Sorry if this has been asked already, but none of my searches yielded any results, so here's my question:
Is there a way, and if so what's the easiest way, to put Windows Media Player 10 on my PDA2K?
I am also looking for methods to install WMP 10 in XDA IIs. can anyone please help getting it out from the magician, or some other pda with wmp 10. please help...
Right now, it isn't possible. WMP is deeply rooted in the operating system, and unless HTC issues an update, chances of getting it done are about nil.
Microsoft's way to make people regret buying their $650 powered product... and for investing twice that in a Media Center PC...
until now.. 2005 still no WM10? this is crap...
hatoncat said:
Right now, it isn't possible. WMP is deeply rooted in the operating system, and unless HTC issues an update, chances of getting it done are about nil.
Microsoft's way to make people regret buying their $650 powered product... and for investing twice that in a Media Center PC...
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Seems the only potential way is to port Magician ROM over to XDA2 or XDA2s. Even that, it will be a long time coming. Hard to find someone with all the devices, and with deep understanding of the device drivers. I reckon that there quite a number that works only for Magician that will failed when used in XDA2/XDA2s.
Right you are, Magician has several different hardware components that will make this difficult, or in my opinion, impossible.
For one, Magician has a different Bluetooth hardware, and two, the device keys have different hardware (internal layouts at least). Anyways, HTC is actually very good in keeping current with ROM updates, I doubt we won't see WMP10, the only question is if it will be before WM2005 or not.
The only stumbling block to WM2005 on Blue Angel is the DIMCOMM (oops, sorry, Widcomm) hardware. It's up to if M$ will approve WM2005 devices that do not use their supported BT hardware (which would be every BT that isn't Widcomm-based).
Yes, Bluetooth in the device could prevent us from getting WMP10. But hey, that's Microsoft for you...
I don't really get it. I can't see why the player needs to be adapted to hardware. The pocket PC os has the sound drivers. Why cant they make a version 10 install thing?
Why do u all need that WMP10 ? Whats what u cant do w WMP9 ?
So Windows Media Player 10 is necessary for better DRM handling. There are several Video and Audio services that are not available with Series 9.
For instance, I buy all my music via Napster. Napster uses WMA format and even though Windows Media Player 9 supports WMA, I cannot play my DRM protected WMA without burning a CD and re-encoding it. I can actually play them from the XDA, but I can't play them from my 1gb sd card so it isn't very helpful. Also Windows Media Player 10 allows us to download from music rental services. Napster 2.0 or Napster to go costs 15 bucks a month and allows you to download about 1gb of music without paying 99 cents per song.
There are similar video drm schemes that demand windows media player 10 too. There are video rental sites that will allow you to download video and save them to your Windows Media Player 10 enabled device.
people download this stuff illegally those who choose to follow the law would really like to have Windows Media Player 10.
I see, this is A reason, i didnt think into this 'coz i never bought music from ms or apple. Now i understand ur side thanks ;-)
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Hello People,
Any one know if there is an iTunes for WM yet if so WHERE
Nope. I don't think that will happen, ever.
There are other WM based audio managers, though. And there are a lot of PC based media center servers with a web interface, you can use them remotely from WM.
You might be interested in doubleTwist.
It claims to sync even your purchased songs to a lot of devices.
doubletwist
Interesting... Apple just had another update to itunes. anyone having some problems with doubletwist?
Mediamonkey is a great tool with a lot of features. one of the best: it's free (there's also a gold version which isn't free).
it will also recognize your WM-Based phone and you can easily sync songs.
If you're searching for an "iTunes" look-alike player on WM, search the forum for "Mortplayer" (with iMort skin), "S2P", "Melody" or "Lumen"
Cheers
Lumen is still alpha and doesn't play any music yet.
Hello people!
Are there any news on iTunes for WM-based PPC?
Missing the point...
I believe some of the repliers above are missing the point of the question. The real point behind this question is not whether there is a music organizer/sync app but if there is an app for downloading music straight to your phone just like iTunes does. Obviously since the user uses iTunes on his or her computer an iTunes app would be a great solution but ANY program that you could purchase and download music from would be absolutely great. In my opinion that is the one and only thing that still makes me want an iPhone even with all the love I have for my TP2.
