Just got my O2 Orbit yesterday. An awesome piece of kit. It's impossible to see just how small it is in photos somehow. Really nice and so far it's performed great. I happen to find all of the things others have complained about to be plusses (the roller and wheel, the location of the MicroSD card), so it's ideal for me, really ideal. Glad I waited for the Orbit rather than the P3300 too, even though I'd rather give my money direct to HTC! It's much nicer looking.
Anyhow, my question is that I expected GPS on/off to be on the Comm Manager screen but it isn't. Am I right in guessing that what turns the GPS on and off is whether something has COM4 open and listening? So as soon as an app closes COM4, it starts to lose location? It might be nice if there were some programmable delay post-close where it keeps monitoring in case something else opens COM4 again a few minutes later.
I think this is because keeping a fresh GPS signal is severe on the battery life.
I have a BT gps receiver which works around 20 hours on a default nokia battery. But ofcourse the Artemis is a whole pocket/phone which draws its power from a 1200mah battery.
All GPS receivers need to get a fix at the start, this takes from 30 sec. up to 2 min.
It could be when disconnecting it saves the GPS positions so on another connection it can find the satelites faster. But I don't really know how the technical part works and if this is true.
I don't know how exactly it happens programmatically, but what I know for sure is that it is turned on/off by TomTom. As long as TomTom is working, the receiver is working, too.
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been new to this phone (O2 orbit), is the GPS on all the time or can you monitor or turn it off. Try some GPS software, but seems to take along time. Wait for memory card so I put on tomtom and i-go. hope they do better.
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The GPS is activated automaticaly by software as it's required, indicated by the flashing orange LED.
The first time to fix is always slow due to the GPS receiver localising, subsequent locks should be quicker to achieve. The process can be speeded up more by using the QuickGPS application that comes with this device.
For me, time to achieve a full 3d lock is about 30 seconds.
Has anyone tested how long the battery lasts when using GPS?
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Has anyone tested how long the battery lasts when using GPS?
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I can't imagine any reason to just run the GPS.. What context? Car navigation? GPS Tracking? What?
The Tilt used about 120mA just for the GPS, I suspect the TP2 would be very close to that.
As a handheld GPS for walking.
I use a program called Memory Map which has terrain maps and plots routes, waypoints etc.
The GPS would need to be on all the time, but the screen could be off and just turned on when I need to glance at the route/map
I used to get just under 2 hours from my Diamond and about 2 1/2 hours from my m700 - so I had to carry some external batteries
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As a handheld GPS for walking.
I use a program called Memory Map which has terrain maps and plots routes, waypoints etc.
The GPS would need to be on all the time, but the screen could be off and just turned on when I need to glance at the route/map
I used to get just under 2 hours from my Diamond and about 2 1/2 hours from my m700 - so I had to carry some external batteries
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For thst sort of usage, I'd honestly suggest getting a bluetooth GPS unit. Does MUCH better under cover (trees, urban 'trees', etc) and takes a huge load off of the device.
I've gone on 3-4 hour hikes using TrackMe, which sounds like a similar program, and was only down 20% on battery. That'd get me WAY more battery life than my legs had in 'em.
Good luck, I'll check out Memory Map. I'm a geogeek, I collect all sorts of GPS related software.
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I have a question regarding GPS. Once you've started using GPS, do you have to manually turn it off (like WiFi or BlueTooth) or does it cycle off automatically?
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I have a question regarding GPS. Once you've started using GPS, do you have to manually turn it off (like WiFi or BlueTooth) or does it cycle off automatically?
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it will turn off automatically when you exit the program
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For thst sort of usage, I'd honestly suggest getting a bluetooth GPS unit. Does MUCH better under cover (trees, urban 'trees', etc) and takes a huge load off of the device.
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Wouldn't bluetooth communication also drain the power?
Which would be worse - the BT or the GPS working?
TP2 GPS battery usage
My TP2 lasted 2.5 hours using Memory-Map in full mapping mode, where I had to plot map I created on PC.
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Wouldn't bluetooth communication also drain the power?
Which would be worse - the BT or the GPS working?
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erm... Perhaps not you, but I answered this very question somewhere else already.. anyway...
