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Hi,
If it wasn't for forums such as these, I feel I'd have missed out.
Just got this (S621) phone, via a new contract with Rogers.
It's my first smartphone, I had a WiFI pocket PC years ago.
I got this phone to serve two purposes. Bell coverage at my new rural home didn't work. With no land line, I needed to change providers; and as a developer I needed to be exposed to communicators because the users I serve are ever more on the run and my company Intranet doesn't reach them as needed and has not yet been optimized for mobile. I made the choice for S621 just as the WM6 update was released. Obviously the Rogers broker was surprised that was an option and the Treo 750 was presented to me as their non slide/smartphone WM6 solution. Not interested in that sweet phone as it had no wifi, I was going to get a PPC (TYTN or other) but I realized, while that suits ME better, my users are going to utilize smartphone more often for the next couple years.
I really love this thing. 3 days in, so easy, love the screen and the freedom from stylus.(yes it takes away from the poweruser, but it gets through the day better for the majority of users). It is just a different way to do things. A new fun world for me, I will now budget for a couple mobile devices a year. While I currently have a Data Plan it will be cancelled as the fees are still unreasonable. Good value for Email if that is what drives your day. But it is much less important to me compared to mobile web applications since I don't manage/react to business contacts or sell stiff. My employer dosen't really understand why this on the hip distributed application stuff is important yet, and thinking two years down the road isn't always a priority when times are tough. That means I had to gp out of pocket to stay current.
Reception, in my off the grid, frequent alien landing, rural swamp (ie. paradise) has been real good.
One more time, Thanks
Just an update after using this thing a while.
Amazing. Would be perfect in Europe with an unlimited data package as the GPRS and EDGE is plenty fast but until NA catches up with the rest of the world I'll take my hotspots where I can get them and pocket the cash for those other 29 days of the month. Unfortunately I haven't been able to code some of my existing full format line of business applications (SOA) to this platform yet (other than a few guilty pleasure tests, he he) as I've been involved in other projects. Can't wait, just renewed my MSDN VS2008.
So easy, so fun. Plus, such a great phone, CrakBery for the Microsoft fanboys.
I've been the owner of an HTC P3300 for almost 1,5 years and I'm seriously considering of abandoning the device. My main reasons for abandoning the device:
- you have to use the stylus too much. Face it: Windows Mobile simply isn't made for finger usage. Too many buttons, tabs, menu's etc are too small to control with your fingers in a comfortable way
- the device is getting too slow. I've been annoyed more and more lately about the speed of the processing capabilities of the device
- The good Artemis cookers have left us. There's little hope that the 'perfect' finger friendly rom will ever be cooked in the future. (no offense to the other rom cookers that are still there)
Strictly speaking about functionality the Artemis and any other recent Windows Mobile wins against an iphone. Speaking about usability, after 1,5 years always running the latest customised roms (B&B 3.7, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 & Artemis Touch 4.01, 4.02, Oops Black v1.0) I think that I am tired in spending time in trying to improve the capabilities of a device by constantly upgrading and reinstalling stuff which should be provided by the company ofering the device on the market.
Looking at the iphone, it has a high level of usablility, it's finger friendly from its launch as it should be, runs smoothly, and its software is constantly being improved. I will never have to start installing addons or hacking registry keys to improve the usability of the OS itself.
That sayd, i''m gonna buy an iphone next week Good luck in the future all you guys with your Artemis, but i've had it with it!
BTW, I just notice my signature is already way out of date
I already have 5 HTC devices but no Artemis yet...
I voted yes because Artimes is much the same as some of my devices and I'm happy with them. I will be getting an Artemis for shure if I find a cheap second hand.
I would rader have a phone with all functions I need ...then a finger friendly Phone witch is missing some verry important apps
i'll be happy with it...my dad and cousin have it and they are ok with it,i had it and it was great...(i still maintain those two and they work like a charm)
if you decide to abandon it...i'll be happy to provide you my address (for shipping)
and i am willing to pay...both device and shipping
PM me if you want
thanks very much
Hi,
I couldn't miss my Artemis for the world, it was once in repair and I bought a new one second hand. I have it from 2006 now.
I find it perfect cause of the all in gsm+gps+wifi and perfect pocketsize and second hand price now +-€250 is relatively cheap, newprice around €350 (bought it for €550! in 2007!). It's no too small and not too big.
1- Have no problems with Artemis concerning stylus and there are 'fingertouch' programs or roms. I have the resco big keyboard for sms and picturedial in one fingertouch.
2- Processorspeed : nothing wrong with it!!!
I use gps (IGO8 heavy graphics) & call via Bluetooth together, not slow in any way.
The rom i have is the Russian WWE rom with lots of ram free.
Wifi is also fast enough but I use laptop for bigger screen offcourse.
I have also mame-roms and tested lots of software, no speed problems.
With batterystatus you can overclock to 240mhz or something, but unnescessary, and remember, fast processor = battery exhaustion. In past i had the XDA 2i & E-ten G500 (both processors about 400-500MHZ, so double) but don't miss the 'faster' processor. Have my P3300 one week in my pocket now, and battery still 25% thanks 2 the TIO OMAP processor!
People say the processor is slow, but i wonder which applications they run together then??? Maybe pocket-photo-shop or do they edit movies or something ???
3-Actually I found out that the best cook is yourself. I never cooked a rom myself, but the smartest thing to do is take the lightest rom as a base, and put your own software on it. SPB Mobile shell for example for greater today looks, Greatball Samurai weather, ...
I test now and then new roms for fun if i'm not missing anything, but you own tuning is more fun and you know what you install, no unnescessary tools to remove...
