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"CLEAN" WM5 ROM?

Hi. Are there actually any ported ROMs for the Uni that allows a super-clean (i.e. purely Microsoft) WM5? Thanks.

This is exactly what i am here at the Forum for please someone step up?
Cause i foudn one in general by name one time but im not sure if they are shapped for the Universal
I guess to clarify ...
A Clean version of WM5 shapped for the Uni if possible
I want to amke sure i do not lose any features
Please help thanks
rightnow im on the newest qtek but is actign weird so im going back to my orignal imate

don't install the extended ROM...

Can you explain SIMPLY which file is the extended ROM?

philby said:
Can you explain SIMPLY which file is the extended ROM?
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What "ady" meant was:
1st: Install Buzz's Ext ROM Unlocker and unlock your Ext ROM.
2nd: Cut and paste them to your SD Card and save a copy on your computer for backup.
3rd: Perform a hard reset. Since you already took off the Ext ROM, you now have a pure Microsoft OS running on your device.
To answer your question, the Ext ROM is what you see being installed when you perform a hard reset. It is indicated by a progress bar during installation after a hard reset. The Ext ROM contains the customizations provided by the "Brand" name of your device.
The simpliest way to avoid the installation of the Ext ROM, if you don't want to unlock it is:
1st: Perform a hard reset.
2nd: "IMMEDIATELY" perform a soft reset by pressing the reset pin as soon as you see the "Microsoft Today Screen". By doing this, the installation of the Ext ROM is by-passed.
If you are going to ask me where to find the Unlocker. Just do a search. Hope this cleared it up.

Thanks for the excellent reply. Can you tell me what exactly would be excluded by not installing the Extended ROM contents? I am guessing this would be like selecting a corporate install on the O2 XDA EXEC?? Thanks again for any reply.

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Can you tell me what exactly would be excluded by not installing the Extended ROM contents?
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Any customisations your operator has made. It's hard to say what exactly as that changes per ExtROM (and each new version of Windows Mobile by each operator has a new ExtROM so...)
If you don't install the ExtRom you have plain Windows Mobile, if you install the Extended ROM (which it will be default) it adds patches, customisations (backgrounds, sounds, GPRS settings etc), button configurations, home page settings, add icons, remove icons, custom programs etc.
My advise is to read the wiki (link in top left) open up your ExtendedROM as the poster above advised and then customise it how you want, or just by pass it completely each time and add in what you want manually.

philby said:
Thanks for the excellent reply. Can you tell me what exactly would be excluded by not installing the Extended ROM contents? I am guessing this would be like selecting a corporate install on the O2 XDA EXEC?? Thanks again for any reply.
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xanth is absolutely right. The Ext ROM changes with each "Brand". I am attacching a link for the O2 Ext ROM explanation: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=32527
Some applications in the Ext ROM, you can deduce what it is made for like "default_Backgamon etc...(which installs the game backgamon in Imate Ext ROM) and some are similar to O2's, so let it be your guide.

why
you don't want a "clean version" it would not contain any drivers, camera software or bluetooth software that make life easy. your jasjar is not clean by bypassing the ext-rom. to prove this look at your programs the zip program and voicedial do not come with a clean wm5 image.

Re: why
sandrobber said:
you don't want a "clean version" it would not contain any drivers, camera software or bluetooth software that make life easy. your jasjar is not clean by bypassing the ext-rom. to prove this look at your programs the zip program and voicedial do not come with a clean wm5 image.
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Actually ALL WORKS FINE with a clean install, as mentioned above, the only thing you might have to add is the settings for MMS, and video call capabilities. But ALL SOFTWARES INSTALLED WORKS. From BT to WiFi, camera app, voice dial, etc... I know because I already tried it.

Re: why
sandrobber said:
you don't want a "clean version" it would not contain any drivers, camera software or bluetooth software that make life easy. your jasjar is not clean by bypassing the ext-rom. to prove this look at your programs the zip program and voicedial do not come with a clean wm5 image.
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Well that depends on the base Windows Mobile ROM. Some will have some features, while some won't (won't fit possibly?) and would require the ExtROM to install them.
I appreciate this is a Universal thread, but one example is the BlueAngel. The SX66 doesn't come with a camera so it's ROM doesn't contain camera software and if you used that on a regular BlueAngel (XDA IIs for example) you'd need to install the camera software seperately.
Hope this actually makes sense.

what about a real clean ROM...
i mean a ROM that does not contain any of those "dog barking" junks media files and themes (there is around 8MB of these), as well as unnecessary EXTROM files. YET sparing drivers for camera, bluetooth , and other crucial drivers.
thanx

go it
then you are correct to hard reset then soft reset before your device wants to load the ext-rom

unnecessary media files are not in the ext rom
they come with the winows folder and the my doc. they r more than 8mb , and they serving for NOTHING... so stopping the erom wont save you from them

Install programs on Storage Card (SD)

Hello all,
great efford!!!!!
I have QTEK 9090 WM2K3SE or should I say Blue Angel.
ROM version 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/10/05
Radio version: 1.15.00
Protocol version 1337.45
ExtROM version 1.40.148 WWE
When you install a new program it is automatically installed on
My Device\Program Files\New program (This is RAM I think.).
You do not have any option of selecting in which folder to install the program
in order to select the Storage Card.
???Is there any way to force new programs to be installed on SD???
Is there another open Thread that contains this information?
Thank you!

