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Hi Guys,
Ok...as a testament to how much I use this device (despite a lot of my apps, like yours not being upward WM5 compatible...patiently waiting too), and NOT as a testament to how careless I am, I must admit that I have now as of tonight lost BOTH styli, that came with it.
So please, give me credit for using a screen protector and a retrofitted case (i DO care for my JasJar like it was a Furby!), and reccomend a decent replacement (3rd party) styli that works with it?
Thanks!
And I hope that the replacement 3rd party styli will have much better fit.
It' s a miracle I have not lost mine yet. Give the JJ a good shake and off the stylus goes flying.
Ha ha. I must agree with you both. I have been wondering why my JJ stylus was so easily taken in and out.
I have dropped the stylus many times (luckily it fell into the case) when I pulled it out from the case (if the JJ stylus slot side came in first to the case when its inserted). I changed the order inserting it to the case already, now with the stylus slot facing up, but it will not help preventing such an accident like yours, ROM_quest.
We're better be careful with this.
atekant said:
And I hope that the replacement 3rd party styli will have much better fit.
It' s a miracle I have not lost mine yet. Give the JJ a good shake and off the stylus goes flying.
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Hmm... my Jasjar stylus doesn't seem to be terribly loose... I don't think it's ever fallen out when I didn't want it to. I just sat here and tried to shake it out and I wasn't able to. Maybe there's a problem with your device?
Brett
Hi Guys,
An update to my original post.
I found my style (yay!) on the floor of my vehicle.
FYI though, besides the backorder Expansys replacement Styli option, Boxwave has a multi-tool-stylus with pen made for the JasJar in stock.
Google Boxwave if you have a need for a replacement stylus...hopefully I can hold on to my (loose-fitting) one now that I have it back.
Cheers,
-Rom
has anyone heard or seen whether the Touch Pro 2 will have a magnetic stylus. i know the diamond 2 doesnt but i hadnt seen anything about the touch pro 2
From the videos I have seen online, looks like it does. I am not 100% sure.
I saw a videoreview of the TP2 and it did not have a magnetic stylus, but It still did trigger the screen when you pull it out.
That's enough for me. A friend of mine has a Diamond 1 and he has lost 2 styluses. I would actually prefer my stylus to snap in place rather than having just a magnet hold it in place.
The TP2 definetly HAS a magnetic stylus and thats for sure. There was a quick hardware review on www.pda.pl and David confirmed that the stylus is magnetic
I have it in my hands right now and can tell you that the stylus is 100% not magnetic. But it does turn it on when you pull the stylus out.
Ciciban said:
I have it in my hands right now and can tell you that the stylus is 100% not magnetic. But it does turn it on when you pull the stylus out.
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you are so lucky to have this wonderful device. any thoughts, nags, concerns about the overall device
The unit I have has just locked - demo period expired - itself and I need to hardreset it - don't know how at the moment.
But I can say that it looks really great from the outside. Keyboard is fantastic. Even when I tilt the screen up I can still press numeric keys on the keyboard. I also love metalic rim on the top of the device, reminds me of iphone.
It feels much more solid than Touch PRO. Specially how the screen holds to the rest of device when you open and close it.
Even my girlfriend loves it and can't wait to get one .
I played with Xperia for some time this week and can tell you that this phone has much bettter feel - for me.
This phone even looks expensive and when I put it on the table besides Tuch PRO, HD or Diamond 2 (just did that ) it looks much better.
And, not to forget, the back is perfect - 100% no fingerprints. It's shiny and looks like cars body, metal silver/grayish metalic look.
Since I have most HTC phines at home I can say that this one is top of the line as for build quality (I don't know how would it perform over longer period of time), visual looks and feel.
Conclusion: this phone looks and feels great. I'm not easily satisfied and I know and own HTC phones since Qtek 2020 and can tell you that Touch PRO 2 is the best one I ever had in my hands. At the moment I would give it 9.5/10. Thats because it has no 3.5 mm headphone jack.
If only it would have a good camera so I could record good videos at 640x480... I did this with Diamond 2 and the video was not so good. Recorded a drive from home to work. Does not like fast moving too much .
