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Hi there, I am currently making a magnetic floatation holder compatible with any android phone. I recently came across these threads and was wondering if anybody knew how I could shield the internal apparatus from magnetic interference? The phones are currently floating in mid air within the holder box but they refuse to function correctly due to the immensely powerful magnetic field surrounding it. Any advise at all would be greatly appreciated?
Have you tried a rubber lining? That may help...
Tried many linings
Hi, thanks for the speedy response. I have tried everything from Aerospace Aluminium, plastic, rubber and Titanium. The only material that currently works is lead and that has to be 3mm thick which makes it way too heavy. If there is maybe anyone you know that could literally coat each mechanism and distribution board within the device with lead that would be great but also impractical for multiple cellphone compatibility. I am sooo close but yet soo far. I have managed to adjust the magnetic frequency to allow minimal interference but it still leads variable damage in multiple areas. I have recently applied for a patent but I pray I can find an unknown material. I am just missing something but cannot put my finger on it. Anyways thanks for your kind response but I am 2 minutes away from burning everything......Sooo frustrating. If you come up with any ideas pweeez let me know, my brain is fried.
Thanks Guys and Dols
Thanks for your help KT, I managed to get in touch with one of the guys responsible for Maglev train magnetic composite technologies and he agreed to help me for a small percentage of total profits. It will be ready about March next year for initial testing, maybe you guys at XDA can use a few 1hundred units for testing? It seems to me this is the best arena to get a feel for the product? Thanks anyway, I will be looking into it.
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I'm extremely confused to why u would need this... Even more confused about how u would market them...
Great Toy, Looks Alien.
Don't you just hate scratched cellphone/tablet screens. Well now(4months time in S.A) you can simply throw your phone into the invisible magnetic field and when there is no contact with the ground your face cannot be scratched. When you get into your car, simply plug it into your sig lighter and your phone etc can be held in mid air. No more key scratches, no more make-up marks on your device. And it looks really space age, your glowing Android etc phone hovering in mid air. And it will also charge automatically while in the magnetic spectrum. Use it as a night clock/light and place it on(or rather over) your night stand table.
Well at least I hope people would use this because I have spent an infinite amount of time and energy, not to mention hard capital, on this adventure of mine. The ride has been great and tough at times but hopefully the law of thermodynamics will ensure at least a 60% return on energy invested. The guys at Maglev where ecstatic so I am sure they would not help me out as they have unless they knew it was a sure bet. Anyways, thanks for the constructive criticism.
chop007 said:
Don't you just hate scratched cellphone/tablet screens. Well now(4months time in S.A) you can simply throw your phone into the invisible magnetic field and when there is no contact with the ground your face cannot be scratched. When you get into your car, simply plug it into your sig lighter and your phone etc can be held in mid air. No more key scratches, no more make-up marks on your device. And it looks really space age, your glowing Android etc phone hovering in mid air. And it will also charge automatically while in the magnetic spectrum. Use it as a night clock/light and place it on(or rather over) your night stand table.
Well at least I hope people would use this because I have spent an infinite amount of time and energy, not to mention hard capital, on this adventure of mine. The ride has been great and tough at times but hopefully the law of thermodynamics will ensure at least a 60% return on energy invested. The guys at Maglev where ecstatic so I am sure they would not help me out as they have unless they knew it was a sure bet. Anyways, thanks for the constructive criticism.
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It sounds very cool, and very techy and geeky, however I don't know if I see the mass market potential for this type of device?
Also I have a couple of questions:
Does the phone hold its position once placed in the magnetic field? Or is it able to rotate freely?
What about the potential effects on wristwatches and other non sheilded devices? I don't want to put my phone in a mag field and have my watch go blank.
