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HTC Phones: Do they Really Work???

I've owned a couple of these HTC phones, formerly a Cingular/Siemens SX66, and also a small one by Audiovox...can't remember model but WM based, now got a Tmobile Dash.
All based on Windows Mobile, and my question is: HTC PHONES DO THEY REALLY WORK???
In the Forums I read nothing but problems, my experience's not good either. My first SX66 was defective, the replace froze way too often/needed reset (WM froze, CONNECTIVITY was POOR as it was on the Audiovox (I threw it against the wall and smashed to pieces) and STILL IS on the Dash..maybe not as BAD
I want to install a new language support on the Dash....doesn't seem to be possible
I "upgraded" to WM6 but I think I actually lost rather than gained in terms of versatility features and feel...
I'm thinkin of gettin a TyTn....but is it worth the aggravations and headaches, since I'm going to need to unlock and most likely extra language support for text messaging.....Is it possible to Add???
INPUT/OPINIONS WELCOME
THANKS

Sounds like you'd be happier with a iPhone...

Probably I'd be happier....
with an iPhone...if it was a 3rd Gen but still lags behind
BTW in the list I forgot to include the Treo 750....another flop...I've had it for some time and it's a waste

Just out of curiousity, what are you expecting from your phone? So far the dash has handled a lot of what I threw at it.
And yes, HTC phones work...at least as well as WM6 lets them.

I would recommend a title change for this thread. The question "do they really work" is a really stupid one.

ReverseImage said:
I've owned a couple of these HTC phones, formerly a Cingular/Siemens SX66, and also a small one by Audiovox...can't remember model but WM based, now got a Tmobile Dash.
All based on Windows Mobile, and my question is: HTC PHONES DO THEY REALLY WORK???
In the Forums I read nothing but problems, my experience's not good either. My first SX66 was defective, the replace froze way too often/needed reset (WM froze, CONNECTIVITY was POOR as it was on the Audiovox (I threw it against the wall and smashed to pieces) and STILL IS on the Dash..maybe not as BAD
I want to install a new language support on the Dash....doesn't seem to be possible
I "upgraded" to WM6 but I think I actually lost rather than gained in terms of versatility features and feel...
I'm thinkin of gettin a TyTn....but is it worth the aggravations and headaches, since I'm going to need to unlock and most likely extra language support for text messaging.....Is it possible to Add???
INPUT/OPINIONS WELCOME
THANKS
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Of course you're only going to hear about problems on forums, that's what they're there for: to find answers to your problems. People don't normally spend time praising something they own, there's no need for it.
As far as HTC goes, I have been pretty happy with my Dash. After getting all the nuisances tweaked, I can't picture the phone being much better.
PS - **** the iPhone. Worst device I have ever used.
PPS - I agree with changing the title of this thread. It is silly.

perhaps this is more the OP's speed?

I wouldn't get a Tytn.
I was so happy changing from a tytn to the Excalibur. There's still problems with the stability of WM professional vs WM standard.
Standard seems more robust and usable as a phone.
Also 3G on the tytn although is nice drains the battery.
I used to change phones every six months. The tytn only lasted 3 months before I was fedup with it. The excalibur is a phone which might actually be used for the full 2 year contract.

Well can't understand what's silly about the title, but the question is: 1) As with the "normal" Windows...xp-mill...etc" the OS suckes!!!
Microsoft spends so much money on developing but still SUCKS! keeps freezing and it's very unstable...I had so many fights with my GF because she couldn't hear me while using a "Blue Angel"..."this only happens with your phone...etc"
as for the connection quality these HTC if don't have a GOOD connection you're very likely to be stuck with an UNUSABLE piece of hardware.
I hate when the person next to me 's talking madly and I can't even connect.
Last but not LEAST, I think companies try too hard to limit/direct people's free choice! If there's a contract in force leave free choice how I want to use MY phone, therefore they ought to be HIGHLY CUSTOMIZEABLE...
In other words they only do a GREAT JOB @ screwing you around.
If someone 's satisfied with that, well...their choice...I know I'm not
Best Wishes

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HTC PHONES DO THEY REALLY WORK???
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Nope.
This is why there is a dedicated website, forum, community, etc revolving around them.
I'm a huge fan of the Elmo walkie talkie myself.
-Mc

Choose something non-HTC for yourself, this forum will thank you
ReverseImage said:
Well can't understand what's silly about the title, but the question is: 1) As with the "normal" Windows...xp-mill...etc" the OS suckes!!!
Microsoft spends so much money on developing but still SUCKS! keeps freezing and it's very unstable...I had so many fights with my GF because she couldn't hear me while using a "Blue Angel"..."this only happens with your phone...etc"
as for the connection quality these HTC if don't have a GOOD connection you're very likely to be stuck with an UNUSABLE piece of hardware.
I hate when the person next to me 's talking madly and I can't even connect.
Last but not LEAST, I think companies try too hard to limit/direct people's free choice! If there's a contract in force leave free choice how I want to use MY phone, therefore they ought to be HIGHLY CUSTOMIZEABLE...
In other words they only do a GREAT JOB @ screwing you around.
If someone 's satisfied with that, well...their choice...I know I'm not
Best Wishes
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In Short: Yes they do work
But I have had a HTC Blue Angel (SX66), Faraday (2125), Tornado (sp5m), Wizard (8125), Tytn (8525), Excalibur (dash), Treo 750, Star Trek (8500), Vox (s710), Cavalier (c730). All phone have some issues, but I can tell you seriously they work better than any other phone on the market. And you shouldnt be worried that people complain about them you should be excited that these phones give you the freedom to log onto a website like this in order to solve problems instead of just complain.
I had my cavalier for a month before all of a sudden I just upgraded it with full youtube integration because of this website.
Be happy you have a phone that gives you the ultimate ability to do everything.
Plus HTC knows how to make a phone teh sexy