So, if anyone knows of a decent app for purchasing and downloading music for a WM phone(similar to iTunes) that would be a great thing to suggest here.
It seems that Videolan is searching for developpers, but i'm not able to, so i allow myself to join another thread in another forum, maybe someone could make something ??
http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69482
Thanks.
Dob.
Hi guys,
No one is interrested or I have posted in the wrong section ?
Thanks
Dob.
VLC has been trying for some time to get on Windows Mobile. It needs to happen. An open source video player would be one of the best additions to WM software.
he really miss a player for windows mobile.
TCPMP no longer fit for our machine can not handle hardware acceleration.
I find it really unfortunate that it was not 1 player worthy of Windows Mobile. same core player does not pay can handle certain codecs.
i fully agree with mancukya
the hardware is getting more advance but the software is playing catch-up
vlc is my fav on all platforms, i use it on my pc and my mac
to get it on my winmo phone would be a blessing (i dont want to pay for something like coreplayer which doesnt support that many types of codecs)
So there is no one who can help the Videolan's Team to port VLC on Windows Mobile ?
There is a VLC media player for winmo for a while now, but it is very bad and not really working. whats your problem with coreplayer?!
it's just that my provider offer us a service, that permit us to show the TV via videolan and it's doesn't work with coreplayer....
Hi y´all!
I´ve been searching for this but found no exact ansver.
I come from Touch Pro 2 and am seriously considering jumping ship to Desire.
One of the things that irritate me with respect to winmo is that you can´t download DRM protected music directly to phone. You have to download to a computer and then sync to phone.
Where i live there isn´t access to webstores that allow purchase of music in mp3 format and i don´t have a computer at home. At work media download is prohibited for economic reasons.
Is it possible to download DRM protected WMA files directly to phone and can they be played without further ado?
Please help!
Regards
ELO
Polar67 said:
Hi y´all!
I´ve been searching for this but found no exact ansver.
I come from Touch Pro 2 and am seriously considering jumping ship to Desire.
One of the things that irritate me with respect to winmo is that you can´t download DRM protected music directly to phone. You have to download to a computer and then sync to phone.
Where i live there isn´t access to webstores that allow purchase of music in mp3 format and i don´t have a computer at home. At work media download is prohibited for economic reasons.
Is it possible to download DRM protected WMA files directly to phone and can they be played without further ado?
Please help!
Regards
ELO
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Not so far. I was quite used to play all my Zune pass music on my WM phone. It is the only shortcoming I have had since I moved to Android...
Maybe at some point in the future someone will be able to implement a WMA codec, I'm not sure if requires licensing or not; but for protected WMA (like Zune's) I highly doubt it will ever happen :-/
I bought an HTC HD7 on launch. I also owned an HTC Desire (unlocked and unbranded which I've now given to Mum).
O2 has a 14 day return period. Anyway I decided I really like the Phone. Many people bang on about what Windows Phone doesn't yet have, instead of what it does. I could mention sublime push email, Office, Xbox Live, beautiful apps, very smooth, fast and accurate scrolling, tapping and pinch to zoom, tellme, the best osk ever on a mobile etc.
But for me as a big music fan who always watches video on my device the killer feature is Zune. The Zune sub is £8/month but you get access to millions of DRM's songs and 10 MPs to download or stream. The Zune software on the Phone is awesome and better than the iPod player on the iPhone is which was the gold standard.
But for me the stand out is the Zune PC software. It is so fast, beautiful and works really well. As a Jukebox it blows iTunes (the weak link for PC + iPhone customers) out of the water. I love the Zune client. Things like out of the box wireless sync of your media is science fiction to our Android and iPhone friends.
Suggestions for Microsoft:
1. Please support the avi container.
2. Please support the divx/xvid codec.
3. Please allow the saving of MP3s directly from IE.
4. Please add a podcast section to the Zune platform in the UK like the US.
5. Please expand the film collection and add a zunepass subscription option for films for say £10/month.
Even without certain functions that will arrive in 2011, Windows Phone is enough to make me forget the touchscreen fiasco that was Windows Mobile 6.x.
100% agree. I have a Zune HD and love the overall Zune style and interface + the Zune Pass is an awesome deal that makes you discover new music.
Still have to wait here in the states for Sprint and the HTC 7 Pro...
