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Exchange SP2 Push Mail Providers

Hi all,
Just upgrading to new Imate ROM. Now it seems that Universal has push email can anyone recommend an Exchange SP2 direct push email provider for consumer market? Many thanks for taking the time to read.
Tom C (UK) :lol:

The onlyone I know for the moment is 4smartphone.net - if you find any better (means cheaper), let me know!

Some report are saying 4smartphone.net takes 30 seconds to push an email to your device, rather than 5 seconds or less that others are getting via their own exchange servers.
Its worth asking these website exchange account providers what frequency they run the push 'heartbeat' at - you might end up with a big bill if they haven't set the Exchange/firewall to a reasonable rate.

Device SMS Address
I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?

Re: Device SMS Address
rossp said:
I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?
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If you're using the aku2 rom then you don't need an sms address. The MSFP/Direct Push works via http not sms. Waaaaaay better!

Settings
I think it is that version. I'm using the new ROM version 1.30.68 with Radio version 1.09.00. I can see the push mail icon in Comm Manager, but it's greyed out, so I'm not sure where to go from here. The 4smartphone support pages are not exactly informative.
Can anyone point me to a website about setting this up? My searches are not getting me far.
Thanks.

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jdee246 said:
rossp said:
I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?
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If you're using the aku2 rom then you don't need an sms address. The MSFP/Direct Push works via http not sms. Waaaaaay better!
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Is the AKU2 ROM available?
Where?
Thanks
Steve

Its a test aku2 universal rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42743

Got it working
Just need to ignore the instructions on the 4smartphone web page about SMS Device.
From the moment of clicking send on my Desktop to the email arriving in my device inbox the time taken is about 25 secs, which includes gmail forwarding it to the 4smartphone address.

4smartPhone Help!!
Glad to hear that you got the SMS problem sorted which help me out too. I can now sync with contacts but what do I do for the email. Do I have to set an account up on WM5 which I have done but there is no push coming through I have to manually send and receive. Any help much welcome. Thanks

You need to set it up using active sync in WM5. You will need to add a server (secure.4smartphone.net) then your username, password and domain (4smartphone). It will then sync using the GPRS connection.
I've got Outlook desktop, Outlook Web Access (with smartphone) and Outlook on WM5 all synchronizing nicely. My only problem is that I have three pop email account on Outlook desktop, but 4smartphone only seems to work with one.

And just to add the obvious, you need to have email being forward to the address that you got @smartphone.com

Re: Device SMS Address
rossp said:
I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?
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4Smartphone.net are US based, where email to SMS is very common. It took the Americans about three years to wake up to the fact that everyone else in the world has to pay for SMS messages to be sent - hence the new push technology from Microsoft.
What they are referring to is a feature known as AUTD (always up to date) which is how Exchange used to do push. A specially created SMS text message would be sent to your phone which told your device that something had changed, and it would then do a sync.
I am told that it worked very well - it is just unfortunate that for everyone outside of the USA the feature would cost many thousands to run for each single user.
Simon.

4smartPhone Help!!
Thanks for your quick reply. I have forwarding set up and all the correct settings for Active Syn in WM5, UserName, Password, Domain and Save password. Under the Options in ActiveSync there now appears and Exchange Server with the following selected Contacts, Calendar, E-Mail, Tasks.
I'm still not sure though what to do with the email all the above are syncing via 3g. In the Messages section do I have to create a new account and if so what are the correct setting for this?
Thanks again for the help and suggestions.
Tom C.

When it syncs with the Exchange server it automatically goes into the Outlook email inbox on your device. If you've previously been synchronizing with the desktop it wipes out those emails, which is why I'm trying the Pro version of 4smartphone and synchronising all three.
Have you checked if test emails you are sending are reaching the 4smartphone email address? You can do that by logging into the web version of Outlook via the link on their website.
Also the push email icon in Com Manager should now be working and it will say Microsoft DirectPush at the top.
That may not be much help, but I am also completely new to this.

