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I have a small theory as to when the next ROM updates are going to ship.
Well since the Universal is running the WM 2005 and the SP2 for Exchange already shipped, all we are missing for the push feature is the MSFP (Messaging & Security Feature Pack). SO the OEMs are dying to win corporate users to use the universal or magician, since also the fact that Blackberry might have to stop selling in the US...
Taking all that into account I would expect that iMATE & O2 are going to wait with the release to incorporate the MSFP into the ROM. T-Mobile might also this time join since they are dying to get as much bussiness customers as possible. Here in holland the MDA PRO was available to Businesss customers 2 and a half weeks before they started selling it to consumers. I can verify that because I work as an ICT manager and I was contacted by T-Mobile rep who wanted to come and deliver me the MDA PRO the next day if I agree to take a subscription. I have refused that since we use KPN and UMTS and t-mobile has no UMTS yet. But knowing t-mobile maybe they still are going to let the chance go.
Also this is the reason the QTEK has not released their device at least here in the NL you can not get it yet it is expected in the end of November. the Qtek 9100 (magician) is already in the shops but that device is meant for consumer market. the QTEK 9000 is the business device and I think (maybe I am wrong) it will ship already with the MSFP in it. As I remember reading Microsoft should release the MSFP in the first half of November...
PLease feel free to comment critisize etc. But keep in mind this is just a theory...I might have some facts wrong!
Oh Yea I forgot Orange which is also not yet released at least here in the NL
My theory has just received a blow...
I have just seen two online stores in NL claiming to have the QTEK 9000 in stock. Although on the www.qtek.nl the device is only mentioned that it exist and further no aditional info. And this coming from the site which was the first one to post the 3D anymation of the QTEK 9100.
I have to look into this first thing monday, if they realy have them in stock.
P.S. For those interrested the two stores are:
www.smartphonestunts.nl & www.smartphoneshop.nl
I believe that all operators are waiting for MS to supply the update before they can mess it up a little then distribute it.
And it could also be that MS are holding off the release until the security pack and activesync issues are resolved.
Yea the Operators are real stupid, I mean there is ready device software why stick your own crap in there.
About the MSFP: On the dutch Pocket PC site www.pocketinfo.nl there is an offer to buy the KJAM plus a year sunscription including the push functionality. In small letters they write that for the real push functionality you have to wait for the MSFP to be released untill then the users are more then welcome to sync on schedule.
Anyhow I hope the MSFP is real close since this offer has just appeared now so I guess they know more then we do.
actually i'm thinking that the new ROMs are o their way because MS has done their homework (you cannot release only half of the package) so it's up to the HTC to finish the ROM then up to the carriers to provide it to us.
I'm afraid MS HAS done half the job, again.
MSFP is RTM as of the 4th Nov, according to my contact.
Question is, how long will it take the likes of Orange to incorporate it? Blummin long time I reckon.
F.
Is there anyone with an MSDN license ?? I beleive you could get it there
Nope, it's not on MSDN Sub Downloads.
It's got to be integrated with the providers' software (ROMs) so they only supply it to the providers. With the exception of those who were on the Windows Mobile Beta program, but if you stuck a copy of (I thinkk it's called Crossbow, the next version) on your machine most features wouldn't work I suspect!
We're at the mercy of buttholes like Orange.
F.
Well that sounds really disturbing. what if I want to deploy the feature enterprise wide. I mean I am myself an ICT Manager but our company is too small to pull a muscle but large multinationals are then also at the mercy of the operators or shall I say buttholes?
Aye, it seems that way.
Problem is, I can't get any decent info from MS about it, and Orange say that there's nobody to ask there - even the data guys, who apparently "have access to almost every system in the company", are not told about ROM updates until they're on the website!
We'll have to wait and see. As I say, I believe the MSFP went RTM last week so it might not be tooo long...
For the record, I'm an Exchange consultant and so have a vested interest in this damn push-email thing.
F.
Bad news guys ... i hope that i'm wrong.
