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Have placed my order with O2 yesterday. £179.00 and 16.50 per month 12 months. I'm sure I'm doing the right thing. Can anyone guide me in the right direction to a BT TomTom package that has all the right leads and mounts for the car. Going around in circles so many web sites. Great work people for such an informative website. Has proved valuable in making my decision to purchase.
Personally I would wait until they fix the bugs!! I have now found well over 50, many serious. Soft resets are at best a daily occurance since the PPC OS seems to have been written in such a way that one badly behaved app can take out the whole OS. Its like working with windows 3.1 again! Windows Mobile does not multitask properly - looks like some kind of windows 3.1ish co-operative multitasking. My Psion 5 with its 32MHz processor used to multitask better.
Everything works _sometimes_ and it usually stops working just when you need it to work most. Depends how much of the devices functionality you expect to be able to use.
It has the potential to be a top device if only the software was not so [email protected] They have a monopoly though cause there aint ought else like it on the market.
HTC should be ashamed of themselves...
Nigel
XDA Price
Hello again
Where did you find the XDA for that price, the main o2 website has it at 249.99 with min monthly payment at 19.00 ??
http://shop.o2.co.uk/shop/handset/O2/XDAIIs
Nigel
Where I'm getting it.
O2 online. www.o2.co.uk/business/great deals then xda2s 179.00 + vat
Hmm, I should have hunted around a bit more before buying. V strange that the phone is cheaper when you get a business tarriff:
Including the VAT the XDAIIs works out to £211.49 on their business tarrif vs £249.99 on the personal tarriff with line rental: £19.39 vs £19 on personal tarriff.
Dont suppose I can cancel mine now, and get a business tarriff instead! You probably need a company registration no or VAT no. Wish I was still contracting !!
Nigel
I got mine for 150 by ringin up o2 and asking for discount!
It should arrive tomorrow :lol:
While im here which memory card should I get i.e. size and brand ???
Thanks
Refund
Veletron,
Of course you can get a refund - O2 will roll back any contract within 14 days - you return the hardware and just pay for calls plus the proportion of the monthly charge.
I know this because I bought a new XDA2 a few days after losing my old uninsured XDA2, then the next day it turned up in France.... long story. I called the O2 shop who were happy to refund me - it was pretty impressive service.
Online sales are the same - you have distance selling regulations giving you the same deal, only it's part of the law, rather than good customer service.
This obviously applies in the UK only - all you johnny foreigners can just drool in envy
Peter
Business Credit Check
Hi,
Just wondering, when ordering of o2's business site, wether the same credit checks are carried out before they accept you as a customer.
I don't have a business could I do it ?
Thx
@Veletron
Don't suppose, given your disappointment with the xda2s, you would be willing to swap for an ipaq 4150 complete with detatchable thumb keyboard/case and screen protector and a Sony Ericcson P910i?
Based in Glasgow. You can't blame a guy for trying!
Hi
Nope, I shall be sticking. Despite its faults, the hardware is nice, and I still hold out hope that MS/HTC/O2 will get some of the (many) issues sorted given time.
Nigel
Fair enough! Looks like I'm off to ebay then!
Adrian
We are still missing his original question...
We still have not answered crisr2000 original question:
"Can anyone guide me in the right direction to a BT TomTom package that has all the right leads and mounts for the car."
To which I'm interested as well.
I answer to the original question I had the same dilama and contacted
various people within O2 to find out and in the end took the risk.
Basically the XDAIIs has the same connector as the XDAII so any tomtom
kit made for that will work.
I went for a third party all in one powered mount with GPS with a XDAII
lead and got the software seperatly and it works fine.
BP.
I've talked to everyone when considering choosing between the MDA and the newer Dash?
Is it possible to get a free version of Pocket Office to put on the Dash so I can have the editing option for Microsoft Documents?
MDA or Dash? Which is more versitile, faster, and good for work & networking on the fly?
Does the MDA have WiFi like the Dash? for free wifi connections.
After too many T-Mobile reps, HTC reps, and other users...I'm exhausted with beating around the bush form the simple, and exact answers I'm looking for. You advice and expertise would truly be appreciated. Help! Thanks.
