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Hey Guys
i just considered installing the new WM6 Update for my German O2 XDA Orbit...
but as far as I read, I came to a conclusion, its not yet worth installing because of the very poor battery life? Or is this "registry hack" mentioned in another thread really working?
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\AutoLoad\ TRUEFFS_DOC1] "Bootphase"=dword:00000002
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\ TRUEFFS_DOC1] "MountHidden"=dword:00000000
Did anybody have a good experience? I am still unsure.
Thx for your hints!
Vic
i have edit, customized and write to XDA Orbit extrom, this is work perfect and i have not problem with battery !!
look this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296276
I'm with you on that nicknicker. It is tempting to do the WWE WM6 but it doesnt seem like it would be as stable as I would need it to be. I travel a lot and relay on the calender/wifi/and email functions of my phone and risking stability is not in my budget. I guess one could ask why I even bother playing with it in the first place...but what I have accomplished thanks to this board has been worth it. I am going to wait for the HTC or O2-UK WM6 release.
I am however very impressed with the fact that these people were able to do this...
i did the WM6 english update as it is described in this forum 5 days ago and the only thing i can say is that its AMAZING !!.. everything works fine , super FAST and i have absolutely no problem..
i havent noticed any battery problem and definetely i will keep this rom.
i recomend it!
My P3300 is running faster than with WM5 before. The battery indeed seems to drain a little faster than in WM5.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\AutoLoad\ TRUEFFS_DOC1] "Bootphase"=dword:00000002
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\ TRUEFFS_DOC1] "MountHidden"=dword:00000000
Not realy working for me.
After one night battery goes down with 20-30% only in standby
wakke said:
My P3300 is running faster than with WM5 before. The battery indeed seems to drain a little faster than in WM5.
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Is this not because you're playing with the phone more now that its WM6? I know that when I first got my Artemis the battery life seemed appalling after my previous SE device. After a few days once I'd stopped playing around with it so much the battery life seemed to get better (possibly the battery becoming better conditioned after a few charges?) and even now when I use it more it obviously lasts less time.
Have to say, no issue with battery life since WM6 upgrade here.
I did the OS upgrade only as my device is still CID locked. Perhaps it's something in ther radio flash from the rest of the full package.
I did the upgrade, battery life is worse, but machine is pretty faster than B4.
Another issue is that the call-auto recorder Vitonote software ainta able to record calls anymore. I am waitin for un update.
Each time I did the registery hack my ppc goes bad, with new "extendROM" appears in my storagecard??? wondering why?
Is there a way to flash the windows mobile 6 part only and keep the existing radio version 02.67.90 ?
TIA
Blackfire said:
Is there a way to flash the windows mobile 6 part only and keep the existing radio version 02.67.90 ?
TIA
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This WW6 doesn't touch your radio version at all cuz it aint complete ROM, so Don't worry about Radio here.
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Is this not because you're playing with the phone more now that its WM6? I know that when I first got my Artemis the battery life seemed appalling after my previous SE device. After a few days once I'd stopped playing around with it so much the battery life seemed to get better (possibly the battery becoming better conditioned after a few charges?) and even now when I use it more it obviously lasts less time.
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yes, that can be true what you are saying.
- one thing I noticed is that I am not able to install the gmail midlet... anybody else has this problem?
o2Customer services and WM6
Not sure if this is too relevant to the thread but thought i would share anyway!
I spoke to th lovely people at O2 UK whom suggested the proper release of the WM6 rom for the XDA Orbit (Artemis) will be the back end of the summer!
This being my first XDA, is the the kind of support you get from O2 UK? I mean, Germany have the ROM already available as a download, not only that but their site is far better and far more informative!
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Not sure if this is too relevant to the thread but thought i would share anyway!
I spoke to th lovely people at O2 UK whom suggested the proper release of the WM6 rom for the XDA Orbit (Artemis) will be the back end of the summer!
This being my first XDA, is the the kind of support you get from O2 UK? I mean, Germany have the ROM already available as a download, not only that but their site is far better and far more informative!
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Damn, really hope HTC releases their WM6 sooner, if not i'm gonna send it to Smart Mobility for repair
Gajet said:
Have to say, no issue with battery life since WM6 upgrade here.