I would only be prepared to buy a new device if the price is the same.
The HTC Diamond is nice for example, maybe within 2-3 years also €250 second hand.
Most advantage for P3300 is the SDHC cardslot vs Diamond has 3G (but don't miss it at the moment)
Cheers & enjoy our Greek God Artemis
Ciao,
Innovator
still happy
Brought a used 02 Orbit from the UK for about $230 AUD delivered, have updated the Rom and find it fast and stable. it has everything I want except for HSDPA.
Having said that will more than likely buy a touch diamond when released in Australia ....
1. It has HSDPA
2. It is 19 grams lighter
3. Looks more modern with the flush screen
But in no hurry, as mentioned happy with the Orbit
Hi all,
Still happy with it.... obviously it'll not last forever but i believe that other devices are still "doing more of the same thing" and 2 years are not enough to throw away my 500€ device....
Regrats
i am still very happy with my artemis. i use spb mobile shell and that's all i need for finger friendliness (considering its a WM device...).
i am considering to get a touch diamond because it looks like the first device that is really a newer generation than the artemis (hsdpa, lighter, better look, better display and vga, more memory and faster processor). the touch diamond offers more in almost every aspect.
next time my provider wants me to profit from one of these outrageous offers i will probably get the touch.
I voted Yes, still happy!
The roms that are available are all pretty good, I'd say, and the things you're missing one widely can add using some Apps - just have a look at the Development and Hacking section.
As you've mentioned the iPhone there's enough people around who ported the interface to WM - sometimes better, sometimes not.
But even where the iPhone seems to be the state-of-the art these days in terms of usability (haven't tried it myself), there's one thing I'd be missing: free software!
Sure the Artemis never was actually really fast if you compare it to others.
Still it's fast enough for me, so the point of time when that'll change is still way ahead!
Cheers,
Markus.
I'm also still Happy with my Artemis. I could play with IPhone 3G and also with HTC Diamond, but I won't change to one of them.
IPhone's Menu is really terrible structured. The Sync Software of IPhone is Apple like unstable. And I don't need 3d TouchFlo wich is used in HTC Diamond.
I will change to a new Phone, when the finger friendly WM7 has arrived in a stable version.
Greets
Roman
Yup..still happy !
I had an upgrade recently and because I was bored (I have a low theshold for same ole same old) I got a Nokia N95, and a Blackberry Pearl, just so I can amuse myself.....but nothing prepared me for the withdrawal shock of giving up my Artemis.
Needless to say, those other phones are back in their boxes in the loft, and possibly soon on a website near you.
I wont be surprised if after a while you get fed-up with the iPhone and it's 'cult-like' approach to hardware and software, and start groping for your Artemis....which hopefully wont have been gone !
still happy with the artemis, but the voice in my head starts yelling "diamond !! go get a diamond"
Daiphi said:
still happy with the artemis, but the voice in my head starts yelling "diamond !! go get a diamond"
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I went twice in a mobile store to see Diamond. I did not felt like "I have to buy it". It 's beutiful but I m not sure it will be my next mobile. There are a lot of discusions about problems, alot of new roms, tweaks to make it faster. Why should I be in a such trouble? My Artemis is "flying" with Vanilla4.1.
Maybe Touch Pro or Xperia will make me change mobile (or find diamond in a really low price).
Voted Yes
I'm one of the first HTC users, started with Wallaby year's ago.
Since then I was happy with my Himalaya (still using as second mobile phone), not so much with Alpine (as there was never an WM5 or WM6 version) and never with the Blue Angel (too heavy and keyboard unusable).
My very best mobile so far is the Artemis.
Fast like no other, very stable and full of functions I do really appreciate (as for example GPS, FM Radio).
Last week I got my Diamond and I really regret to say, it's not worth to buy it.
Slow like chewing gum, the Touch screen is really annoing me as using the stylus I'm sick typing up to 3 times the same position to have the function working.
Say to me I'm old fashined, it's OK.
But so far I will stay with my beloved artemis
I'm still happy with my device for what it does. And it does a lot!
I've gotten bored with it from time to time but I always come back to it. It's stable, fast, very capable, and it's very intuitive. You don't HAVE to use the stylus because you have so many input options. For one, the buttons you complained about. You don't like the buttons? That's what makes the Artemis unique - it's a small keyboardless device, with plenty of input/navigation options. It's got the scroll wheel, a pointer, a scroll ball, I've added touchflo, and 11 hardware buttons (great to use with Hbutton). There's no reason anyone shouldn't be able to set this phone up exactly they way they want to get to everything you need quickly. The programs I use most are opened with the press of one button. And inputting text with my finger nail is easier to me than using a keyboard too.
If you're not satisfied with you phone, you probably don't have it set up right for yourself, or your just bored with it. But for productivity and intuitiveness, I personally think it's one of the best WM devices ever. I bought it not because of prestige or hype like the you know what phone, but because of the lack of complaints about common problems with the device. It has none! It has the most solid reliability history - way better than the TyTn II, Trinity, the Wing, or the Eten devices I was looking at before I bought the Artemis. All of these devices have common issues like, short memory, screens going bad, bad BT stacks, wacky software, slow (even with 400Mhz), ect. The Artemis does not have one common issue that everyone has except WM itself.
