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Creating a ROM image

Hi all
From some research i've been doing i think i need to create a ROM image but i'll tell you my problem and let you recomend me a solution.
Basically i need to setup 30 PDA's (XDA Argon's running WM5.0) These PDA's will be running a program called service director and also have TOMTOM installed. What i need to be able to do is be able to create an "image" that i can just copy to each PDA to speed up deployment. It would also be useful should there be any problems in the field with the PDA's that they could just be hard reset back to their modified state after deployment. E.g with Service Director and TomTom installed. I have found out that if i create a folder on a memory card with a directory name of 2577 and put my .cabs in there that they will automatically be installed on insertion of the card. This could also be beneficial to me, but i don't think that it would be robust enough, especially if they drop the device and put their memory card back in after its popped out.
So what do you think my best options would be?
Thanks for any help in advance and if you need any info, just let me know.
Thanks
Andy

kingpin83 said:
Hi all
From some research i've been doing i think i need to create a ROM image but i'll tell you my problem and let you recomend me a solution.
Basically i need to setup 30 PDA's (XDA Argon's running WM5.0) These PDA's will be running a program called service director and also have TOMTOM installed. What i need to be able to do is be able to create an "image" that i can just copy to each PDA to speed up deployment. It would also be useful should there be any problems in the field with the PDA's that they could just be hard reset back to their modified state after deployment. E.g with Service Director and TomTom installed. I have found out that if i create a folder on a memory card with a directory name of 2577 and put my .cabs in there that they will automatically be installed on insertion of the card. This could also be beneficial to me, but i don't think that it would be robust enough, especially if they drop the device and put their memory card back in after its popped out.
So what do you think my best options would be?
Thanks for any help in advance and if you need any info, just let me know.
Thanks
Andy
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do the 2577 option but create an autorun program that installs the cab files and then deletes the 2577 folder, thus it wont re-install when the cab is re-inserted

That's ok, but then the engineer would then have to send the card back to us so that we could set it up again. E.g the card would only allow them to set the software back up once and then they would have to send the PDA back to us for us to reconfigure it should it go wrong again. We can't really afford to do this as they need the PDA to find their next job/update jobs etc and can't really afford to have it sent back to us everytime it goes wrong.

well there is currently no way flashing custom ROM's to the xda argon (HTC Panda?) and wont be until one or more devs get thier hands on one so burining it into the rom isnt an option. the only thing I can think of is to have it ask if you want to install the software when it is inserted rather than doing it automatically.

I didnt think it wouldve been available yet. Oh well, looks like i'll have to make it do it via the memory card for the moment. Like all brilliant companies mine just told me, here's what we want, now go and make it happen! Haha!
I take it the card will need to have some kind of .inf file on it to ask you whether you want to install it or not. I would try it, but my company havent even given me the PDA to play with yet.
All i have is an SPV M500(My own old phone) and knowing my luck, they won't work the same with the software we're using.

In that case, why dont you have the autorun RENAME the folder instead of delete it. Your users should then be able to rename it back in case of need (they should be able to do that!), and do the insert sd card thing.
kingpin83 said:
That's ok, but then the engineer would then have to send the card back to us so that we could set it up again. E.g the card would only allow them to set the software back up once and then they would have to send the PDA back to us for us to reconfigure it should it go wrong again. We can't really afford to do this as they need the PDA to find their next job/update jobs etc and can't really afford to have it sent back to us everytime it goes wrong.
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Why not on original installation have it delete the file from the folder and also have in the same folder a IE web shortcut to the original file on a Company server that would allow them to download the file again into the same folder, assuming they would have an internet connection and the file is not too large to download and you can direct the download to that particular folder?
They could then take out the card and re-insert it to automatically install the program again.
Maybe a poopoo idea, but I guess worth a thought?
Good luck
C

the autorun folder is the same for all devices with wm5/6 so thats fine and you would haev to write a progra to do it, not an inf.
if you cant do it yourself im sure someone else on the forum wouldnt mind for a modest donation (myself included)

kingpin83 said:
Basically i need to setup 30 PDA's.
What i need to be able to do is be able to create an "image" that i can just copy to each PDA to speed up deployment.
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A software called SPB Clone was specifically designed to meet this need:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/clone/?en
Regards

question for P3300

Hi all,
Is it possible to make my Artemis to work (with desktop PC) like USB hardware (hasp) hardlock key if I already have a dump file of that dongle key?
I need some kind of emulator for my Artemis to communicate with other PC like different hardware (USB) dongles when different Dump files are loaded in on the Pocket PC.

