Ok, I've had my TP2 for a couple of weeks now and I love it, but there are a few things I wanna get addressed and possibly fixed.
First things first, my phone was originally bought brand new from Verizon. It is now fully flashed to CricKet.
The first thing I wanna know is if there is a way to disable the built in HTC messaging interface. I'm fine with the older style of messaging (like that of the TouchPro 1). The HTC messaging seems slow and sluggish, and aside from accidentally clicking on the text message, I never use it. (Pics 1-4)
Secondly. After texting a message and pressing send, if I hit OK at the top right hand corner, it goes out and back to all my messages and usually hangs for about 40 seconds before I can do anything. Nothing will work. If I hit the end/home hard key, it will just beep, light up, but do nothing. I know when it hangs because it leaves a small part of the message at the top. (See top of pic 5)
Lastly. If I have my phone at the home screen and I get a text message my keyboard opens up on the home screen. Is there a fix or setting for this? Yes, I do have Swype (from the OmniaII), but this was a problem before swype, so I have eliminated Swype as a culprit. (See pic 6)
Oh and I'm running windows 6.5 professional
anyone? help?
This cab may disable the HTC SMS module for you...there's a couple of cabs that can do that (some work with some ROMs), this is the only one I happen to have handy. If it doesn't work for you, you can find others just by searching "disable HTC sms cab"
The attached worked for my keyboard, but mine was only appearing in txt messages, not on the home screen like yours.
I experience that same text at the top of the screen, but mine only lasts for seconds at most. I just reset my phone a couple days back so I only have a couple hundred messages, but even with a couple months worth I never had to wait that long. What are your running ram %s?
Whats the exact ROM you are using?
I've just upgraded to a Desire coming from a Touch HD (Dutty Holy Grail) and have to say that first impressions are not great. Seriously thinking about returning it but interested to hear other people's experience.
So far moaning about the following problems - well more inconveniences:
- keyboard too jumpy
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
Will persevere another few days to make sure that I'm not just a grumpy old fart who hates change....
Take it back then. And my sms shows how many letter i have left.
I'll answer some of your points because a few are valid.
Could you elaborate on calling from emails? You mean the phone picking up that you have a number stored for a contact and allowing you to dial them? I've tried this and it works. You need to be using the HTC mail client, not the Gmail one.
"no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call."
I couldn't reproduce this use case at all. Your screen locks while you're in a call? A SHORT call too? Or are you just positing a use case you THINK could happen? The screen goes blank when you raise it to your ear and turns back on when you take it away...what you describe can't happen.
If you've got double syncing then there's a configuration error. Elaborate. How did you set it up? Are you syncing with your work email or a webmail account?
The home screen "apps" are not apps, they're widgets, and function like every other widget I've ever seen, they just give info and limited functions. You wanted to send email FROM a widget?!
"sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left"
Mostly because text limits have all but disappeared. Does your provider still cap you? You should get a new provider.
Your device is still new...you need a few charging cycles to get the battery at full potential.
The other issues are pretty spot on...the keyboard I'm used to now though. Trust the predictive text.
Maxwell Smart said:
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
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1. I have never seen that feature before. Would definitely be handy.
2. That annoys me too, but I guess it's just a matter of getting used to it.
3. Use a replacement SMS app. Handcent is my favorite.
4. Blame Facebook for that. They won't allow it, even in their official app which is stupid.
5. Strange, I have the impression that the headphone volume is quite loud.
6. You might have an application running in the background which is draining the battery and keeping the phone awake. See related threads in this forum for more info.
keyboard - Like all keyboards, it takes time to get used to. Trust the autocomplete feature and you'll be surprised. Best soft keyboard I've ever used.
Yes, you can call directly from email. Just tap the sender and their contact card will open which includes the option to call them.
No hardware call buttons - It's an inconvenience but you knew they weren't there before you bought it.
Exchange sync issue - Maybe something with your settings? I have it synced with Google's Exchange server with no problems.
Widgets - Yes, I share your opinion on many of the widgets. You might as well just launch the main application. They are pretty to look at though...
SMS - Perhaps download a 3rd party SMS application?
Facebook - no comment. I don't use it.
Headphone volume - I read here that some carriers limit the max volume on their devices. Perhaps they did that to yours? My device's max volume is pretty deafening.
