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Porting to new version of WM6 tommorow - questions

Hi,
I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.
The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.
Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?
Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?

the short answer is no.
reason, you will overwrite all system files in the windows directory (which includes all the registry keys/values). Therefore you will run into problem.
Best thing to do is to reinstall all your apps, operator settings etc and sync your device to get your contacts, emails, tasks notes etc back on your wmxl0.2 install.
Cheers,
.VIBE said:
Hi,
I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.
The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.
Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?
Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?
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I think this is not entirely true. You could easily restore your contacts/mail/etc. Most system files will not be overwritten as they are in ROM. Just make sure you ain't restoring files mentioned before by jasjamming.
The tricky part is registry. What I'm going to do is making a diff file between the original registry and the one I have now. Then I'll simply apply changes. I know it may not work, but it's worth trying.

Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.

I've a problem too
Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2... I miss such feature, as I can be using my notebook searching for answer first instead of asking directly via my Herems -> VNC -> Windows -> Firefox (where my forum password is saved)...

Kings Lee said:
Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2..QUOTE]
Really i use ICS via bluetooth (and usb) daily with v0.1, works a treat!
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Cyberon Voice Cammander voicetag backup/restore
.VIBE said:
Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.
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Is it Cyberon voice tag ? Google and get this utility to backup/restore voicetag database via activesync, but I haven't try it. (readme.txt attached)
http://translate.google.com/transla...h?q=vsddb&hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2007-03,GGLJ:en
Let me know the result if you gonna try it (if your's vc is cyberon ver1.2 and below)

Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.

What I am doing is reloading the apps that are on today screen or that I leave in memory when switching the device off as they need to be in main memory or extended memory to avoid the card not present issue during power up and for the rest I go into HKCU and HKLM and selectively save the keys in the Software directory. This includes the shareware key for SW registration.
I am using vmenu and saving its related registry to access the other program straight from the card so I do not have to recreate shortcuts.
I save all the registery tweaks in individual file to apply them as needed.

Yeah, that's a bummer, but I have a feeling it'll be worth it!

.VIBE said:
Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
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I don't know these voice tags, but stupid question: would synchronizing with a PC not save all contact details, including these tags (if they are part of the contact's details)? If this is so, then you could easily restore them be synchronizing again, after the upgrade.
Cheers
Daniel

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're talking about. AFIK Cyberon Voice Dialer is what uses those "Voice Tags". Without Cyberon there is no "Voice Tag" mechanism in WM.
This is why I personally prefer MS Voice Command or even Cyberon Voice Commander (both retail products), they are true voice recognition programs not voice tag comparison programs.
.VIBE said:
Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
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Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.
My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).

Not really.
weinson said:
Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.
My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).
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Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.

Opps, forgot about the Extended Rom. But then how many today plug-ins can one use?
Personally I always run my today plug-ins and MS Voice Command in main memory then everything else goes to the storage card.
Kikouyou said:
Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.
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Forget Voice Tags use MS Voice command 1.6...it's BRILLIANT. The leader earlier, was Fonix...Now MS has stepped up to the plate...and its a Home Run.
Trini

I agree MS VC is amazing...it works nearly every time. It is my primary control while driving.

Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6

To clear things up, there are three major "Voice" programs:
Microsoft Voice Command
Cyberon Voice Commander
Cyberon Voice Dialer
Cyberon Voice Dialer is the one that uses voice tags. BTW, it is the one usually embedded in Carrier Roms thus it is the only free (legally) one.
Cyberon Voice Commander has some functions that MS Voice Command doesn't (it can read full e-mails for example) but the "Say Command" prompt gets annoying after a while and it isn't as good at recgonition as the MS Product.
With v1.6 Microsoft has finally brought a complete product to the table. Unfortunately there are BT issues with our Hermes.
.VIBE said:
Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6
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Any Roms with Voice Command in ?

Hi,
Just changed my wizard for a Herme and getting myself onto the rom flash ladder here.
I cant see any roms with voice command 6 in, are there any or is there a cab I can just run?
Also can anyone recommend what radio version to use on aN Orange UK phone, just that Im on 1.38 at the moment and the reception so far is not as good as my wizard.
Sorry one other thing how do I find the IPL / SPL on this phone andwhich ones do you recommend?#
Thanks,
Dave.

try black 3.0.1

Just to be clear, some of the ROMs have Cyberon Voice Commander. None of them have MS Voice Command (nor should they, because it would be blatant stealing).

davidlucas said:
Hi,
Just changed my wizard for a Herme and getting myself onto the rom flash ladder here.
I cant see any roms with voice command 6 in, are there any or is there a cab I can just run?
Also can anyone recommend what radio version to use on aN Orange UK phone, just that Im on 1.38 at the moment and the reception so far is not as good as my wizard.
Sorry one other thing how do I find the IPL / SPL on this phone andwhich ones do you recommend?#
Thanks,
Dave.
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The black Roms include cyberon voice commander as and add-on download. It does the same as VC. Vc is not included because it's is a retail product.
for IPl/SPL, Go to the Hermes upgrading thread and check out Olipro's Hard-SPL. It install the latest IPL and the best SPL.