That being said I wish you luck - hopefully I'm wrong and you can retire on this idea
Spot On
You are absolutely correct, containment, extrapolation, dispersion on a lateral effect and cross intensification are issues that are currently being worked on. As of yet nobody in S.A has the mechanical techniques nor tools that I require to enclose the radial disturbance, only one company in Germany can manage the calibration needed. And this has only recently been developed through discoveries made on the Large Hadron Collider. Fortunately, the guys at Maglev's, ITSC, have a ready made and diverse magnetic operating coil for my device. With ought going into all the technical babble, I have got a free travel package to Germany next month and they say my mind will be blown away when I see the solution they came up with. And, retirement, no way, my brain could not handle being idle for 5 seconds. These guys are brilliant, I gave them blueprints a week ago and they already have a model I need to sign off on. So I am sure all your devices will not be affected in any way. Gonna hit the waves now, have not surfed in 3weeks. I hope I can count on xda to distribute a few working units when I get back? When you guys O.K a device, it's future is certain.....
I'm a novice so this might be stupid. Your focus seems to be on insulation. Have you tried going the opposite way? Maybe construct some sort of golden faraday cage?
Also, If I got one of those testing units, that would be tits.
im not certian a faraday cage would work. but it would definately be worth trying, not gold though (gold wont conduct magentic flux very well), ferrite, iron, anything that conducts magnetism very well with very little remaining magnetic field when the source is removed (there is a property specified for that, but i cant remember the name). had part would be covering the screen and not being an eyesore. im not gonna watch the thread so OP can pm me for a bit more info if they wish.
any snap shots i know it might be a no but i really want to see this very intrested
Hey sorry, been out of town for a few days. No problem, as soon as I got the reworked casings in place I can send you a pic. Just a tad dicey at the moment due to copy right etc. Oh and brilliant, the Faraday cage worked perfectly in my initial testing +-1year ago but it blocked the entire device off and stopped easy insertion of the phone. All the kinks are pretty much sorted, you can throw the phone from 3metres away and the field will capture it. Received a vid from MGLEV tests, it was lank hilarious, I am so stoked my baby is almost sorted. thanks guys for input, how can I get in touch with xda management, want to organize initial releases for +- 1000 members? Just require delivery reception details and a few agreements, no cost to you at xda at all? Thank you, God Bless.
I think this guy is screwing with us. He sound like a back to the future movie.
And you waited all this time to tell us? (read the last date it was posted).
I see what you mean though, kinda too good to be true or, at least, too expensive to buy commercially
This is not too good to be true. The magnetic levitation technique has been demonstrated even with living beings in lab. There are adornments in market that float in free air with magnetic levitation.
http://www.google.com/search?source...pw.r_cp.&fp=200a4278d8f8f451&biw=1024&bih=655
However, I guess it's far fetched to use it for cellphones since the inteference and damage to components will be too high. However, I doubt the authenticity of this post as MagLev trains have little in their design that'd help shielding a mobile phone.
If scratched surfaces annoy you, use a woolen holder.
hmmm any updates?
I'd love to do testing; got like 4 different phones to test with
I have extra space under my stereo that I would like to somehow use for a phone mount. Any ideas?
Check in here, more specifically this . Let us know what you come up with (and take pictures!)
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Check in here, more specifically this . Let us know what you come up with (and take pictures!)
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This is exactly what I'm looking for. Does he have any kind of instructions to do it?
Wow, that is ghetto. Mold it in with some duramix, flexible filler, and some paint. It's a little more work but it won't look like a Jerry rigged monstrosity.
I'm not sure exactly what parts he used, but the rods are theaded into the rings clamped into the center bracket. The threading makes it spread adjust to fit into the dash cubby.
Blown89, stick around here and you'll find the aftermarket hasn't been kind to us, so in the first 7 months A.G. (After Gnex), we had to Jerry rig things. For some applications its still the only way. While a precision molded, flush inset, pogo charging, quick release dash mound would obviously be better, we don't stifle creativity here.
If you are concerned about appearances, you could orient the spreaders vertically, which would then be hidden by the phone when mounted.
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Blown89, stick around here and you'll find the aftermarket hasn't been kind to us, so in the first 7 months A.G. (After Gnex), we had to Jerry rig things. For some applications its still the only way.