Well you need activesync inorder to see "my device" in "my computer" then you just can treat it like a hard disk drive. Not really sure why you'd do this though considering its a bit of a big flash disk?

try:
wm5storage
softick card export

Ok, but I don't need my Artemis to emulate card reader.
I want some kind of emulator for my Artemis to communicate with other PC like different hardware (USB) dongles when different Dump files are loaded in software on the Pocket PC.
I need my PC to "think" when Pocket PC is connected and this software is started on the pocket PC with current dump file that this device is one of this USB Hardlock (HASP) dongles, not Pocket PC.
Thanks in advance

shoonari said:
try:
wm5storage
softick card export
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wm5storage does the work.

Just change your windows . If you use the new and "improved" vista it will be recognized as a mass storage device (after a few updates are automaticaly installed). For all other computers I use a bluetooth dongle

re
Thank you all for the posts.
Unfortunately all answers are wrong.
May be nobody of you understand my question.
However.
Cheers

Copying files no work no more!

Howdy,
Did a search but didn't find topic?
First mistake, Dnloaded and installed latest AT&T 6 Rom to me Hermes!
Second mistake, have Vista Home Prem (ugh!) Build 6000, and
had Windows Mobile Device Center installed and worked on Win Mobile 5. Could copy and paste files to SD card!
Installed on the new Rom, now I tick WMDC > Connect > GO to SD card > to paste file / app etc and get billies
"The copy and paste has failed. The device has either stopped responding or has been disconnected!"
Even tho I can see files on SD card on laptop!
So I uninstall billies WMCD reboot laptop and reinstall WMCD and same error!
Now I can see the files on the SD Card, move the files around on the SD Card but no copy to SD card??????? I don't have a card reader as I used Win 5 and didn't need another reader!
Any suggestions, workarounds (besides getting rid of billies silly junk.)
Help please!

Hi,
Look here, i had similar problems.
After I formatted the SD card, it worked again without problems.
wfg
Starbase64

starbase64 said:
Hi,
Look here, i had similar problems.
After I formatted the SD card, it worked again without problems.
wfg
Starbase64
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Hey thanks and fast reply,
I will try formatting sd card if I can find a way to back it up to something!
Does anyone know of a free online Back up site that I could back up sc card with Sktools bkup?
WOW have to much great stuff on it from xda forums!
I rally don't mean to add an off topic situation, but this also started when I installed the AT&T Rom. . .
The other problem that I just found out is that the sound is on, I can hear WM player out of device, but don't have sound for Skype with or w/o headset. As I can connect to call, hear the mic on called phone, the caller hears me but I don't hear the called sound on device or head set???? Im using fling and am connected with wifi, to Skype!
At least it's charging off usb sync, which is one thing that works!
If I can't discuss anothe problem with this New Rom here please move to right place and send a forward!
I really like this board, so I don't want to do anything wrong!
Thanks

Hey there,
I did a defrag SD card NO work!
Than I did a format
Connected (thats what it says but not what it does) and copy and past NO go. . . same error!
Tried to install Sk Tools, (from pc to device as before) and no go, same error of disconnected or what ever? And since I can't do a restore form pc to device, no copy, than None of my SD base apps work, Sk Tools, fling, etc!
So is the SD corrupt!
I vista corrupt (that's a dumb Q)?
Is WMCD corrupt that was working before my new Hard Drive replacement!
Or what?
Oh yea thank you for any replys!