4smartPhone
Once again thanks for the help. Just about got it sorted as I read your reply. The missing link for me is that the you don't have to sent up a seperate email account I was looking for server addresses extra but all those go under ActiveSync. Getting mails fine now but not too sure yet about sending them. Are yours sending fine or is there a delay?
Thanks again, you are still once step ahead of me

I've got Push email working with mail2web.com and have a few questions:
I've gota couple of email addresses that won't forward to my mail2web email account and I don't really want to use mail2web's harvester as that only checks once every hour, so I was wondering whether it's possible to set Outlook on my PC to synce with my mail2web account so that my PC will download emails from my POP accounts, then upload them to my mail2web server, which then pushes the emails to my phone?
Or is there a simpler way to do it?
Also, when I reply to an email that's been pushed the reply address is always my mail2web email address, which is a pain as it confuses people and gets rejected by my email groups. How can I change the default address that my replies go from, or even just change them on each email as I reply?
I'm sure I'll have more questions soon.! Cheers.

paulrockliffe said:
Or is there a simpler way to do it?
Also, when I reply to an email that's been pushed the reply address is always my mail2web email address, which is a pain as it confuses people and gets rejected by my email groups. How can I change the default address that my replies go from, or even just change them on each email as I reply?
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Yup, use 4smartphones.net.
IT'S FOUR QUID A MONTH!

HI
i m using tmobie mda (usa) with the data plan and with the i can configure my pop3 email account on my phone and make to get the emails automaticaly after certain time
so then why do we need exchange server for
i mean i can be wrong too but if i m wrong can someone tell me the right thing
Thanks

I recommend Mail2Web, the simple setting and most important it is FREE.

EMOZE Push E-mail

any of you guys come across this app.. it's for getting push e-mail without an ms exchange server.
question: has anyone got a way round applying this to hotmail? i think the trick is to get outlook to accept hotmail and then use this app.
also, i'm running on vista so this isn't yet compatible.. anyone aware of a similar app - i can use with my hotmail - that'll do the trick?
thanks guys..

Free push email
Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.

palmbluetooth said:
Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
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But this doesn't support Hotmail does it?
I'm looking for a Hotmail solution... anyone?

Just forward you emails from hotmail to mail2web ..

xaoc said:
Just forward you emails from hotmail to mail2web ..
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sorry to be a pain... don't think i can forward my hotmail messages... can i?
are you able to explain how to do this and any implications?
cheers...

I have had a quick look at this app and it seems like a good thing to me - bearing in mind I've seen other push email accounts charging £15 a month.
I have a couple of questions though, someone here might know the answer.
AIUI the email is delivered over GPRS so you need to be connected all the time.
so the first question is what sort of data gets transferred if you are connected all the time but not actually downloading anything? for example if you look at your broadband connection, even when you are not using it, small amounts of data are sent/received periodically. over the course of the day this could quite easily add up!!
next question is, although I have an O2 Orbit, I'm not actually on O2. I have a temporary T-Mobile sim card while I wait to start my new job and they give me my new phone (I'll just take the sim out and put it in my orbit). I have only seen an option to set up the configuration for O2. Can the GPRS settings for other networks be entered manually? or will I have to remove all the O2 settings that are installed after a hard reset to enable me to do this? (not something I really want to do)
In answer to the other comments about mail2web and mail2wap. I have been using this site for years and years, the only thing is you have to connect to the web and then check your mail....you might not have any but you still have to pay to connect and transfer data. Hence the push email is a better idea as you KNOW you have mail as opposed to checking in case you MIGHT have some with mail2web.

palmbluetooth said:
Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
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My understanding is that the free Mail2Web Live product uses the older Always Up To Date technology. i.e. it sends you a silent text message when new email arrives which triggers Pocket Outlook to connect by POP or IMAP and get your mail.
That is not a push mail product. It is a triggered pull. Not bad for free, but one should be clear it does not include Direct Push... unless something has recently changed (please feel free to correct me)
Mail2Web also offer Personal Exchange, a paid hosted exchange service which has Direct Push. I personally did not like their service as I was unhappy with the Junk mail filtering they use, but their most basic hosted exchange service with Direct Push is extremely cheap... though not free.