Battery life - If you read reviews, you'll know that battery life is not impressive. But do give it several charge cycles and sync your data as conservatively as possible. You might find the battery life to be acceptable.
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Take it back then. And my sms shows how many letter i have left.
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OUCH! Headshot! Be gentle it;s a new device ...
... Ok moving on ...
Actually don't worry been beaten ...
Like I said, the keyboard issue is just that you will need time to get used to it.
If you have a contact saved with a number and email and they send you mail, you will see their picture in the corner...tap it. You will get a speech bubble type box pop up that has the option to phone them, send them a message (text or email) or go to their contact card. Make sure you've merged your contacts. It won't work if you have a separate contact card for their phone details and then another for their email.
Again...is SMS length an issue still for people? I've not thought about those arbitrary 140 character limits since my first Motorola Wings flip phone.
Compared to my HD2 the Desire's keyboard is a DREAM to use - HD2 was skitty as hell and all over the shop. Desire's never misses a key and can type a LOT quicker on it personally...
Never bothered to know number of characters left in an SMS, doesn't bother me
Battery life, with all sync options on default, is about 48hrs give or take an hour...
Double sync IS annoying but I don't sync with Google anymore so got rid of that...
Facebook app, don't care about messaging as my phone is to keep up-to-date, PC is to contact...
Not bothered about hardware key for end call, call ends when you press the BIG red button at the end of a call (don't need to unlock or anything first)
Headphones - don't use them as phone isn't a music player to me, it's a phone
1. Get used to it, you will be fine. I moved from HTC Kaiser with hardware keyboard and I found the HTC Desire virtual keyboard is very good and responsive.
2. No idea, but as several posts above, you actually can do it.
3. You should know this already before purchase.
4. No idea
5. Widget is nice, this is unique to Android. You dont have to use it if you dont like. Then put app shortcut in the home screen, typical winmo thingy.
6. Use other messaging client like Hancent
7. Blame Facebook Or use Nimbuzz / Fring!
8. Check your settings, my battery life is amazing, on moderate usage it could last more than 48 hours (this include several hours (2-3) a day browsing on WiFi and gaming).
Maxwell Smart said:
I've just upgraded to a Desire coming from a Touch HD (Dutty Holy Grail) and have to say that first impressions are not great. Seriously thinking about returning it but interested to hear other people's experience.
So far moaning about the following problems - well more inconveniences:
- keyboard too jumpy
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
Will persevere another few days to make sure that I'm not just a grumpy old fart who hates change....
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RE: battery life
I charged mine to 100% last night, took it off charge at 1am, woke up at 8:20 am, checked my phone....98% !!
i use Juice Defender (one of my settings is to disable Apn/Wifi from midnight till 8am, works well
Thanks for the comments. Proves I'm a grumpy old fart! lol
Some good replies which I will investigate further.
Aitese - your comment about the screen going black and then turning back on when you remove it from your ear... is there a light sensor setting? as mine stays black until i tap power button unless i am talking to an actual person (rather than machine) and they hang up first.
Syncing is being done with a Microsoft Exchange Server 2003. But I think I may have just solved issue as it appears to sync both with my laptop and the server without realising they are showing the same appointments. Just too used to MS ActiveSync which works it out.
The keyboard is still bugging me - have tried to train it using the calibrate option but still seems off. That is the top row of keys that I push match up but when i go to the second last row it always hits the last row which being space and punctuation tends to terminate the word.
Anyhow will persevere. Appreciate everyone indulging a grumpy old codger...
great tip thanks - will look for that app.
Maxwell Smart said:
Aitese - your comment about the screen going black and then turning back on when you remove it from your ear... is there a light sensor setting? as mine stays black until i tap power button unless i am talking to an actual person (rather than machine) and they hang up first.
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If you hold the phone under a bright light you'll see the sensors in the top left corner of the black bezel. To test it, make a call and then move your thumb over the top left corner and then away again...the screen should turn off when your thumb gets near and turn back on shortly after you move away. Call your voicemail box or customer service
For sms use handcent its brill and it gives you letter count.For facebook i use babbler as it gives you notification for inbox.
Maxwell Smart said:
The keyboard is still bugging me - have tried to train it using the calibrate option but still seems off. That is the top row of keys that I push match up but when i go to the second last row it always hits the last row which being space and punctuation tends to terminate the word.