Ryan
Choose the Dash
I have both. While I have only had teh Dash about a week, I have had no problems with it - no resets or freezes. With my MDA, I was constantly resetting it. The Dash doe stake some getting used to and you will have to buy a spreadsheet program, but I would choose it over the MDA in a flash. The Dash appears to be faster than the MDA as well. The only compliants that I have regarding the Dash is that there is no version of Voice Command for it nor is there a good RN caclulator.
there is no pocket office for smartphone os
more specifically there is no equivalent of pocket word at this time
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there is no pocket office for smartphone os
more specifically there is no equivalent of pocket word at this time
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This saddens me. Pocket office was very handy. Hopefully something will come about soon.
Really what I look for in comparison is speed, Wi-Fi, BlueTooth. etc. features. Both have the same features, but the difference is the advancement in the individual features. MDA has WiFi 802.11b where the Dash has 802.11b/g meaning the fastest you'll be able to transmit data over WiFi on the MDA is 22mbts The MDA supports BlueTooth version 1.2 and the Dash is BT 2.0. The MDA has a faster processor running at 400Mhz where the Dash runs at 200Mhz.
The applications that come pre-installed on the devices vary. Search the web for Open Source office like applications out there I'm sure you can find something for the Dash. I haven't tried it yet but with my Wi-Fi connection I have a google spreadsheet online application, kinda like an online office of Excel.
Thank you for the feedback.
I have been leaning towards the MDA, but didn't want to take a step back in technology advantage, given that I'll have this phone for a while and I'll want to get the most from the device. OR Should I go with DASH in hope of getting an app to edit documents? Is there anytihng coming out soon, or where should i go to find out where to get it? Can I use either device with google's new word and excel editting, without being connected to a free wifi?
Are both devices able to use Skype?
The MDA glitches and complaints do worry me about dependability. Do you believe the MDA is stable, and is the HTC Hermes able to be used with T-Mobile?
The phone I have (Nokia 3660) just died (only shows Nokia when booting up, in a continuous loop). Therefore i have just lost 600 numbers which weren't sync to the new laptop i had ot buy because my old one was stolen 2 months ago. If you have any advice on retreaving these numbers let me know.
Also, do you recommend getting the MDA from T-Mobile for $250 or from eBay? or other cell phone sites you recommend for purchases?
Ryan
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same here. someone should at least make a third party app for it instead of only viewers.
the dash makes a better phone and the mda makes a better pda. that's the biggest difference to me.
RazrV3 said:
Really what I look for in comparison is speed, Wi-Fi, BlueTooth. etc. features. Both have the same features, but the difference is the advancement in the individual features. MDA has WiFi 802.11b where the Dash has 802.11b/g meaning the fastest you'll be able to transmit data over WiFi on the MDA is 22mbts The MDA supports BlueTooth version 1.2 and the Dash is BT 2.0. The MDA has a faster processor running at 400Mhz where the Dash runs at 200Mhz.
The applications that come pre-installed on the devices vary. Search the web for Open Source office like applications out there I'm sure you can find something for the Dash. I haven't tried it yet but with my Wi-Fi connection I have a google spreadsheet online application, kinda like an online office of Excel.
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The MDA uses the same processor as the Dash, TI omap 850 200mhz
I had or tested almost ANY HTC device sold in Europe since HTC was a startup company.
EXCALIBUR is the best device I ever seen! Obviously new devices are better than older, but still I believe on BLUE ANGEL concept, (good device at that time, revolutionary)
You feel it in your hand soft, good design, reliable since the first release, stable bluetooth 2.0, last WM5 release, lot of fix and improvement.
Good display, form factor, keyboard and battery life (in a normal day, even using bluetooth, have always with you an USB cable, just in case...)
I don't need glasses to read at, due to resolution and backlight (don't laught too much, experience and close eyesight are reversed functions) one hand usage in 90% of conditions.
The microSD is well stored INSIDE the battery case, avoiding dust and accidental un-insertion.
Problems? screen protector NEEDED, no case in the package (I am using an IPOD sock), poor (compared to pocket PC) software avaliability, Smartphone notes is a MUST have (to insert small notes or align with PC notes) for a device with keyboard!
TORNADO POWER CONTROL is a battery saver, little overclok for a 200 MHz processor (228) and good downclock to save battery (116)
I installed a freeware program from vieka.com called Wordpad 2.9, works great. PTAB covers Excel....
I love my Dash. It's fast and easy to use. I love the one handed operation once I enabled the full jogger.
*BUT*
When I travel, I take my K-Jam and I don't need my laptop. I can do everything with it. I can't say the same about the Dash since it doesn't have mobile office.