And the iphone, are you kidding me! You can't do half the stuff you can do on the Artemis on the iphone. And the 3G iphone has a bunch of issues with it right now. Don't understand why people think they're going to avoid issues by going with the iphone. If you're a multimedia person, yea, but if you actually use your phone for productivity, you will not be happy with the iphone. It doesn't even multitask! If you want an iphone because your needs have changed and it fits, I'm happy for you, but I totally disagree if you think the iphone is better than the Artemis when it comes to capabilty. It all depends on your needs, but the iphone would never suite my needs. All in all, this is the best WM device I've ever used, and I've yet to see something worth upgrading to - even the Diamond. How do you quickly switch from one application to another to copy and paste rapidly on a Diamond or a iPhone? I just press the "e" button on my Artemis that's mapped "to Alt Tab" which toggles btwn programs. I can easily do that because I've got 5 other buttons to use for other stuff. These phones barely have any to use. That's one of the reasons I love my Artemis.
And why is everyone so anti-stylus? You don't really have to use it but it's great for writing out whole sentences at a time.
Innovator said:
. . . the smartest thing to do is take the lightest rom as a base, and put your own software on it.
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So,,, which is the lightest ROM for Artemis?
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So,,, which is the lightest ROM for Artemis?
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yue extraclean, alternatively vanilla 4.01
i am currently selling my iphone 2g 16GB, which i thought would be a worthy companion to make me dump my P3300...as u read i am selling the iphone!
the p330 is an all-day gear machine, which combines a number of simply working devices in one: phone, tomtom navigator, ipod/music player, office synchroniser...and the lot...and all that for a mere 100 euros these days in ebay europe!
stuff iphones and the flashy design and screen...i need a companion that works, is maintainable (exchangeable battery) and doesnt need to be pimpered and cared for in a daily basis -
greetz
p.s. htc touch hd would be an alternative, but than again i just got used, after all those years, to simpply using my p3300 without worrying about a bump here or a shake there...
i bought p3300 around 3 years back. i am satisfied with its performance. i bought nokia n900 few days back. my younger brother told me to give him one of these sets - i gave n900 away. cant part with p3300. n900 seems to have a juvenile operating system. no proper applications. moreover with that big screen they dont have a proper media player like core player or pocket player. i find my p3300 with omap far too advanced. everything i need i have on it. i format it but dont flash it - in say 6 months.
i vote for p3300. and yes, no sissy iphone for me.
Yeah!
Even I voted Yes. Because I have bought it from 2007, and I every month change its rom, I get updated and enjoy my time.
On the other hand, the processor is also not too bad!
I f you want to use Phone, Office, or write messages, that is good with FingKeyb 2.1
By the Way, it's your wish to sell it.
Best Wishes!
Thanks,
Don't revive an ancient topic please
This topic has been originally posted in 2008. I bet the OP doesn't even have the device anymore. Secondly, it's in the wrong subforum.
Therefore this topic is closed.
First of all,
I'd like to say this is my 4th Windows Mobile device. I've owned 2 HP PocketPCs, a HTC Touch Pro and now a HTC Touch Pro2. I like the looks of the Touch Pro2 a lot. However, I have never liked Windows Mobile at all.
How is this OS still around? All programs available for it are a nightmare to find compared to competition such as an iPhone, which has only been around for a couple years. Windows Mobile has been around for a while, why do I still have to repeatedly open and close my keypad for it to rotate the screen? Why when I want a game to play or program to help make my life a little bit easier, it takes 30 minutes to find and then turns out its some ridiculous price. Every time I see a person with an iPhone find, download and install an app within a minute from the device, I wonder why I would even pay for a Windows Mobile device.
I've never been a big Apple fan and I love my Sprint service, so what i'm trying to ask is what options do I have with my Touch Pro2? I've tried a couple ROM's and non of them have made my phone better, they just fix one problem and present another.
I really appreciate the work every developer does on here, I know they are trying their best to make the devices run as best as possible, but I'm very close to cancelling my Sprint contract and switching to an iPhone.
I have to disagree with your view. I don't find iPhones to be nearly as customizable as WinMo, I have tried Droid, and maybe in a year or 2 it will be a bangin' OS, but for stability, I will stick with my faithful workhorse...
Yes it isn't as pretty or flashy, yes it is a touch slower, but my WinMo devices have been like Timex...takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. I'll take that ANY DAY over flash. My last was the Wizard...I had it almost 4 years. If I buy a new battery for it, it will still work...but it doesn't have GPS which I really wanted. Now I have the TP2. I am NOT gentle with my phones. I use them for everything...my device keeps me on schedule, makes my calls, keeps my kids happy while waiting somewhere...I never power it off, and only charge it once every 2-3 days...
I have friends with iPhones and with Droid devices, and they have had to replace them under warranty, they carry chargers with them because the battery life sucks...they look good, I'll give them that...for me that isn't enough.
Each person has their own taste, maybe yours isn't a taste for WinMo, but I cannot agree that it SUCKS. I agree that there are things that I'd like to see updated or sped up a bit, but for the abuse it can take, WinMo is good.
Couldn't agree more with akashastrega, I had a Iphone 3GS for a month or so.
I got tired of it, nothing to do.
Same crap got pretty boring, and yes, the battery life on those suck.
These WM phones are extraordinary and much more customizable.
I just ditched a BlackBerry Pearl 8120 for my Touch Pro 2 yesterday. In the 10 hours I have had the phone, I have customized and tweaked it to my liking. I installed several programs I know I will love, and NO MORE LAGGING. I'm just missing 2 games and the Seidio Slim Extended Battery, and then it will be the phone I will carry everywhere for the next 2 years.
WM is great!
