Downgraded Bluetooth - MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 General

I originally got my M2000 with BT 1.0.0.3500.
It worked OK with my Southwing headset but I heard that getting the upgrade to 1.6.0.600 would improve the sound quality.
I upgraded and there was very little improvement, if any.
I then noticed that the connection with my headset was very erratic.
The headset would connect ok and the m2000 would repond correctly to me pressing, double-pressing or tripple-pressing the control button on the headset. If I made a call from the handset it would be transferred to the headet. However, this would only happen for one call. Once I had made and terminated one call it would get kinda stuck and not reset itself so I could not use the headset properly. The only way I could fix this was to turn off the headset, do a reset on the m2000 and then switch on and reconnect the headset.
Finally got fed up and downgraded back to 1.0.0.3500 and it's all OK again.
Anyone else had similar problems ?

southwing and bluetooth
I just bought a southwing bluetooth headset and couldn't wait to get started. Little did I know that the pain was just about to start.
I am using an Orange SPV M2000 with the 1.12.22 WWE ROM and Radio version 1.04, build 2200 of bluetooth stack 1.00 build 2200. Not sure if this is the problem.
Anywaythe Southwing sounds fine when i use it but the volume that its sends to the other party is about 10 times to low and even when yelling I can't be heard well. Is this a known problem with either the Blue Angel phones or SouthWing headsets? Is it easy to upgrade to a newer bluetooth stack? Is this something I should do?
Sorry to reply to your question with another question but do you find the volume levels acceptable on your SouthWing?

I have had a lot of complaints from callers when I use my southwing including too quiet, static and background noise, voice cutting in and out, sounding like I'm in a tunnel etc.
Fortunately it has also fallen apart, i.e. the grey rubber eargrip bit keeps coming off the main body.
I bought mine at expansys so they said I could just send it back for a refund.
I have just bought a Cardo Scala 500 (also from expansys) which should arrive tomorrow.
It looks pretty cool and the reviews says the sound quality is excellent.
It also has an alternative to the round-the-ear grip which is a little stem that clips onto the arm of your glasses. Exellent for me as I wear specs.
I would seriously think about upgrading your ROM to 1.31.00 and then patching your BT Stack.

Related

Microphone gain too low (phone)

People compain that they do not hear me...
this goes for the internal microphone unless i hold the QTEK horizontally (microphone neat mouth) og handsfree, unless I hold the microphone in front of my mouth.
during recording, the internal microphone is very sensitive and just fine.
how can I make it that sensitive when using the phone ?
Start -> Settings -> System -> Microphone AGC
Play around with this one, and see if it gets any better..
If not, buy a BT handsfree?
no, I (we) know for a fact that this setting have nothing to do with Phone-mode, *only* recording.
sorry, read my last post is a big problem of Qtek 9090
no solution the 9090 only works with the headset bluetooth
I returned my 9090 and took a 2020 !!
read other post in this forum and other forum, many people say the same... the 9090 phone is very bugged !!!!
french, spain, netherland and more country user have the same problem.
try once to hold your phone in the other hand ;-) ... i had people complaining about my spv m2000 being too silent and then i discovered, that i covered the little microphone hole which is a littlebit towards an edge and not excatually in the middle of the phone... so i concentrated on not covering the hole anymore and never had anybody complain about the volume since..
cheers
pascal
Mic too quiet
I've got the same problem as the original poster - on a Blue Angel XDA IIs.
I agree that the AGC works for the voice recording (and does a crystal clear job too) but for standard voice calls it's getting on for being as deaf as a doorpost.
Surely one of you techies has found a way of implementing the AGC function for voice calls :?: :idea:
Same problem. The problem doesn't appear every time. Using the headset doesn't fix the problem.
I'm very disappointed, the 9090 is great, but is not a phone. I'll maybe change with a treo 650...
check this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13655&highlight=
newer units seem to be fixed
I just received my Cingular Siemens SX66 Monday, and the microphone issue seems to have been resolved in the newer units. Don't know what was changed, but I have used the phone in both speakerphone and held to ear modes and everyone says I am coming thru almost with wired quality. Maybe HTC and Siemens took the extra time to market to fix some of the early production issues. I also find the build quality to be excellent on my unit.
david