On my last vacation, I didn't take my laptop because I didn't plan on working. When I got there, I found out I had to write 2 proposals within 24 hours. Quite simply, I would have been screwed without my K-Jam.
BUT
For an everyday device at work, I now prefer my Dash as I edit word and excel files between 0 and 1 times a year normally.
Dash rocks (and is hella-fast too). Once HTC releases a newer FW for it, I can get the T-Mobile crap off of it.
-Mc
link to download office
Hi i need a link to download ms office for WM5. please help
Hi,
there's no download for Office for WM5, it is part of the PPC-ROMs (Office Mobile). For WM5 Smartphones you can use Clearvue Suite from Westtek (only viewer).
Greetings Newchurch
dash is view docs only...AFAIK
I have had an mda for about six months and liked it, HTC and this communuity so much I bought a dash for my wife instead of an SDA, I like the dash it is a smartfone, and should be called that, it is leaps and bounds above the older smartphone os' but Its a far cry from WM5 and MS is trying to trick less wary buyers into thinking that the 2 very different operating systems are the same, and they are not...
I haven't seen any way to edit office stuff on the dash, but I have yet to get as involved in it as I am my wiz, so I may be wrong.
If you wanna replace your laptop with somthing smaller the MDA is the way to go.
If you want "just a phone" with tons of flexability go for the dash.
they are both great devices, but very different despite a similar GUI.
bhang
The OS's are teh same on both phones. Its just a different interface. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed. If they were different OS's then why are there instructions at HoFo on running PPC apps on smartphone?
I have both devices, and like them both. I like the small size and form factor of the Gash, but the larger Screen and the PPC UI make it easier for me to get around, but I'm gettingused to teh dash too. The MDA is more customizeable (more options for home screen, as well as a lot of ROM's here to try.) But teh dash seems more stable to me (prolly due to all teh fiddling I've done on teh MDA tho)
Also Documents to go has announced they are making a SP version. That will let you edit Office apps when it comes out. There might be a demo or somethgn now, I don't remember.
@bittermormon, you're right, a preview is now available for the smartphone
http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/winmobile/index.html
Hey all,
Just as topic states do owners of this phone think this device is good enough for 45-50 year old IT Professional? My dad doesn't like to tinker, he just wants the device to work. Primary use is phone with light messaging and possibility of push email either with Exchange or Blackberry connect.
I am having hard deciding between this device and Samsung Blackjack.
Thanks for help!
yes
But ONLY if you are in an EDGE area. GPRS is too slow compared with UMTS EDGE works perfectly for e-mail and sync use.
Excalibur Keyboard is much better than samsung and E is gerally faster in day by day use (Both are AKU3.0 devices)
Some good applicationd are branded with samsung, like a wonderful business card OCR (Get a picture of the business card to have all infos stored in contacts)
I would say the S620 is an excellent device for primary use as an email, PDA, texting machine and secondary use as a phone. Since mine seems to be broken I haven't had a chance to try it as a sole phone and email device although I think it will be fine for this.
Personally, I have been using a K-Jam as my data device, PDA, GPS etc and Moto V3i as my main phone. For occasional email use you may want to look at www.movamail.com set up on a phone handset like the V3i - I haven't used it much but it looks fine for keeping up with incoming email although obviously you wouldn't want to do much outbound email on a phone keypad.
Now, if I could just get my S620 working....
Except for that damn touch strip, I'm very happy with mine. If it's T-Mobile, they have a 30 day return policy, so you're safe in that case. If not, I'd check the return policy, if there isn't one -- skip it. Sounds like he's particular about his devices, and he'll gravitate to his preference on his own -- wait until he does and get him a leather case for it
I went for Samsung Blackjack as that is better for phone functionality
sergiopi said:
yes
But ONLY if you are in an EDGE area. GPRS is too slow compared with UMTS EDGE works perfectly for e-mail and sync use.
Excalibur Keyboard is much better than samsung and E is gerally faster in day by day use (Both are AKU3.0 devices)
Some good applicationd are branded with samsung, like a wonderful business card OCR (Get a picture of the business card to have all infos stored in contacts)
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If he just wants to be able to IM and get e-mail he doesn't have to get EDGE. I use simple GPRS on t-mobile in the US with no problem. Even browsing the web doesn't take to long. On top of that both devices have Wi-Fi when you really need the speed.