The zune HD interface is actually nicer. Now that you have access to zune proper, if you need a seperate media player you should totes get one.
IM0001 said:
100% agree. I have a Zune HD and love the overall Zune style and interface + the Zune Pass is an awesome deal that makes you discover new music.
Still have to wait here in the states for Sprint and the HTC 7 Pro...
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That is what I am waiting for, I am not leaving Sprint to go to ATT.
I have to agree.
- Push email is absolutely fantastic,
- Internet Explorer and Pinch to Zoom really good
- Zune is a very nice experience, even if sometimes confusing (it synchronizes my new mp3s but not always delete the ones I deleted from the root folder).
I also agree that avi container as well as support for the divx/xvid codec notably must be implemented by MS.
I agree with this Zune is so awesome. Back when I had a phone and an iPod I always wanted a Zune but it was too much of a hassle to import (bare in mind I was about 16 back then).
The interface is Amazing, coming from android, I just love the heavily graphical UI with the Artist's picture in the background. I know that Android's music player was piss poor (Sense did improve on it) but Zune makes it look like nothing. Zune pass is great (albeit similar to Spotify just cheaper, I like the fact that you "download" though) and the software itself is awesome.
I don't really use podcasts, nor do I care about avi movies (I've synced over an AVI movie through Zune, zune just converts them, this doesn't bother me) although I will offer 2 of my own suggestions:
1. We need background listening support, this is more centric to the OS rather than Zune itself but what I mean is that apps like Last.FM need to be able to "catch" what we're listening to and then scrobble them
2. Zune PC Software is the best media player I've ever used but like above, no scrobbling, please enable plugin support =]
You can activate the Podcast section of the marketplace with a registry hack. Works perfectly:
http://www.techau.tv/blog/how-to-re-enable-zune-feature-in-australia/
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1. We need background listening support, this is more centric to the OS rather than Zune itself but what I mean is that apps like Last.FM need to be able to "catch" what we're listening to and then scrobble them
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By the way, did somebody in Europe find the Last.fm App.
In France, strangely, it's apparently not available on the market?! Weird.
It's a great meadia player for Windows, but seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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It's a great meadia player for Windows, but seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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I agree. Zune paid downloads are MP3s with no watermarks. Unlike iTunes AAC with watermarks (and your iTunes account email address).
It is the subscription downloads which are DRM'd with Windows Media. The point is that you get 10 MP3 downloads which have no DRM a month and the unlimited subscription downloads are a bonus.
Its like having the biggest jukebox in your pocket on top of 10 MP3 tracks.
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...seriously, don't buy DRMed music....
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+1. I don't buy.
Seriously, I didn't imagine that DRM still existed... Really?
If you want to compete with something free, don't make it more complicated than the free thing.
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I agree. Zune paid downloads are MP3s with no watermarks. Unlike iTunes AAC with watermarks (and your iTunes account email address).
It is the subscription downloads which are DRM'd with Windows Media. The point is that you get 10 MP3 downloads which have no DRM a month and the unlimited subscription downloads are a bonus.
Its like having the biggest jukebox in your pocket on top of 10 MP3 tracks.
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So the 10 files you can keep are DRM free? That's nice.
Dazzla said:
You can activate the Podcast section of the marketplace with a registry hack. Works perfectly:
Excellent tip. Now have podcasts in England. Thanks.
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Of course. After the MSN Music and playsforsure fiasco Microsoft realise that if someone buys music to keep forver they want it in high quality 256kbps or 320kbps MP3s. That way they can continue to listen to them for years to come on any device.
Don't forget that Microsoft have many experiences of failure in the consumer world. But they keep coming back until they get it right.
That is why Eric Schmidt said that Microsoft/Bing were their only serious competition. Not Apple, Yahoo!, Facebook.
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+1. I don't buy.
Seriously, I didn't imagine that DRM still existed... Really?
If you want to compete with something free, don't make it more complicated than the free thing.
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It's only DRM'd if you download music using Zune Pass.
I assume the DRM is because if you stop paying the Zune Pass fee, you lose your downloaded music (which TBF is understandable, they can't give you unlimited downloads for only £7.99 a month).
Also, I downloaded Last.fm as soon as I got the device, in the UK here.