I'll give the phone back today or monday at the latest and am sorry I could not run the software on it since it locked itself and I don't know how to hardeset it. All I manage to do is to send it in 3 color mode...
is the back cover made of entire plastic or are there any metallic parts?
It looks all plastic to me.
why would you want that anyway?
So it's plastic, nothing special, it just looks like it is made of mixed material. it still looks good though.
Can't wait till I can have a fiddle with it.
no it is not magnetic
... that sucks I thought a magnetic stylus would be pretty cool... but oh well
Doesn't really matter I think. I have lost a stylus already on the HD. So it's more secure using the clip on stylus.
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Doesn't really matter I think. I have lost a stylus already on the HD. So it's more secure using the clip on stylus.
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agreed, Ive lost 3
cocoaju said:
Doesn't really matter I think. I have lost a stylus already on the HD. So it's more secure using the clip on stylus.
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with a clip on stylus, with time and use, the stylus usually loosens up, and becomes subject to falling out and being lost. so for me a magnetic stylus is a better deal.
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with a clip on stylus, with time and use, the stylus usually loosens up, and becomes subject to falling out and being lost. so for me a magnetic stylus is a better deal.
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I've had a Mio 168 (PDA/GPS), Mio A201 and a Mio P550. All these devices are with styluses that snap in place and I have never lost a stylus and that's everyday use on all 3 devices approx. 2years/device.
emwdava said:
I've had a Mio 168 (PDA/GPS), Mio A201 and a Mio P550. All these devices are with styluses that snap in place and I have never lost a stylus and that's everyday use on all 3 devices approx. 2years/device.
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Agreed, I have had my P3600i for 2 years now and not lost a single stylus but lost my HD stylus within the first month. I have to be very careful with it now when I take it out of my pocket, so it doesn't drop off accidentally.
zesper said:
with a clip on stylus, with time and use, the stylus usually loosens up, and becomes subject to falling out and being lost. so for me a magnetic stylus is a better deal.
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This is the case with my old MDA. I actually have to keep a golf tee in my pocket to use a stylus because I've lost all of mine. I use the stylus a lot, and wonder if whatever holds the thing in place with give way and loosen up.
I believe that everything is acceptable to wear and tear. That is natural. Is it fixable? If it is, then maybe get it fixed. I would rather replace one part of the phone every 2 3 years over replacing my stylus every other month. I guess we also have ourselves to blame for being uncareful. LOL.
I have now lost both of the stylus(es) that came with the phone. I suppose they come out when I pull the phone out of my case. Anyone else have this problem? I got a universal pouch and the phone was in there pretty snug. Enough so that it would not come out easily.
Now I have no stylus and am afraid to replace it for fear of it happening again. Is this common or am I doing something wrong??
What version of TP2 do you have?
I heard something similar regarding the american versions, as they do not have the magnetic stuff as the original Europe version.
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What version of TP2 do you have?
I heard something similar regarding the american versions, as they do not have the magnetic stuff as the original Europe version.
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What magnetic stylus? European unbranded WWE version doesnt have a magnetic stylus.
i have a tmo tp2 and unless you have a little bit of finger nail its flipping hard to get the stylus out
none of the TP2s have a magnetic stylus
I tooked the info from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512851
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6842
As I have not recieved yet my TP2 I have not checked myself, sorry if I post something mistaken
Cheers,
Does anyone know where I can get more stylus pens from for T-mobile? so far I ordered from 2 different dealers on ebay and got the wrong ones...Tj
TrekkerJmm said:
Does anyone know where I can get more stylus pens from for T-mobile? so far I ordered from 2 different dealers on ebay and got the wrong ones...Tj
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It's looking to be quite the pain tracking down any quality T-Mobile TP2 accessories and OEM stuff since our version is unique compared to all the others. Things like the stylus, screen protectors, cradles, cases, etc. all need to be designed slightly differently for us and it seems like manufacturers are not very eager to do so at the moment. Hopefully the launching of Sprint and ATT TP2s will spur them on.
Sorry this doesn't answer your question, but know that I share your frustration!