I did the OS upgrade only as my device is still CID locked. Perhaps it's something in ther radio flash from the rest of the full package.
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Followed this up. Reinstated the original t-mobile ROM then did the OS upgrade keeping my old radio 02.49.90.
Seems to have worked well. There doesn't seem to be any issue with the CPU being ramped up and so far the battery life seems much better.
Maybe the t-mobile devices don't get on with the latest radio version?
ps does anyone which drains the battery faster exchange server or imap checking every 5 min?
Cheers
Matt
Hello, I just upgraded to official ROM 3.54.255.3 with Radio 1.48.00.10. It was absolutely useless. Phone was freezing very often, calls were lost in couple of seconds, but the timer continued to count and all looked like the call continues. It was not possible to finish it by red button or “End” button on display, just by Soft Reset.
I upgraded just Radio to 1.51.00.10. It’s better but still bad. I’m loosing calls, sometimes Internet connections falls down stating that modem was disconnected and than phone searches for signal again. Sometimes after reset Phone part doesn’t start and doesn’t require PIN. It’s necessary to reset couple of times or to remove battery and switch it on again.
Could someone please recommend me proved version of Radio ROM? I’m using in Czech Republic for O2 (former Eurotel) network.
Is it possible, that it’s HW problem? My TyNT felt down on the floor couple of times
THANK YOU ALL A LOT IN ADVANCE
TYTN in Serbia - same GSM radio problems!
Please is there any known stable version that works in third world countries?
TYTN is almost completely uselell with 1.41 radio in Serbia!
Even if it is old rom no problem! I'm willing to go back to wm5 if needed just to have good and stable GSM!
Is there any app capable of testing htc radio to see if it is hardware flow?
Please HELP!
i have the oficial rom instaled in english and everything works fine more faster and more stable
Downgraded radio to 1.47.00.10 yesterday evening, looks better, will post results this evening.
1.47.00.10 is what i've downgraded to.
1.50 and 1.48 were absolute crap for me in California.
1.47.00.10 is a great radio! no complaints at all so far
This discussion is useless - best radio depends on local network you are using. For me the best still is 1.38 (Plus GSM in Poland), but I know that in Era GSM people have no problem with 1.51.
So the best is to try all available version and check, which one works best in given country, network and region, not to mention if we are using GSM or 3G.
crap radios
Same problems with these radio and O2 in CZ
So I was testing 1.47.00.10 whole day. Another disaster, on the beginning of the they everything was fine, with every call received the behavior of TyNT was worst and worst. Sometimes SMS were send after second try. On the end of the day I was not able to receive calls not even leave them unanswered – every time TyNT frozes. After Soft Reset the booting white screen was showing NO GSM…
After Hard Reset everything works OK again, but I really do not want HR on daily basis So trying to find another Radio ROM for CZ O2
Same problems with radio 1.51.00.10 - O2 in CZ
ok
1.50.08 work perfect for me.
tested 5-6 radio versions in Serbia NO LUCK
AT the end I hope that unit is bad and that replacement with other one will help
Is it posible to be due to rom since I also am getting message NO GSM during BOOT and before windows. It looks to me that radio on mine device might be in some hardware problem?
Any suggestions?
Just uploaded 1.38.30.10. As always looks and works perfectly on beginning
i put RUU_Hermes_CINGULAR_WWE_2.15.502.3_6275_1.40.30.00_108_Ship.exe ftom america.htc i think. it is complete rom with radio 1.40.30 and works best so far in seerbia but still with problems. At least it doesn't freez phone like other versions!
So tried 1.38.30.10, doesn‘t work as well. I changed ROM to Schaps_WM6Pro_WWE_3.57a_Lite_28-07.exe. Looks fine, but together with 1.38.30.10 doesn’t work. Upgraded Radio ROM to 1.50.00.00 which looks fine together, but still sometimes phone indicates “NO GSM”. Will test again during the day. If it will not work, it’s time to send it to service.