I am also have the same problem.
Hello to all,
I am also have the same problem. Not with the sd card but with the build-in memory. I have installed the windows vista with WMDC 6.0.
I think this problem is with the OS or with the WMDC 6.0.
Because I have an another pc with windows xp installed and there is NO problem with it. Copy and past will work perfect.
I having HTC Wizard that is qtek 9100 with WM6, NBD 9.2 installed.
If any one find the solution please let me know also.
Also conection via bluetooth to WMDC 6.0 it also not possible trying to find the solution but no luck . It will work in fine with winxp but not with the vista.
Please help.........
Many Thanks
Srikanth.K

Madefree,
I would suggest a couple of things:
- flash a different rom to your device, eg a WM 6.0 from Schaps.
- review the MrVANX guides (www.mrvanx.org).
Let us know how you get on.
WB

Thanks wacky banana,
Well at least I know its not the SD card as I tried another with the same irritating gates error message!
I uninstalled and reinstalled WMDC three times and still no file transfer> I have to do any transfers with a cardreader! So I don't know if I can do an upgrade on the ROM as I really want to (as ATT 6 was really a downgrade!)
Thanks. . . .
I went to that link and they are upgrading the site. The following is stated at the ever begining . . .
.....Now make sure your device is on and activesync (or for vista users the WMDC) is running on your PC, connect up your device and allow it to sync. When this is done run "RUUWrapper.exe":.....
RUUWrapper.exe wasn't a link to a download so I guess "searching" is on really first on the "how to" list!
Thanks for the links and the reply, greatly appreciate any and all help at this point!
Have a good one!

How to upgrade my Qtek 9100 (HTC Wizard)?
Hello,
Sorry I wrote wrong ROM version. It is NBD 9.2 installed, NOT NBD 9.3.
Thanks
Srikanth.k

Well DUH ATT 6 allowed me to copy to a file, but only to inside the SD card from the PC but not to the card directly (root) w/o a folder to put it in!
Active Sync works but not DUH WMDC (whatever) crashed twice in one day so Im stick with clicking on My PC > than on HTC device, than Active Sync works better than DUH other option billy made!
It's a vista thing all DUH way!
Hey wacky banana took you fine advice and downladed Schaps.WWM 6.1 Pro FULL ROM and with the excellent RRU packed with it got RID of ATT's "stuff"
Still can't transfer to root of SD, unless I do it thru a cardreader, but at least I don't have DUH branded bulk! Just need to delete (turn off duh startup sounds, so everyone around don't growl at me when I reboot!
Mighty fine ROM thx for the suggestion . . . . gotta do a donate!
Later!

Copy file worked!
Hello
The problem was with the K-a-s-p-e-r-s-k-y AV that I was been installed. It was blocking me to copy the files to my PDA. When I uninstalled the app it worked perfect without any errors.
Please anyone know which is the best antivirus.....
Thanks to all.......
Srikanth.K
India

How to unlock Car PC using Windows CE 5.0

Hi
I have the following Car PC A2270P from Roadrover ( http://www.roadrover.cn/E/productshow.asp?id=49&mnid=19046 ).
Tech specs :
- CPU 400MHZ (manufacturer unknown)
- 128 MB DDR RAM
- 128 MB NAND Flash
- Windows CE 5.0 ( as written in the user manual )
It has a USB port (that reads only flash USB)
It has a SD slot
In the shipped SD 1 GB card, a GPS Navigation application Route66 was included "Navigate7.exe". It is launched by pressing "NAVI" button
Once installed in my car, I found that Windows mobile was "locked" .
Only *.txt and audio and video files can be browsed and executed.
I can not install any additional application on the SD card.
In the SD card I tried the following :
- added dll included in "packdllxania.zip"
- added GSFinder.exe (file explorer), renamed it "Navigate7.exe" instead of the Route66 application.
- Pressed the "NAVI" button hoping that GSFinder will be launched instead of the GPS application. But I got an error message saying that the GPS application could not start
Do you have any idea how to :
- backup the installed Windows and applications
- unlock the installed Windows in order to have a "real" Car PC on which I can install my programs
Thanks for your help

try to get ITaskMgr, rename it to Autorun.exe and move into "2577" dir on SD card. Insert card after boot process. You will need select Process tab and terminate any app which look like carsystem menu

Sorry for this delay, but it is not very convenient to transport laptop to the parking in order to do the experiments in my car.
Anyhow, I tried the following with TaskMgr for WinWM2003SE
- with a new SD card : created directory 2577 and copied in it TaskMgr.exe, renamed it to Autorun.exe, inserted it in the Car PC, started it : nothing happened, the normal choice menu appeared as usual. I pressed the button "NAVI" and had the message "enter activation code". It seems that only the original SD card can be used.
- with the original SD card : created directory 2577 and copied in it TaskMgr.exe, renamed it to Autorun.exe, inserted it in the Car PC, started it : nothing happened, the normal choice menu appeared as usual.
Then, I copied TaskMgr in the root, renamed it "Navigate7.exe" (original GPS program" then pressed the button "NAVI" and had the message "could not launch GPS application".
It seems that the Car PC vendor deactivated the boot from the SD card.
Do you have any other suggestion ?