I have no idea why they got rid of the magnetic stylus, which I thought was a fantastic feature. But I do have a trick for keeping them in, I used it on my mogul. Just bend the stylus a bit, it still feels straight in the hand, but it will say in much much better.
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It's looking to be quite the pain tracking down any quality T-Mobile TP2 accessories and OEM stuff since our version is unique compared to all the others. Things like the stylus, screen protectors, cradles, cases, etc. all need to be designed slightly differently for us and it seems like manufacturers are not very eager to do so at the moment. Hopefully the launching of Sprint and ATT TP2s will spur them on.
Sorry this doesn't answer your question, but know that I share your frustration!
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Thanks. I got my screen protector (best I have seen yet, guaranteed for life) from "www.clearprotector.com" and its not a regular plastic one. They have to be soaked in water & soap b4 they get put on if this helps at all and the cover I got from here> "http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150365816665&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT" its a little pricey but IMHO its worth it...Tj
My stylus (neither one) was magnetic. One poster says to bend it??? Does it still go in?? I dont quite follow.
Does anyone else have the smae problem I do ? Losing the stylus when pulling out from the case? Any other ideas to keep it in better? Thanks.
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none of the TP2s have a magnetic stylus
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maybe it's not the stylus itself, but i can feel mine magnetically click into place when i insert the stylus. mine is the unbranded, asian version.
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My stylus (neither one) was magnetic. One poster says to bend it??? Does it still go in?? I dont quite follow.
Does anyone else have the smae problem I do ? Losing the stylus when pulling out from the case? Any other ideas to keep it in better? Thanks.
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If you bend it just a very slight amount, it still goes in fine and even looks straight, it just fits tighter in its cavity. Just put the stylus between your thumbs and push a very slight amount. Then put it back in the phone and see if its more difficult to pull out. If not, pull it back out and push a little harder with your thumbs. Lather, rinse, repeat until satisfied with the fit.
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maybe it's not the stylus itself, but i can feel mine magnetically click into place when i insert the stylus. mine is the unbranded, asian version.
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Unless it pulls itself into place when you're close to inserting it, it's not magnetic.. Just friction.
Just a very quick review of my Easecase E5 which arrived about a week ago.
You can see pictures of it by search eBay for "Easecase E5 galaxy note" (without quotes), there's one here : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E5-EASECA..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item5ae4059699
(I did get a bit of a shock when I saw that - that is my actual one - with my name on it, I was just searching for one at random)
Delivery time:
As mentioned in other parts of this forum, delivery times for Easecase are pretty woeful. I ordered on the 25th of November and, it arrived here a few days over a month later in Sweden. The problem seems to be largely that they ship via China Post which is quit slow - they dispatched it (with trackable* shipping) within about a week. I bought it through eBay, so I am not sure if they have another outlet, and, they make it very clear on their eBay items that they will take a looong time to ship, so, I can't take any points off them there.
Build quality:
It is beautifully put together. There's a slot running down the inner spine for the stylus, and my name is embossed on the front. I would characterise it as high quality.
Outside:
I opted for the magnetic clasp. It isn't a very strong magnet, but does the job.
Apart from the clasp, there's just the embossing on the outside, and, a neat seam around the edge.
Inside:
There are 2 bill pockets inside, both of which are *very* deep. They're about as deep as the note is high.
When it is fully opened, there are 5 credit card pockets on the left. Note that these seem to be individual pockets, separated from each other internally. Cards fit vertically into these pockets. The front of the pockets stretches a bit over 2 thirds of the way from the far left of the case to the spine. Behind the pockets is a sleeve about 1/3 wider than the short side of a credit card where you could fold bank notes* (remember this, I'll come back to it.
As I said, along the inner spine is slot for the stylus.
On the right is where the not goes. It slots in (quite snugly) from the top. The top is open, so you can get to the headphone port. There's a hole in the left for the volume control, a hole in the right for the power button, and, a hole in the bottom for access to the USB port.
Looking at the front, the home and hardware buttons are all accessible as part of the screen area. They've also neatly cut out around the top speaker and, the front camera.
Protection:
Very good. If the magnetic clasp doesn't come undone during a fall, then, it'd be very hard to break the screen. It is nice thick leather, and you might even be able to drop a brick on it when closed without breaking the screen.