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The only difference between that mount and one that looks factory is a little more time, effort, and knowledge. I understand that many people use wood and hardware store odds and ends because they don't know any better. Car audio sites have great information on how to integrate things like that into dash pieces should anyone want to tackle such a project.
I had been searching the forums \ internet for two days, and I could not get any answer on how good the companies Claim is.
I even posted the same thing on nexus thread and it had fallen on deaf ears!
the question is does those products REALLY protect, how much protection? is it a Placebo etc etc?
so how about this:
1- I will buy Phone Screen digitzer only.
2- get multiple product and apply them on sections of the glass, with one part without any substance.
3- let them dry.
4- Test across and check which one does a better job, or if it does better job than bare screen.
only problem in the plan is that it requires money:
so I can setup donation account just up to the value of those materials.
or even get sample from people who have some (it does not need to cover whole screen, only partial).
alternatively if high feedback user wants to do this instead, I can start by donating to him.
this experiment need to be unbiased, controlled, and well thought of. i.e. no companies donating products, or people defending what they bought.
also this experiment will not be only helpfull to the current gen product, it would help in the future phones that you would buy
ideally an article written on the main site etc to cover all aspects.
if this is against the rules then I am happy to delete the post.
I would like to sell my N2 for a reasonable price, but not get ripped off at the same time.
The device was only used for a total of 3 months...
HOWEVER, it has a tiny crack next to the captivate buttons which is easily covered by a case...
The crack is not even on the digitizer/ screen viewing part.
& the issue is, whoever I show to trade/ sell use that as a major bargaining point, and I really dont care to waste my time with that or fixing it to get a better price.
I just want to unload this thing as quick as possible at a decent rate....cause my wife got me a N3 for xmas...and we need the money.
Thanks for any help/ tips/ ideas...
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Damage is damage is damage... It renders the "three months use" positive point you had kinda moot. (Sorry.)
Depending on the shape of the crack and its direction there's always a concern that it could spread.
FWIW, LNIB/BNIB Note 2s are advertised for 350-400$ in my local classifieds, check your market and adjust accordingly. (Without having seen said crack, I'd w.a.g. at 275-300$ for yours.)
Try emphasizing its legitimate provenance by supplying proper documentation? Blacklisted IMEIs are a growing concern after all.
Take multiple, clear pictures for your ad, lets would-be buyers know what they're getting into. (Too many browse these things like inattentive idiots, but it can't hurt in filtering out some people.)
Best of luck,
Darkshado
Over past few days I have developed a rash on my skin (mostly forearm area). I have analyzed what might of changed (foods, soaps, detergents, etc) and could not think of anything.
My wife pointed this article out this morning: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/07/14/report-says-nickel-in-ipad-other-devices-may-cause-rash/
I got my phone HTC One M8 on 7/5 and am considering this might be the culprit. I have emailed HTC to find out if they use nickel within the construction of the device.
Anyone else experience this?
Funny that you mentioned this, i just read this article before i came here and saw your post. Sorry im new so mods wont let me post links therefore i will copy paste it:
"Apple's iPad may be the cause of unexplained allergic rashes in children, reports The Washington Post, which cites a case study of an 11-year-old boy that was published in Pediatrics medical journal.
The Pediatrics article focuses on an 11-year-old boy who may be allergic to the nickel used in the casing of the tablet device. Following the increasing use of an iPad, the patient developed a rash that would not respond to conventional treatment.
His skin tested positive for nickel, one of the most common allergy-inducing metals, and doctors traced it back to an iPad he had used with increasing frequency the past six months. The iPad tested positive for nickel as well, according to the report.
Doctors advised the boy to use a Smart Case that covers the entire outer surface of the tablet. Similar to other reports of electronic device-induced rashes, the boy's skin condition improved significantly when he started using a case that prevented direct contact with the device.
As noted by the Associated Press, nickel allergies in children appear to be on the rise, with 25 percent of those receiving skin tests testing positive for nickel allergies, up from 17 percent a decade ago.
