi Mike,
Thanks for joining in on this thread.
I have disabled beams on the device.
THe GPSInfo app loaded was WM5 although I only have WM2003 SE. I have searched through multiple ng's to find a 2K3SE version, but all seem to point to the new version.
This was also the file provided my the distributor of the car-kit & cradle. The GPS unit is integrated into the Car Kit, so that is what i refer to as hard-wired (opposed to GPS).
As for the applet, I do not have a GPS applet in the connections section :?:
Can you provide any more informationon this point.
Thanks again,
Paul.

Disregard it then, I thought you might have loaded up a 2005 OS by chance , this has no bearing on the problem on your device - more thinking time required - Mike

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pro-integrator said:
Hey Mr Philly,
No luck with the Beam Settings. I even went as fas as Hard Resetting the device :x as Active Sync to Exchange stopped working this morning....
Any other ideas?
Thanks again for your response.
Paul.
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Hi Paul..
Apologies.. I also need more thinking time.. :lol:
If I think of anything else, I'll get back to you..

GPS Help Please!!

Hi,
Just bought a new Nokia LD-1W GPS and trying to connect via bluetooth.
How do I pair the two devices and how do I create a incoming/outgoing com port to work with tomtom.
I've searched the forum & found nothing:-(
Please can Someone post a step by step process please as it's all confusing.
Anyones help will be gratefully appreciated.
Yohanson

Are you using this with the phone on WM2003SE or WM2005? - then I should be able to assist - Mike

Thanks for replying so fast. I'm using it on WM2003SE.
Thanks

Turn on Bluetooth on the Phone, Turn on the GPS unit.
Go to Bluetooth Manager.
Press Bluetooth symbol on the bottom task bar.
Scroll to the bottom of Bluetooth Connection Wizard.
Select Explore a Bluetooth Device.
after a while you GPS unit should become visable, select it.
On the next page select SPP Slave, then press Next followed by Finish.
On the Bluetooth My Shortcutspage (which sould show automatically at this point) Tap & Hold the GPS icon, from the pop-up select connect. You should get two small green arrows on the GPS icon showing it is connected.
All Done, all you are left with is to configure TomTom, run it up then go to prefferences/ GPS page, select "Other cabled NMEA device" (yes I know its a BT unit but trust me), set the Baud rate (check for this with the supplied info from the manufacturer, or web site, then on the last page go for outgoing Bluetooth comm port 6 (It helps if you put it in landscape mode for this bit as you can see the port numbers this way) - tke it all outside and wait for upto 30 mins for a lock, after this it should be far faster. Sorry for the edit, but didn't add the TomTom bit in first time!!
Mike

If you want any further tips on configuring your TomTom, adding speed cameras, voices etc. try www.pocketgps.co.uk that is set-up for GPS rather than phones (I use both this site for the XDA technical bits) and the other for GPS/ TomTom - Mike

Thanks mike for your thorough step by step guide, but my main problem is making a new bluetooth com port so tomtom can see it in the GPS settings.
Do you know how to access them in bluetooth setting to change outgoing and incoming ports?
I'm lost:-(

At which point following the above set-up does it not offer the selection I have stated to take, I know this works with my BA as deleted the GPS unit and started from scratch just to make sure? - Mike

Bluetooth GPS Problems?

Hi all,
The problem most of us experience is that microsoft removed the function of configuring com ports in their Pocket PC Version 4 build.
I have a program that can sort out the com port problems between the bluetooth and gps software.
I have included the program as an attachment, just unzip it into your PC, make sure you reboot your PDA, sync your PDA to the PC and run setup.
Problems solved.
Cheers,
John

i thought it was only the automatic comport handleing that was removed so you just have to manually set a com port it 2 second of a job

XDA comports
It seems that Microsoft left out our ability to configure com ports altogether. If you try and do a manual configuration with the GPS software it will drive you crazy. I have had so many emails at my hotmail account from people with problems that I have sent this program to and it has fixed thier problem. That is why I decided to put it up here.
Cheers,
John

Hi,
I have downloaded and installed the file to my PDA
What else do i have to do?
The read me file is in a different language and i cant read
Thanks
CoZZa

Bluetooth GPS problem
I have updated the zip file to include a new readme file.
Please follow the instructions.
Unzip file to PC
Reboot PDA.
Sync PDA to PC.
Run Setup.exe
Problem should be fixed, if not reinstall GPS software.
Cheers,
John

Hi John,
Thanks for that.
I tried it and it doesnt appear to have fixed it.
I installed the patch rebooted phone, removed TomTom6 and reinstalled and still cant connect to bluetooth headset, uninstall TomTom6 put on TomTom5 and works, back to 6 still no go.
Any other suggestions?
Cheers

Hi Cozza,
Sorry you are still having a problem, only thing I can suggest is to see if anyone else has a similar problem with TomTom 6, if so you may have to contact them direct and ask for technical assistance.
Just had another thought, could Tom Tom 6 be taking over the port assigned to the headset by default, if so maybe installing the headset after TomTom 6 might work???
Cheers,
John

Hi John,
Yep i have tried that.
Have formatted the phone several times both installing the Bluetooth Car Kit before and after TomTom 6 and still no luck.
TomTom 5 works fine but as soon as updated to TomTom6 Car Kit wont connect, it finds it but just 'connection failed'.
Remove TomTom6 and thinks work OK.
Weird....