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That's only in America, doesn't seem to apply in the UK. You don't get to keep any music once you stop paying the Zune Pass fee.
Yeah im happy with the interface, only problem is Zune refuses to install on any of my x64 operating systems. This means im forced to run it on my EEEPC, which with such low horsepower, is a very very poor experience.
Avis are good for working with uncompressed pre-production video, but its a legacy format outside of that.
Divx/xvid, yea. Zune works in tandem with WMP on Windows.
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Anyone having trouble installing Zune on a WinVP PC? I try to install the software but get an error message saying it won't install to C because access is denied. However, I re-downloaded the software and now it won't iniate the install. It unzips like it is going to install and then nothing happens.
EDIT- Figured it out. Simply created a "Zune" folder in programs of "C" and the software installed. Apparently the install process can't creat the Zune folder on C itself.
I've been using the Zune desktop client since 1.0 and I love it. Fresh UI and experience. But I wonder how you, the xda community, feel about Zune?
I just started using it in preparation for getting my WP7 phone and so far I like it, but it has a lot of "missing features" that I'm looking for in a media player/manager. I was using Media Player before Zune, and most of the options available in MP are not in Zune, such as ripped file names.
I have been useing Zune since I got a Zune HD last year and I must say its the king bar iTunes remit on the iPod touch it beats iTunes in every department. It make organizing media so easy and stylish
Zune software is great! 2 things i don't like are:
1. The Album Art is not hard written onto the mp3 file, and imho it should
2. Unable to install apps on the WP7 phone if you got the app from the phone marketplace and not the desktop marketplace. They should change that.
Probably the best iTunes alternative out there, but I don't like that WP7 is locked to using only Zune. Besides that, the software is excellent and just looks amazing.
It would be more awesome if Microsoft would also add the option of syncing Office docs and PDFs with your phone via Zune.
I know cloud storage is awesome and all but the damn ATT caps make me cry. 200MB for $15.... u gotta be fcuking kidding me
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I've been using the Zune desktop client since 1.0 and I love it. Fresh UI and experience. But I wonder how you, the xda community, feel about Zune?
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I've always liked the looks and how it works, but I hated being able to use only one file type. I had two Zunes at the time...now have an 8GB flash and my HD7...and because of capacity limits, I would use a lower quality or smaller file-size format for my flash Zune and a higher quality format for my 80GB Zune. Only problem, the desktop software will only allow one format at a time...unless you go through the trouble of changing filenames and tag data. iTunes allows an unlimited number of formats...compatible, I mean.
i like it theres a couple things here and there im still trying to figure out like how do you burn songs thats you currently have playing in a now playing list
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Zune software is great! 2 things i don't like are:
1. The Album Art is not hard written onto the mp3 file, and imho it should
2. Unable to install apps on the WP7 phone if you got the app from the phone marketplace and not the desktop marketplace. They should change that.
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Zune can hardwire an image onto the mp3s. All you have to do is go into "collections" right click on your album "change art".
It will link new art into every single file. At least that's what happened with one of my albums.
Been using it ever since I got my Zune HD as well and it's pretty much all I know.
Windows media player is kinda blah but sometimes you have to go back to it to convert files and such. Flac and lossless tend to not show up on Zune as well even though I can see the file and play it on media player.
Other than that, busting open the zune desktop client on my 42" tv when my friends are around is always fun.
Great
Runs much faster than iTunes on my pcs. More intuitive ui for me (I know this VERY subjective). Zune pass is an incredible deal - especially with the 10 permanent downloads.
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I absolutely hated it! I got my nephew an Iphone a while back so I had been using Itunes. Itunes had to be the worst media software I have ever used. That was until last week when I got my Focus. When I loaded my music into Zune, all I got back was a steamin pile of crap. Being a huge rap fan, my collection consists of a bunch of freestyles and mixtapes. Zune had no clue. Media Player on the other hand keep everything in order. After working on retagging and editing for the past wek, I've learned to like it. Started Itunes yesterday for my nephew, Oh god Itunes is awful.
Zune offers than iTunes in the way of features but iTunes is infinitely better organized and intuitive. Edit: iTunes for OS X. iTunes for PC is utter garbage.
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Zune can hardwire an image onto the mp3s. All you have to do is go into "collections" right click on your album "change art".