Bluetooth is very low power. And obviously if I'm saying the GPS uses hordes of power and to use a Bluetooth device because of power, the internal GPS is worse (much worse). How much worse? Same workload, same software, BT vs internal GPS on the Kaiser (same GPS as TP2) was a difference of 100mAh. 8.3% more battery drain per hour.
Bluetooth GPS also has other advantages...
Faster fix
More accurate
More sensitive
More options (in terms of which GPS you get and what features IT has)
Disadvantages
One more small thing to carry around
In terms of features, I keep saying I'm going to upgrade my BT GPS to the Columbus V900 (or other like models). It'll act like a normal BT GPS, or self-logger to a memory card, even a 'stealth' mode which logs a point every N minutes which you could effectively let run for a week without running out of battery and years before filling a 1G memory card.. Also you can attach voice notes to a coordinate, or 'mark' a spot with a button push, both of which you could refer to later by viewing the resulting data in Google Earth or other means.
Hope someone on here can help. I use a topo map software called "Memory Map" when i go out walking, hiking. While my TP2 was running 6.1 the app worked fine. However, since i put 6.5 (Energy Rom) onto the phone, i've run into a problem.
As long as the screen is turned on, the gps is working and tracking just fine. But as soon as the screen is turned off, or goes to ''standby', the GPS also seems to go to sleep. I turn the screen back on, and after a couple of seconds, the GPS also kicks back in and starts tracking again.
99% certain its a 6.5 issue. Memory map has worked fine for the last 2 years on my old beater QTEK 9100, and was working on the TP2 when it was 6.1. By 'working', i mean i could fire up the app, put the phone in my pocket, whip it out 1/2 hour later and the map would show where i had walked and where i was now.
I don't have that now. If i pull the phone out and turn on the screen, the 'track' jumps from where i last had the screen on to where i am now. As i said, the GPS seems to have to gone to sleep with the screen.
Any ideas, settings i might need to look for?
Thanks.
Try gpstweaker, a gps power management utility, or marathon, a gps tracker with power management capabilities.
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Try gpstweaker, a gps power management utility, or marathon, a gps tracker with power management capabilities.
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Thanks, i'll look at those.
I am losing my mind with my GPS. I have had my TP2 since last August and I have never been able to find a solution to the horrible GPS quality. I have tried matching up the ports, changing the ports, different software, hard-resets, I have installed the hotfix, I have called HTC, but things are still terrible. The only thing that ever cause an improvement was manually choosing the ports and such, however the improvement was only slight.
I have used GPS on Google Maps on the iPhone under the same provider (Optus in Australia) and the moment I opened the program there was always a GPS lock, not once did I ever have to wait or get it ready, but on my TP2 using Google Maps (or any other application), sometimes I am forced to wait minutes before getting a signal, if at all. I have searched and searched for a resolution but im not finding any. I just don't understand what I paid top dollar for, I chose the TP2 over the Xperia for it's GPS capabilities, but its hardly capable. I feel as if I am out of options, i've had it for too long to get my money back; I would really appreciate your thoughts on this?
I use iGuidance2009 and have no problems, though I do update quickGPS regularly. Google Maps I dont know about as I dont use it.
This has been a problem ever since the Touch Pro. My old Kaiser never had these horrible GPS issues, Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 do.
What I have found to work well is to toggle the phone in the Comm manager when GPS is not working correctly.
Also, if you can get AGPS to work correctly, that does wonders for GPS lock time speeds! It would take minutes before, but once AGPS is set to work correctly, I can get a lock in 10 seconds! You have to go into the registry and make sure AGPS is set to use the right data connection.
This only improves acquisition times, it does not reduce the lag which was introduced in the original Touch Pro.
Google maps is probably the worst test app for speed. I use TomTom and iGo on Juicy R5 now, default rom before, and both have no lag. Google maps lags as much as 30 seconds, Garmin and also a few free gps apps I tried lagged 10-15 secs. So this is really, really app dependent. Don't know why.
As for lock speed, agps is a must. If QuickGPS/SEASGEE isn't working then you get the same lock speeds that you would get on old, old car gps systems (up to 5 mins to get a lock).
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This has been a problem ever since the Touch Pro. My old Kaiser never had these horrible GPS issues, Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 do.
What I have found to work well is to toggle the phone in the Comm manager when GPS is not working correctly.
