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:? Boy do I feel dumb.
I've been using a 3-1 stylus (from Proporta) on my M2K and today the plastic "tip" got stuck in the unit's slot! Peering down the slot using a desk-lamp I can see the tip and it's off-centre to the actual axis of the hole. It looks like the hole for the stylus is NOT a tube - but is instead merely an opening into the unit. (thinking about it - I'd noticed that the stylus tip was "awkward" to fit into the slot a couple of times - obviously it had been getting caught in the body-work).
Stupidly I've further compounded my troubles by attempting to fineagle (technical term.. ) the tip out by using a biro refill - and the tip of the biro refill got stuck in the stylus tip!!! AAARGH! :shock:
Looks like I'll need to dismantle the entire bloody unit to get this thing out - so... how do I do it, what do I need, and where can I obtain the tools??
DOH!!!!
Damm, your having one of those day's
Just as a side note.
Don’t buy or use 3 in 1 stylus, they will break the clamp in the device holding the stylus in place so the stylus gets so loose that it will slide out and in without any resistance
Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!
nomadman said:
Check your warranty before taking your unit apart!
You'll need a T6x60 and maybe a T7x60 drive. Then search for a thread on this forum that will guide you through the dismantling process.
good luck!
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somehow I doubt Orange will be terribly impressed with what's hapened!!!
Anyone know how much it would cost to have the unit dismantled by a repair workshop (and thus maintain the warranty)? And is there such a place in central London?
Why not try the finest tad (more technical phraseology) of super glue on the end of your 3 in 1, push in hole, wait 1 minute and pull out. It might just work and surely would have done without that biro bit. Got to be worth a try - but be frugal with the glue !
By the way, I've used a 3 in 1 form Proporta for 3 months now and the old stylus fits and is retained just the same as its always has done (just tried it).
Stylus.
Hmmm I dont remember where i bought mine, but this is the second time i need to get the 9090 to service.
There is no resistense at all, it just slide in and out by it self
They are going right to the trashbin now.
Do you have a link to where you got yours??
Bottom stylus is the original.
Much more soft in the area where the clamp goes in
Mine came from here;
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=933&t_mode=des
But having looked at your photograph, and had a good look at my stylii, the 'shoulder' is different on my original stylus and that from Proporta - just as your picky shows. Still haven't had a problem though - YET.
Don't like it that you have to take of the tip to use the pen as reset tool
The ones i got are working very good, but I just cant use them any more since they destroy the clamp.
Here's one more pic.
I don't. I just use the tip of the stylus for re-set.
If you pull out the stylus and look into the hole in the BA, does it look like white plastic clamps in your BA.
I can se 2 white plastic clamps in mine.
Yes - just the same !
Since we both have plastic clamps, my stylus clamp shoulders must be the reason for the defect in the BA.
Well then I can only say to anybody reading this thread, don't buy 3 in 1 stylus that look like the ones in the pictures :!: :!:
TIP: Use a software to reset the PPC. I use CLaunch on normal reset. During lockups, I have to use the stylus. But that's only 1out of 10 resets.
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html
nomadman - sir, sorry this is out of the topic.... i just noticed your ROM version... where did you get the ROM update for our XDA IIs?
Thanks!
YAY! Fixed it last night.
1 T6 driver and 1 small flat bladed screwdriver were all the tools necessary.
Just removed the 2 silver screws, and 3 of the black ones (the "Void" sticker was untouched) and the rear cover was loose enough to allow the very flat blade of the screwdriver in just far enough to dislodge the "item" and it just dropped out.
reassembly was easy and the only shock I got was when I turned the unit back on the emergency battery was nearly dead!! I'd only had the main battery off the unit for 5 minutes!!!! Not terribly impressed by that I have to say.
Anyone know how to tighten the slider mechanism for the keyboard?
My XDA IIs is really loose, if I hold the XDA upright and slide the keyboard
out it wil slide back down on its own.
Need to tighten this somehow.
Anyone?
Thanks
G
Thought I'd bump this one up as I to am having the same issue, anyone any ideas?
Paul
Same problem here, I took a piece of felt and attatched it right under the space bar it helped some would like a better solution if anyone has found one.
Only ONE SOLUTION = SEND IT BACK!
I've sent my second one back last week. If you look at a thread a few months ago regarding pictures of the inside, you can see that there are NO SCREWS in relation to the tightening of the slider. It's just metal sliding on metal so once it's worn, it's worn for good. With my typical usage these devices seem to have a life of about 4 months before I have to send them back. I'm waiting on number 3 now...