Disagree too,
Yes there are some issues, but if you spend some time tweaking and configuring you can get great results (using a good ROM)
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I'm new here, but I didn't join just to post this. I am gonna be getting a Tilt2 in the next couple days, and wanted to read up on things. I have had a few WinMo phones, and I currently have an Iphone... I have jailbroken my iphone, and the things I could do with it improved drastically, but I will tell you, stock for stock, I prefer the WinMo OS over the Iphone OS. I like it so much better, that now that it's upgrade time, I'm going back to WinMo with the tilt2.
Scott
jirobinson13300 said:
First of all, Windows Mobile has been around for a while, why do I still have to repeatedly open and close my keypad for it to rotate the screen?
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Try gyrator.
jirobinson13300 said:
I've never been a big Apple fan and I love my Sprint service, so what i'm trying to ask is what options do I have with my Touch Pro2?
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Try here and here.
I hate that everyone always threaten windows mobile users with picking up an Iphone. No one can make your mind up for you. Every phone/os has its problems and none will be perfect. I respect apple for waking up the industry and making everyone step there game up. But as far as im concerned anyone not computer illiterate, not picking winmo or even android before iphone reminds me of people who pay 100 for an hdmi cable.
My main beef with the T-Mo TP2 was the browser. There's IE, but IE is IE and we all know to avoid it like the plague, however, for certain things, it worked much better than the (surprisingly) crappy Opera Mobile 9 included in the latest Tmo US build.
It all changed, though, when I got Opera Mini 5 beta. That browser should be the standard against which all mobile browsers should be measured.
I also figured out how stupidly simple it's to tether my phone's 3G connection to my laptop with Vista (rather than android requiring a rooted system and kernel support) with an official build, no less. There are some things that lack polish, but HTC made a formidable job of keeping those encounters with the uglier parts of winmo at a minimum.
jirobinson13300 said:
First of all,
I'd like to say this is my 4th Windows Mobile device. I've owned 2 HP PocketPCs, a HTC Touch Pro and now a HTC Touch Pro2. I like the looks of the Touch Pro2 a lot. However, I have never liked Windows Mobile at all.
How is this OS still around? All programs available for it are a nightmare to find compared to competition such as an iPhone, which has only been around for a couple years. Windows Mobile has been around for a while, why do I still have to repeatedly open and close my keypad for it to rotate the screen? Why when I want a game to play or program to help make my life a little bit easier, it takes 30 minutes to find and then turns out its some ridiculous price. Every time I see a person with an iPhone find, download and install an app within a minute from the device, I wonder why I would even pay for a Windows Mobile device.
I've never been a big Apple fan and I love my Sprint service, so what i'm trying to ask is what options do I have with my Touch Pro2? I've tried a couple ROM's and non of them have made my phone better, they just fix one problem and present another.
I really appreciate the work every developer does on here, I know they are trying their best to make the devices run as best as possible, but I'm very close to cancelling my Sprint contract and switching to an iPhone.
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If you are just looking to use games and entertainment apps i strongly suggest you an iphone... WinMo devices are more for productivity and less for entertainment iphones on the contrary were made for the masses so that my be your kind of phone.
Yeah, WM really sucks, such as:
1) That sucky ability to tether and use as a WiFi hotspot.
2) Sucks that the hardware keyboard is hands down superior to the stupid iPhone on screen keyboard.
3) Sucks that MS Office is native, and greatly enhances my productivity on the road.
4) Sucks that I can customize and customize, where the iPhone is stuck how Steve Jobs wants it to look and work.
5) Sucks that the TP2 speaker phone is incredible. So good that I used it during a 10-person business meeting at a remote site where there were no landlines (iPhone could have never accomplished this).
Man, WM sucks! I better get an iPhone!
Anyway, most the iPhone "apps" that people are always raving about are all GAMES. I like to casually distract myself from time to time at the airport and such. But there are enough WM games for that. When it comes down to real apps, iPhone owners actually don't have many, they just download games. And there are WM versions of practically all of those.
If you're a kid that needs a toy, the iPhone is perfect. If you're an adult with real business needs, the iPhone doesn't cut it.
Why does it suck so bad? That's easy. Same reason IE 6 sucked horrendously, but was still used by 90%+ of all people browsing the web. Because Microsoft will take over a market, then let their products stagnate. They won't do anything groundbreaking or cutting edge at all once they've wiped out the competition.
Windows CE is 14 years old, and it is still the core of a lot of Windows Mobile. When MS finally beat Palm to rule the PDA market they let their OS stagnate. Along came cell phone connectivity, and MS made only minor changes to the OS to adapt it for smartphone use. MS didn't make any real efforts regarding a finger-based GUI until the iPhone came along and showed how bad Windows Mobile was in that area. Now MS is playing catch up - just like when Firefox came along and suddenly started eating up IE 6's market share, and woke MS up. They will catch up - it's much easier to implement something when someone else has already shown how it can be done. So I expect Windows 7 will be pretty slick.
hmmm... I have long pondered this question myself.
But, as the eternal wisdom of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie has shown us, "Every OS sucks."
So, it really comes down to a few deciding factors:
If you are a pompous **** that drives a BMW 3 series because you really can't afford a real Beamer, but you still want to catch diseases from women you don't know, you'd better get the iPhone.
If you question your own sexuality and you beg your mother to let you go to the $8 a cup coffee house to watch your favorite beatnick while wearing a $200 dollar Tshirt that looks like something from goodwill and you're 47, spend that extra $57 a month and get a droid.
If you're a pencilneck geek that probably hasn't had a sexual experience with someone else in a few years, but you have hacked into your toaster to burn computer generated pictures on your Albert Einstein shaped frozen french toast that you pulled out of your freezer that you grafted a 52" LCD screen onto that has your favorite fish from Dream Aquarium on it as your "pets", Winmo is probably for you.