From the Microsoft Launch of VS2005 today in Milano seems that the new features will be available only from 2006 , meaning that we can only hope for ROM updates without the security and exchange improvements.ùù
As an additional info ... the italian Jasjar is real, brought by TIM. It has the italian ROM version.
We are all waiting for this ROM for the JASJAR & belive me I am checking the site of imate three times daily!
Hi,
I am sorry if this has been covered in old posts but i am getting no where with o2 and the other UK operators.
I am due an upgrade with o2 now but i want to wait until XDAs have WM6 on them, Does anyone know what the first XDA will be released with WM6? When it will be released? Or will it ever be released? as O2 do not have a clue.
If any of the other network operators are bringing out there versions with WM6 the same questions apply as i will just move phone operators.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
i thought windows mobile 6 wasnt coming out till november? i might be wrong as i havent been on top of wm lately (im a symbian guy myself)
Not sure myself
I know Orange are releasing the SPV E650 in April. However it runs WM6 Standard and not professional (i.e. its a smartphone not a Pocket PC).
Would guess Pocket PC's should follow soon after but there are still quite a few WM5 based devices scheduled for a release.
Would say the best bet would be to hold on but if your iching to upgrade (i know i would be) then I would suggest getting a Hermes based device. I would say that it's one of the best HTC devices currently available and people are cooking WM6 ROMs on it already!!! Its also rumoured to be one of the few devices that will eventually have an official WM6 update.
S.K.
All,
Just a quick note ... thought you'd be interested.
I contacted Dopod here in Australia, trying to find out when the official Australian D810 (with GPS) ROM would be available. I have also been requesting any details of whether or not Dopod would release WM6 for the D810.
The response on my query for the GPS ROM resulted in the following:
It looks like it is 4 weeks away.
We will also bring WM6 with GPS in another 2-3 months time for the D810.
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How's that for good news!!
yeah!!
what a great news!!! althought I don't have a D810...
Great news....
Any one else can ask Dopod for confirmation about the wm6???
I'm not Dopod costumer...
Thank's...
You got this information directly from Dopod? Hmmmm, for some reason I just don't believe you.
Super, thanks for the good news
It looks like it is 4 weeks away"
We will also bring WM6 with GPS in another 2-3 months time for the D810"
thats was official reply or chat ! ! !
WHOA!!!! GREAT NEWS if confirmed!!!!
cool great news we will be waiting
Sounds like a duck to me, not very plausible.
But then again if true, then very very cool!
awesome news if true
Importer for Spain and Portugal convinced HTC will officialy release WM6 for Trinity in few months. No data on timespan known at the moment. Same source says immediate release of WM5 GPS enabled ROM (next week).
This was already said. Hope true.
this is good news
What did I say in the donation thread? If we pay a bunch of money (and I did, don't get me wrong), an official release will happen.
You know if we hadn't, they wouldn't have bothered... :$
Hope its true!
But in Portugal the importer its NovaBase, and when the dopod gps version cames out, i've contacted NovaBase to know if HTC was going to release a gps rom, and the tell that it would be released during the February month!....
So, las week i've mailed them again and said that February has passed, and no rom released.... than I ask if they have a prevision to release that and ask too if they will release this quipment with wm6..... they answerd that gps will be released but no time prevision and tell that dont have plans to release wm6!
It is not worry, if dopod releases it! I am using the gps rom for dopod d810 in my p3600 and it is great!
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Exmo. Sr. Não temos uma data certa para existir a actualização de ROM. Deverá consultar o site da HTC Europa (www.europe.htc.com). Não existem planos para haver um upgrade de sistema operativo Windows Mobile 6. Cumprimentos, Equipa do Mobility Support
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(7- march-2007)
Hope dopod releases it! (as soooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnn as possible!)
Suspicious bunch arent you?