This iPad isn't the only device implicated in skin rashes. Earlier this year, Fitbit voluntarily recalled its Force fitness tracker after a growing number of users developed contact dermatitis from wearing the band. The rash was originally attributed to nickel in the charging port of the band, but that metal may not be involved as many users covered the nickel-containing port with tape and continued to experience a rash."
Source: Washington Post
You can drive yourself crazy reading stuff like this on the internet. Whether HTC is using nickel or not, it doesn't mean you have an allergy. Could just be a red herring and a coincidence. It can be any number of other environmental factors: pollen, mold, animals, or soaps/detergent (as you mentioned), plus were you outside over the holiday weekend (could be a reaction to sunscreen, heat rash, etc.). Also keep in mind that allergies change over the course of your life. I have allergies that didn't effect me at all when I was younger. So it can be almost anything, even something that didn't give you a rash before.
I'd relax about it. Treat with hydrocortisone cream or similar. And if it doesn't clear up in a week or so, go see a dermatologist and/or allergist.
Wouldn't the rash be on our hands rather than your forearms then? Unless you have a different way of holding the phone than most people
Your best bet is probably writing to HTC to find out what metals are used in the unibody construction.
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Wouldn't the rash be on our hands rather than your forearms then? Unless you have a different way of holding the phone than most people
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My initial reaction was the same. But dermatitis, while often localized to the exposure area, can also be a bit random and unpredictable.
For instance, the article linked in the OP says the boy got the rash "all over his body" and also includes a picture of his back (and I presume he was not rubbing the iPad on his naked back). Its possible that whatever alleged nickel-containing compound was unintentionally spread somehow or other.
Another example is poison ivy, where folks will often spread the plant's oil to various parts of their body after the initial exposure, by failure to properly wash hands or clothing. This has led to the popular misconception that the blister fluid can spread the rash to other parts of the body, or even other people, which is false.
That said, I still think the OP should not jump to the conclusion that a nickel allergy is the culprit, although it may be considered among other factors.
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Your best bet is probably writing to HTC to find out what metals are used in the unibody construction.
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OP stated he has already done so.
redpoint73 said:
My initial reaction was the same. But dermatitis, while often localized to the exposure area, can also be a bit random and unpredictable.
For instance, the article linked in the OP says the boy got the rash "all over his body" and also includes a picture of his back (and I presume he was not rubbing the iPad on his naked back). Its possible that whatever alleged nickel-containing compound was unintentionally spread somehow or other.
Another example is poison ivy, where folks will often spread the plant's oil to various parts of their body after the initial exposure, by failure to properly wash hands or clothing. This has led to the popular misconception that the blister fluid can spread the rash to other parts of the body, or even other people, which is false.
That said, I still think the OP should not jump to the conclusion that a nickel allergy is the culprit, although it may be considered among other factors.
OP stated he has already done so.
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That actually makes a lot of sense, thanks And oh yeah, I missed that in his post.
So far I have found out:
Thank you for your email about construction of the HTC One M8 device from Sprint.
I can appreciate your interest in knowing whether the device has nickel in its construction.
Please note, however, that construction details of our devices are proprietary to HTC. I can only tell you that the device is aluminum-based.
We apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced.
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After responding in disagreement, I received this:
Thank you for contacting us again about the use of nickel in the construction of your HTC One M8 device from Sprint.
Joey, most of the components used in our devices are proprietary. We do not disclose formulas or composition of the parts to the public in most cases.
We apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced due to any materials included in your phone.
Thank you once again for contacting HTC. Have a good day!
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So far I have found out:
After responding in disagreement, I received this:
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They don't deny!
I was wondering about getting a ONE M8 (for test purposes), and found a very cheap second hand. However the guy explained he got allergy to nickel and that it has caused him serious health problem.
However in the Q&A of the page, it also states he's in hospital (doesn't say why) with his device so he won't be able to send it before next week!? If I had an allergy I wouldn't definitely not keep to device causing it?
And so here am I reading this thread and wondering...
EDIT: Sales over so I can't post a link.