It still won't help you if you drop it in the toilet as some poor chap here has apparently done.
Usage:
It is very bulky. Like one of those filofax jobs people used to (still?) have.
I'm used to big gadgets, so I cope, but you wouldn't get it into tight jeans pockets. I do squeeze it, with some discomfort into my front trousers pocket.
You don't want to talk on the phone with the cover on for more than brief calls, you look like an idiot. Most of the time I pull it out of the cover for calls, or, use a bluetooth headset.
Using the rear camera requires removing from the cover.
General browsing/emailing etc is fine with the cover on.
Fortunately removing the phone is a fairly quick procedure, as is putting it back it. I imagine it'll get easier still as the leather stretches a touch.
One annoyance is, as the leather reaches right to the top of the touch screen, if the phone slips up slightly, it can be difficult or impossible to pull down the notifications bar. When in landscape, this isn't an issue as the phone can't move left/right in the case.
Summary/thoughts:
I wish I'd bought the one without the bank note pockets. That'd reduce the bulk considerably and you could still stick notes behind your cards (see * above). You can also use the rear facing camera with the non-bank note version (E4).
On balance, I am pleased I bought it though, it is of high quality and, it is great having your phone and wallet all in the one thing - it also means you can ring your wallet to find it when you are in a hurry to head to work
If anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
My recommendation for anyone thinking of getting one of these is to get the E4 and not this.
They don't seem to have any E4's on eBay at the moment for the note, but I am sure I have seen one there. Here's one for the Desire HD - I am sure it gets the point across.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E4-EASECA...sesPouches&hash=item5647be7cbf#ht_5657wt_1016
Cheers,
Kent
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You don't want to talk on the phone with the cover on for more than brief calls, you look like an idiot. Most of the time I pull it out of the cover for calls, or, use a bluetooth headset.
One annoyance is, as the leather reaches right to the top of the touch screen, if the phone slips up slightly, it can be difficult or impossible to pull down the notifications bar. When in landscape, this isn't an issue as the phone can't move left/right in the case.
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Two quick thoughts:
1) When calling, can't you fold the case cover back 180 degrees?
2) Some launchers (adwlauncher does this) allow to swipe down anywhere to lower the notification bar, so you don't need to touch the very top.
- Frank
ChodTheWacko said:
Two quick thoughts:
1) When calling, can't you fold the case cover back 180 degrees?
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No, the banknotes pockets kind of open so it gets more bulky and wants to spring back to about 180 degrees (where 0 is closed, 180 is wide open and 360 is the position you suggest), but I suspect you could with the E4 model.
2) Some launchers (adwlauncher does this) allow to swipe down anywhere to lower the notification bar, so you don't need to touch the very top.
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Yes - I read about that setting a while back, but have never used it, thanks for reminding me - it is now enabled for the swipe down gesture (hide dock was annoying me anyway).
Hi, thanks for the review, i've been stuck deciding between the E5 and the E4, due to the E5 having the bill slot, which i would think is really good compared to folding the bills under the cards.
Can you take a picture of the case when it's fully loaded, both open and closed?
e.g. all card slots used, and the bills folded and slotted under the cards
That would probably help sway my decision, if that slot + cards do not bulk up the entire wallet.
More info // pics in my thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419678
I love those case, but it's sucks when they cost so much!
It's should be 10$ max.
peanuts and monkeys
i hope to order this case by the end of this month, i've emailed them some questions on customisation, hopefully it's permitted, then can go forward with this.
the E5 with wallet style slot is definitely too bulky. I bought one for my Desire HD with modified size to fit the DHD with Otterbox. After receiving it, tested once with DHD and sit in my drawer collecting dust ever since.
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the E5 with wallet style slot is definitely too bulky. I bought one for my Desire HD with modified size to fit the DHD with Otterbox. After receiving it, tested once with DHD and sit in my drawer collecting dust ever since.
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Ya know I thought the same thing at first, but I just got a pack of 3 extra batteries and I find I can put two of em in the wallet and also a cleaning cloth and everything fits great.