Orange M2000 - Jabra Bluetooth headset VERY crackly

Hello,
I have just upgraded from an XDAII to an Orange SPV M2000.
First impressions are generally quite good. One huge problem I am having though is that my Jabra 250 BT headset that works absolutely fine on my XDAII, works terribly on the M2000. The connection is incredibly crackly to the point of it being unusable.
The same headset works fine again when I revert it back to the XDAII. I have even tried turning off encryption on the M2000.
Is it possible that because the bluetooth software on the M2000 is completely different to that on the O2 XDAII, that this could be part of the problem?
Grateful for any advice.
Thanks!
Howdy,
I have the same probs with Jabra 250 and MDA III @ 1.6.1, Broadcom Build 1900.
up to 40 centimeters, everything is ok with a free line of sight :shock:
it still works up to some meters, but is indeed unusable. :evil:
bought it at MediaMarkt, so they'll get it back.
D'you think it's a headset problem or a general problem with the bluetooth on the phone.
I find that Activesync over bluetooth does not work at anywhere near the same range I was getting with my XDAII
Can you let me know if you have better luck with any other headset.
Incidentally, I note with the Jabra that when it is connected, you can click and hold down on the Jabra paired device and bring up the status which shows connection strength. It fluctuates greatly between the weakest and the "Just Right" marks - which might explain why it so crackly.
MY BT Headset experience
I have been trying out some BT Headsets for my MDA III T-mobile Austrian edition and here are the results:
Jabra BT 250: The connection was cracking the whole time even when the phone was next to the headset. It is really comfortable when using it. VERDICT: Not usable.
Ericsson HBH 35: No cracking, great sound quality but would stop working after few minutes of inactivity. Turning BT on the MDA off and then on would make it work again. VERDICT: Usable but the inactivity thing really bugs me
Motorola HS-820: The same problems as HBH35 although the sound quality was somehow inferior to HBH35. VERDICT: same as HBH35.
Motorola HS-810: Works well, less disconnection problems than HBH35/HS-820 but still unpredictible/unreliable. The sound was barely hearable in noisy envoironments due to the desing of the headset. VERDICT: only headset that works more or less OK with the MDA III's current BT Stack. But only usable in the car or in a somewhat quiet environment.
Overall, wait for the BT fix. I've returned all the headsets until I can use one without problems.
Thanks for your reply.
Is the BT fix going to be unique to the service provider or will it be a Broadcom generic fix?
For example, I have the Orange SPV M2000 - would I be able to use whatever fix comes out for the MDA III or do I need to wait for Orange UK to release a fix specifically for their flavour of Blueangel.
Thanks!
I've been living with this cracking sound from the Jabra (paired to my XDA2) for almost a year now!

Working bluetooth headsets for PDA2K?