I’m already starting to looking forward to Nokia N95 that I will bought after loosing patience with TyNT.
tytn damaged
I would like to conclude that in my own opinion we are both stuc with bad units. Today i took another tytn and tested it with network in serbia and it worked fine. So changing rom doesn't help me. I have no option but to give it to be repaired.
Nokia is nice but it is different story if you ask me
HTC and windows is my choice!
Do yu thinking about changing radio on it (hardware)
All the best!
Ok
1.50.008 work excellent in my AT&T 8525 Hermes!!
IT LOOKS LIKE MY STORY HAS UNBELIAVEBLE HAPPY END which makes it may be most stupid story on this web. After trying 2 different ROMs and 6 different Radio ROMs I lost my patience and decided to go to service of HTC. So I exported most important contacts and uploaded them to my old Nokia 6280. In the morning I needed to send 2 SMSes and make one call. During this my NOKIA without any „smart“ OS restarted 2 times searching for signal. This phone was never problematic a never did that. So it indicated possible problem with SIM card. I went to O2 store and asked for new SIM. I got it in 5 minutes for free including switching all systems to new one. From this moment TyTN flashed to Official WM6 ROM 3.54 with radio 1.48.00.10 works without any problem and any single soft reset. I’m connected on 3G (UMTS/HSDPA) whole day and I lost connection only three times, but without problem to establish it again. I still expect, that the problem will come, but more it’s seems like that only problem was SIM card. The phone is more stable then ever before, so probably I had in some way corrupted SIM from beginning with O2… I will inform, if it keeps working.
Good for you
Me unfortunately, i wasn't that lucky. I replaced sim with new one 7 days ago and it didn't help
Enyoy your HTC!
150.00.00 and 148.00.00 works great in around Phoenix area AT&T
I upgraded from 8125 to the 8525 and would like to upgrade the rom to wm6. I would like extra memory. I'm staying with cingular/ATT and plan on just swapping my sim card. Do I have to unlock my phone? What do I need to do and which rom is the latest/best w/most free memory and still ATT friendly. Thanks. I've read through the post, but I'm a little overwhelmed.
Chris
You want a good rom that is AT&T friendly, I would say vp3gs rom hands down.
welcome to the 8525. start here...lot's of good info and reading. then let us know if U still have specific questions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325748
You knw ive seen alot of first post were people dont knw what they want they state basic things like whats the best rom, how do I upgrade, ect. I was really suprised to find that you knew what you wanted and look you got some good advice, Im glad to know that even though this community tends to flame noobs that if you ask your question correctly that you will get the information you request. Way to go.
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I upgraded from 8125 to the 8525 and would like to upgrade the rom to wm6. I would like extra memory. I'm staying with cingular/ATT and plan on just swapping my sim card. Do I have to unlock my phone? What do I need to do and which rom is the latest/best w/most free memory and still ATT friendly. Thanks. I've read through the post, but I'm a little overwhelmed.
Chris
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Having been in your exact place just a few short weeks ago, i'll tell you my experience. The very first thing I did was upgrade to Hard SPL v7. From my reading, this is essential to keep from bricking your phone. Although it's not fool proof, but it makes it much harder to mess everything up. I looked around and read all the different threads on all the ROMs. From looking at the pictures and reading the info on each one, I decided on VP3G 3.60 as it's an official ATT rom with some extras. I also switched radios a couple of times to find the one that gave me the best reception for my area, which ended up being 1.50. I didn't unlock my phone unless updating to any of the above did that. There is a site that goes through each install window and tells you what to choose, but I can't seem to find it right now. I don't full understand all of this stuff but i'm slowly learning it. Good luck on your updates and hope it goes as smoothly as mine has.
Axis
Right now I'm running dutty's ultralite http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329642 I started with Black, then went to some others and like VPG quite a bit, then tried TNT, then Cyphol's Gold, and finally I'm at the ultralite stage as I found that a lot of them just had stuff I didn't want/need and I preferred to take care of all of that myself (you'll determine that on your own though).
Definitely get HardSPL, and just play around with some of the main ROMs, the ultralites will have more memory by definition, but you may find that some are just too bare bones.
With regards to walkthrough's look at mrvanx's site, http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/ he has a ton of great walkthroughs that are ROM specific. Should get you started quite nicely.