Hope this helps!
Dom
xdadom said:
Only ONE SOLUTION = SEND IT BACK!
I've sent my second one back last week. If you look at a thread a few months ago regarding pictures of the inside, you can see that there are NO SCREWS in relation to the tightening of the slider. It's just metal sliding on metal so once it's worn, it's worn for good. With my typical usage these devices seem to have a life of about 4 months before I have to send them back. I'm waiting on number 3 now...
Hope this helps!
Dom
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You mean they replace the whole unit? or just the metal thing?
I had mine a couple of weeks now, and when I got the unit, the keyboard was tight as a V..... but now, i can push it out with no effort, good thing its protected in a metal case.
Xda Repair
I sent mine back today for both a loose keyboard and the fact that pressing one button seems to activate like 2 or 3 others.
My keyboard became too loose to stay up very soon after I first got the unit. I did however spill coke all over it and after that the screen stayed up perfectly for months
Probably not a recommendable solution though.
Lewis
How to fix the issue
You need to get a coffee can and then put the blue angel device in it. Fill it up with gas and light it afire. Now stop complaining and go buy a alpine. Blue Angel devices where the worst device HTC has ever released.
Mike
I fixed mine
The red color surrounds the responsible area of the mechanism slider.
So you just need tape and rubber matirial about 1mm thickness or use the same tape used on the housing "it's surrounded in yellow ", attach it from the back to force the cliper...
You can test the slider b4 closing the housing cover..
Do this at your own risk!!!
Good luck
the problem now is... how to open xda IIs ??
i already open from back side, but i can't separate the keyboard from the screen.... is there anyone who have step by step to separate keyboard from screen then we can solve this sliding problem.... thanks....
there are 4 screws holding the keyboard on the screen.. slide the keyboard all the way open and two are at the top and the other two you can access through holes on the keyboard that line up with them.. the parts that the keyboard slide on are not metal.. they are plastic and melted into place if you look closely.. you can take very small pieces of plastic and super glue them in the correct places to tighten the screen up some.. just takes a little enginuity
Hi guys, just wondering if any users out there are having the same problems as me. ive had my Blue Angel now for a good 6 months and im very happy with it appart from it doesnt ring which is very very annoying :twisted: anyone know a fix for this?
But main reason for this post is; has anyone got the same problem that the holder for the stylus has become used and now doesnt hold the stylus in place anymore? i remember there being a click when pushing the stylus in. but now it just falls out when i tip the PDA upside down.
Anyone whos opened up a BA can you give any details on how the holder works? can it be modded so that it grips the stylus again? im one for opening up electrinics and playing with them but since i use this for alot of my work i cant risk it.
many thanks for any replies.
DJUPLIFT
I have the same issues. I tried to take mine apart but could not seem to separate the back side of the case. I removed 3 screws from behind the battery, and one from either side of the device. I too would like any input.
It totally blows... cos i always end up taking the phone out of my pocket and sometimes i dont hear the stylus drop. ive already lost two like this... it might end up being more expensive to just keep buying stylus than to open the BA and screw it up... All in all my ones been opened already :shock:
i dropped it on concrete and somehow the touchscreen stopped working although the screen was intact. O2 replaced it with a brand new one for diddly sqwat!! FANTASTIC!!!
i might just take it appart next weekend and have a little look inside see if there is a way to access this comparment and maybe doing a little DIY style modding!
if i come up with any conclusions ill post them with some pics of course!
DJUPLIFT
a friend of mine took his apart and there does not appear to be a way to tighten the stylus. He said it was just a small plastic protusion that held it in place. Once it wears, you are out of luck. Have not seen this myself, but thats what he tells me..
Regards
chris
that's correct, it's just a plastic clip protruding to grab the gap on the stylus. if it's broken, you may just have to put a tape or sticker around the stylus to make it tighter.
there are 4 screws (one under the void sticker) where the battery goes. i just took mine apart to tighten slider. it's back to sliding smoothly & tight, however, there's still a noticeable gap (between the screen plate & keyboard plate).
anyone knows how to eliminate this gap (about 2mm)?
Try this solution: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15120&highlight=loose+stylus
Cheers
Frankman
I use 1 layer of tape around the stylus. spanning the groove in the stylus. This seems to make it a good bit tighter, but does not fix the problem entirely. Hope that helps..