Also, if you can get AGPS to work correctly, that does wonders for GPS lock time speeds! It would take minutes before, but once AGPS is set to work correctly, I can get a lock in 10 seconds! You have to go into the registry and make sure AGPS is set to use the right data connection.
This only improves acquisition times, it does not reduce the lag which was introduced in the original Touch Pro.
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It's just you with such serious problems, maybe your phone has problems..
AGPS is key to getting a fast lock. That's where you should be focused.
Some registry tweaks may improve your fix. It rocks for me and others owners, but not sure for every body.
take a look there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523676
and there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524655
It could be a good beginning ;-)
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It's just you with such serious problems, maybe your phone has problems..
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No, its not. Everyone has position lag. It isn't unbearable, but it is pretty annoying. You take an exit on a highway and it takes about 3 seconds to realize you took it sometimes. What is really weird is it keeps going on one road while the arrow turns in the direction you are headed until it finally places you on the correct road. That part may be due to TomTom though, but I'm not sure.
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You take an exit on a highway and it takes about 3 seconds to realize you took it sometimes. What is really weird is it keeps going on one road while the arrow turns in the direction you are headed until it finally places you on the correct road. That part may be due to TomTom though, but I'm not sure.
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As per my personal experience, this is due to internal GPS data filtering by WM, so tweaks recalled by woaloo (I mean reducing of WM's GPS-related data buffer sizes) can help here.
Be careful however with it as too low values will drives GPS to become "nervous" - your position will become unstable, starting to jump randomly with a radius of few hundreds meters.
Another reason of the lag is (most likely) related to the navi software one uses. I use iGO8 and there are for sure settings moderating position behavior from pretty quick (but unstable) to rather slow but noticeable more stable. I personally prefer this last one.
To the original poster, have you tried running a program like VisualGPS? If so, how much signal strength is it showing for the satellites? I see as high as 39 when indoors. I get quick and accurate locks and I am very happy with the GPS performance. I have to believe that you have a hardware problem.
As for the thread drift on the few seconds delay, yes, that is there, but not a big issue.
Personal experience with the GPS... initially could never get it to connect, basically because every time i tried i was inside behind venitian blinds..... never use GPS before so my bad.
Walked outside and it was great. About 10 secs or less to lock, the lag is only a couple of seconds, no more than 5 secs. Added the tweeks and it was improved slightly. The accuracy was within 5 meters or less (used the property boundries in google maps to verify).
Moving at high speed it was pretty good too.
Compared to other phones and iPhone borrowed from a mate there is negligable difference in the accuracy and lag.
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So the GPS performance on the Touch Pro 2 is not that much better than the Touch Pro? The receiver on the Touch Pro is extremely weak.
At my work we have a GPS re-radiator for use with the equipment that we build. Indoors using the re-radiator I can get a lock in seconds with 11 satellites (the signal is abnormally strong). Outdoors, I'm happy if I can get a lock with 7.
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To the original poster, have you tried running a program like VisualGPS? If so, how much signal strength is it showing for the satellites? I see as high as 39 when indoors. I get quick and accurate locks and I am very happy with the GPS performance. I have to believe that you have a hardware problem.
As for the thread drift on the few seconds delay, yes, that is there, but not a big issue.
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I did try something like that, not sure if it was VisualGPS but it showed me the strength of GPS signal and it was quite accurate with how the GPS appeared to be behaving.
I got the phone's motherboard replaced and that fixed the issue. Thank you all for the replies though, it was possibly faulty.
Have the new Energy rom on but used the GPS hotfix. Seems to have increased lock time considerably.
I'll keep an eye on it though in case the lock time increases...
Wonder if we can find an app that would imbed GPS co-ordinates in any pics we take... Got a Samsung S8300t as well & it does this though the GPS navigation software is non-existant....
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Have the new Energy rom on but used the GPS hotfix. Seems to have increased lock time considerably.
I'll keep an eye on it though in case the lock time increases...
Wonder if we can find an app that would imbed GPS co-ordinates in any pics we take... Got a Samsung S8300t as well & it does this though the GPS navigation software is non-existant....
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One of the extra camera modes you can unlock in the TP2 is a geotagging mode that does exactly that. There's a number of ways to enable them...Rhodium Settings Tool has a switch for each of them individually (burst, sport, video share, and geotagging), or you can just run the cab below
....and, for anybody else on this thread who hasn't tried it already, I'd suggest checking out the cab fone_fanatic put together to help with GPS locks on the TP2, details HERE
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I'm very unhappy with my Asurion forced upgrade from the Incredible to the Incredible 2. Is anyone else having these problems and is there any solution?