so, let me just make sure that I understand this correctly....
the mail2web live product whilst not being a true push service does advise me that I have received an email by sending a silent SMS which tells my device to connect to the net and sync with the mail2web server to get my emails yes? (assuming I am somewhere where I have wifi or internet access)
that doesn't sound too bad....as basically what I am after is something that tells me I have an email when it arrives in my inbox. All I need is a text message telling me who it's from and the subject. That way I can decide whether I want to connect to the net and pick up the email or whether it's something that can wait.
is there anyone who offers a service like that? (I think hotmail do but I don't want to use hotmail)
many thanks

twisted-pixel said:
so, let me just make sure that I understand this correctly....
the mail2web live product whilst not being a true push service does advise me that I have received an email by sending a silent SMS which tells my device to connect to the net and sync with the mail2web server to get my emails yes?
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Sorry to the Mods if this is getting off-topic (realize this is an Artemis - Emoze thread... please move if appropriate!)
Goota be honest, it is a few months since I used any Mail2Web service so I can only report on my past experience. I recall they had fairly responsive/informative support by email and recommend you ask them directly.
I think Always Up To Date (AUTD) doesn't work quite the way you describe... not that it is bad at all, and it may well do what you need. Anyway, how it works is you would be installing a little application on your device which can recognize a special hidden/silent text message from the Exchange Server (you cannot see or read this message). It just tells you device that there is new email, that is all, Then your device switches on (screen goes on, comes out of suspend) and does a an email logon as if you had opened the relevant Pocket Outlook email account and hit the send/receive choice. It then logs on from scratch and retrieves your email (just headers or everything will based on your settings).
The good is this is may be free and can work on a pre-WM5 device. The downside is that it is much slower than true Direct Push and uses more battery. With Direct Push a handshake is already established with the Exchange Server and when you new mail arrives it drops into you mailbox within seconds without your device even needing to come out of standby. You just hear the audio alert of email arriving (depending on your prefered settings).
I tried the least expensive paid Exchange Service from mail2web. It was only about 2 USD a month with no contract so I am not complaining. I personally didn't like that, for me, it incorrectly marked almost every single message as Spam and I could not adjust this adequately unless I upgraded to their most expensive Exchange offering... which costs about the same as other similar services.
I am trying out the 1 and 1 Exchange service at present. OK, not fantastic. Probably we should have a thread specially for a good email round up... likely there is one already and I should probably be posting there....
HTH

What you need is WM6 with Windows Live!
I have a Wizard running WM6... just got my XDA Orbit on O2, WM5 :-(
On WM6, the MSN service is replaced with Windows Live, and that allows you to configure a hotmail account to sync up automatically or at specific intervals.
You can do it in WM5 using the MSN messageger with an ID linked to your hotmail acocunt, but you have to be logged in to messgencger for it to work.
If anyone can extract the Windows Live component form a WM6 rom....

I recently tried another application from qore.
The idea is that you get your emails forwarded to a service that texts you when you get an email (in my case T-Mobile offers this service). The application intercepts this text (you receive no notification, it's all done in the background) and triggers a send/receive on the email account specified on your unit. In my case connecting via GPRS and downloading my emails.
sadly, it seemed to interrupt random texts and since it's done in the background, you don't even know that the text has been intercepted. I was getting angry phone calls from my mates asking why I hadn't replied to texts, that I hadn't even seen!!

Push Email
1. Register a Hotmail account and use the included Microsoft Pocket MSN software it works!
2. Register an account with http://www.consilient.com it's free and allows push mail from many services...
Hope this helps..

Receiving email on Orbit.

I would like email "pushed" to my Orbit however, Im a bit confussed.
If I register with mail2web or port88 will that give me a new email address that people can send directly too which will be automatically pushed to my Orbit.
Or will people need to forward to my existing address, which will then need to be forwarded to mail2web and then pushed to my orbit.
Putting it simply........I would like email pushed to my PDA, can this be done through a mail2web account ONLY. IE by people sending email directly to [email protected] (for example) or does another ISP need to forward it on to mail2web first?
PLEASE PLEASE help!!
Rob.

If you have a Microsoft Exchange server delivering your email at work and you have Outlook web access, then try www.emoze.com. There's no need to change your email address with their service, it's free and gives you push email capability to your mobile device.

Push email - Morange
After a long search and not entirely satisfied with the options,
I found Morange and after speaking to the guys in Singapore, they e-mailed me a version that works on the O2 XDA Orbit. Simple and effective, worth looking in to it
http://monet.morange.com/
I started using today and it is pretty good. There are still few things to improve regarding settings, but seems that they are doing a good job.
The file is here: Best of luck.