Hi! Just want to know which bluetooth headsets are compatible with PDA2K. I spent a lot of time in the shop yesterday, but for the life of me, I couldn't get the SE HBH-600 or the Nokia HDW-2 to work with it.
The HBH-600 got paired, but as soon as a call connected, the audio was switched to the handset, with the headset being disconnected. As soon as the call was dropped, the connection to the headset was resumed.
As for the HDW-2, I couldn't get it to connect. I really need a bluetooth headset pronto, because of the incidences of cellphone-snatching here in Karachi, so please could you guys help me out ASAP? Thanks in advance!
Hi There,
I use the Jabra 250 without any problems
Cheers
Pointy
I have tried 4 different headsets with the Blue Angel.
The current winner is the Cardo Scala 500...which is nice because its also the cheapest.
I'm using the older Sony Ericsson HBH-35 with mine and seems to work just fine. My only problems are that the battery on this one is dying a bit lately, but that's hardly the phones fault!
I am using the G2 Bluetrek as sold in O2 shops under the O2 brand.
Works...intemittently...sometimes great - sometimes very noisy - sometimes it looses connection! I also find that it seems to go to the highest volume setting at the start of every call which hurts my ears!
R
Well I have been using a Plantronics M3000 on BT Builds 3500 and then 3900 without any problems
Hallo!
I am using SE HBH 300, works fine with BT Builds 3500.
My older BT-headset Jabra 300 did´not worked, (could not answer 90% of the calls)
/M
Hi.
Im using the HBH 600 with both BT Build 3500 & 3900.
I dont experience any troubles with the 3900 build, only the poor range and sometimes a little crackling sound, but this seems to be the same for all BT headsets with the BA.
You can get the Build 3900 from the ftp in BlueAngel/Cab_files/Bluetooth Upgrades/bt3900.cab
I am using the Nextlink Bluespoon AX. Works fine for me.
R
I have a Sony Ericsson HBH-660 Akono and works great (except for the fact that the headset's display just shows the number and not the name...)
Joao Caldeira
I'm using the Jabra BT800, and it works perfectly, except for the caller ID showing just the number, and an annoying amount of static when going through an solid object (like my head :roll.
This is with bluetooth build 3500, and all the other headsets I've tried with this phone (SE HBH-65, HBH-300) have exhibited exactly the same problems with static through objects... would appear that the phone isn't giving the signal enough juice, or something? :?
Chris
Just took my old G2 to the O2 store and complained about it being so crap. They replaced it with a new O2 (Bluetrek?) one. Inital opinion is that it is a little better but not a lot - still noisy and complaints of it sounding bad from the other end.....
I'm using the Motorola HS810 and it works just great, actually after a soft reset the volume on the headset is too loud !
HBH-65 seems to work ok for me.
bosjo, it's good to hear that you have got the HBH-600 working. I am unable to do so. I had build 3500, but upgraded to 3900 after reading your post. Still no difference. I had noticed before that when I monitored the headset connection using Bluetooth Manager -> Active Connections, the status would be showing me a full signal, and intermittently, it would become red, meaning that the signal would keep going to zero, and coming back to full. This was even when the phone was hardly 6 inches away from the headset, in line of sight. I'm going to return my bluetooth headset tomorrow, and I wonder if I should get my handset replaced as well. I'm worried that since the problem wasn't fixed by the 3900 build, something may be wrong with my bluetooth radio hardware. Anyways, I am open to suggestions.
Look @ this... might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=17536&highlight=
I have a Bluespoon AX that works perfectly!!
Before that I had a Nokia HDW-2, it worked good too!
Hi all,
It seems the Nextlink Bluespoon AX gets a good press here with the XDA2s - so, where did you guys buy yours???
R
I'm using a bluespoon ax but mine definitely has that crackling sound. I'm using 1.0.0.3900. However, it's definitely not the headset because I've tried it with a magician and it works absolutely fine - friends told me it sounded the same as if I was speaking through the phone.
Sounds like the XDA2s bt stack still needs a lot of work - lets hope a rom upgrade comes out soon which mproves it - there realy is no excuse O2!!!
R

BT Headset recommendations...