But EDGE never hurts, just don't think you need to make the extra $ addon to your plan for those things.
here's my advice
Now I am HTC loving windows mobile fanboy, but your dad sounds like mine, just get him a blackberry, it does basic emailing and nothing he can screw up. save calls for you from him. That bieng said the dash is by far and away the easiest and most stable windows mobile device i have owned(tornado,wizard,dash,wallaby) have not tried tytn, but I would get hime that, he will love the keyboard and there is a ton of touch buttons on side, along with the stylus, which can help.
justinstafford said:
Now I am HTC loving windows mobile fanboy, but your dad sounds like mine, just get him a blackberry, it does basic emailing and nothing he can screw up. save calls for you from him. That bieng said the dash is by far and away the easiest and most stable windows mobile device i have owned(tornado,wizard,dash,wallaby) have not tried tytn, but I would get hime that, he will love the keyboard and there is a ton of touch buttons on side, along with the stylus, which can help.
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I was thinking more of a Palm Treo maybe even a Windows Treo. Palm however is a bit more simplistic
I personally did not like the Blackjack's keyboard. I think the Excalibur is a great choice for Tmob. But I would suggest the 8525 if on Cingular. It guys would love the UMTS. I constantly get 1 MB and above transfer in my area.
I have the Dash (on Cingular), the iMate K-Jam, and have used the Blackjack.
If you want the PPC OS, the 8525 (TyTN) is the way to go.
If you want the Smartphone OS, I'd have to say the Dash is the way to go. The blackjack supports UMTS, but that's all that it has going for it. The Dash has WiFi, better keyboard, and much better community support. If he's not constantly browsing the web, the UMTS is worthless.
-Mc
I have been using a Siemens SX-56 relatively successfully for over a year and am wowed by the XDA features once I easily unlocked it from AT&T's service (incidentally I was amazed more recently to find an almost unknown T-Mobile version of it existing!)
I am now about to make the leap to WiFi operation on my PDA and have a VoIPFone account in the UK with an ordinary UK number. (X-Lite works really well on my home computer. A Vonage account I also have on a land-phone is absolutely terrible and I will probably have to change it soon to someone like BroadVoice if anyone thinks that might be any better).
Can someone recommend me a phone to buy please? I don't mind looking on ebay and unlocking one but I need to be able to input my VoIPFone account details and exchange files with Outlook as I am doing at the moment.
I PRESUME I have to use an HTC of some flavour and wonder which would be the least expensive as I can't imagine it will get all that much use? Are the ones with large screens MORE expensive as they are easier to read or LESS as they are larger and therefore older as the current trend is towards smaller phones?
trend for htc devices is both smaller and bigger depend on how much it's a phone and how much it's a UCPC
http://www.htc.com/product/03-products.htm
middle path is prob
HTC P3600
and
htc tytn
Yes, on size, that is pretty much what I figured
But which is the least expensive one to go for (similar to the second, third and fourth rows on that page) if I am emphatically not looking for "The latest"?
Which one to look for?
Does it come down to either some flavour of the Wizard or the Blue Angel?
The wizard is pretty damn awesome.
Does b or g make a difference with VoIP?
Is there a general view on whether you can get enough throughput on 802.11b to power VoIP effectively or if you need 802.11g? Or in practice doesn't it make any difference? I hear that the Wizard only does the b flavour?
802.11b does from 4Mbit to 11Mbit
being that thats faster then most peoples internet
the wifi should not be a bottleneck
I have a Wizard, and while it's an excellent device, bear in mind it's only got a 200 MHz proc (which granted you can overclock), which means it may not be ideal for VoIP. I know for Skype only the lower-power version works well, and you have to turn off noise cancelling on the standard WM version.
I have just upgraded to an Exec, and while it's certainly the most brick-like, you can pick them up for 200 quid on Ebay, and with a 520 Mhz processor you might find it is better.
NOTE. I have not used VoIP myself, this is just what I have read.
Not sure if I did the right thing (but it didnt cost me much)
Seeing your post I have bought a thing called a T-Mobile MDA (apparently not a Vario 11 or an MDA 111 unless there is some way of identifying these about which I am unaware?) which seems to be a Hermes and seems to have a processor about twice as fast.