I have been using Emoze for a couple of years now and it works very well.

the question remains the same though carlitos...do you have to have your mail forwarded to the email address given to you by morange? which is then pushed to your device?

Morange
No, it works like the Blackberry Connect as I had on the MIni S.
A copy is left on your server, and you get the first 5000 chars.
I use blueyonder and my work e-mail, it so far so good!
Hope it helps!

mail2web - Push email showing my personal email address

Hi I've just upgraded to WM6 on an Hermes and have just tried the mail2web free service. However when I send emails it shows up as comming from [email protected] (I have activated email forwarding from my personal email address). Is there anyway to show my personal email address that with the free account? or does one need to have the $5 per month account?
Thanks!

You must have a paid account to show your own address in the From: field.

Anybody know what paid service package in mail2web can change the "reply to" as my personal email address?

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Anybody know what paid service package in mail2web can change the "reply to" as my personal email address?
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Personal Exchange is what you want.
If you go into your account options, you will se where you can upgrade right there.
I tried it, and it worked fine. I actually went back to the free version, because my emails to my co-workers always bounced back since the alias wasn't from the work server (we're on a POP3 mail system).
it's something like $3 or $5 a month.
BTW if you have any problems, just email their support staff. I get great service, and within a few hours, actually.

Exchange mail services (free / trial accounts available) includes push / aliases

hey guys from Artemis forum!
had started this service out to TYTN users and figured i should spread the news around to some of the other boards. if you guys are looking for push email, please get in touch here's what i posted in the tytn forum:
I'm now offering exchange mailboxes to users (subscription based service). right now i see two, one by austindkelly in the wizard forum (he's disappeared for over a month and looks like he doens't offer his service any more) and one by denial in the kaiser section ($5/month). I thought I'd offer up a similar service starting with the hermes group (cheaper of course) with a few extra tidbits of joy...
- supports iphone exchange services, saves a heck of money over apple's mobileme service!
- outlook web access (with the advanced interface)
- 1gb quota
- both SSL as well as standard port options
- *IMAP access* - you don't even need outlook, syncs flawlessly with your phone.
- *MAPI* outlook access - hook up your outlook on your PC to sync with my service which in turn syncs with your phone. no plugging in ever needed!
- alias included (get your own email)
- changing your password through outlook web access (one-way non-reversible encryption).
I figured it's a bit of an overkill having my own exchange server that's serving a single account (i.e. mine). so why not open it up!
Price is $10 for 3 months, $19 for 6 months.
Please PM me if you're interested... I'll probably set up your account within 12 hours (probably less).
And yes, will give you unused credit money back etc etc if you're unsatisfied for whatever reason. I'm really not in this for the money, it's more to utilize something I spent hours building up, plus to cover the costs of my internet / server hardware.
And, as usual, if you need any files hosted for xda-developers just let me know, i'm already hosting over 40 ROM images and serving 5-6gb/day in ROMs from the wiki!
cheers!
free accounts:
will provide 10 rotating free accounts at any given time for test purposes, will base it off of usage. so if you use the free account, i'll keep it up indefinitely, if not then account will be removed after 14 days and given to the next person in line.
Free accounts do not have MAPI access, have 50mb storage, have no aliases either.
Depending on utilization I may increase this 10 free account limit.

few people are asking about synching from multiple sources...
from my understanding i can only give you one alias for your accounts, which means you can't select your "from." however you're free to forward as many accounts as you wish to the account i create for you, but you can only send from one "alias."
another multi-synching thing people are asking is whether you can sync calendar with your desktop and email with my service. sure!! its best that way in fact - that's what i do. i have my outlook on my desktop which has my calendar, contacts, and only sync my email via push on exchange to my server... you can even take this a step further and set up IMAP access so what you see in your email client is the same as what you'll see in your pocket outlook... if you delete from your desktop, whoosh it disappears from your PDA too

mail2web.com offer free exchange with push and 1gb limits. Been using them for a year now and there pretty good. You can also enable their email aggregator. Thisis where it picks up pop3 mail from your other mail accounts into the one.
They also offer a subscription if you want some enhanced services but it is more than yours. Used to be $2 but they more than doubled the price Not so bad for me though as Im in the UK and the exchange rate is good but still, a huge leap.

