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morning all,
two questions.
Firstly, roughly what are peoples memory status.
I've got a 1GB card that I install most stuff to and it's only 22% full, and my main memory is showing storage free 30MB (out of 54) and program free memory is at 19 (out of 48)
I'm curious as two what other people have.
secondly.
the programs I have installed are
Photocontacts Pro
SBP Pocket plus
SBP Backup
Resco Explorer
Resco Registry
WIFI Companion
and a whole bunch of games
The only thing I use on SBP pocketplus is the close program with X thing. I understand that wizbar has this feature too.
would anyone recommend one program over the other? wizbar or SBP pocket plus?
am I missing any other must have programs?
many thanks
Doesn't the ROM include a HTC program that closes items by X as well? I know it was included on my Herald.
In different threads I see different meaning about SPB software and their performance on WM6 especially about the memory consuming.
I think it a good idea to discuss the sbp software in this thread in stead of the other treads. In the other treads this thread can be referenced when needed.
Can you reply to in this thread which SPB software you are using in WM6 without any troubled?
Thanx!
John
With out Problem I work with;
Spb Diary
Spb Pocket plus
Spb GPRS Monitor
Spb Backup
Spb Phone Suite
In Backup I hafe somthimeb problem if i make a complet Backup alsome from the System.
Remo
I also use without any issues:
Spb Phone Suite
Spb Mobile Shell
Spb Diary
Spb Pocket Plus
Haven't tried others though, but the talk about memory leak I haven't noticed at all...
Radom55 said:
With out Problem I work with;
Spb Diary
Spb Pocket plus
Spb GPRS Monitor
Spb Backup
Spb Phone Suite
In Backup I have somthimeb problem if i make a complet Backup alsome from the System.
Remo
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Yes, I use SPB Diary & SPB Backup as well. I used to have problem with the SPB Backup (v1.5) but the latest version 1.6 Built 2753 is ok, I do not have issue with Full Backup. According to the change log, this version is designed to work with WM6. So if you have problem, try using the latest version..
Any success with SPB Time anyone?
Hallo alvinlim28,
i update no the Spb backup..
no works very good.
only one thing.
The comment after the backup is
"i can not backup the file btdisk.tmp in Windows Folder.
Waht do this file? I cant delete this tmp file. Its in use.
But what kind of Programm use this file?
Remo
It's a temporary file, I'm not an expert but I doubt you'd need it.
Mem
I think its not the problem that it don't work well in the front, but the problem is the mem. leak after a couple of hours my mem. schrinks with 10 mb after a soft reset it is ok again.
Heijdemann said:
I think its not the problem that it don't work well in the front, but the problem is the mem. leak after a couple of hours my mem. schrinks with 10 mb after a soft reset it is ok again.
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Have you check the Task Manager to see if there are any 'open' program? By default WM6 does not 'close' the application rather keeps it in the background. If you have a lot of application in the background, of course this will take up memory as well.
So far I do not experience any 'out of memory' problem. To me it doesn't matter if after a few hours of usage I have less memory (it might be WM6's way of keeping some portion of the application cached in the memory for faster recall??). Memory is there to be utilized. As long as WM6 knows how to free them up when I start a big application, then I am fine.
Memory being utilized is good memory, A lot of free memory but not being utilized is not good memory. At the end of the day it's the user experience that matters. If this is WM6's way of making the whole PDA more 'responsive', I'm happy to have this than to have a machine that is sluggish with a lots of free memory.
SPB Mobile Shell leaks memory
I loose memory just when my mobile is turned on.
I give SPB MObile Shell the blame...
jjplayground said:
I loose memory just when my mobile is turned on.
I give SPB MObile Shell the blame...
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Sorry for double post (also in Tips & Tricks) but:
With regard to SpB Mobile Shell, it may be worth leaving it to settle down a little.
I use SpB Diary, Phone Suite and Mobile Shell.
Due to the possible memory leak, I removed Mobile Shell for 3 days, but couldn't live without its functionality.
I reinstalled it on Monday evening, at which point, Memory was 22MB. By 8am it was down to 17.5MB, so I thought 'here we go again'; however, by 11am it was back to 18.5MB, and has stayed pretty much the same since, so I'm happy!
SpB Time still wont work- seems to create 2 alarms for the same time, so one activated with no sound; shutting that activates the 2nd with sound.
Chronos works fine (and much smaller footprint, if not so nice interface)
mobile shell = working
phone suite = working
weather = working
time = working
imageer = working
mun_rus rom
theranger said:
mobile shell = working
phone suite = working
weather = working
time = working
imageer = working
mun_rus rom
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Without the infamous memory-leak you mean ?
Cause i've found the leak to be not that annoying, apart from one thing i experienced yesterday: the Bluetooth of Trinity simply doesn't want to turn on if memory is below 20 Megs....
Moaske said:
Without the infamous memory-leak you mean ?
Cause i've found the leak to be not that annoying, apart from one thing i experienced yesterday: the Bluetooth of Trinity simply doesn't want to turn on if memory is below 20 Megs....