Aside from the issues in the pictures, the Bluetooth never gets connected. I keep getting "HF Error 68" on my stereo. I guess that could actually be my stereo though...
I'm not sure what you're trying to show with the map. GPS works great on my I2. I use it almost daily.
While I don't use the calendar heavily, it hasn't crashed one me.
I don't use Skype.
I use bluetooth frequently for stereo audio, primarily in my car. I have no problems with pairing, auto-connecting, etc.
Have you tried rebooting your phone? Contact support?
Basically, what nimdae said: no issues.
If you haven't already, try a factory reset too.
Tried rebooting and resetting my phone. Also, alarm didn't go off this morning. When I woke up the alarm thing was showing but no alarm and the "Snooze" button was greyed out and I could only press "dismiss".
With the map. I use Runkeeper to track my exercise activities. Do you see how it's jagged all over the road? It adds about 20% on to the length of every exercise. This ruins any chance or keeping track of distance, pace, estimated calories burned, etc. My Droid 1 and Dinc had fine GPS. Maybe it locks fast and works fine for navigation but for tracking anything it's terrible. I certainly wasn't zig-zagging all over the road like in that picture.
Sounds to me you have a defective phone. I can't comment regarding RunKeeper, as every phone I've had that I've tried using the app with, including the iPhone, I thought has sucked for GPS tracking.. Beyond that though, none of the issues you are seeing.
I have had none of those issues.
I have not tried run keeper but I use endomondo for running. For the most part it is VERY accurate...the only time it is a bit off is when I go around a sharp u - sometimes it cuts across rather than following the u. But I think that is a software polling issue.
I agree with the others that your phone sounds defective.
I'll have to load up one of those apps and see what result I get. It's always good to compare. I've noticed a geocaching app I used had a slight accuracy issue, but it wasn't all over the place. I was at least able to use it as a reference.
Another thing - do you turn gps on and off or just leave it on?
When I first got this phone I would turn it off and on. I noticed that when I turned it on it took forever to lock.
I leave it on now.
I don't really remember if I left it on or not but a 20 mile ride should have had a lock somewhere in the beginning.
It seems my calendar issue was just something with that event, as it works okay with editing others and after changing my alarm notification sound the alarm works.
I am still having this issue with Skype telling me that I'm not on Verizon in the US... I have the hybrid Alltel PRL, maybe that has something to do with it? The GPS issue is just too much. I rely on Runkeeper to keep track of my running and cycling and having to take note of length and route, then completely remove and manually add the every event back in just isn't going to work for me.
The GPS works great for me on the inc2, I've used it plenty of times to get me home. I use the calendar as well and never seen a F/C/ I'd call for a refurb.
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The GPS works great for me on the inc2, I've used it plenty of times to get me home. I use the calendar as well and never seen a F/C/ I'd call for a refurb.
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There's a difference between the navigation mapping and the GPS usage he's attempting, which I intend to test with my I2. Navigation shows your relative position on a set path so if you are slightly off, it still shows you on the set path. On the other hand, things like geocaching and bike/run tracking doesn't lock you to a path, but rather tracks what the GPS radio reports is your location, whether on a road or in the middle of a field. In his scenario, his GPS is reporting him zigzagging on a road, which increases the estimated run distance and throws off various calculations.
I have some interest in this issue because I use a mapping app called Waze and because of this potential issue I've been hesitant to use the feature that allows you to map new roads using GPS.
I've been pretty busy so I haven't had a chance to hop on my bike with a tracker. I'll try to get to it this weekend if I'm not stuck on conference calls :S
@Grouper
Somehow I missed that you are using this for estimating calorie burn. I would highly recommend a Polar heart rate monitor. Any heart rate monitor will be more accurate than making a guess based on run time and distance, and I've found the Polar monitors to be pretty great, though a little on the expensive side. I like that it works with my cardio equipment as well, and I'll use it with my weight training and martial arts training.
I was thinking about getting one of the chest strap monitors but just don't have the money to spend on one right now.
I'm very curious to know whether or not I have a defective phone or if the drivers for gps on this device are just crappy.
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