Thanks for the info guys.
Just installed the OLi Pro so hopefully thats now up to date.
Is the Cyberon as good as Voice commander do you know?
Then its a case of working out which rom to flash.
I'm running Faria's 3.3 on my old wizard and thats great, lots of utilities etc.
Now to work out which one for the Herme, any recommendations?
Cheers,
DAve.

davidlucas said:
Thanks for the info guys.
Just installed the OLi Pro so hopefully thats now up to date.
Is the Cyberon as good as Voice commander do you know?
Then its a case of working out which rom to flash.
I'm running Faria's 3.3 on my old wizard and thats great, lots of utilities etc.
Now to work out which one for the Herme, any recommendations?
Cheers,
DAve.
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IMHO Cyberon VC is in no way any comparision to MS VC..
Now maybe if you have never used MS VC then you would be okay using Cyberon but again just my opinion..

Couldn't say it better... If you like MS Voice Command and want it in your rom you're gonna have to cook your own personal rom.

MS VoiceCommand does have its issues (which the smart people on this board have found workarounds to), but it is lightyears ahead of Cyberon VoiceCommander.
For me the biggest difference is the fact that with Cyberon you need to create/maintain a library of "voice tags," which not only is a PITA, but it also means you can't hand your phone to somebody else and let them use voice commands.
MSVC is definitely the way to go, and IMHO t's worth every penny... I just wish it didn't hog so much RAM!

The full Cyberon thats available actually doesn't use voice tags but its still no comparision to MS VC..

thanks again for the replies.
Not having the voicetags was what I liked about vc, also that factthat while i'm driving it reads my messages.

I say "word" to all of the people speaking for VC. It is the best 40 bucks I've spent for my phone, period.

Agreed I just love the program..
I couldn't even imagine voice tagging 20+ contacts, heck even 10+ voice tags would be a pain.

Has anyone actually used ms vc and cyberon vc? Because I have been tempted to get ms vc but $40 ..... Cyberon is free and I have never had to make a voice tag, it reads my sms and email. It is tricky at times it dose not seem to like my bland California accent... I have on more than one occasion goten very frustrated with it. It seems predictive in its ability to let me down just when I need it, or want to show off my fancy phone. Is M$ really that much better? If someone that has used the full Cyberon voice comander and voice dial could tell me what about MS VC is worth the money. Thanks

Ive had MS Voice Commander for many years and loved it. I've also put up with the pain of hacking the registry everytime I flash a ROM. But with the latest WM6 ROMS I just couldn't be bothered with all the ahstle of those tweaks to only get half of the functions - like may I never managed to get the headset to ring or announce calls and as v1.6 was initially US anyway I decided to give Cyberon a try and do you know? It's great to have something that works straight away with NO tweaks at all. I have found that the voice recognition is just as good as MS VC without creating tags. The accent took a little getting used to for me but I can live with it. It doesnt appear to play media quite as well without voice tags as you have to request just the name of the track (if it begins with 01 on the tracklisting that can be quite confusing!!!). Reading emails is a bit clumsy as it reads headers and other useless bits f info you dont want to hear.
But most of all I like Cyberon because it requires no tweaks with my headsets AND as well as fairly comparable voice recognition for contacts and dialling it ALSO allows you to tag as well if you wish so you win both ways!!!
Just my two penny's worth.

Thank you so much for that responce. I would have been very disaponted to spend that kind of money and get the same or similar functionalty.

WM6 Voice Dialling

The new official HTC ANZ Dopod D810 ROM includes Cyberon's Voice Commander for voice dialling and it REALLY SUCKS!
I noticed on a WM6 Beta I installed previously that there was a different voice dialler installed, most probably a Microsoft one (but not MS VCMD 1.6 PPC version).
Does anybody have any idea how I can get hold of this new voice dialler to install on my device as it appeared so much better than the Cyberon product.

have a look in this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308931

sammy_deluxe said:
have a look in this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308931
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Thanks Sammy!