To put further context around the information I received:
The reply was from Dopod Support
I have been communicating with Dopod Support on a range of queries. In Australia, they were going to release an RSS Reader (which they haven't yet, but I was lucky enough to get a Test Version - it is just rebranding an existing RSS Reader available), and while I was asking I queried about:
GPS Australian ROM
Official RSS Reader Release
Availaibility of the Blackberry Client in Australia (which they have made available in other markets)
Whether or not WM6 would be made available, even for a small fee
I have now got confirmation from Dopod that the official Australian GPS ROM will be available in around 4 weeks
No confirmation as to the final release of the RSS Reader
No confirmation when the Blackberry Client will be available in the Australian market
Confirmation that Dopod will release WM6 for the D810 (Trinity) in 2 to 3 months
From my discussions with Dopod, it appeared that with there discussions with M$, M$ was apparently going to offer an upgrade installer for WM5 devices. My guess is that they have not provided it as Dopod wanted to provide WM6 via this channel, but as it is no longer happening I see this as the catalyst for providing it.
Take from this what you will, but I am very excited about this news from Dopod.
Nice!!!!
So..... lets wait!
It was nice too if HTC makes da same, But if doesn't make, we have de dopod rom!
Tks!
basically
dopod = HTC, cuz HTC bought dopod already.
AJB said:
... Take from this what you will, but I am very excited about this news from Dopod.
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Man thank you for this news, it seems that P3600 will be in my posession more than I previously thought an year for sure but as you may see there was MANY speculations about release versions of GPS and WM6 ROM's and none of them happens to be true, at least not for HTC branded devices and it is 6 (six!) months since original HTC ROM present in my P3600
BTW, I see you have some F1 action in couple of hours in your town, man I would give my Trinity to be there now
That's wonderful news assuming it's true.
However, I guess I'm going to be switching to the upcoming E-Ten X800 since it comes with WM6, VGA and (presumably a better than Qualcomm) GPS unit at launch.
forcedalias said:
That's wonderful news assuming it's true.
However, I guess I'm going to be switching to the upcoming E-Ten X800 since it comes with WM6, VGA and (presumably a better than Qualcomm) GPS unit at launch.
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Hey that x800 phone looks pretty cool.
I think you've convinced me to switch to that phone when it's released...
Anyone heard anything more about the WM6 upgrades for the S620 that HTC was supposed to put out in the May/June timeframe? There's not much time left in that "frame" - was hoping to hear something by now. I'd prefer to not have to mess with trying to put the TMo ROM on there.
nop there has been no news at all keep checking this page:
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/
It's pretty much July. I'm expecting an update to come out yesterday.
Any other source, other than the website where we could have any more information?
Download link for T-Mobile's WM6 is here:
http://t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
Comes with some fandango, and more t-mobile... (well, you tell me, i don't know how the HTC wm6 compares)
you can use my number:
2 m 0 r 5 a 5 e 2 r 9 y 7 c 9 e 4 o 0 s
Is it locked to T-mobile?
HTC eClub
Anybody joined the HTC eClub?
I think they are gonna distribute the WM6 that way, since I can't register my Dash there I can't confirm. Can someone with a S620 sign up and see if the update is available now?
htc club
Hi i have joined the club, as i have a HTC s620. There have been no updates as of yet. I will be checking the site most days, so as soon as i hear anything i will post here
No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.
Does anyone know if the VoIP feature will be included with this HTC release? (I'm talking about internet calling if nobody knows what I'm talking about.)
September!!!!!!
Below is an email I just got from HTC:
The Windows Mobile 6 update will roll out from June. The provisional date for the S620 is believed to be in September. We have no more accurate information than that and as it is a provisional schedule, it is possible that if any last minute problems are encountered in the final testing phase, it may be delayed.
Thank You for your enquiry. Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Kind regards
Khushal Hirani
HTC Europe Support
[email protected]
http://www.HTC.com
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No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.
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It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....
wmeter said:
It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....
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yeh i know thats why september is in bold in the email above.
Too bad there is no real competition on the market. Otherwise I would switch now. This is pissing the customer in the face.
I really love my S620 it's great hardware but not sure if I can hold out with WM5 too much longer.