Regards
Chris
i dont like the idea of having tape on my stylus... looks well tacky going into a metting with clients!!
so i took some black insulation tape and made small squares with an art blade and stuck them to the inner edge of the holder... now it sits there nice and tight like a school girl
S O R T E D!!!!
cheers for the help guys/gals.... if any....
An idiot friend of mine put a blade of grass in the stylus holder and now it wont come out. How do I fish it out? The good thing is, my stylus doesn't slide out so easily anymore.
I have also encountered this problem(i got my BA 6 months till now), however it is not that loose as what ur described. at lease it never drop out when i was outside. (after reading this i become worry about it)
I used to own a IPAQ 5550, when i got my BA, i thought the quality of the stylus is better than ipaq's plastic stylus(should have some heavy stuff insde..), i like the BA's metalic stylus.
Now i found that the IPAQ plastic stylus + the spring-like system inside the whole is much better...i want to have one BA + the metalic stylus + the spring-like system to hold the stylus....
if some day i am that unlucky to lost my BA's stylus i will try to use the 3-in-one PDA pen... once it lost one, i may lost another... i wont use normal stylus if it happened.
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i dont like the idea of having tape on my stylus... looks well tacky going into a metting with clients!!
You have to use that "invisable" tape and only the keyboard and buttons if its a Director or above! :lol:
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Loose stylus - Stylus falls out
This has worked for me. It's been 5 months, and it still works.
-Back up your data.
-Remove the cover you will find a small tab in the stylus channel intended to engage the notch cut into the stylus. Gently push the tab back into the stylus channel so that it will engage the stylus notch once again. Be careful if you push it too far it will break.
-Slide the stylus into the channel to verify that the tab again engages the stylus notch.
-Remove the stylus again.
-Apply a small dab silicone sealant (available at any hardware store) behind the stylus retention tab. This is the "V" shaped area between the tab and the case. Be sure to fill this entire area. When the silicone has cured it will become a spring with much better position memory then the original plastic tab had on its own.
-Reassemble your BA.
-Allow 24 hours for the silicone to cure before inserting the stylus into the channel.
I believe this is more then a repair, it is an upgrade.
Good Luck,
N2O2
Yet again we're having to come up with dodgy (although well thought out) solutions to HTC's shoddy design flaws. My BA is about 3 - 4 months old and its up to this already. I keep finding my stylus on the floor.
Thing is, all these solutions void the warranty and I have to take mine back soon (See the Xray thread ) and am hoping for a replacement on insurance.
The P800 and XDA2 had this problem as well, but surprisingly I have NEVER lost a single stylus in my life! I always just happen to find them again. One time I found my P800 stylus 2 days later in the street between my college and my flat :S
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N2O2 said:
This has worked for me. It's been 5 months, and it still works.
-Back up your data.
-Remove the cover you will find a small tab in the stylus channel intended to engage the notch cut into the stylus. Gently push the tab back into the stylus channel so that it will engage the stylus notch once again. Be careful if you push it too far it will break.
-Slide the stylus into the channel to verify that the tab again engages the stylus notch.
-Remove the stylus again.
-Apply a small dab silicone sealant (available at any hardware store) behind the stylus retention tab. This is the "V" shaped area between the tab and the case. Be sure to fill this entire area. When the silicone has cured it will become a spring with much better position memory then the original plastic tab had on its own.
-Reassemble your BA.
-Allow 24 hours for the silicone to cure before inserting the stylus into the channel.
I believe this is more then a repair, it is an upgrade.
Good Luck,
N2O2
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Great idea! It's perfect!
THANK YOU N2O2
N2O2
You just made the wiki hall of fame
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Sty_stopper
Any Kentucky Fried Chícken fans out there?
After losing 5 styli - not only because they were loose in the holder (one went on the motorcycle after I missed the holder hole and then let it go) I came up with this junky solution.
The KFC corn cob holders are a good diameter (had to add a thin layer of tape) and just long enough to be modifiable to add a knureld part at upper end. At at least one of their restaurants I found them outside of the front counter and was able to obtain a few cheap spare emergency styli
Oh well.
:lol: :lol: HAHAHAHAHA You are grade man .....
Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.
Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.
Lost another one from the new phone in the few hours since I posted the KFC thing.
Uuuups - time to go out for a buckt of the Colonels finest.
I'm curious to know if you can get it back together with all the seems as tight as when it was new. I want to get a new case off ebay but I want to know if there's problems with if fitting together again after it's been disassembled.