I have the BT800 and so far my experience with it is pretty negative.
Other than the fact that it just doesn't sit will on my ear, all the people that I have phone conversations with tell me that my voice keeps cutting off every couple of seconds. They have a hard time understanding what I'm saying.
Anybody else have this behaviour? Which BT headset do you guys recommend?
I am also looking for recommendations for a new BT headset, but let me also contribute with what I had (lost it now).
I had the Bluespoon AX. It was by far the most comfortable thing I have ever put in my ear. It is so small and light and comfortable, that you almost forget it is in there, and at the end of the day, you find it in your ear by accident sometimes.
That said, when I lost it I did not shed a tear. Using it with Universal was quite painful. The sound would crackle if the AX and the Universal were on different sides of my body. Not a distance issue, but somehow an interference from my body in between.
The AX is useless in any environment there is noise and/or wind. I suppose they could not use a directional mic because the mic is so far away from your mouth (practically *in* your ear). It worked fine when I was sitting in a quiet place though, but then...
With the Universal, only the handsfree profile is available. While this worked fine for outgoing calls (can make voice dial calls and all), for some reason on incoming calls, when the AX is active, Universal would not ring. The only call indicator is on the AX and if you don't happen to be wearing it at the time, you will miss the call.
I have been reading up on other models. The AX2 apparently has better reception, but I am not sure about noise and the BT software problems.
The digital model has noise cancelling, but it is way too expensive to buy it on faith alone.
Motorola H500
atekant said:
I am also looking for recommendations for a new BT headset......
Using it with Universal was quite painful. The sound would crackle if the AX and the Universal were on different sides of my body. Not a distance issue, but somehow an interference from my body in between.
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Same problem with my Motorola H500... anyone any ideas how to avoid this apart from buying another model
I have HBH 662 (Sony Erricson). Its very tiny, formerly it did not fit easily in my ear, but now I used to it, though I do not like to have it on all day long. The sound quality is too low/not loud enough though I set to the highest volume already. The battery life is not good, it barely survives my every day calls, I'm not a super call person, just average.
Things that really annoying:
- The Caller ID display is too small to read and it only shows the first half of the caller's number then scroll the remaining digits.
IT DOES NOT show the caller's name. Have been patiently enough to wait for this to be fixed by MS/imate/other vendor whatsoever. If anybody has a workaround, PLS.. PLS... PLS... share....
- The ringer is very low and intended to tell you there is a call if you have it on your ear. Does not have a vibrate function. If the Universal is in silent mode, most likely I cannot tell when there is an incoming call.
I have HBH 662 (Sony Erricson). Its very tiny, formerly it did not fit easily in my ear, but now I used to it, though I do not like to have it on all day long. The sound quality is too low/not loud enough though I set to the highest volume already. The battery life is not good, it barely survives my every day calls, I'm not a super call person, just average.
Things that really annoying:
- The Caller ID display is too small to read and it only shows the first half of the caller's number then scroll the remaining digits.
IT DOES NOT show the caller's name. Have been patiently enough to wait for this to be fixed by MS/imate/other vendor whatsoever. If anybody has a workaround, PLS.. PLS... PLS... share....
- The ringer is very low and intended to tell you there is a call if you have it on your ear. Does not have a vibrate function. If the Universal is in silent mode, most likely I cannot tell when there is an incoming call.
Bt Headsets
I am using the Bluestreak G2 headset which seems to work O.K. and Has About 8 hours of use. Background noise is acceptable but it doesn't seem to do noise cancellation.
Have noticed that if WIFI is active with BT the headset drops out a little. Seems O.K. If Wifi is off & BT is on. Not ideal if you want to use Skype with BT.
Have tried the following with my Exec:
- Tekkeon ET3000 (with display like the BT800 but better), great battery life, good volume, okay quality sound, okay comfort, no problem with call transfers from the Exec
- SE HBH-608, fantastic battery life, very comfortable, good quality sound, very comfortable, okay volume (seems limted by the Exec)
- Jabra BT800, okay battery life, okay comfort, good sound quality, okay volume, seems a bit slow transferring calls between the headset and the Exec