In terms of customizations I wonder if a small bit for some change could be added.
Its beautiful.
Easecase E5 looks good.
This is a genuine leather case, and very good quality construction. They also responded well to my customization request (I wanted a 65mm horizontal belt loop added to mine).
Only $10 max is out of the question. Worth 3 to 4 times that much. It includes branding of your own name as well. It's a very classy leather case/wallet.
Could you please share a photo were the Note is next to the case just to compare the size of the case?
Hey great review. I really love the customization of these cases and I recently bought a galaxy note us version from ATT so ive been doing some research for a quality wallet type case for my note (will arrive monday) I was just wondering, would this case or the E4 case which is what ill probably get be fine for the american ATT version. Im pretty sure the dimensions are about the same but im not so sure about the button placements or the charger placements.
The only thing I dont like is the shipping time but not much I can do about it but this case seems to be the best so far that ive found besides the vintage leather case but those dont come in black and have magnetic strips.
Any reply would be appreciated.
So just to recap - will my US ATT galaxy Note i717 be a good match with this case?
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Hey great review. I really love the customization of these cases and I recently bought a galaxy note us version from ATT so ive been doing some research for a quality wallet type case for my note (will arrive monday) I was just wondering, would this case or the E4 case which is what ill probably get be fine for the american ATT version. Im pretty sure the dimensions are about the same but im not so sure about the button placements or the charger placements.
The only thing I dont like is the shipping time but not much I can do about it but this case seems to be the best so far that ive found besides the vintage leather case but those dont come in black and have magnetic strips.
Any reply would be appreciated.
So just to recap - will my US ATT galaxy Note i717 be a good match with this case?
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When I dealt with them, I found them quite responsive, I suggest asking them if it'll fit the i717 - odds on if it doesn't they'll have one that does even if they haven't advertised it yet.
Although I haven't seen it, I'd definitely recommend the E4 over the E5 - I find I don't really need the slots for notes (you can slip folded notes in the bit behind where credit cards go anyway) and, it the banknote pockets block the camera (by necessity) which drives me a bit mad.
definitely not slim, and not cheap, but I've been very happy with this case for my N7-2012.
http://www.thesnugg.com/tablet-case...ather-case-cover-and-flip-stand-in-black.aspx
Will post once I get mine (pre-orders claim to ship Aug 23).
I got my Snugg case today...
what I like: they moved the loop for the stylus (not that I use it) away from blocking the USB port (as it did on the N7 2012 version of the case).
But alas, the case I got is a big fail. Open the case, the N7 turns on.. as you expect... and then when you finish folding the cover back behind the N7... that same magnet has enough pull to turn the N7 right back off
all you have to do is fold the cover back behind and slide it back and forth a little. I never had this problem with my N7(2012)+Snugg.
So I'm returning my case. Maybe they'll get the kinks worked out in a future batch.
EDIT: similar to the 2012 case, I do wish they made it a bit easier to reach the power/volume buttons.. the cut-out on the Poetic slimline is MUCH better for that.
EDIT2: Snugg is sending a replacement.. we'll see if its any better.
EDIT3: the comedy continues.. the replacement they sent was a red iPad case... not much good that will do... have emailed them again and waiting to hear back.
Got my replacement case.. same issue.... so I decided to do a little surgery...
I removed the stitching from 3 of the 4 sides around the tan Snugg logo, and peeled it back. Under that was a layer of light brown tape/paper.. I used a nife to scrape that back, and under that was a magnet which resembles a button battery... maybe 2/3 the diameter of a dime (US).
I used 2 pair of pliers to attempt to snap it in half.. it was fairly brittle, do I ended up with 4 pieces of different sizes.. I 1st tried the largest piece.. maybe ~50% of the original magnet... put it back in place, piece of electrical tape over, and tucked the logo back in place... still saw the problem.
So then I swapped that piece for the 2nd largest (maybe 1/4 of the original magnet).. and so far that seems to be doing the trick. Seems to open reliably from the front, and is NOT detected (knock wood) when the cover is folded to the rear.
I'll give it a few more days, then add some glue to secure the stitching I removed and call it a win.