Hmmm - What should be different?
I've installed this application, but I still don't see anyway to change either:
1. which port the bluetooth app assigns to the connection (currently port 7)
2. the selection of ports available from TomTom 5.21 to make a connection.
Like everyone else, I've gone through all the port options in TomTom, and it still doesn't connect to the GPS. Other GPS software (everything else I've ever tried - a LOT of software) has no problem connecting to my GPS, so this is obviously a TomTom problem.
Thanks!
Jason Silver

I made Headway!
I finally found something to help!!
http://www.tomtom.com/support/category.php?ID=3&Language=1&FID=3236
The above is a step-by-step guide. The key for my HP6325 (63xx series) was to not connect to BlueTooth, but "Other NMEA GPS." After that, the port connection through Bluetooth worked.
Yeah!
Jason

Detecting GPS on xda mini
Hi guys..
i'm a newbie.
have installed smartST on my xda2 mini with a navman 4110.
i can't seem to get my gps to talk to my xda.
the bluebooth picks up nothing. ie there is no device on the listing.
any ideas?
thx

bluetooth GPS
Hello,
I have included the program as an attachment, just unzip it into your PC, make sure you reboot your PDA, sync your PDA to the PC and run setup.
Problems solved.
Cheers,
John

I'm going mad
Hi all, I'm new to all this so please be patient
I've tried John's quick fix and it didn't work for me
It was all working fine up to last week when my sim card packed up, since I've put the new one in it can't find my GPS.
Can anybody please help, before I sling it out the window.
I have a XDA EX and a Holux gps, whit TomTom 5

Thanks bigbird49
hi
just a quickie to say thank you for this. I have tried adding ports, upgrading rom, using tomtom 6 & 5 to no avail. now pleased to say its working thanks to you and your programme.

Wizard GPS settings after GPS in phone is unlocked
I own a T-Mobile MDA (Wizard) with the 3-0-0 upgraded ROM and need the GPS settings after GPS in phone is unlocked. Anyone know how to do this?

mda compact III and tom tom

Hi
I notice that t-mobile in the uk are offering the compact III with copilot. Has anyone installed tomtom 6 on it? does it work ok?
Also i read somewhere that the co-pilot software bundle is being offered with free traffic alerts? Any truth in that? Not seen anything on the website about it.

TomTom 6 works fine

tomtom or CoPilot
cactusbob have you tried tried and tested this?
are there any problems.
also this is to anyone. which software is better tomtom or CoPilot because t-mobile UK now has a package where they are giving you CoPilot as well. just wanted to know which ppl thought was better and why
thanks

Yes tried and tested TomTom6. Went on a 100 mile roundtrip on Friday without any problems at all. The GPS reception is excellent. I had the phone down in my centre console and it worked great.
Haven't tried CoPilot but TT works well.

yeah, that was my second question. The co pilot package is meant to be offering free traffic alerts, though i havent read anything on the website. Anyone confirm?

If there is free traffic info available, maybe the copilot is a better option than tomtom. I think traffic alerts are a subscription service with tomtom.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news2810.html
Available with CoPilot® Live 6 satellite navigation*, the MDA Compact III makes dedicated navigation systems redundant, with turn-by-turn voice instructions, detailed street mapping and powerful route calculation for navigation in-car or on foot. With its integrated jog wheel and touch screen, the device makes it easy to enter a destination and follow the comprehensive door-to-door directions. Web’n’walk customers will be able to take advantage of free real-time traffic alerts and avoidance, delivered directly into CoPilot via the T-Mobile GPRS network.

cactusbob i assume you were using the in-built gps? right?
ansaar99, well pointed. that would a benefit if you have web'n'walk. which i am planning to get as well anyway. so should be gd idea to get live traffic alerts init.