If you are installing from the desktop, ActiveSync asks "install program in default location?". Click 'no' and you will be able to choose to install to SD.
If you are installing directly from a cab you will need CabInstl to change the destination.

Thanks
Thank you, I will try both!

Explicit path
Thank you, both of the suggestions worked fine!
But, I have some further questions.
CabInstl allows to specify an exact installation path, e.g. SD\MyPrograms\New Application.
With ActiveSync 3.7 you can select SD but not any subfolders of SD like with CabInstal.
Does the newer version of ActiveSync support an exact path installation definition and not just drive?
Blue Angel has 128 Mb RAM. Under Settings\Memory\Main you can see that.
Settings\Memory\Storage Card\Storage Card is the SD memory card that I have attached.
What is the Settings\Memory\Storage Card\STORAGE which is 40 Mb?
If you want to install any application from ActiveSync it gets also installed on the PC Add/Removes programs and after Sync with PDA you have to Remove it from the PC. Is there any way to avoid the PC permanent installation?

OK:
1) No. ActiveSync only lets you choose the general location. Note that what CabInstl does may cause some programs not to work as PPC programs often expect to be in a specific directory.
2) Main memory is divided in to two parts:
Program - your actual RAM just like on PC which programs use to run.
Storage - on WM 2003 devices (like yours) this is also RAM but it is treated like hard drive. WM 2003 has a slider that lets you repartition the RAM between storage and program. On WM5 device this is internal flash.
3) No. This is just something installers do, they keep a part of themselves on the PC. Unless you have extremely little space on you hard drive, I recommend not removing the apps. It will make them easier to reinstall should you have to preform hard reset.

Thanks again Levenum for the usefull feedback.
Thanks again Levenum for the usefull feedback.
1) I just had this experience yesterday with GSPocketMagic1_32_19
during a restart its .exe file cannot be found. Good to know that it is a more general problem in order to avoid installation on subdirectories.
2) The manual is not describing this very clear and surprisingly if you change the allocation size with the bar in screen main memory the size in storage screen does not change, or if you copy something to Storage again the size of the Memory\Main\Storage -InUse does not change were the Memory\Storage Card\Storage changes, so it was difficult to figure it out. It is like you have 128 RAM + 40 Storage RAM.

There is one other thing I forgot to mention regrading RAM:
No matter what you do with the slide, if the system thinks it needs more running memory or more storage it will repartition by it self. Usually it will divide the free ram 50/50 between programs and storage.
This is why you may copy something to main memory and not see a difference in available storage. You should always look at 'used' values.
Also there is a reg key you can create:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Shell\NeverDorkMemory
Simply creating this key will prevent the system from automatically repartitioning your RAM.

what does Extention ROM do ?

what does extention ROM do ? how about if i do not install extention and radio rom and install just nk.nbf ?
can anyone write their necessarity ?
thanks

Extended rom contains additional files installed to a normally hidden partition. These files are typically used to configure the "virgin" rom, by including your phone Operator's themes, phone dialler, GPRS settings, various patches and extra apps like PDF reader/Java etc
We normally don't like Extended roms - we normally patch them so we can access them in the normal way, and use them as extra storage for our own files. The Operator's files are normally big and slow things anyway that we don't want to install, so it's free space for us. Generally...
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Ext ROM installs the softwares added by ur manufacturer or those whose ROM ur installing so it does not matter if u dont want to install dat & can work fine without it , second thing radio is basically needed for all wireless services like wi fi , phone & bluetooth so it is necessary to install and hence if u dont want the specific version of radio to b installed u can leave dat & try ne other version suitable by ur network reception.

many thanks for the explanations. it seems radio and nk files enough for flash my MDA Pro. thanks again.

fuhayer said:
many thanks for the explanations. it seems radio and nk files enough for flash my MDA Pro. thanks again.
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YES, it is enough to just upgrade those 2, but you have to remember that if you did not erase the contents of the Extension ROM then the old contents of it would still install if you perform a hard reset.
Extended ROM installation can be easily bypassed by performing a soft reset as soon as you see the "TODAY" screen after a hard reset.
But if you really want to erase it, so you don't have to worry about performing a soft reset after each hard reset. Then just install the Extended ROM unlocker by BUZZ and use "Total Commander" to cut and paste the contents of the Extended ROM to your SD Card, perform a hard reset afterwards and all is set.

cktlcmd : which ROM r u using is it I mate or T mobile and is it the official release ?

niketkumar said:
cktlcmd : which ROM r u using is it I mate or T mobile and is it the official release ?
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I am using JWright's Modified IMate ROM that I added a few files from TMobile's. I am also using Orange radio because I find it is best here in NJ under Cingular Wireless. I am not using the official release. Just like you I am wating for the updated version of JWright 1.91.00.