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can't say i've noticed any problems with memory showing 16 meg free for programes and 36 meg free in storage' and everthing seems to be working ok maybee i don't use it with that many apps running as some of you guys but i do love this rom so if their are any quirks i'll put up with them for now..
anyone get the gprs monitor today plugin to work?
I use SPB Shell, phone, time, GPRS monitor and phone, and I didn't notice any leak... All of them are inserted into SPB Shell, and everything work fine.
ROM Aus
Mobile Shell is known to kill battery and memory, but I know they released a newer version and I haven't heard any reviews on it and if they fixed those issues.
I use SPB Weather & Full Keyboard with no issues on WM6.
I also use spb mobile shell and I usually have 21 - 22 free memory, so I don't see any leak at all
Can someone please post their registry entry for the GPRS Monitor Today plugin? I have installed GPRS Monitor, and only the actual application is working. The Today plugin is not anywhere to be seen, not even in the today item settings. I have checked the registry and there is an entry there but it doesnt seem complete.
Thanks guys.
I use spb weather myself with no probs at all. Using AX3L's rom 2.0.7
Hi all,
I have been suffering by this issue.
I do not have many program in my x01ht, only isilo, mbook, rescoviewer, rescoexplorer, PMcontact, pocket imformant HTC Home, Slide to unlock 0.72, CE-Star, CORG (some of them are installed in card memory)
Everytime after I soft reset my x01ht (offical WWE ROM), I have 26-27M program free
However, after running couple of apps., the program memory drops (of course), the problem is if the app. takes 5M of program, WM6 only release 2-3M memory after I close this app.
So, after half day using my x01ht , I must reset it once , otherwise there is less than 10 M program memory free inside, and I could not run more than 1 program or use PIE to surf internet
Does anyone know anything I could do to fix it ?
Or it just normal because it's based on "window" ?
Appreciated!
I use a small app called "Hibernate" to release closed program memory daily. It was installed already on my TNT rom, so do a search should to find it's cab.
Freeware Oxios Memory (containing Hibernate and Close Apps mentioned in above post) can be downloaded here.
Thanks so much Guys, but I also read from this forum, somebody said this program makes hermes device no more multi-task functions
Everytime users only can run one program...very weird.
Any other users tried this program on Hermes? (Offical WM6 ROM or Cooked ROM?)
Actually I am trying it now, but I have a question, what's the difference in function between Osios Hibernate and Oxios CloseApps ?
Thanks
Not even Oxios Hibernate can free all used RAM. It's an OS issue, called memory leak.
Hibernate - free RAM without closing apps.
CloseApps - Hibernate + Close all apps
DaVince said:
Not even Oxios Hibernate can free all used RAM. It's an OS issue, called memory leak.
Hibernate - free RAM without closing apps.
CloseApps - Hibernate + Close all apps
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Thanks so much,
I have found out something weird after I install this app.
It automatically closes my app. after couple of mins (after use) , even I only run ONE app.
And it closes app. when I run more than 3-4 apps at the same times immediately (after I run the 5th or 6th app. )
I thought Hibernate and closeapps functions when I click it , but not automatically close my apps., isn't it?
kinghung said:
Thanks so much,
I have found out something weird after I install this app.
It automatically closes my app. after couple of mins (after use) , even I only run ONE app.
And it closes app. when I run more than 3-4 apps at the same times immediately (after I run the 5th or 6th app. )
I thought Hibernate and closeapps functions when I click it , but not automatically close my apps., isn't it?
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They should work on demand - i.e. only when you run them by clicking the icon/exe. I am using these two apps for quite some time and never had such an experience you describe. Seems the culprit is something else in your case...
It's a natural WM behavior to close other apps when the system requires more memory. For example, you open up calendar, then you open up a game that requires a lot of memory, WM will close calendar automatically.
It's not the Hibernate/CloseApp app that's doing it.
DaVince said:
It's a natural WM behavior to close other apps when the system requires more memory. For example, you open up calendar, then you open up a game that requires a lot of memory, WM will close calendar automatically.
It's not the Hibernate/CloseApp app that's doing it.
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But before I installed this oxios memory, It didn't happen to me.
And after I uninstalled it, It doesn't happan again (I uninstalled it over 1 day)
So , it sounds a bit weird for me......I really have no idea.
But anyway, thanks so much guys!
KarhU said:
They should work on demand - i.e. only when you run them by clicking the icon/exe. I am using these two apps for quite some time and never had such an experience you describe. Seems the culprit is something else in your case...
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Thanks, so which one should I run when I see the memory is dropping to a very low level?
Hibernate or closeapps?
It sounds closeapps has both hibernate and closeapps functions , hasn't it?
kinghung said:
Thanks, so which one should I run when I see the memory is dropping to a very low level?
Hibernate or closeapps?
It sounds closeapps has both hibernate and closeapps functions , hasn't it?
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Answer to your first question: I do it even more often...
I prefer Hibernate.