Install HardSPL
Install vp3G's WM6 AT&T Rom
If you picked up retail less then 30 days ago, take it back and pick up a 8925/Tilt.
-pd
Thanks so much for the quick replies. My phone will be here on Tuesday, I ordered a refurbished. I will post an update w/shipped rom when it get's here. I waited for the Tilt to come out so they would clearance the 8525. I got my 8125 for $79 and now the 8525 for $99. Not bad I guess. Well I think I will try vp3gs first. I think if I try the Ultralight's, I have to unlock the memory area or something correct me if I'm wrong. W/Vp3gs rom, it should be like flashing a new rom from AT&T. But I will follow the directions to Hard-SPL first then to VP3Gs. Thanks again. Will post more on Wednesday.
Chris
Ok, followed all the directions in the forums. Everything went perfect. Very easy. I now have VP3Gs latest and upgraded the radio to 1.54.07. Everything works. I've added my old software. Found out that SPB Pocket Plus 4.0 brings the Hermes to a halt so I installed 3.2. I like the tabs on my today screen and the task switcher better than the HTC. Battery life seems a little less than the 8125. I think it's a little less than with 1.43 radio. I'm in central NJ and I didn't seem to notice a different between the two radios. My phone came with an old version of everything. I think the radio was 1.16 or something. Anyhow I will post more later. Thanks again everyone for the advice. Still shocked at how easy it was.
Chris
Before doing anything to your 8525; Research Research RESEARCH!
The last thing you want to do is put anything on your new phone right away. I know you want WM6 and probably can't wait to get it on your phone. First you need to research as much as possible until you feel comfortable, really comfortable with what you are planning to do.
I have vp3G's WM6 on my 8525. I waited and researched threads for over 2 weeks before commiting to it. So far so good I have to say. Read this guide first, it'll give you a good idea of what you will be doing. I'm not trying to tell you whats best here, I'm new to this too and just want to give you a heads up. Beware of people who tell you what they think is best for your phone, especially when they don't bother to tell you why.
Good luck, you're going to like your new 8525, although after sending back my original phone for a keyboard issue I went through 2 remanufactured 8525's before AT&T finally shipped me a brand new one. The screens on the reman'd ones kept locking up .
Dr. Jay
I have been wrestling with a 9502 for a 5 months now, and losing. There are many issues with the software that drive me nuts and which I'd love to fix:
1. The phone turns itself off from time to time. I know others have had this problem, but what is the fix?
2. The battery dies without warning, without beeping, after just a couple of days and little use. Naturally, I think it has turned itself off, but it's so flat that it won't turn on at all until at least a few minutes connected to the wall charger. How and where do I set battery status alarms?
3. Radio still loses signal and remains disconnected until device is 'woken up'.
4. Keyboard is still unresponsive, missing letters regularly making it almost unusable.
5. Graphics drivers would be appreciated.
6. Time in taskbar does not match system time.
Besides the very very bad customer support, they never ever answer you on any question neither by email or on the live support
everyone have to think twice before buying an expensive PPC from this company till they change thier policy and provide better support to thier products
now we are begging them daily on thier web site to provide a new release for the rom with fixed troubles with old one OR at least to provide the base rom to allow people to repair it AND ALWAYS NO ANSWER
WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THEM ????
Sounds to me more hardware issues than software. I have had the same device for four to five months and I have not had any of the issues you mentioned. And, I found the ROM very very stable.
I have owned more than 15 devices in the past 2 years, including the latest Samsung i900 Omnia, HTC TyTN II, Dopod 838pro, Dopod m700, O2 Graphite ... etc. so I have fair comparisons.
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Sounds to me more hardware issues than software. I have had the same device for four to five months and I have not had any of the issues you mentioned. And, I found the ROM very very stable.
I have owned more than 15 devices in the past 2 years, including the latest Samsung i900 Omnia, HTC TyTN II, Dopod 838pro, Dopod m700, O2 Graphite ... etc. so I have fair comparisons.
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15 devices? wow. that made me feel good to read this that im not alone, although I have only owned 5 devices in the last 12 months, so i feel like an amateur compared to you.... and NONE of them are really what I want, which is a device that is as responsive and easy to use as my treo 650 which 9after a hacked rom) was the best device in its day.