Have you tried putting the names/numbers also on the SIM Card?! I read somewhere that headset profile is using the SIM Card's phonebook...
lie_ui said:
- The Caller ID display is too small to read and it only shows the first half of the caller's number then scroll the remaining digits.
IT DOES NOT show the caller's name. Have been patiently enough to wait for this to be fixed by MS/imate/other vendor whatsoever. If anybody has a workaround, PLS.. PLS... PLS... share....
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No, it does not work either, even though the contact name is saved in the SIM card. Have been searching for workaround/solution but have not found any good answer yet.
globalsat
I have the Globalsat gps338 ,and it works very well ,use with gpstuner ,and teletype gps software which is slow to update on the Mda pro but the bluetooth gps pair well with the program and with 9 satellites showing indoor .Any Sirf III chipset will be ok.The only thing that does not work in the universal is the gpsinfo program that comes with the gps338.
Anyone with the gps338 ? works well with mapapolis too.
gagis said:
I have the BT800 and so far my experience with it is pretty negative.
Other than the fact that it just doesn't sit will on my ear, all the people that I have phone conversations with tell me that my voice keeps cutting off every couple of seconds. They have a hard time understanding what I'm saying.
Anybody else have this behaviour? Which BT headset do you guys recommend?
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You mean the Jabra?
Update the Firmware - there's a patch available on Jabra.com - I did thsi recently and it's a big improvement. Even my wife can hear me properly now.
(not sure if that's a good thing or not to be honest.....)
Re: Motorola H500
philtech44 said:
atekant said:
I am also looking for recommendations for a new BT headset......
Using it with Universal was quite painful. The sound would crackle if the AX and the Universal were on different sides of my body. Not a distance issue, but somehow an interference from my body in between.
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Same problem with my Motorola H500... anyone any ideas how to avoid this apart from buying another model
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what, like carrying the phone on the same side of your body as the headset??
(Like it says to do in the instructions... )
Thx Riceburner!
figures! I've been checking the Jabra site for an update repeatedly but of course as luck will have it, as soon as I stopped looking...there it is.
I will update my BT800 tonight and see what happens. Tell me, did you have the same problems? Voice kept cutting off? All around bad performance from this headset?
thx.
motorola H700, great audio, great look, light and good batteries and......................same mini USB charger
Well...no improvements.
I updated the firmware on my Jabra BT800 and although I noticed an improvement in the time it takes to transfer the call to the headset, I still have the same problem with my voice cutting off.
I tested it repeatedly by making more than one phone call and the result was always the same. While I'm speaking, the person on the other end says that my voice keeps cutting off. Therefore beginning or end of words are totally cut off. Very frustrating to have a conversation when the person on the other end keeps saying "what?".
If nobody else is having this problem with the BT800 and the Universal, then I guess I got stuck with a faulty headset?
i have the hbh 662 sony. not impressed with it to be honest. unless i am less than 1/2 metre from it, the quality of the line deteriorates alarmingly. I was hoping to be able to stick it on the kitchen table and then walk around having a phone call. I can't do this.
Also had ideas for having the universal in my pocket, and using the headset almost as a standalone phone. This doesn't work that well either. tried the headset with a orange c500 , and it was so much better.
also upgraded to the latest radio update (1.04.02). this didnt do anything for the quality of the line either.
is it the universal or the sh1te ms bluetooth stack? how does the jabra bt 800 compare?
(i have the orange m5000 with a qtek rom)
Nextlink Bluespoon AX2
Hi there,
using Bluespoon AX2 with my universal(MDA pro) with NO compromises.
Have a cabrio and even driving the car sound quality is good.
You can pair EIGHT devices on this headset simoultanesly and supports Bluetoth1.2
Good stuff for 60€
...and by the way...it is SMALL and easy to put on as you can put it IN your ear not around
Plantronics
Hi
I have Plantronics and I'm happy about this 8 grams headset.
Ciao[/b]
hi everybody.I want to buy a headset for my mda pro with qtek rom(radio 1.13).
I'd like to spent about 50 euros.Any suggest?
nobody can help me?