Do you have any idea how Windows mobile was locked in that case ?
I checked the different connections in the back of the Car PC, none suggests a USB connection equivalent to the one used to connect to a laptop via ActiveSynch.
Is there is any program or trick that can bypass the default start menu ?

In the past, I had a Medion GPS with WinCE4. I found a method on Internet to unlock it by accessing from a Laptop, via ActiveSynch, to the internal files and applications. By modifying the default application, I was able to install other programs.
For my Car PC, do you know how to access to the internal files ?
As I have a CD-DVD reader in my Car PC, do you think that I can use a bootable CD ? Does it exist for Windows Mobile ?

Hello!
I saw this topic, and i looking for some help!
I have an 2 din car dvd gps unit..the only problem, that the resolution of the screen is 480x234, but in gps mode is using only 320x240..so if i set the resolution in my navigation software is not fit on the screen!
My question, how can i change the resolution of my win ce 5.0?
I can ran every program..i tried totalcommanderce, but i cant access right now the start menu and the whole win ce is almost chinese..i dont care install softwares on it, i just want to change the resolution!
Thank you for your help!
Janaboy

Hi
I have the following Car PC sdbt79nv from Lanzar ( http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...+SDBT79NV.html ).
Tech specs :
- CPU 400MHZ (manufacturer unknown)
- 128 MB DDR RAM
- 128 MB NAND Flash
- Windows CE 5.0 ( as written in the user manual )
It has a USB port (that reads only flash USB)
It has a SD slot
In the shipped SD 2 GB card, with preloaded maps of usa canada and mexico a GPS Navigation application igo8 was included. It is launched by pressing "NAVI" button
Once installed in my car, I found that Windows mobile was "locked" .
Only *.txt and audio and video files can be browsed and executed.
I can not install any additional application on the SD card.
In the SD card :
there is only the maps.
the navigation program is in the unit.
i am fron greece and i tried to put the greek maps but i cant put the licence of the map because i canot comunicate with the unit.
i tried to connect via active sync and nothing done.
i tried also to connect a usb keyboard but again nothing
Do you have any idea how to :
- put the license of the igo8 in the unit or how to change the navigation programm
- unlock the installed Windows in order to have a "real" Car PC on which I can install my programs
Thanks for your help

If you want a new navigation software for your car, try this website.
http://www.gpsunderground.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4874
There is all solution for that!
try this, it's a little easy.
Have nice day.

Hello guys,
I own an HTC HD2.
I am looking for a windows mobile car pc (Din 1, DVD, GPS, BT, USB, 7 inch touch screen...) because I don't want to wait 1-2 minutes for the boot up of an XP-baed car-pc.
1) Do you recommend any WM car-PCs?
2) If there is no such a device, what is the best car-Pc that I can use by hacking it in order to be able to install other wm softwares such as google maps, games, dictionnaries etc ?
3) What is the optimal case for me since I already own the HTC HD2 in conjunction with my future car-pc (the HD2 does not support video-out).
Since I am new into this world and need some guidance...
Thank you in advance

welcome!
I have No name car unit (like FVpower 1 din)
Sound look like low cost radio car. (I lost all bass )
CD reader on unit is the same like 24,99€ DVD player.
If you use gps unit, you can find somme software who can play MP3 with good equiltzer.
soud is better with that.
I don't know for good unit (pionner, LG or other...) but the WINCE of unit do an HARD RESET when you turn of unit. (I did good plug, +12 and ingnation) maybe the CR2032 battery is out..
I have to start a Mortscript all time if i want show the desktop (Desktop without shortcut...)
So don't worry, good new, Time of GPS fix is very quickly! ( 10sec Max)
Bye

I had a similar issue with the hp ipaq 310 some time ago - my process is outlined here:
http://tamsppc.tamoggemon.com/2008/08/07/the-great-ipaq-310-jailbreak/
However, there is not much to gain here in most cases: windows ce.net NOT windows mobile...