dannyoneill said:
mail2web.com offer free exchange with push and 1gb limits. Been using them for a year now and there pretty good. You can also enable their email aggregator. Thisis where it picks up pop3 mail from your other mail accounts into the one.
They also offer a subscription if you want some enhanced services but it is more than yours. Used to be $2 but they more than doubled the price Not so bad for me though as Im in the UK and the exchange rate is good but still, a huge leap.
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i used mail2web for a couple of weeks when i first got my phone their free service, however, does not support aliasing and I didn't want that. so my options were to either pay $5 a month or just set up my own server. i of course went for the latter!
the aggregator is an unnecessary feature if you ask me. any email provider that allows pop access would also allow forwarding access. forwarding would just be much much faster (i.e. instant) versus pop where you have to tell the aggregator to download email every x minutes.
but yeah, anyway, choice is always a good thing

MAPI (i.e. desktop outlook) access is now enabled
still plenty of resources to use up so drop me a line if interested!

going to take the server down for about 15-20 minutes this afternoon for a quick reboot and offline backup. planning for 3:00pm GMT. please be patient, hopefully it should be done much much faster!

Chamelion
Have you got any free accounts left ?
Also - I don't think that my ISP actually supports email forwarding (BTYahoo/BTInternet) ... so does you support email collection yet ?
** Edit - well, just for a change it appears that I'm wrong. They do support email forwarding ! Must be a new feature
Cheers
Mark

hey mark,
can set you up with a free trial account, shoot me a PM with desired username
i don't support email collection, but a workaroudn is have a gmail account pull mail via pop and forward everything to my server...

Just a note of thanks
I've been using Chamelion's mail service for about a month now...
I have an exchange server for my work mail, but just needed a fast, clean IMAP server, with no ads and resonable storage. I also get no mobile signal at home, so connect over wifi in the house, and push email rewuires a GPRS connection to work.
I have my mail polled by my device every 10 minutes, and also have an IMAP account set up on my Outlook on my work system, so I have a consolidated personal email account at Chamelion's servers. I've forwarded my personal domain mail to the server, and created cname records on my personal DNS for imap.mydomain.com and smtp.mydomain.com to go to chamelion's, so my mail setup looks totally like it's my own server!
RECOMMENDED TO EVERYONE!

TangerineTractor said:
I've been using Chamelion's mail service for about a month now...
I have an exchange server for my work mail, but just needed a fast, clean IMAP server, with no ads and resonable storage. I also get no mobile signal at home, so connect over wifi in the house, and push email rewuires a GPRS connection to work.
I have my mail polled by my device every 10 minutes, and also have an IMAP account set up on my Outlook on my work system, so I have a consolidated personal email account at Chamelion's servers. I've forwarded my personal domain mail to the server, and created cname records on my personal DNS for imap.mydomain.com and smtp.mydomain.com to go to chamelion's, so my mail setup looks totally like it's my own server!
RECOMMENDED TO EVERYONE!
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appreciate the positive review quite a setup you got going there, amazing how much you can pull off if you know what you're doing!!

Quick update regarding update in the server!
I know I've had some VERY avoidable downtimes this past few months. Because this is running on a laptop it has been unplugged from the power / ethernet while its been moved.
however good news! I've just purchased a replacement - a nice server
Specs - dual core AMD 5600+ with 2 gb RAM, 820gb storage (for those attachments ).
i'll do the switchover soon as i get the machine, should hopefully take 10-15 minutes as i just need to image the drive across.
once i get the machine i'll push up the trial accounts to 15 or 20 so if you're interested i'll post here when the migration is done and you can drop me a note
cheers!

been getting a few PMs recently about whether i still offer this (maybe its the iphone crowd finding a cheaper alternative to apple's crazy crap service!).
yes i do and i think users can attest to the fact that since the upgrade to the new server been up and running at 100% since june!
drop me a PM if any of you need service. and yes, it is compatible with the iphone - i use it on my iphone too.

quick note - yes there was a 3 hour outage between 5am and 8ish am on saturday; sorry about that. seems my ISP went down, given how short the outage was and how this was the first one in god knows how long i didn't bother spending 1/2 an hour on the phone with them figuring out what the issue was will chase it up if it happens again though!

can someone who has successfully set up outlook 07 with my service PM me with the settings they've used? i need to get some instructions on my site on how to do it, and i don't use exchange 07 myself...
thanks!

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