(I hope everyone understands this post was made in jest.)
I wish we could "favorite" posts in the forum.....
...this would be a fave! LMAO
Ivanstein said:
hmmm... I have long pondered this question myself.
But, as the eternal wisdom of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie has shown us, "Every OS sucks."
So, it really comes down to a few deciding factors:
If you are a pompous **** that drives a BMW 3 series because you really can't afford a real Beamer, but you still want to catch diseases from women you don't know, you'd better get the iPhone.
If you question your own sexuality and you beg your mother to let you go to the $8 a cup coffee house to watch your favorite beatnick while wearing a $200 dollar Tshirt that looks like something from goodwill and you're 47, spend that extra $57 a month and get a droid.
If you're a pencilneck geek that probably hasn't had a sexual experience with someone else in a few years, but you have hacked into your toaster to burn computer generated pictures on your Albert Einstein shaped frozen french toast that you pulled out of your freezer that you grafted a 52" LCD screen onto that has your favorite fish from Dream Aquarium on it as your "pets", Winmo is probably for you.
(I hope everyone understands this post was made in jest.)
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I think the explanation for how crappy and slow WM cannot be rooted in Microsoft dominance. That explanation makes sense when talking about Windows, but MS never had a large share of the smartphone market. It may have been one of the earliest smartphone OS'es, but RIM's Blackberry has dominated the business-end of the smartphone spectrum in the US, Canada and the UK for a few years now.
I don't know what big business in East Asia, Continental Europe and the Middle East use, but I'm guessing it's not WinMo.
aniym said:
I think the explanation for how crappy and slow WM cannot be rooted in Microsoft dominance. That explanation makes sense when talking about Windows, but MS never had a large share of the smartphone market. It may have been one of the earliest smartphone OS'es, but RIM's Blackberry has dominated the business-end of the smartphone spectrum in the US, Canada and the UK for a few years now.
I don't know what big business in East Asia, Continental Europe and the Middle East use, but I'm guessing it's not WinMo.
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Personally I think it is the way they designed the WM OS. The registry entries are similar to what Windows has always used, and I suspect that the multi tasking and other OS capabilities are modeled after Windows products. The OS multiasks OK, but lags in the operator interface and updating the screen.
While I feel that most of the main points have been hit, here's my view. A few people have already said that WinMo is NOT meant as a gaming/entertainment OS, and they are very right. I use my Touch Pro2 for mail, conference calling, calender etc, and gaming and entertainment when I'm bored or something. I like to think of it like a netbook: it excels at internet (Opera 10 beta is a ninja) and other things, and games as a secondary use only. If WinMo doesn't fit your needs in a phone, then maybe look somewhere else. I also love flashing new roms, trying out android and ubuntu, and personalizing the UI of my phone....
Sent from my HTC Touch Pro2 =)
Ivanstein said:
hmmm... I have long pondered this question myself.
But, as the eternal wisdom of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie has shown us, "Every OS sucks."
So, it really comes down to a few deciding factors:
If you are a pompous **** that drives a BMW 3 series because you really can't afford a real Beamer, but you still want to catch diseases from women you don't know, you'd better get the iPhone.
If you question your own sexuality and you beg your mother to let you go to the $8 a cup coffee house to watch your favorite beatnick while wearing a $200 dollar Tshirt that looks like something from goodwill and you're 47, spend that extra $57 a month and get a droid.
If you're a pencilneck geek that probably hasn't had a sexual experience with someone else in a few years, but you have hacked into your toaster to burn computer generated pictures on your Albert Einstein shaped frozen french toast that you pulled out of your freezer that you grafted a 52" LCD screen onto that has your favorite fish from Dream Aquarium on it as your "pets", Winmo is probably for you.
(I hope everyone understands this post was made in jest.)
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For the record...I have had at least ONE sexual experience in the last few years and my twins are proof of THAT!! And my frozen French Toast is shaped like Tesla...and its not dream aquarium, it's Fish World!!
I use my WinMo to keep my life organized. It excels at BUSINESS...if I am waiting at an appointment, then maybe I'll listen to some music or play a game, but those abilities are not my NEEDS...my needs are keeping my life in order.
Like I said, I tried droid and even crackberry, and have enough friends with iPhones, for ME, sucky WinMo wins hands down...probably for the exact reason that the OP has given it a major Suck Factor!!
Said it before, I'll say it again, its like Timex!!
Another iPhony troll.
Please please please do get an iPhone, I'm sure you are a perfect match for it.
So I have taken a look at the new AT&T Tilt 2 ROM. While it is not bad it is nothing like my favorite from here. It does come with "Vlingo" pre-installed" I have to say that I find the idea of spoken text messages quite attractive.
To that end I have been working on getting vlingo on to my XDA ROM. I have gotten it to launch but it gets stuck at the "Checking connectivity" phase.
I have found through packet sniffing that the AT&T ROM identifies itself to the VLINGO servers with the following info:
DeviceID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (imei I think)
DeviceModel=HTC-ST7377
DeviceMake= (yes its blank)
DeviceOSName=WM_Pro
DeviceOS=5.2.21887
Language=en-us
Carrier=AT&T
CarrierCountry=310
My Cooked ROM is sending:
DeviceID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (imei I think)
DeviceModel=HTC Touch Pro2 T 7373
DeviceMake= (yes its blank)
DeviceOSName=WM_Std
DeviceOS=5.2.21911
Language=en-us
Carrier=3G AT&T
CarrierCountry=310
On the energy ROM I am getting back:
Make=unknown
Model=unsupported
I found the reg entry in the phone for the model and changed it to match but its still puking with the above. I checked the sent info and its identical to the AT&T ROM info
Anyone that has been doing this longer than I have any ideas?