Take a good quality mainstream car DVD audio or AV player, and add screens as you need. Go for mainstream brands and not cheap stuff. There is a quality difference, and auto electronics lifetime is greater than consumer electronics stuff, where the life is assumed to be 18-24 months within which you get the new generation to keep the gravy train rolling. Cars, on the other hand would use an audio system for about 5 years, so it needs to be better engineered..
Hope it would be helpful.

RoadRover all-in-one in-dash Chinese GPS Unit
I also have a RoadRover GPS unit. The unit functions well. I am very pleased with it.
However, for example, some pop-up screens do not stay visible for long enough before reverting back to the main window.
The iPod screen enables you to connect to the iPod. You can then press a button and the Song/Track/Album titles are displayed. You can then use some arrows to scroll down the window. Unfortunately the pop-up windows has a limited life. You do not get long enough to read what is in the window before it disappears. You then have to repeat the rigmarole again and again trying to get to the bottom of the screen before it disappears.
I would like to change this behaviour if possible.
I have loaded MioPocket and tried it out. But I prefer ceFFM .
My question is this.
How can I copy the OEM software over to a memory card?
I would like to use a winCE emulator (like this one) and try to learn what the OEM software does and then modify it.

to OP:
I vaguely seem to remember rooting Win CE based GPS a while ago. The method was similar to what was suggested about Autorun.exe.
I remember having exactly same problem.
The solution was to realize that the unit run from another directory, not the one I was patching. The directory content was the same or very similar, but the actual runtime file structure was created froma directory I didn't look at at first.
So, look around. May-be search for a directory name or a file name, and see if you can find it buried within some other seemingly obscure directory. Good luck.

Chinese 2-din GPS Unit
Descent2 said:
I vaguely seem to remember rooting Win CE based GPS a while ago. The method was similar to what was suggested about Autorun.exe.
I remember having exactly same problem.
The solution was to realize that the unit run from another directory, not the one I was patching. The directory content was the same or very similar, but the actual runtime file structure was created froma directory I didn't look at at first.
So, look around. May-be search for a directory name or a file name, and see if you can find it buried within some other seemingly obscure directory. Good luck.
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Thanks. Good advice.
I discovered, running ceFFM, that the unit stores some files in places called StaticStore as well as NAND Flash. NAND Flash I think is where ceFFM has saved its files because I found a folder with that name there. Inside is a folder called installation.
On the other hand StaticStore contains 4 folders. Namely
App
D2280
P1.0-MV2.0-TV1-302A-R
pp12060063650000
The last two folders are empty so must be placeholders or something.
App contains 4 executables- docviewer.exe, pdfviewer.exe, presviewer.exe,XLS.EXE. Self explanatory. There also 21 dll files here as well with cryptic names that seem to be associated with the 4 executables. I get this!
D2280 contains 6 folders ; Fonts, Photo,PLAYER,Poem,Skins,Telephone. It also contains a number of executables;
DebugLog.exe ... a debugger I guess!
DVDPlayer.exe ... DVD player
Go.exe ... a game
iPod.exe ... the iPod app
Manager.exe ... this one loads the GUI. I have managed to load it in all its glory in the emulator.
Mp3Player.exe ... mp3 player
NoteBook.exe ... notebook app
Othello.exe ... a game I think
PhotoViewer.exe ... an image viewer
Radio.exe ... the radio app
SysSet.exe ... I think it sets up where the naviagtor software is located.
Telephone.exe ... to sync with the mobile phone.
​As well as these 12 programs/executables/Apps there are 9 DLL files, 1 LANG.EXP, 4 ini files, 1 GUI.DLL.txt file (certificate signer?)
I was hoping to find an iPod ini file.
I don't know if the DLL files can be examined, but none seem to have any reference to the iPod app.
Stumped.