Thanks for the info buddy.

Delete files / programs from ext rom. HOW?????
Hi there. I just downloaded and installed the ext rom unlocker by buzz. I have an Imate Jasjar rom ver: 1.90.96, rom date: 11/01/06 radio: 1.13.00 ext rom ver: 1.95.05 wwe
I would like to know how I can free up the ext rom space on my jj? I really dont need things like the clear vue pdf reader, backgammon, chess, and skype. Someone here said that I can gain upto 10MB free space. Thats like a whole condo in the middle of manhattan
I would be obliged if anyone could provide step by step instructions on how to do it. I'm quite new at this pocket pc editing thing and any help will be great.
Hoping for a quick reply.
Regards,
rohseq

Empty ExtROM Storage, any good use for it?

Hi all,
I am currently using Jwright's WM6 ROM (so far so good, thanks J) and applied the ExtROM unlocker patch. I have 10MB free on this partition but not sure what to do with it.
I used to have Magician before and after emptying the ExtROM, I could use it for Program Files folder. But I dont think it's useful to do that for device with WM2005 or above.
So anyone has any idea to make use of it? Thanks.

you could put porn in there i suppose.....

I unlocked the extrom on my uni, helmi_c 1.1 rom.
However, when I delete the contents, it always re-appears. Any files copied in there, disapear.
Help.

willy792003 said:
Hi all,
I am currently using Jwright's WM6 ROM (so far so good, thanks J) and applied the ExtROM unlocker patch. I have 10MB free on this partition but not sure what to do with it.
I used to have Magician before and after emptying the ExtROM, I could use it for Program Files folder. But I dont think it's useful to do that for device with WM2005 or above.
So anyone has any idea to make use of it? Thanks.
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I too am curious about this - is there a means of adjusting the Disk On Chip to utilise the space more effectively (as can be done on the Himalaya)?
@drsqueggy - that's what the 4Gb SD card is for
@Pyrofer - it sounds like it is un-hidden but still locked, ensure it is actually unlocked (and then search forum or start another thread if problems continue)
-sf

I gotta go with porn too.

You could put a few cabs in there of programs that you like such that if you have to 'system restore' the device, the programs auto-install for you.
It's a miniature time-saver, I guess, but I don't know if such programs could be uninstalled or upgraded when you were done.
Maybe keep one song you really, /really/ like in there?
Or porn.

how bout fonts???
and why not install progs which have today plugins/ load at start up....
a media player/photo viewer....so you can swap sd cards and still play media files..

with 10 mb porn on it, I have to be quick.

Man, 10k would be more than enough time for me... I'm over the hill

my suggestion is to make best use of the space available by storing your cab files.In case one needs to reload any application behaving strange it would help besides your storage card for other things.

willy792003 said:
So anyone has any idea to make use of it? Thanks.
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I use this space for Internet Explorer Cache file. This can be easily done by changing the location of cache file in the registry.

Download link for extrom unlocker is dead. Help

Hey I want to add in a extrom for the first time on my siemens sx66. I read all the instructions and everything on the wiki. But they tell me I need a unlocker tool for it. I tried to find every link possible for it, but they all give me an error so Iam guessing there dead. Can anyone post up a new one please.

here you are, the unlocker and the repart doc

Thank you so much, appreciate it.

Okay, I downgraded back to wm2003, made it so total storage is 60mb. Now I upgraded back to wm6.5 explode. So now I just unhide, unlock and then just copy the extrom zip file to the extended_rom file???
Actually, I was reading another post of yours, and I remember you saying to put the /extrom folder in a sd card?? I dont remember reading that in the wiki. But anyways you think you could provide me with instructions on how to do that. I have the sd card.

by resizing the old extrom folder to (probably) 128kb, as suggested in the wiki, you don't have the old space to park the extrom, still the sd card has an autorun, as you might have experienced before, if for example there is a folder 2577 on the card, whatever is in there runs, when the card is inserted, but don't mind about that, just an example.
you have a file extrom.zip or something comparable, just unpack it and put it on the sd card, so that it shows EXTROM\ with a bunch of cabs in there and a cfg.txt, an autorun.exe and a picture custom.bmp.
- the autorun.exe is what executes the entire thing when inserted
- the cfg.txt holds the config, meaning it describes what happens there, there is a list of cabs in there, and how to process them,
- the cabs are the installation files of the programs to be installed, if you are uncertain, whether you need each one of them, maybe googling the name helps you determine that.
- the custom.bmp is the picture showing while installing the extrom and so rather uninteresting for you.
remember to make sure, the list of cab files in the folder is the same as listed in the cfg.txt, having it downloaded and extracted that is the case by default, but if you want to customize it, remember that simply copying the files into the folder is not enough, they need to be listed in the cfg.
i personally for example remove the adobe reader and arcsoft mms from extrom and put own apps in there.
every program in there is installed to the system storage, so make sure you don't stuff your device with to many apps that maybe you don't need.

Yay it worked!! Hey thanks alot for the help, didnt think it be so simple. Anyways, thanks again.
Heh I wrote this on my BA, more reasons to love this thing.