I realize the cooked ROM is going to have the wrong OS ver etc...
Vlingo doesn't offer a WinMo version, so what's the point of cooking it in a ROM?
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Vlingo doesn't offer a WinMo version, so what's the point of cooking it in a ROM?
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Yes they do. There is a leaked version of the Tilt 2 ROM updated to sense 2.5. It comes PRE-LOADED.
Further, you can DL it for the Samsung "Jack" and use it. I got it right off their site.
Interesting. There's no mention of a WinMo version on their site, just iPhone, Android, BB and a Samsung version. If it is leaked how did it end up in an official AT$T ROM? Or are you talking about a different new Tilt 2 ROM? I'm very confused.
Wow, Welcome to XDA!
Vlingo & AT&T have been partnered for voice apps for a few years now. The intention was in part to bring Vlingo support to AT&T's WM devices. Yes weird since we have all been waiting for some movement on tell me which started great, has support & the infrastructure to be a really good application. However we should have Tell-Me for WM by now, especially since MS bought them out & their website promises an app for WM users Fall 2009.
The voice recognition/server is pretty fair & responsive. MSVC is way outdated using API & technology that has not changed since 2002.
It is really ashamed that these (HTC/MS) fall behind the curve in making devices truly worthy of being called smart devices. I still have my Blue Angel, it is still faster than my Tilt, Tilt 2 & Fuze & basically has all the same functions, just prettier wrappers, which are contributions of Samsung or LG or HTC anyway. The biggest advances made in WM technology over the last decade is from OEMS. Even simply things like TTS & SRE for WM have been around for nearly a decade. Individuals & small developers make bigger impacts on my smart phone IQ then MS & its plethora of subsidiaries.
MSVC is so outdated & voice control should be a staple base function of any "SMART" device. I bought my device unlocked for like 600.00, while every my PS3 does everything & more for 349.00 that my device does. I can walk around the house w/ a BT headset talking on chat or voip, play interactive games, watch blue-rays in 1080i, stream anything including netflix in 720p.
Sony come out with new features & updates, something for everyone, on a regular basis. But the "Tech. Leader" MS, drops 6.5 which is really a dolled up version of 6.1, which is really still just 6.0 & the funny thing is that my PPC2003SE Blue Angel & even my similar HX4700 & the slightly lesser Harrier all perform better, faster & more reliably than the latest HTC MS 6.1 & 6.5 devices.
MS, where is something new? Heck, where are the basics like voice control? why can you not do what android can do in just a few years? Embedded devices is the future. Even my desktop is an all in one, with no tower, & touchscreen flat panel with facial, finger print & voice recognition. All in one devices in simply designed packages/cases is the future & MS is seriously dropping the ball.
I could call Tell-Me years & years ago & get directions, searches, phone numbers & dialing/connection, so why is it that MS the now owner of Tell-Me releases a BB app before a WM app? Is Bill Gates buying stock in Google & Blackberry? I have for years been an avid PC/WM enthusiast & amateur developer, I always "said I hate apple", but seriously with the "true" video dialing, first in the US & new apps that truly do things without .net errors or constant need for reboot numerous time a day & especially with android & it's simply amazing apps, he better be. Even stupid apps like lunch are fun & useful.
Bottom line is why can't MS make a cost effective device with a truly decent camera that handles decent res video & truly hands free usage. All the new guys are doing it while MS scraps it's halfway interesting apps like Aurua bar-code, Tell-Me, etc... It's a huge disappointment when you own the companies providing infrastructure & have been coding SW for a few decades & are still having your rear handed to you by open source & the new guys on the block.
The only real difference between now & the late 80's/early 90's is that now I don't have to tether my Sony Clie to my StarTac or V to get total connection to web/contacts & mail. Quit worrying about MS Office Mobile so much, everyone is still gonna do most of their formula writing on a laptop or PC just a bit over the basics are all that most of us care about. Focus on 4G optimization, on low memory consumption, Higher memory devices, Faster Devices, HD media playback & recording/still photography, use the FM radio transmitter that most of the devices have disabled to transmit audio over radio-wave to our home theaters & car systems along with fast "TRUE" hands free functionality including STT & TTS so we can send & hear/read our emails without having to stop working or driving. Let us get info, web searches & send info with the push of one button & the power of our voices. Save us time & let us make more money so we will want to keep supporting your products because it is getting close to the point of no return. Open your eyes MS, even sites that have been exclusive to windows & CE are now changing their names & adding support or sections for android, iphone, and even a few of the smaller independent OS selections.
You guy's need to clean house seriously. Whomever is advising you as to what people want should be replaced or at least supplemented with newer blood. Your last chance I truly believe is that WM7 is the best thing ever & you work your butts of to make it freely available & compatible to those that bought flagship devices like TP2, HD2, Diamond 2, etc...
I love supporting American companies, even the big ones. But my support is not to be taken for granted, it is not blind & unforgiving to the point of hurting myself. All of the guys I started tweaking & developing with own an iphone now & use it more than the WM device they worked so hard perfecting. You are even losing your die-hard power users. They are giving up. Not to mention the new & intermediate user. Many big names that came out with amazing developments have left the WM forums out of frustration, always waiting for the next big thing (that never comes), they have moved onto Android or another platform & these same people used to find & fix the bugs you missed. I have seen XDA fixes in ROM updates. I myself, Sleuth fixed numerous 6.0 & 6.1 devices that had bad info flashed into blocks. Even much of that has stopped. Time to wake up MS & join us int the 21st century. Many of us are not professional geeks, even those that are still are business users, we run business, sales, service manufacturing, programing, etc... So it's no longer what that small group of geeks want, no, it's what the people want.