ReverseImage said:
Well can't understand what's silly about the title, but the question is: 1) As with the "normal" Windows...xp-mill...etc" the OS suckes!!!
Microsoft spends so much money on developing but still SUCKS! keeps freezing and it's very unstable...I had so many fights with my GF because she couldn't hear me while using a "Blue Angel"..."this only happens with your phone...etc"
as for the connection quality these HTC if don't have a GOOD connection you're very likely to be stuck with an UNUSABLE piece of hardware.
I hate when the person next to me 's talking madly and I can't even connect.
Last but not LEAST, I think companies try too hard to limit/direct people's free choice! If there's a contract in force leave free choice how I want to use MY phone, therefore they ought to be HIGHLY CUSTOMIZEABLE...
In other words they only do a GREAT JOB @ screwing you around.
If someone 's satisfied with that, well...their choice...I know I'm not
Best Wishes
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If your computer freezes or gets blue screens it's 90% of the time your hardware that fails. And if you are so unhappy about windows xp then I suggest you use linux..see what you can make of that.
As far as i'm consurned the Windows mobile phones are quite customizeable as long as you have some sense of what you are doing.
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!

Order TP2 Now - Thanks to all.... This is what I decided on ....

Hi Folks,
[EDIT: My title sounds like a call to action... It meant to say "Ordered my TP2 now" not "Order TP2 Now" !!]
Just a quick thank you.
Having looking at all the MPD, Clove, VF, Expansys type options I ended up going with VF since it was far cheaper over the term of the contract which I minimised to 18 months to enable me to upgrade earlier. I also used Quidco which will get me £100 off the deal as well. Incidentally I found Clove really helpful although this route was not for me.
I am with Orange at present, but they have not stock and their signal is weaker in my area. However their international data roaming charges is more transparent and acceptable IMO than VFs.
So VF is not perfect, but as an overall package is the best fit for me. I am aware with the potential firmware and 6.5 upgrade lag issues which I have reported and I have been informed that they are trying to improve this. I was also pretty impressed with their forum in which VF staffers engaged in a very active and intelligent way - where I reported the potential future 6.5 upgrade issue.
So thanks again.... I await my delivery and hopefully a great new experience in productivity and fun etc... No doubt be made even more possible by the great efforts of folks in this forum.
Sam
P.s No doubt I will be upgrading the VF theme to run a XDA inspired CAB theme.... Do these near finished released XDA projects get put somewhere central or is it a matter of searching for a post and finally asking the question if all else fails?

To upgrade or to wait?

Hi everyone, I was wondering if the people in this forum could help me make up my mind on whether to get the TP2 or to wait for the Fortress?
In particular I was wondering just how much slower the EDGE network would be in real situations, a.k.a. checking the occasional web page and especially how much slower it would be in using logmein? (I seem to remember a few comparisons being done back when the Iphone was restricted to Edge and people saying that there wasn't as much difference as one would think because the bottleneck with web pages tended to be the browser rather than the network speed)
I am a repair technician who spends more time on the road than in the office and if I could have a phone with a decently big screen that would let me do a little light surfing, check my email, and remotely help customers via logmein sometimes without having to get my laptop from the car, boot it up and find a way to connect to the internet I think it would be absolute paradise.
Right now I have an 8525 that has been a very good phone over its lifetime even if I've never run any advanced ROM's on it. It had the stock WM5 when I got it and I upgraded it to the official WM6 from HTC when that came out however most of my playing with it's interface has been with SPB's software and I have to admit that Mobile Shell 3 is a more amazing interface than anything else I've ever seen or heard about elsewhere. Still, my 8525 is getting a bit old and it would be sooo nice to have a bigger screen for the web and logmein.
It's just that every time I read a new release date estimation on the Fortress it seems to get placed further and further in the future (the last one I read said something about Oct/Nov) and I'm beginning to wonder whether I shouldn't just buy the European version for now and then sell that on Ebay when ATT finally gets around to releasing theirs to help defray the cost of the Fortress?
Thus I come back to my original question, has anyone here had any experience surfing the web on the TP2 over EDGE? Or better yet has anyone here tried using logmein from this model phone on ATT's network? How have your experiences in doing either of these been? Is the upgrade worth it for the TP2 or should I really just wait for the Fortress and pray desperately that it is everything that I hope it will be? Well, have a nice day everyone.