I was able to do it. It came out pretty good but I did slightly bend the metal edge of the new frame when I had to reopen it to align the reset button cover. But it's so slight, no one would ever be able to tell but me. All in all, it wasn't too bad, but it was just nerve racking having your $500 phone ripped apart and wondering if it will work when you put it back together - if you can get it back together. I was so relieved when I got the WM screen again!
A few pieces of advice:
For one, the instructions I read just said to disconnect the ribbon cables. Well it doesn't say that all you have to do is flip up the little plastic part to release the tension from the ribbon. (figured that out the hard way)
Also, make sure the rubber covers for items like the mic and reset button line up before you resecure the board to the frame. You DON't want to have to reopen it.
My phone will now stay covered with an excellent silicone cover made by Boxwave. The cut-outs are precision - you can get to everything. Also, it fits nice and tight like a glove. And it's just thick enought to protect, fit in the carrying case, and allow you to use all the buttons easily, especially the scroll wheel. (my last cover was too thick to use it with the cover on) I don't want to have to do this surgery an my phone any time in the near future so this is staying on my phone.
Problem when change housing
Yesterday I've change my M700 housing with P800. But as we know, they have different button map.
Now, I am trying to set up a hotkey for the Call button (Green button),
ie, when I press the call button, an application of my choice would
start running. For that I need to change the default settings in the
registry of the Pocket Pc. Could someone tell me where the default
settings of the call button is stored in the registry and what all
values should I change in the registry so that I can setup the call
button hotkey. Any help would be highly appreciated.
Why not just download hbutton and map as many programs as you like to the other available buttons? I've got like 12 prog mapped to 5 buttons.
Edit: Oops. I missed the point of your post. The buttons are mapped differently.
I've had my Motorola Defy for ~3,5 months now and I'm happy with it exept some quality issues.
The battery seems to fit very bad and is wobbling when moving the phone quickly.
The volume buttons are also making sounds seems to be bad fitted as well.
It doesn't exactly scream quality over my unit, and my question is:
Is my Defy defect, and should be replaced? Or is this something they can get away with?
Enjoy my video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7rEVuNbs4
No it's not defective. They all do that. I put a little piece of foam under the one corner of the battery to stop the wiggle. The volume rocker is just a plastic piece between the case and the actual buttons that are underneath. The real buttons are sealed for water resistance, so the plastic button that you press will wiggle a bit because it's not really attached to anything, but rather it floats there.
My battery wobbles about, fixxed it by jamming a slightly folded piece of paper between the chassis of the phone and the battery at the top near the camera.
My volume keys are also wobbly so to speak, but I havent found a fix.
Im not bothered about getting exchanged either, its too much hassle.
My battery doesn't wobble. My volume keys don't rattle. Today is 7/11 you should be lucky otherwise.
yeah, my battery wobbles too, and i too put a piece of paper between the battery and the case never had any problems with the volume rocker though...
sent from my cm7 defy
Thanks for your replies guys. It seems like this behaviour is standard on the Defy. Which is a shame. The quality feeling over it is completely blown away and makes me really sad to know what an excellent phone it could've been (Without having to McGuywer things).
Well, will have to think about returning it or not. I really want to have a non-wobbling phone when I've paid several hundred dollars for it.
Thanks again.
A little wobbling is okay, and sometimes desirable, you have to take into account the thermal expansion characteristics of different materials.
If everything fits "too well", it's more easy to break under extreme temperature.
Designing a key that has little to no wobble is very difficult if you consider that there are variations in every part that make up the design. There's the variation of the tactile switch under the key, variation in the placement of the switch itself on the circuit board, variation in the injection molded plastic housing, variation in the injection molded plastic key that you interact with on the housing.
If you were to design without considering all the possible combinations of the parts with different variations, you can end up with 2 scenarios
1. The keys are so tight that they actuate the tact switch permanently without you having to press on them.
2. The keys are so loose that even when you press down hard, they don't come in contact with the tact switches on the circuit board, and you don't have any function.
Functionality is always top priority. Wobbly keys are the side-effects of manufacturing variations, and we'll just have to live with them. Out of 1000 products, you may get 1 where every part seems to fall into the right combination, and you get the perfect fit. If so, you're damn lucky. On the other hand, you may also get 1 where every part seems to fall into the wrong combination to make a super wobbly key, but the design would have taken into account that it would remain functional. If so, you're unlucky, but it's not considered a defect because it still functions when you press it.