S620 upgrade WM6
I called their support line on Tuesday (July 3) and the gentleman on the phone told me to expect the WM6 update around late July. I don't think they know for sure.
If I knew how to clean a rom of all that T-Mobile garbage I'd upgrade to WM6 using the T-Mobile rom.
So, just to amuse myself (and possibly others), I called HTC's hotline again, asking when WM6 comes out for the S620. The gentleman on the phone read me the email that was sent out to the phone support folks about WM6, and it went a little something like this:
"WM6 is a big OS upgrade, and all new HTC devices are using WM6, so basically HTC is tailoring the WM6 upgrades for each of their devices that support the upgrade. The Sprint MDA upgrade for WM6 came out 2 days, however, HTC will be releasing the WM6 upgrade for the S620 at the end of July, but no later than the middle of August."
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In summary, HTC is aware of our concerns and doesn't contradict themselves.
</sarcasm>
Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
The Cavalier is out this month so I can see alot of people ebaying their S620 and going for the much more powerful S630, probably what HTC are hoping anyway and why they are delaying the update. Furthermore they probably didn't sell as many of the Vox as they would have liked because people realised that the Excalibur/Caviliar form factor is so much nicer.
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Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
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Yes but the T-Mobile WM6 ROM is crap.
I have it on my Dash. It is full of bugs and memory leaks. I am waiting to HTC to release the S620 WM6 ROM, then I'm going to buy an S620 and ditch my Dash.
Give them time to get it right and not hastily release a buggy ROM.
This is very disappointing. I hope this is not the case with all the said upgrades.
htc is delaying it for 1 reason because they what people to get fed up and by a new phone with wm6 built in. EXAMPLE: htc x7500 which has wm5 and htc x7501 has wm6. now you can already buy the x7501 at CompUSA for $899 just check if you dont believe me. but wm6 upgrade for x7500 won't be out untill september, makes no sense to me
Every one of us, is full aware, that since imate & HTC products being put in the market; we used to download posted upgrades from time to time from the sites of manufacturer.
for examples, the JasJam (or what called hermes), since it was placed in market (about a year ago or more) we haven’t received any claim from imate that an available WM6 is available at their site !! right?! While if we get back in our memory three years ago (to the age of Magician – imate jam ) all magician users knew that a lot of upgrades were posted authentically on imateclub.com
So why this is happen? Why imate or any other manufactures try to hide the authenticated WM6 versions from being posted on their sites?
does that because all posted WM6 as well as TNT, Shape's…etc are all FAKE!! Or in other words COOKED!!, does that means that it is very probable to get incompatibe technical errors for using the above WM6 versions???
For me, I have been using TNT SE WM6 for three months; and no notifications or mistakes reported ….. especially that I'm one of Pocket PCs for 5 years ago!!
So the point is: does our discussion point (which is the stoppage of these manufacturer from posting UPGRADES for users) is that might be as a marketing trick from imate, HTC….whatever!! I mean, that all of us knew how users were longing to use WM6 on their PDA's but at the same time not satisfied to change the set !!! right?
In other words, to do change in SOFTWARE not HARDWARE !! right?
So is it possible that imate or HTC ….etc and other manufacturer of PDA's ((with originally built in Windows Mobile 6)) were afraid from sales fall?
Because posting an authenticated WM6 for PDA's with originally WM5 could affect the users -to an extent- from purchasing the new one (which is originally WM6) ….. does any one thought that way??
I really wish to discuss this together and if someone has any information, please comment
it was kinda hard to read what you said but yea, those are all companies with the purpose of making money, not of making ppl happy
i m confident they would release any requested update if customers would massive ask for them, but if you think of it, it s not like EVERYONE who bought an htc device knows about software updates and such
I think you make a valid point, but who really cares. I would guess that most of the users on this forum who are using cooked roms have tried the official manufactures release, and were less than satisfied.
In many cases, after 1 or 2 generations of OS upgrades, hardware advances and continual price declines make a new phone more appealing to a user than an OS upgrade to a potentially underpowered device.