need help
please explain how u run ceFFM.
thanks
phillat5dock said:
Thanks. Good advice.
I discovered, running ceFFM, that the unit stores some files in places called StaticStore as well as NAND Flash. NAND Flash I think is where ceFFM has saved its files because I found a folder with that name there. Inside is a folder called installation.
On the other hand StaticStore contains 4 folders. Namely
App
D2280
P1.0-MV2.0-TV1-302A-R
pp12060063650000
The last two folders are empty so must be placeholders or something.
App contains 4 executables- docviewer.exe, pdfviewer.exe, presviewer.exe,XLS.EXE. Self explanatory. There also 21 dll files here as well with cryptic names that seem to be associated with the 4 executables. I get this!
D2280 contains 6 folders ; Fonts, Photo,PLAYER,Poem,Skins,Telephone. It also contains a number of executables;
DebugLog.exe ... a debugger I guess!
DVDPlayer.exe ... DVD player
Go.exe ... a game
iPod.exe ... the iPod app
Manager.exe ... this one loads the GUI. I have managed to load it in all its glory in the emulator.
Mp3Player.exe ... mp3 player
NoteBook.exe ... notebook app
Othello.exe ... a game I think
PhotoViewer.exe ... an image viewer
Radio.exe ... the radio app
SysSet.exe ... I think it sets up where the naviagtor software is located.
Telephone.exe ... to sync with the mobile phone.
​As well as these 12 programs/executables/Apps there are 9 DLL files, 1 LANG.EXP, 4 ini files, 1 GUI.DLL.txt file (certificate signer?)
I was hoping to find an iPod ini file.
I don't know if the DLL files can be examined, but none seem to have any reference to the iPod app.
Stumped.
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hallo guys,
I have very big problem. I have chinese car dvd player. it is erisin and it is windows ce 6.0 based. I had some issues with the device and installed ceFFM. i started the program and restored the factory settings. After that something happened and in navi section the touch screen acts very inaccurate and i can't access anything even the original calibration menu. Although ceFFM is installed i can't connect the device with my pc.
please help me guys i tried everything i found on the web

[Q] how to install apps ?

hi i am new to the htc hd mini and i am finding very hard to find good info on what to do with it maybe its still new, but how do i install apps i have downloaded a few themes/apps and not having any joy of putting them on the the phone sure i have put them on the memory card but can't install them from there i have downloaded the activesync (running win xp) and that don't install apps. so i am stuck it was quicker and easy to jailbreak the ipod touch and put apps on there. where am i going wrong ?
many thanks a confused hd mini owner.
p.s
now i know there is no compass on it (one of the things i was looking forward to using)
also while looking on youtube there was a clip where someone is doing street view or somethink like and moving the phone about and the street image moved too, also i was told that using google maps with the layers i could find a shop with it..i think this must be for another phone.
apart from this its still a nice little phone would be much better if i could get some of the above working.

App extensions are CAB it's like seeing zip or rar file on PC.
to check the file extension in your PC go to Folder Option > View Tab > Remove tick from Hide Extension...
move cab files in your Storage card then in file explorer from your phone click on them and if prompt Microsoft security choose Yes and finally choose where to install applications.
in case your application is EXE: connect your phone to your PC via Active Sync and then run the file from PC... Follow the on screen instructions.

thanks emrause i shall try this when the phone wants to connect to the pc this morning for some unknown reason it don't want to connect to the pc i have tryed a data drive and getting no luck and only once did i did it will activesync but nothink happend...almost pulling my hair out here...wish they would have made the phone a bit more user friendly

flashmaster30 said:
thanks emrause i shall try this when the phone wants to connect to the pc this morning for some unknown reason it don't want to connect to the pc i have tryed a data drive and getting no luck and only once did i did it will activesync but nothink happend...almost pulling my hair out here...wish they would have made the phone a bit more user friendly
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its not about phone...check your firewall settings(disable it while phone is connected to pc,this is what i do)..also make sure u have activesync installed

well i have finaly put the apps on my card after deleting activesync, but 1 out of 3 i could install and this was richessegps but did not work after install, but skype and where is i couldn't even install they are but i click on the setup and takes me to a webpage full of writing so i am giving it up as a bad job today..maybe try it in a few weeks

install net framework 3.5 .many apps requires it
also not all apps will work on mini cuz of its resolution...

flashmaster30 said:
i click on the setup and takes me to a webpage full of writing
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That's because you have extracted .cab file, before transfering it to device.

just like to say thanks i have at last installed some apps and i know how to work it now looking forward to some good apps now.