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BetterKeyboard plus the accompanying DarkGray theme is by far the best Android keyboard out there. HTC_IME (i.e. the HTC keyboard you're hating on) seems to be well thought of in the community but I personally hate it and think BetterKeyboard wipes the floor with it.
A few thoughts
- I just want to add a few thing giving that I also came from an HD. Compared to the HD which only had a light sensor, the Desire also comes with a proximity sensor that monitors if you have your ear close to the phone regardless of light (on the HD the screen only turned off if it was day and it could actually sense a difference in light).
If you make a call and put your phone to your ear it turns the screen off WITHOUT locking it, and when you want to terminate a call by taking it from your ear it will turn on again but not locked.
The phone locks itself only it you don't activate the proximity sensor (like when you are using a bluetooth headset and you don't take to phone to your ear). When that happenes the screen turns off after 15 seconds and yes, if you turn it on then it will be locked.
- Why do you want a hardware button for call and end? The capacitive screen with the combination of the proximity sensor makes them useless?
-Another thing i can chip in is related to the sms thing. The default SMS app shows you the number of characters left and the number of messages already typed when you are nearing the end of a message.
It shows that above the send button. If you have less the 10 characters available in that message it'll show 10/1 above the send button, and it will decrease and then turn into 145/2 saying that you have 145 characters left untill reaching 2 messages. After that it'll stay on and counting without dissapearing, until you send the message.
I find this to be a goog feature because it only warns me if i exceed one SMS.
I have used it for 2 days, and I am out of space installing apps on the HTC desire. WTF.. it can't use the 16 gig memory card to install apps and games?
There is no way I'm going to Win MO again.. but seriously.. WTF.
Maxwell Smart said:
- can't call contact directly from email
no issue here
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
as soon as you remove handset from ear it unlocks itself and turns on monitor. whats the prob here?
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
nope, no prob here
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
disable them if you dont like them. i find them handy
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
read forum - thats you device not the desire in general
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see comments above.
none of these probs appear to be desire probs but rather strange layer 8 probs
Yeah the keyboard issue is due to the resistive v capacitive screens. The resistive screens need a good push, the capacitive ones need a slight touch. You get used to it.
for facebook, a new version is downloadable which give access to your INBOX.. which is what i assume was meant?
My Tilt 2 and my girlfriend's Tilt 2 suffer from the same issue. About 25% of the time when we open a text message, our phones do not scroll down to the most recent message nor give us a cursor so we can start typing a reply.
You have to manually scroll down to the typing area and manually click in the blank space, and even then, when you start typing and get to the end of a line, instead of automatically dropping down to the next line, the phone inexplicably scrolls back up to an older message. You then have to scroll back down and click in the typing area where your message was cut off to resume typing, but each time you get to the end of a line, it scrolls back up again. Using the task manager to close the sms application fixes the problem, but it reoccurs about one out of every four text messages we receive. I have applied both of the hotfixes, the sms patch and the caller id patch.
It's so much of an annoyance, she, being a bigger texter than I, hates the phone. If anyone else has had this issue, do any of the extant cooked roms fix the issue? We are both using the stock At&T Rom minus the crud.
sounds like it could be a case of the different programs interfering with each other. install one by one and see if that makes a difference, you might come to realize something. If you want to just uninstall those programs you should use an advanced uninstaller like TMS or SK Tools to make sure you change the registry settings.
I'd really suggest grabbing a visual kitchen and making your own custom ROM. It is really simple and in my case has been the most stable and quickest ROM i've used to date.
thats just the Windows Mobile messaging... its horrible, they should make a new one lol, Like Handcent SMS for android, that is like THE best texting app. but about the issue, it sounds like you just need to purge your SMS, I do it once a week,but I also do a PIM backup before so, just incase
I do.
I purge it every day. I delete everything, and then I empty out the deleted messages if that's what you mean. It pisses me off. Her phone has virtually nothing on it. It's completely stock. I know there isn't anything interfering with it.
same problem here.
No solution here, but I can more further identify the problem....
Does this seem accurate?
When I select a text message from the message inbox, it displays the message just like a normal reply window with the keyboard at the bottom, but then takes a second or so and then the keyboard hides and the message is displayed full screen and the reply area with the cursor loses focus. Then I have to click in the reply box at the bottom at which point the keyboard has to pop up again and resize the message. The action is as if I have touched the message itself which would of course expand the message and minimize the keyboard.