There seem to be lots of threads on VoIP on these Hermes units: Is there a FULL thread here anywhere on putting any VoIP software on it please or necessary mods to it to let me do this? At the moment I am still trying to figure out how to get it to recognise NOT communicating through its Modem or through T-Mobile proprietary software. It does scan and judging by how many networks it sees out there, seems reasonably powerful? (doesnt show powers of networks at the moment of course). But it doesn't let me surf, having actually connected to some network?
Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
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Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
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Well the good news is the Wizard is a VERY popular phone, so you'll have plenty of support. Check out of the Wizard boards:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=248
I bought my TP2 from the web (I was usuing previously an Hermes (X01HT)
Been using it for 3 weeks. It works perfectly. Calls quality is excellent, data transmission fast, no particular issue with Softbank network, I am pretty happy about it
What I dont like, and nothig to do with Japan (Dont get me wrong, I am a big HTC fan and I love my phone):
1. Poor built quality. The phone looks great.. out of the box. After 2 weeks in my pocket the Chrome finish starts to crack and let appear some black paint. I am treating my phone well, really not trying to break it, this is under normal use. Honestly very very far from an iPhone built quality (Again I am not an apple fanboy). It's not a "big" problem but for a phone that costs that much it's not really acceptable (I have an Hermes who took way longer to crack...)
Other issue is the Tilt mecchanism a bit soft and sometimes not deploying the screen exactly inline with the keyboard (Some other posts detail this better than me)
2. TF3D is nice... rather fast... BUT too many important menues are lacking compared to WM6.1 menus (for instance it took em a while to find out that what was preventing me from allowing to synchronize some of my activesync folders was the lack of option in TF3D. Similarly the handling of contacts screen misses too many options). Maybe there is a way to have all WM6.1 menus appear under TF3D, in which case I am a taker if you have some trick (registry trick maybe ?)
3. Some GPS issues, but I hope I'll be able to fix this (Or maybe just my model has an issue)
4. Some slowness in the handling of contacts / SMS (granted I have many so it may come from that but my Hermes (with a modified ROM) was way faster)
All in all very happy with the phone, beautiful screen, excellent touch feeling, lots of great functions... Just the external built quality will probably attract the jokes from my friends with iPhones
Alcibiade, thank you SO much for starting this thread! I'm in the same boat I guess you were 2 months ago. I'm an x01ht user (actually, i remember seeing your name in the forums). but i think my x01ht's better days are behind it and i'm very ready to move on to my next pda phone. i'm staying with softbank, but refuse to buy anymore of their handicapped phones. so i'm considering buying the Touch Pro 2 (online).
i'm a bit confused though as to if there is a particular model I need to get. the whole GSM versus CDMA thing really confuses me. can you let me know where you bought your touch pro 2 from and which network band. i assume CDMA since japan is WCDMA, right?
again, thanks for any help/info you can give.
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Alcibiade, thank you SO much for starting this thread! I'm in the same boat I guess you were 2 months ago. I'm an x01ht user (actually, i remember seeing your name in the forums). but i think my x01ht's better days are behind it and i'm very ready to move on to my next pda phone. i'm staying with softbank, but refuse to buy anymore of their handicapped phones. so i'm considering buying the Touch Pro 2 (online).
i'm a bit confused though as to if there is a particular model I need to get. the whole GSM versus CDMA thing really confuses me. can you let me know where you bought your touch pro 2 from and which network band. i assume CDMA since japan is WCDMA, right?
again, thanks for any help/info you can give.
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I was not sure either and asked the shop (Expansys in HK)
I bught the European model an it works perfectly: 3G is the same in Europe and in Japan (Whereas US carriers use different frequencies). So it will (and does) work perfectly. 2G wont, but it didnt either on your X01HT
If you buy it you wont regret it, I really love mine (But the Hermes was an excellent phone... Just needed a bigger screen...)
thanks for the informative reply. i'm leaning heavily towards ordering mine within the next 24 hours. $700 is a lot of money. out of curiosity, how much did japanese customs duty charge you for the import of the phone?
Alcibiade, still waiting on you to come back online friend! Guess I need to bump this thread up! I'm looking for some of your expertise and experiences using this phone in Japan. I'm curious as to which ROM you had installed in yours (any chance you can put it in your sig?).
i have another thread going where i'm trying to get other people's experiences with japanese input ability. for some reason, i just can't get Japanese input on my phone. I can see kanji and kana fine in texts, webpages, emails, etc. but i can't enter any myself. when you installed the raphael/diamond Japanese IME, and Softbank MMS on your phone, were you able to write Japanese?