Co-Pilot is an excellent piece of kit, not as intuitive and simple as Tom Tom but certainly worth the inclusive price.
The traffic alerts are free for the first two years and instructions for how to set them up are included in the box.
The one benefit Co-Pilot has it that from personal experience the maps are slightly more up to date... plus it's cheap.
Make sure you get web n walk though, it saves a ton on those traffic GPRS charges.

treblechance said:
Make sure you get web n walk though, it saves a ton on those traffic GPRS charges.
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when you say saves on the traffic GPRS. what do you mean about that?
sorry if asking a silly question. just that i never had a PDA and Sat Nav software.
thanks

In order to get the latest Traffic information the Phone will connect to the co-pilot live server over GPRS. This is the only information you will get over GPRS when using Co-Pilot.
This is charged at 7.50 a mb without web n walk and if you are using will easily rack up 1mb of data usage over a month. With web n walk you pay 7.50 for unlimited data including the co-pilot live data.

ahhh rite yes that is good. i def getting this phone now
thanks everyone

My Mda Compact 3 With Tom Tom6
cactusbob said:
TomTom 6 works fine
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Hi
I am new to this forum,
I have recently purchsed a MC3 and have installed TT6, but for some reason i cannot pick up the internal GPS receiver,
Can you plese help me?
i have made sure that i have downloaded the quick GPS, and have also selected the internal GPS receiver as degault,
also selected com 4 in my gps setting on the actual device
any ideas???
regards
Azhar

Leave the GPS applet alone, put it back to where it was when you got the device:
GPS Program Port should be COM4
GPS Hardware Port should be COM0
Baud Rate 9600
Now in tomtom start the application and select other Change Prefences/ Show GPS Status - configure Other NMEA GPS receiver, Baud rate 9600 and Com 4 - now take the unit outside and wait for a few mins to get a signal lock - Mike

Dash W/ Google Maps and Bluetooth GPS reciever?

I have a T-mobile Dash and i installed the new Google maps software for smartphones. and picked up a Cellink BTG-7000 bluetooth gps reciever.
I can't get google maps to detect the bluetooth gps
i paired the device and created a outgoing com port to the gps ( says BTG-7000 (com 7)
- ive tried un checking secure connection
- also created an incoming port but does not have gps reciever name in connection...
the google maps software says i have to goto the start - settings - GPS
but i do not have such an option.
Anyone have any ideas?
dave

Hmmm, I am not sure either. I just tried to get it to recognise my bluetooth gps device. Surely someone knows what is going on.

Same issue here
I am having the same issue with my Dash/Bluetooth GPS with Google Maps. There is a FAQ (http://www.google.com/gmm/gmmfaq.html?platform=winm-SmartPhone-T-Mobile+Dash/web#4) that refers to a "Settings->System->GPS" control panel applet that does not exist.

I have the same problem. I think the issue has to do with the initialization of the BT GPS unit and have WM see it first (as GPS) rather than as a BT device that it has paired with. The GPS applet would take care of it by sending it cold boot parameters etc.
Alternatively, you can download a smartphone version of the applet from the GPS manufacturer and run that before running Google Maps. I am not sure but it might fix the problem.
Edit: I wonder if the HTC S620 Variant has the GPS applet in its ROM? If it does, perhaps someone can extract the cab file and share it with the community. That might fix our GPS woes...

I'm running the s620 ROM. There is no GPS applet that I see...

there is no gps

Darn..that sucks.

the settings they tell you to go look at only exist in the PPC version.

Was able to use a BT GPS device to work with Windows LIVE search ( Google Mobile Maps rival )
If GMM can be forced to use a particular comm port it should also work .. anyone ?
HTC S620 phone BTW.

Figured it out !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293018

Umm, same thing I wrote in the other thread:
Folks, is there a reason you guys are so desperate to use GMM? Especially knowing your GPS doesn't work natively without hacks?
Just use Windows Live Search Mobile? IMO, LIGHT YEARS ahead of GMM in terms of usability and fit and finish. AND it'll find your GPS both on GPSID (what GMM uses) as well as COM ports. No hacks. Simple. Straightforward. Elegant.
http://wls.live.com from your mobile phone. Click the Windows Mobile client.

I've played with both and I've found GMM to be much more one handable. Now when I say that I know WLS is one handable but things go slow. You can do things quick with GMM one handed.
Also GMM adds a features that WLS doesn't. One example is that if you go to a contact in your contact list it gives you the option to 'Locate on Google Maps' and it will use the address in the contact information to locate the contact on Google Maps. And I might be wrong but isn't Microsofts Satelite (Not Road Map) imagery older then googles?

GMM cleaner and smaller but lacking big feature
GMM also seems to use much less memory. Great footprint compared to WLS which slows the whole phone down. When I turn off WLS I also have to restart most of the time because the phone can't recoop some of that memory. The one thing I don't like about GMM is that when using the directions feature with GPS, you can only look at your route, or follow your track - not both at the same time like WLS. (IE right before every turn you get a popup with which way to go.) It's much more manual with GMM.