I was originally thinking it is a left-over phantom touch from the previous screen but that has been ruled out. Maybe this is a timing issue in the registry? It doesn't seem like it. It happens with every new message that you want to reply to. I'm at a total loss, but very annoyed by this. The email section works fine. I see a list of messages, I select one, if I choose to reply, the message pops up and the cursor appears inline right where I should type and the keyboard pops up at the same time. Once I have replied to a message, even if I reboot the phone, if I go back to a message I have replied to the keyboard is already up with the cursor focused in the reply box. I don't know why it doesn't do this when a new message comes in. Maybe it thinks you need more space to read the message, but this is silly considering text messages are usually very short….ie Short Messaging Service…
I saw someone else post that this is just sucky windows messaging. Well, it didn't do this on my Treo 750 with WM6.1. But there I had a regular keyboard, not a software keyboard on a touch screen.
So my guess is that something in the messaging system may be looking for the hardware keyboard and assuming we have it open and displaying the messages full screen.
So what I think we really need to ask is if there is a way to force the keyboard to just be open and put the cursor focus in the reply box when I open a new text message by default?
Alternatively, is there a messaging replacement that eliminates this problem?
Hi all,
I've a Samsung SGS and I got the offical 2.2 update then rooted with z4root and installed OCLF. What a difference, the phone absolutely flies along.
Since then I've replaced the stock dialer with "Dialer One" which works really well (I tried aTAKEphONE but didn't like it), installed the Whatsapp IM client as a lot of my contacts have BlackBerry's and Whatsapp is a cross platform IM client and also installed the PhoneUseage app to keep track of my VF plan and not allow them to screw me each month for out of plan useage.
I now have two problems which I feel are related to installation of the above apps but have no way of proving it.
1. From time to time when I hit the "Home" icon the phone returns to the home screen but only displays the bottom four apps and it takes up to 20 seconds to refresh the home screens (I have a total of 5 home screens) with the other icons and widgets. This is a serious Lag which seems to be preceeded very briefly by the aplication I am exiting blowing up in size by a huge magnitude i.e. if I am running the Internet app and I hit the home screen for an instant the internet page I was looking at appears to zoom in to the maximum amount (literally a split second) then it switches to the main home screen with just the four bottom apps and then up to 20 seconds later the rest of the homescreen icons and widgets appear. During the 20 seconds the phone seems 'hung' but afterwards it flies along again. This only happens intermittently and not on exiting any one particular application as far as I can tell. Thoughts anyone?
2. I am unable to remove the missed calls notification from either the drop down notification area (when I tap on the notification it doesn't bring me to the missed calls list on Dialer One) and the same applies to the orange jigsaw notification if the phone is locked i.e. if I unlock by moving the orange jigsaw piece with the number of missed calls on it to the appropriate spot when I lock the screen again and go to unlock it I am still presented with the missed calls jigsaw. I suspect this has something to do with the notification actions looking for the stock dialer app whereas I'm running Dialer One but I'd appreciate your thougths if you've had a similar issue and how you resolved it. The only way I'm able to remove the missed calls notifications is by doing a battery pull which is a royal pain in the ass.
Lastly, I'd appreciate it if someone can tell me why certain apps show up in the list of apps displayed by the Automatic Task Killer app and others don't? Dialer One being a good example. I've installed the app and it's now my default dialer but it doesn't show up in the Automatic Task Killer list of apps, same with the Whatsapp IM app.
I look forward to getting your thoughts.
Ben
try replacing oclf with z4mod...
Well you do use apps that's mess with you system.
You don't need an other task killer.
I don't think its Oclf fault.
But you can always try a custom kernel and a better lagfix.
Sent from GT-I9000 jpo. My own kernel for z4mod and with 342MB Ram
I like the stock Messages app for its "favorites bar" and the direct-call motion functionality, but i can't stand that it turns the screen on every time a new message comes in. It is a problem when the phone is in my pocket and a message comes in and the contact between my phone and my leg (even through my pocket!) causes my phone to do things - or at least sit there and make noise as it tries to unlock. I'm using Google's Messenger app for the time being, but i don't like it as much. I think this used to be an option in the Messages app on my Note 2. Any suggestions? Thank you,
--Brandon--