I find the ROM stable (in that it doesn't crash) but these are all very common issues with the handset, most of which you do have, you just probably have put down to no network coverage or user errors. I have owned many, many WM devices and aside from the Blue Angel, this is the least usable one so far.
Radio is unacceptable. Signal is weak, and there is a universal bug in the ROM where it won't search for signal until awoken so if you lose it, you're not connected all day. 50% of the time I am uncontactable because of the poor radio. This makes the device unusable. Wifi signal strength on full power is also lower than any HTC device on power saver mode. This could be down to the positioning of the antenna.
Keyboard is also a ROM bug. Everyone has it, but it's only noticable if you type at a reasonable speed.
Graphics drivers are terrible.
System time is a universal bug. I only notice because I have a large today time plugin that shows the correct time and it often differs. Bug isn't the end of the world, but sometimes messes up text message orders.
Turning off is a software issue. I know because I had the problem and I-Mate fixed it by updating the firmware. I think it depended on which version your 9502 was shipped with. Mine was an early one.
Battery sounds like a hardware issue. Have you been charging using a Motorola or Sat-Nav charger or something? I know these often destroy batteries.
Official WM6.1 v1.77 ROM released by i-mate !!!
Look here ! It's fast and stable. 10MB more RAM than v1.73 (the leaked ROM) available afer a SR...
Cheers!
Carlos
sorry to but-in on this thread....... - ive been browseing around regarding this device. im looking for a rom which will remove the sim lock for a ultimate 9502. Is this going to be possible ? u guys seem the most knowledgable regarding this device.
oh, its locked to TELSTRA IN Australia.
Cheers,
Mark
wobaby said:
sorry to but-in on this thread....... - ive been browseing around regarding this device. im looking for a rom which will remove the sim lock for a ultimate 9502. Is this going to be possible ? u guys seem the most knowledgable regarding this device.
oh, its locked to TELSTRA IN Australia.
Cheers,
Mark
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Hi Mark,
As far as I know, all 9502 devices are released unlocked by i-mate. You see, the ROM you dowload from i-mate.com is not related to Telstra at all.
Well, I live in Brazil, and although I'm not quite sure where my 9502 came from, it is flashed with their ROM, and it works fine with my local carrier.
As always, I might be wrong, though...
Cheers!
Carlos
9502 in aussie
i have downloaded the new rom, it has no telstra screen, works fine.you need to ceate account with imate, download rom for 9502, active sync with pc, run update, within 10 min up & running. as always backup info first.
Ohh excellent - i ran the update from the most recent rapidshare on this website.
Worked a treat - now accepts all sim cards. Would not show my Vodafone card before.
Any chance someone can upload the LATEST firmware on rapidshare ??
im not signing up to anything with imate - or registering my product. id prefer my help from forums.
You'll miss Secure i-Q !
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Ohh excellent - i ran the update from the most recent rapidshare on this website.
Worked a treat - now accepts all sim cards. Would not show my Vodafone card before.
Any chance someone can upload the LATEST firmware on rapidshare ??
im not signing up to anything with imate - or registering my product. id prefer my help from forums.
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If you decide not to sign up & register your device, you won't be able to use i-mate's Secure i-Q, a very useful feature, IMHO.
Through it you would be able to lock your device up, make it start a potent audible alarm, or even wipe all your PIM data off from it, either from your PC or any other internet enabled device, in case it is lost or stolen. I have already given it a try, and it works a treat.
It's your decision, though...
Cheers!
Carlos
Hi,
just had a text conversation with a Vodafone support person called Beverly. I asked if she/they knew when 2.2 would be out for voda branded desires - the answer was
"There is no update about the release date or the Android 2.2 (Froyo)"
"Prior to releasing or approving any software update for customers who have bought a handset through Vodafone, we test it thoroughly to ensure it provides customers the best possible experience on our network. Our testing process begins as soon as we receive the software, which often happens once the manufacturer has already released the open market version of the software."
"During the review process, we report any issues with the software back to the manufacturer for them to address. Once the firmware is approved by Vodafone, we return it to the manufacturer and they will then distribute the software to customers through the appropriate channels."