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=492751
Shouldn´t be easier to post there instead of creating a new redundant thread?

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I appologize for not noticing the other thread before posting this one however having just read through that thread I don't see any information regarding my primary questions about how much of a difference in experience there is between 3G and Edge in light web browsing and using logmein (and whether the difference would be more a factor of the phone's resources and browser than the actual speed of the network connection). I will post my questions there as well if you think it will get answers though. Again, sorry for not seeing that thread first.

Questions about TP2

Hi,
I'm new here as well as to WM/HTC devices. I use blackberry now and considering to change my phone to TP2.
My questions would be is it worthed?
Do the apps have limitation? Most blackberry apps don't work under wifi and it requires data plan to function properly. I'm a college student and I don't want to waste that extra $25.
And if i do buy it, you guys have a lot to teach me...I'm a newb in this WM phone

Welcome to the world of Windows Mobile. You'll either hate it or love it like most of us here do.
1st, read the Wiki here. Watch video reviews of the device so you know your way around the OS. Read your manual. And please do use search.
Regarding your questions:
1. If you ask people here, of course we're all going to say it's worth it. You need to read/watch reviews and decide for yourself while considering your needs.
2. I can't think of a single WinMo app that requires web access that won't work via wifi
3. Don't depend on others to provide you with what you need. Very rarely will you not find what you need by simply searching and using Google.

By limitation maybe he means like in BB, almost everything is RIM proprietary. No it is not, and most are JVM (Java) independent although you can install Java too in TP2, and most are more eye-catching for menu navigation compared to BB black on white text menu
Most apps are downloadable through your PC, transferable to TP2 and install locally in your TP2. No need to download directly to your phone, so you can save your data plan. Not to mention that almost all apps can be installed in your SD cards (almost impossible in BB hehe?)
So, still holding that clunky Bold/Curve, mate? Whaddya waiting for ^_^

Newbie deciding in between repairing his nokia E62 or going for an E600 and flash it.

Hello everybody, this is a really nice forum, all you need to know about flashing an Excalibur windows mobile is here. Just amazing I found this!
Well, the story goes as follows:
My Nokia E62 died for no reason (when I turn it on, it just get frozen on the nokia logo) it seems there's a cure, but I need to send it to a repair shop or something like that.
The other option I have is to buy a new "unopened" (but unlocked) HTC E600 from a store, and flash it with a WM 6.5 or 6.1... I already have some flashing experience: I own an Acer N311 PDA that sports WM5 and I flashed to WM6.0 which brought new life to my PDA (except for some minor-and-not-often unstability issues)
My dilemma...:
1-send my beloved E62 to repair and keep going with it...
2-or buy the E600, new phone, new year, new life...? is it really a good choice? I like WM6 on my PDA, but is WM good when using it as a phone? What could go seriously wrong? Is the Java implementation good enough? Will I miss symbian...? etc etc..
no option 3 I could think about... (it would become a trilemma if so )
Thank you very much in advance!

TheFumigator said:
Hello everybody, this is a really nice forum, all you need to know about flashing an Excalibur windows mobile is here. Just amazing I found this!
Well, the story goes as follows:
My Nokia E62 died for no reason (when I turn it on, it just get frozen on the nokia logo) it seems there's a cure, but I need to send it to a repair shop or something like that.
The other option I have is to buy a new "unopened" (but unlocked) HTC E600 from a store, and flash it with a WM 6.5 or 6.1... I already have some flashing experience: I own an Acer N311 PDA that sports WM5 and I flashed to WM6.0 which brought new life to my PDA (except for some minor-and-not-often unstability issues)
My dilemma...:
1-send my beloved E62 to repair and keep going with it...
2-or buy the E600, new phone, new year, new life...? is it really a good choice? I like WM6 on my PDA, but is WM good when using it as a phone? What could go seriously wrong? Is the Java implementation good enough? Will I miss symbian...? etc etc..
no option 3 I could think about... (it would become a trilemma if so )
Thank you very much in advance!
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Well basically I think you got to figure out by yourself , since you are the one who knows what phone will be suitable to fill your expectations and cover your daily mobile needs. For my point of view, you need to compare the functionability that you want from a phone and if that phone is capable of provide you that. For me and many others, the dash and the amazing roms posted in this forum provides you all of that; since they have been elaborated to the different "tastes" of the thousands of users in this site. Because here, we want to take the dash to the edge and squeeze the last drop of resources that it can provide us. That is my personal opinion and many others will have a different one or similar. Something that might help can be a basic comparison and see what phone is offering you what. You can look here and decide from this basic specifications. http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1708&idPhone1=1696. Other thing to consider is this amazing forum, something that not many other brands might have. This can provide you an added value to your purchase if you decide for the excalibur.
I hope that helps

Thank you very much for the reply!!
Im pretty sure I will end up buying the E600... I am just a little worried about battery life.
Also, what about performance? My E62 was terribly slow, it took like 7 seconds to open a message (sms), but I eventually got used to it... and such "details", menu navigation was laggy and slow. It always been this way...
Is there any noticeable difference in between the E600, S620, S621?