Does anyone think that the iPhone os and Android have helped kill the "smartfone"?
It seems these os's are intended for mainstream use, kind of like the symbian os a few years back where kid's, mom's and dad's used a nokia or even a motorola. While the business or tech heads used windows mobile for PC-like functionality.
Microsoft have dumbed down their w7 phone software to the point my grandmother, or 10 yr old brother could and would be sold one of these (as long as he had cash lol), in hope to compete against these new mainstream os's that are extreamly competitive already and not the business or tech-head market the os seemed to be initially intended for.
It seems the software design is focused on people updating their facebook status or tweeting that they are taking a dump, and not really using them for work purposes at all.
With windows phone 7 am i going to be able to work with basic word, excel and pdf docs? Will I be able to use remote desktop or setup multiple outlook email accounts? Will alot of the programs i use on pc be available in windows 7 phone format? I cant seem to find much info, all the reviews ive seen seem to concentrate on its "social networking features", or show its "image gallery" and uninspired UI.
A smartfone is suppose to be a mobile phone offering advanced capabilities. The iPhone and Android have pretty much become mainstream os's, so i personally wouldnt call them advanced devices, they are simply the 2009-10 standard device, a touchscreen multimedia phone with 3g connections. And windows 7 phone looks like its the same. I think Apple and Google have taken 2 steps forward and microsoft have taken 1 back. Leaving us with no real advanced mobile phone or os as they are all now on par, with android looking the most positive of these mainstream os's.
So if its not aimed at the business or hi-tech market, what are we going to buy? I wonder if we will all be trying to hack the windows mobile 6.5 os onto these new devices in the near future to get some multitasking business features and PC-like functionality back? Im sure it would run great on the new hardware hehe.
You are quite right IMHO, but there is simple reason for that.
MS was targetting PocketPC platform, giving "full PC in your pocket"-like experience. This was for techs, administrators, but not for teenagers eagerly wanting to touch their phones without stylus, browsing internet, having thousands of animations AND HAVING IT SIMPLE. With Apple and later Google coming out with platform that actually allows you to simply and naturally touch the screen with your finger without using stylus, do simple things simple way (and disabling the hard things, because why would teenager need eg PuTTY right, for security and having out of box experience "it works" without installing ton of software, going through registry etc), MS's sales are slowly moving towards 0. And now, MS is targetting those teenagers, giving them all Facebook integrated in contacts, with simple UI and powerful base for making rich applications and games.
That part is good, that MS restarted whole Phone experience, giving minimal requirements so no more sluggish phones (just look on even HD2, needing patching driver for GPU and so on), creating whole UI rendered on DirectX, having new kernel, thus having it all like.. superfast.
On the other hand, they locked it down as hell. No teenager (except me ) wants to go through registry, they just want to have ton of apps on marketplace, and ton of games they can play. No manual googling for stuff, direct access from phone with cool UI. That's it.
I wanted to say something more, but I forgot what I wanted lol.
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Let's skip the definition "Smartphone is PocketPC without touchscreen", and say how do I feel difference between Smartphone and PocketPC.
I see smartphone as being something stupid with some internal APIs, integration option. (iOS, Android)
And I see PocketPC as being full PC in my pocket. Because of screen size, CPU power, RAM etc, it ofc has to be redesigned a lot. But the main idea "do what you want anyhow you want" must be there. It isn't in case of Smartphone (WinMo, partially Android).
No smartphones are getting more advanced. Yes the interfaces are about eye candy now, but I'd take that over the old WM6 anyday.
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No smartphones are getting more advanced. Yes the interfaces are about eye candy now, but I'd take that over the old WM6 anyday.
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This. The OSs might have been dumbed down, but at the core, it's all what applications you use to run on them. I am way more productive with my iPhone than I ever have been an other smartphone before then, and I will be with WP7 more so with it's amazing Office integrations
can you elaborate on the office integrations? Are there new office features that we havent seen on mw6.5?
If you are more productive on your iPhone than on wm6.5 are you using it for business/pc-like features or for social multimedia use?
Im just disapointed that they seem to have locked down the device, dumbed the UI to a point it actually looks like a really bad skinning attempt to conserve ram lol. The first pics i saw of the w7phone i thought must have been someones photoshop attempt at a joke. I lol'd then got a look of concern on my face as I realised they were real pics.
They are trying to enter into a mainstream teenage market already accomodated by the iPhone and now android. Leaving the traditional "pc in your pocket-business user" market with a void.
I personally dont tweet, dont use facebook, and would never use a xbox live service while im taking notes on my device in a meeting. I regularly work on my home/work pc through remote desktop. Use the calendar to set appointments, browse multiple websites at once and generally run 2-3 apps at the same time. I regularly use word and excel, and always sync my business/personal emails from by pc each morning.
I suppose the question is will wm7 be right for me? I would have preferred them to concentrate on new touch friendly business applications, handwriting recognition and smarter gui, not concentrate on social networks and games which make it seem to much like a teenagers phone. If these features i need are there that will be great and ill consider it. If not I think ill have to look into being converted into an androidian and lay my pc in my pocket to rest in a safe place as one of the last of its kind
Many of us wonder how it will be.
From the sales point of view, you have to simplify and make more eye candy
to increase your sales 10 or 100 times.
Just count how many Communicators Nokia sold, or HTC TyTn II's
and compare to iPhone.