It will link new art into every single file. At least that's what happened with one of my albums.
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this does link the art and its great but its true the info is stored on a database and not the mp3 as they remain untouched, I love that they don't mess with the actual file but as I also use other mediums to play music it does annoy me i have to sedit tags twice
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I just started using it in preparation for getting my WP7 phone and so far I like it, but it has a lot of "missing features" that I'm looking for in a media player/manager. I was using Media Player before Zune, and most of the options available in MP are not in Zune, such as ripped file names.
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Zune is to Windows Media Player what iTunes is to QuickTime.
That's not the point of Zune.
The point of it is to manage the phone, play the media on the phone/your libraries, and access content on the market place (media, apps, etc.).
It's not designed to be a dedicated media player that replaces Windows Media Player in Windows.
Maybe in Windows 8 they will go that route, but I heavily doubt they will.
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Zune offers than iTunes in the way of features but iTunes is infinitely better organized and intuitive. Edit: iTunes for OS X. iTunes for PC is utter garbage.
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Since PCs have 90%+ marketshare, I think it's fair to say iTunes is utter garbage. QuickTime/iTunes is like malware on a Windows PC.
I've had three zunes in my time.
First was a white 30gb. Loved it, stolen from work sadly.
Second was a brown Zune 30 with the 60gb hdd mod. Loved it as well. But my nephew found it and a cup of coke...
Third I had was a Zune 80. Probably my favorite that I've had. Got my Instinct, so I didn't need my Zune anymore. So I sold it.
I loved the Zune software though. Best I've used.
Same as above, have had 2 Zune 80's, now a Zune 120 (I have a long commute, have them hardwired into my M3's Alpine) so I'm quite used to it. Hate iTunes that I have to have on the PC for the Wife's ipod and ipad. I have thousands of concerts that I add custom art to (and add id3 tags with another tool), no issues. Reliable and fast too. I do look forward to the day MS add's Office/Outlook integration.
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Since PCs have 90%+ marketshare, I think it's fair to say iTunes is utter garbage. QuickTime/iTunes is like malware on a Windows PC.
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So goes your opinion. In my house PCs comprise 50%, Macs the other 50% and iTunes on a Mac is much better than Zune on a PC in many ways.
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So goes your opinion. In my house PCs comprise 50%, Macs the other 50% and iTunes on a Mac is much better than Zune on a PC in many ways.
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Most people don't care about hour house. They care about the market as a whole.
Some people probably have a house full of Taiwanese Android Tablets with Resistive Touchscreens and Tablets but that doesn't make them better than a Galaxy Tab.
I never said iTunes wasn't good on Mac, and it certainly isn't as intuitive as Zune although that IS opinion.
The fact that QuickTime/iTunes is terrible on Windows is just that. It's pushed primarily by iOS products which make a Windows version compulsory due to Windows dominance, but that's about it.
QuickTime (later iTunes) have had the same issues on Windows forever, some being:
1. Hijacking File Associations and Browser Mime types (Easier to Remedy in Vista/7, but in Win3.1-XP this was a big problem that required a non-trivial level of computer knowledge, back then, to remedy).
2. Completely disregards Windows User Interface Guidelines (Apple would not allow such an Application in their MacOS store, yet they feel the need to push their terrible user interface on Windows Users - terrible because it looks utterly foreign).
3. Performance is terrible (but people with high end systems may not feel that, hardware can solve lots of problems).
4. Installing crapware on people's computers: Crappy Printer Sharing App, Apple Updater that is worse than Adobe or HP's, not to mention it takes up as much space as Microsoft Office.
Now... iTunes is better on Macs for the same reason Windows Media Player/Media Center is better on Windows than many competing products. It's developed by the OS vendor, has great OS-level integration, matches the look and feel. Everything just fits nicely.
But iTunes is not that great. It's umbiquitous (for reasons stated above), but not great.
iTunes probably would be about 40% less bad if it wasn't so dependent on QuickTime.
90% of the people who run iTunes on Windows do it because they have an iTouch, iPod, or iPhone. Apple was really good about how they handled that. You need iTunes for pretty much everything on those devices. You hardly hear them even bring up their crappy QuickTime player (at least on Windows Machines... it's practically a system component on Macs along with iTunes).