You are right Closeapps closes the running programs and has hibernate function included. If these apps do not work correctly for you you can use commercial or freeware version of SkTools (it also cleans RAM apart from tons of other functions or also commercial MemMaid - that will let you clean tweak everything connected with memory in your PDA.
Oxios CloseApps doesn't close apps. I don't know if it's because it doesn't work with WM6.1 but when I use it all my apps are still running. Have to use QuickMenu's "close all apps" mode.
IMO it would be useful to compare the new WM6 ROMs regarding the memory leaking. I mean mainly the ROMs with Home Plugin and/or Cube, because they proved to be quite memory hungry.
I think the latest versions should be counted: Tom's B&B 4.3, Meschle's Touch 3.0 and/or 3.01, and Vanilla 2.0, Bepe's build 0.53, maybe Fracoon's 2.2 too. But every experience on any rom regarding RAM decrease can be interesting.
I launch this thread because, as I see, this problem is the weakest point of many cooked rom (and maybe of the official versions too). So, let's say: after a half-day-long usage, without soft reset but running e.g. Tomtom, Windows Messenger, Ms Office, any music player etc. how much free Program memory (RAM) do you have? (Before measuring close all programs and run Hibernate once.)
I konow it's impossible to have an exact picture since every PDA is different, some owner-installed programs can be a big memory-consumer, but anyhow, sharing our experience might show some tendencies and help us to choose the ROM nearest to our needs.
So I begin:
Currently using Tom's 4.3, after half a day of normal usage it's around 18-19 M (from 25). -- IMO it's not bad, I've heard about far bigger leakage.
My previous rom was HTC official WM6 (3.13.405.1 WWE) it also started with around 25 M and 'ended' with 20 M. (but it doesn't have Cube).
cheers,
I've tried with meschel artemis touch 2.1 lite with cube and 3.0 lite with cube.
about 12.5 MB with first one and about 19.8/20 with other.
Great work, meschle!!!
Bye
I had Meschle's Premium Plus w/o cube and it averaged about 16-17Meg. Now I've got the Touch 3.01 and I get as low as 13Meg but I'm also running MS Voice Command which is a huge memory hog. If I didn't have MSVC I would prob still be at 16-17Meg with the programs I have running. The official WM5 P3300 ROM left about 18-19Meg avail on average.
You need to run hibernate!
I have tried different ROMs and found a workaround which up to now is not very convenient but effective: Use "Hibernate" after closing each application oder settings tab. This small app is included in many cooked ROMs, it releases memory.
First thing I do after a soft reset is using hibernate since it releases about 1-1.5 MB and that gave me at best times 28 MB RAM, I think that was with B&B v3.0 GER.
I think it is possible to combine the X-Button with hibernate through MortScript. MortScript is a Scripting tool for WM and can automate certain things, since you have to be familiar with programming and need a lot of patience I still didn't try it.
I don't know if Wisbar is able to perform two tasks when pushing the X Button. Then you could assign it to closing the app and then starting hibernate. Maybe I will ask the programmer if he will produce a version without the window that shows up every time, then it would be perfect.
I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.
Registerme said:
I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.
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Yes, I also often use Hibernate. I assigned it with HButton to teh OK/Close button (first function: close; scond: Hibernate).
I assumed that almost everyone use it, that's why I suggested in the first post that even the measuring should be after closing all apps and applying Hibernate.
Folks I am no guru like yourselves but hope you can shed light or make some suggestions. I was wondering why performance was so appalling after installing all my apps after upgrading the ROM (btw this also applies to original WM5 from HP) . I have tried WM5, WM6 and numerous WM6.1 ROMS always the same problem.
Issue is filesys.exe taking in between 85-95% CPU until application removed.
I watched the system using acbtaskman
All ROMS work fine after initial install. I see filesys activity during active sync and SD CARD or file system access as expected , but never goes above 50% CPU. I then start installing apps and watched for the issue . This is how it went as I also wanted to track memory usage for leaks as well. All applications are installed on Device not SD Card (except TomTom). Also in most cases this is not USING the apps just installing them.
Action..............CPU..........Memory Hit (Start at 29/30 Meg)
SD Card In........OK............27.5
SPB Mobile........OK............24.4
TomTom...........OK............23.6
mNotes(4)........100%.........24.3 - removed reset
easysync 426....OK............22.4 25.0 after reset
SPB Weather.....OK............25.0
SPB Finance......100%........24.2 - removed reset
MS Money........100%.........24.0 - removed reset (not supported I know)
eWallet.............OK............24ish
SPB Plus...........100%.........24ish - removed
Resco Explorer....OK............21.8
Opera Browser....OK............21.8
Is this just me or do others have problems. Looks to me that old apps and SPB code looks flaky. i.e SPB Plus and SPB Finance. As MS Money 2005 PPC doesn't work (and this was last UK version) and SPB Finance have a real pain that I dont have a working financial application (oh and Ultrasoft wouldn't install).
Found fix
I know I am replying to myself but I found the fix somebody on xda has been kind enough to post instruction on how to patch the program I used in WM5. Here is link to the info :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2251594