But it's possible that following the smartphone's expansion
users beeing more conscious will want more functionality
which will be brought back........
I'm very happy with better cameras and screens though.
And hardware became so strong too.
So not all is lost.
THE ONLY QUESTION is if Microsoft is willing to bring all those missing things
or not........................
I pray for the resurrection of the PPC!
If I had this
Vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mej7sf4uonI
If it was the shape and size of the HD2, I would be in love again!
Yes it would appar that MS is moving to a more of a "walled garden" approach
yeah that sony in hd2 form factor would be great, i was hoping the tp3 would have been a similar device. Bring back the ppc! hehe.
anhyeuemmaimai said:
"walled garden"
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Otherwise known as prison
devis said:
Otherwise known as prison
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More like safety. I'll keep my guaranteed updates through one provider thank you very much.
I dont see why you are complaining about the path that manufacturers are going today.
It is easy to know WHY they make advanced devices simpler to use, (to get a broader consumer base).
And I must admit I will miss the usability of winmo, but when you think about it, who uses the original UI of that OS? It's all skinned for eyecandy and simplicity to the end user.
So I would like you to see the bright side of this: The HTC TP2 will cost next to nothing very soon (well its darn right cheap already!). And it seems it has all you need!
For taking notes who needs 1ghz, right?
So I consider it a win-win situation for you, cheap phones with the functionality you require
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The concerns are understandable, but I wouldn't say MS is abandoning the business user. In fact, I would state they are allowing the business user to encompass the newer business model also which includes facebook, twitter and other social mediums. Since you don't use either (directed to the OP) you may have missed that nearly every large corporation has a Facebook page and many are using Twitter to stay in touch with their user base.
The business model of marketing has changed dramatically in the last 5 years and I wouldn't give the credit to either the Iphone or Android, but to the social marketing that occurs with mediums such as Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, etc... I must admit that I fought being a part of these as did many of my friends (ages 35-42), but truth is they work great when it comes to actually being in contact with each other and for a business, it's customer base. Word of mouth has always been the true back bone of these businesses growing and these social mediums all take word of mouth and expand it's power by the millionth.
I applaud MS for actually creating a brand new ui and os to take advantage of both. If you are really concerned with your ability to be productive on the machine look at the many videos we've seen so far. You still have outlook, the office suite, etc... I am unsure if remote desktop will remain available but I believe it will in WP7.
The people who are left out are us nerds. The systems are lockdowned for now on and we get left out the loop, but we buy less phones than the clones do even if we are the reason these things work out properly with all of our experimenting, rom chefs and willingingness to beta test any and everything that comes our way.
ok, so I'm enjoying my Desire's speed and stability compared to my WiMo HTC Touch HD. I can still use Word and Excell and synchronize email and calendars, etc. But there is one thing I am missing: handwriting recognition. Now people will tell me to use Swype (which I am) but it's still not the same thing. With the stylus and handwriting recognition I used to sit in meetings and take notes for real. Now it somehow does not work as well and I also feel a little like a joke swyping. I am not much of a poking-through-the-registry kind of guy but I did like having complete access to the file system, being able to move any file where I wanted it, and so on. But I guess this is just the way this world goes. IN the meantime, I am sticking with android for now. It seems that windows phone 7, although it does look great, I love the look, I just cannot part with copy and paste. There is more to this world than tweeting and facebooking.
^ I can agree to that. Not the swype part though, its fast as hell.
If i had to choose between windows mobile 6 or wp7, i have already made my decision
I will surely choose wp7, not because wm 6 is bad, but because wp7 works fluid. And I need my daily amount of eyecandy
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It seems that windows phone 7, although it does look great, I love the look, I just cannot part with copy and paste. There is more to this world than tweeting and facebooking.
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Definetly find me in agreement with you on this point. I won't be even thinking about it until copy and paste come along.
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Definetly find me in agreement with you on this point. I won't be even thinking about it until copy and paste come along.
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I think the only time I have ever used copy and paste on my Vibrant is when I had to put in my unlock code for Launcher Pro. Other than that I really don't use it on a daily basis.
I think my more frequent use is just to clear a text im writing because they texted back and it changed my opinion, so I just cut all to delete it lol
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I think you mean a court yard. One which you can freely enter or freely leave. Seriously if the first thing that pops into your head when thing of walled gardens are prisons...I'd talk to someone about that...
I think most people complaining now are not thinking long term.
Yes the OS is simpler and 'less' business and PPC focused. But. Think of it like this.
Start with simple yet powerful OS with enough feature to hook some power-users and easy enough for the average consumer to pick it up.
Now this is where the strategy plays out over the years to come. You train you base customer with update that over time make the OS more powerful and more feature rich much like PPC that they don't even know they're using a smartphone because you have "trained" them.
Sound familiar. It was the iPhone tactic from when it was released. Everyone knows the feature the iPhone4 has now could have existed years ago but they are "training" their user base.
Analogy time: If someone handed you an Indie car (PPC) and said race it you would be so confused by all the buttons and controls and not know how to handle it effectively.
But.
If they handed you a Suzuki Swift (WP7 (No idea why I thought of this car: P)) and said they will teach you to drive you'll have no worries buying from them again and buying a slightly (updates) more powerful car next time.
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I think the only time I have ever used copy and paste on my Vibrant is when I had to put in my unlock code for Launcher Pro. Other than that I really don't use it on a daily basis.
I think my more frequent use is just to clear a text im writing because they texted back and it changed my opinion, so I just cut all to delete it lol
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I am a writer/musician so I copy and paste words a lot. I also copy/paste links, etc... when I am sending them out to people on twitter/facebook.