I've emailed Snugg about this, but so far they are saying "we haven't had any other complaints".. I dunno, since I got one of the 1st cases they made for N7v2, I think that is a premature assessment on their part.
At this point, I hope I have the case I wanted.
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Well Snugg is a nice case but I dont like that stylus space there...because I dont like to use stylus and more over that space will be more irritating one rather than being useful.....on comparison it with black leather portfolio case...i find that portfolio one is much better...as A case or a cover is a product that should be for the care of tab properly so i prefer that one over snugg...almost same price..but quality of leather portfolio case is much better...but its my personal experience i would say.....
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The stylus loop was at the bottom, blocking the USB port on their case for N7-2012.. they moved it to the top for N7-2013 (so it doesn't block anything now).. I don't use a stylus either, but it stays out of the way for me.
Snugg replied to my email, saying they have now gotten other complaints and are making an adjustment to the magnets in the case. Will be sending a revised case once it is ready.
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Well Snugg is a nice case but I dont like that stylus space there...because I dont like to use stylus and more over that space will be more irritating one rather than being useful.....on comparison it with black leather portfolio case...i find that portfolio one is much better...as A case or a cover is a product that should be for the care of tab properly so i prefer that one over snugg...almost same price..but quality of leather portfolio case is much better...but its my personal experience i would say.....
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took a look at the link... I had a case like that for my Touchpad.. never again... I much prefer the Snugg style/functionality... I've had the N7-2012 version for almost a year.. zero fraying... it still is like-new. 2 others in the family have Snugg cases for different tablets, and they've had no issues either. *Other* than this current magnet issue (allegedly being fixed in a new batch of cases), I've seen nothing to suggest Snugg cases are anything but top quality, equal or better than any other "leather" case I've owned over the span of several tablets.
but the nice thing about this is that everyone likes a different style case, and there's something out there for just about everyone at every price point.
I got my rev2 case.. they did more than just fix the magnet... the inside cut-outs are different, and most importantly, they did a carve out around the power and volume buttons, making those much more accessible.
Oh, and by dumb luck, I figured out that the stylus loop can easily tuck in behind your N7, so it's totally out of the way (even tho it didn't bother me anyway).
and the magnet strength seems fixed now.
All in all I can now call this a very good case.
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I got my rev2 case.. they did more than just fix the magnet... the inside cut-outs are different, and most importantly, they did a carve out around the power and volume buttons, making those much more accessible.
Oh, and by dumb luck, I figured out that the stylus loop can easily tuck in behind your N7, so it's totally out of the way (even tho it didn't bother me anyway).
and the magnet strength seems fixed now.
All in all I can now call this a very good case.
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Just saw the update on the rev2 case, right after I got done talking to Snugg. The lady at first hesitated, checked with her supervisor then came back. Said they had similar issues and it was fixed, new cases would be aent out to thoae affected meaning you muat first complain to get a replacement. My issues were bad fit, camera slightly blocked front and back. Buttons impossible to find, edge was curled badly, left aide of screen slightly covered, and just now typing this response my magnet kicked my screen off! Just goto Snugg's website and click the chat link they will send out a case once they verify your order number with them or amazon. Glad to hear the updated case looks more like the picture on their website. Waiting for mine now.
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Just saw the update on the rev2 case, right after I got done talking to Snugg. The lady at first hesitated, checked with her supervisor then came back. Said they had similar issues and it was fixed, new cases would be aent out to thoae affected meaning you muat first complain to get a replacement. My issues were bad fit, camera slightly blocked front and back. Buttons impossible to find, edge was curled badly, left aide of screen slightly covered, and just now typing this response my magnet kicked my screen off! Just goto Snugg's website and click the chat link they will send out a case once they verify your order number with them or amazon. Glad to hear the updated case looks more like the picture on their website. Waiting for mine now.
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hmm.. just looked at the website.. their pic looks like the original rev for N7-2013... the one I got has cutouts above and below the screen ~3/4 the width of the display... vs. their pic show just a cutout for the front facing camera.
EDIT: FWIW I have NO idea why the new cutouts above/below the screen were done this way. the other changes they made, make sense to me.
OMG, what the crap case!