What stereo blue tooth HEADSET do you recommend for Touch

What stereo blue tooth HEADSET do you recommend for Wizard? I am interested into a head set not very expensive ...but I want also to be able to listen music or to speak at the phone with it.
Sony DR-BT30QS
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...30QS-Bluetooth-Headphones-Silver/Product.html
Only £17.99 delivered, from play.com
Jabra BT620s
About 60 euro's here in the netherlands. Great piece of headset Good quality audio, has buttons to control the mediaplayer (WMP as well as the HTC Audiomanager work ) and can offcourse accept calls and control voice command.
what about sony ericsson HBH-DS970 ?
thx
well I am answering my own post, ,
the working features are,
1. smooth A2DP (skipping in case of high proc. usage e.g. wifi brosin and stereo bt music simultanous)
2. after a call music resumes and in the earphone.
3. AVRCP
4. Caller ID ! u can see both the name & the number on the lcd ( with jetware ).
regards
I'll have the Jabra BT620s in the mail today... I'll post a review asap.
Jabra BT headphone
As promised;
I got the Jabra headset yesterday, and last night I was able to try it. First of all, sound quality is better than expected. Setup was somewhat confusing, since the manual is not so clear. But, I managed. Made a couple of phonecalls, all fine. Overall, nice set of headphones. Luckily, the flashing blue leds can be turned off.
Hi
I use the Anycom BSH-100. The Headset is not bad at all, with HS/HF/A2DP/ AVRRCP and a up to 200 h standby + upto 12 h music playtime.
Tech data here: http://www.anycom.com/products/bluetooth_audio_video/stereo_headset_bsh_100/?id=102&partno=CC3300
There is no buildin Microphone. A small (about 3 cm) mic is attacht to the side mini usb-jack. This mini usb-jack is also used to charge the batteries. Most of the time i forgett the mic, when charging the Headset, so i use the Headset often to listen to mp3s and recive calls without using the headset. ( a bild in Mic would be better) The headset goes to mute when a call comes in.
picture here: http://files.anycom.com/images/products/lifestyle/cc3300_lifestyle_01.jpg
+ (plus):
Handling is very easy.
Long Standby & playtime
small transport size (faltable)
- (minus):
seperate Mic
Sound Quality is OK but not as good as a normal wired-headset. (maybe normal for BT)
no option to turn of the flashing blue led
best regards Oliver
Hi, Anyone using Jabra Bt320 with the Touch? I tired to connect for stereo headset but its fails. I had the same problem with Dopod 810 but some after making some changes in the registry the problem was solved. I tired the same tweaks in Touch but it fails. Any suggestion from the forum? Thanks
I used the BT320
and the stereo was fine. I also made the adjustments to the registry and it carried on working fine.
However, I sent the unit back because I bought a Jabra 120s with it and found that, after initial pairing problems (which went away), there was an audio lag which made watching TV rubbish!
When you pair with the BT320s, you should have the option to use it as either
1. a hands-free or
2. wireless stereo.
If you don't, delete the device from your Touch then...
...plug the BT320s into it's charger, three times, for 4 seconds each time.
Now pair again and the option for wireless stereo will magically appear.
Try Motorola S9. Nice and solid. Matches Touch design too.
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826555005&Tpk=motorola+s9
EmilianM said:
What stereo blue tooth HEADSET do you recommend for Wizard? I am interested into a head set not very expensive ...but I want also to be able to listen music or to speak at the phone with it.
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You get what you pay for comes to mind with BT headsets.
I have yet to come across one headset that plays great stereo sound
and gives you great call quality. However, for stereo sound the Motorola
S9 kicks arse over anything out there and the Jawbone does the voice
calls better than anyone out there. S9 is around $100US and the Jawbone
is $130US ish. Not cheap but you won't be looking to replace them because
they don't do their job. Now if you have a big melon the S9 maybe a problem.
AE!
Hi.
I got the HT820 from Mototola.
Sound is good.
Easy installation on Touch.
Noise cancelling.
Looks a little bit spacy but fits good.
AND I payed 12€ for it on ebay.de.
I use BT320s
Hi,
I am using Jabra BT320s, It just works fine with my Touch. I did the in pairing initially, but after I upgraded with latest firmware I don't have any problem in pairing.
firmware can be found here
http://rapidshare.com/files/51865424/JabraBT320swebupdate_1077.zip
Please read the instruction to update the firmware
Well i got the Motorola BT820 last week, very satisfied
great sound nice volume, little weakness but accepteble by my standard
when theres a lot of static noise the build in mic does piick up on that a bit.
i use it for mp3 mostly, and o yeah its comfortoble too
price is nice if i compare to other headsets,
still thinking about trying the new logitech headset
is there anybody who has experienced it
I have posted a question regarding a small problem with the Bb20s right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326489
This is a description of my problem, as posted. Does anyone have an idea?
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Received my Jabra 620s yesterday. First impressions: it is quite big and heavy, but it is better than earplugs ;-) Sounds quality is quite good.
Here is my problem: After pairing the headset with my device, everything behaves as expected until some event (this happend on multiple occasions, different trigger but the same result): the headset controls still function (i.e. I can skip songs etc), but the HTCs audio is routed to the HTC speaker instead of the headset. I cannot fix this, the only way is to remove the bluetooth connection, repair and I am good to go again.
I'd second the comment on the Motorola S9. I got the S9 to go with my old magician, but now that I've upgraded to the Touch, things are even better.
The S9 workd flawlessly for stereo music and also as a regular hands free headset. I can't tell you how many times I've been out jogging, litening to music and I get a cal from people. They say the call sound quality is good, but always wonder why I'm breaking fast.
I hve changed to HTC BH S100 (in-ear is better for jogging)
sound quality is good, no problems...yeah should be no problems when using HTC stuff only ;-)
i found the Motorola S9s to be outstanding. I have never been so happy with a BT headet.
Sony DR-BT30 Q
Got it for 34 euro's and they make me happy.
Good reach on the touch compared to my wizard

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