And her last comment was
"We will release the firmware as soon as possible "
Basically don't hold your breath
My friend is stuck on 1.6 on Vodafone because they don't release updates. Basically sh it yourself.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
I've just called and had the same standard reply. I asked for my concerns to be 'flagged' and was told that every call about this is being collated and 'pushed upstairs'. So I suggest Voda customers ring on 191 and (nicely) make their point of view clear and then also ask for their comments to be flagged...
just debrand then update
i got pissed off waiting also last night.so took upon myself to debrand the phone..
made a goldcard=4 minutes or so
=downloaded wwe rom=4 minutes
debranding phone=10 minutes
switched on..checked for updates froyo was there
seriously very easy procedure..id do it if i was you
Same here - one of the easiest things i've ever done.
Make some backups and you lose nothing but your individual program settings for programs that you've downloaded.
Whole thing took me about an hour inc making and restoring backups (which took the most time)
i got it, dont understand why you didn't.
I have a desire from Vodaphone. It doesn't appear to be branded. I thought none of them were from vodaphone. Got the update yesterday.
How is your phone different. Is there a vodaphone insignia on the phone or proprietary software changes.
Just curious.
Dave
AdamZA and Executed_apt does this mean that your phones are rooted now??
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I have a desire from Vodaphone. It doesn't appear to be branded. I thought none of them were from vodaphone. Got the update yesterday.
How is your phone different. Is there a vodaphone insignia on the phone or proprietary software changes.
Just curious.
Dave
AdamZA and Executed_apt does this mean that your phones are rooted now??
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Oh, that's strange.
You are correct to say that none of the UK Voda Desires are branded - no markings on the phone and no splash screens or whatever. But the firmware number still seems to mark them out as Voda phones and that means they can only be updated by 'official' Voda updates, I believe.
Can anyone else shed some light on this?
No visible difference. It seems to have a vodafone 'scene' and a vodafone background. The main difference, and apparently the reason why it doesn't update is because the rom version is different to the official HTC rom. version 1.19... as opposed to 1.21 (i think).
I am going to wait a few days and then will probably go down the gold card etc route.
i went down the goldcard route, have it in when you Debrand to WWE 1.21 and LEAVE it in when you check for updates for FroYo and it works fine.
Even though on the Techradar site it stated Voda are gonna try and get it out to us as soon as possible its just not worth believing them as they are shi*e at these things.
nice
the only way you can tell if its vodafone is as someone already stated about it having the vodafone scene and i believe software version with 161.
in relation to the rooted question i dont think so..but whatever it means im happy as a pig in .... you can unroot etc regardless of how it goes
froyo is up and running though
only thing i had an issue was the sync for my contacts..but transferred my contacts from previous sync to outlook then tried sync again from outlook
besides that happy days
Looks like the update is out!!
Well there is an update but it only 19.41MB - at work at the moment so can't dl.
Oh joy, it just installed 19MB of vodafone ****. MFs!!!!
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Oh joy, it just installed 19MB of vodafone ****. MFs!!!!
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You are joking, right?
I've just bust a gut to download with a huge smile on my face and had to delete Google Earth and Layar in order to free up enough space! So, not only is it NOT FroYo, but it's Vodafone bloat which I didn't ask for?
Seriously pissed off now.
cb8rwh said:
Oh joy, it just installed 19MB of vodafone ****. MFs!!!!
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You just broke my heart. I'm following threads at the Vodafone forum too where people are reporting of an update...we were all assuming it was froyo (no one has completed the update yet).
It's not froyo...
I rooted my phone last night, contemplating whether to go for a modded ROM or the original.
Looks like i'll be debranding tonight and getting the 2.2 OTA that way (i will be trying custom ROMs first though)
i believe vodafone did buy a load of unbranded completly network free desires which customers have..then some have vodafone on..you can tell by the software number...and if it has the scene..but in relation to network branding at least vodafone left the splash screens etc alone..
my advice..sod vodafone..debrand..get froyo...though dont get overexcited its an anti climax..but two best things......save apps to sd..and 720p recording..oo and hotspt..but rarely using that me thinks