Cyberon creates folder but NOT program
I downloaded the cab and installed the file from wm6.
It created folder but had NO FILES in it.
So much of the program.
HAS SOMEONE GOT THE PROGRAM THAT WORKS?
Can you email me? I can't fint the little sucker!
Cheers
fytos

i'd say, speed voice commander

Voice tags and Voice dialing

I use an Orange SPV M3100 and have recently moved from the official WM5 AKU3 ROM to Schap's WM6 ROM which is fantastic.
I am however seeming to be missing one very useful feature (especially when driving or having limited control of the device) and that's voice dialling using pre-setup voice tags.
I have a button on the left side just below the OK button that I could press and then say the person's name and it would find the voice tag and dial their number. I can't seem to find either the voice tags options in the contacts manager, nor the voice dialling button/program so that I can use the tags.
Anyone want to shed some light on this? Was it removed from WM6 officially?
Anybody looking to reimplement it?

Starfury said:
Anyone want to shed some light on this? Was it removed from WM6 officially?
Anybody looking to reimplement it?
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Hi,
Do a search for Cyberon Voice Dialler and Cyberon Voice Commander. I can confirm that both of these work great on Schap's ROMS. Voice Dialler gives you, just that, voice dialling. Voice Commander gives you voice command over more features of your phone for example you can shout out digits and it will dial them and you can say "find joe bloggs" and it will find the contact details of joe bloggs. Voice commander needs a bit of voice training. Once done you can voice dial your contacts without even recording voice tags.
DTheTank

So has the feature been removed from the official WM6 image as it was a default feature of WM5 I believe...
and thanks by the way...

Most ROM cooks remove all vc software so us users can use what we want. Most carrier ROMS come with the lame voice tag software..So its nice to have the option to install what you like.
Either way the cabs are available so install what you like.

The only copies of Cyberon I can find seem to be a commercial product.
Is this correct? The one that came with the AKU3 WM5 ROM from Orange were free. :/

Starfury said:
The only copies of Cyberon I can find seem to be a commercial product.
Is this correct? The one that came with the AKU3 WM5 ROM from Orange were free. :/
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I think Orange, T-Mobile, etc must buy a license from Cyberon to include the software in their ROMs. So I think that, as you own an Orange M3100, you are entitled to use the Cyberon voice dialler that comes with the Orange ROMs, maybe.... I guess..

I have the AKU3 rom on my laptop can it be ripped apart and the voicedialler cab removed and installed on my schaps install?

Starfury said:
I have the AKU3 rom on my laptop can it be ripped apart and the voicedialler cab removed and installed on my schaps install?
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This has already been done by cooks and the cabs are available to download. Just to a quick search of the forum to find different builds of the voice commander and voice dialler. You can also find the latest build of the voice dialler on the Black ROM homepage www.wmblack.info. Click on the 'Are there any add-ons' link.

Help with NetMotion VPN installation into TytnII

Hi, my company has started to test NetMotion to syncronize our corporate emails with the HTC S621 (smartphone). I already own a TytnII (touch phone) and could not install the NetMotion CAB file into the TytnII, most probably because of the difference between the company's smartphone operating system and my Tytn's. Does someone have a tip on how to 'adapt' the NetMotion CAB so that it becomes installable in a TytnII touch phone, or has the touchphone version of NetMotion? Thanks a lot in advance!!

afelippa said:
Does someone have a tip on how to 'adapt' the NetMotion CAB so that it becomes installable in a TytnII touch phone, or has the touchphone version of NetMotion? Thanks a lot in advance!!
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Hi Andre
I have been using Mobility XE on my Tytn II quite happily. remember that the Tytn II is not a Smartphone, so do not use the Smartphone CAB for NetMotion Mobility. Use the standard NetMotion Mobility Windows Mobile CAB (it should be called something like nmc.WM.PocketPC.CAB ) and it should work just fine. Install it on the device and not the SD storage card
Please feel free to message me privately with your email address if you would like me to contact you and give you more assistance
Best wishes
Stef

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Hi Andre
I have been using Mobility XE on my Tytn II quite happily. remember that the Tytn II is not a Smartphone, so do not use the Smartphone CAB for NetMotion Mobility. Use the standard NetMotion Mobility Windows Mobile CAB (it should be called something like nmc.WM.PocketPC.CAB ) and it should work just fine. Install it on the device and not the SD storage card
Please feel free to message me privately with your email address if you would like me to contact you and give you more assistance
Best wishes
Stef
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Hi Stef, thanks a lot for your reply. Indeed the CAB file I have is called nmc.SP50.Smartphone.CAB. Do you know how/where I could get the nmc.WM.PocketPC.CAB that you've mentioned? Thanks!

Hi Andre
Your IT support people at headquarters should be abel to get you the CAB file - they have permissions to download the files
If you have any problems getting hold of it, please let me know. I have emailed you my contact details on your company email address
Best wishes
Stef