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Bluetooth DUN (dial up networking) for WM6

Ok. After searching through the forums, and trying various things, I've finally given up...
The goal: To enable bluetooth DUN for WM6.
According to Microsoft, this feature was originally removed due to the thought that their 'Connection Sharing' feature was superior. Unfortunately, my TomTom 910 will ONLY connect via DUN. So, obviously I would like that 'feature' back!
Do any of the chefs out there have access to this feature, and can create a CAB to enable it on my 8525??
This would REALLY be appreciated. I'm sure I'm not the only one out here who misses this feature.
thanks.

I'm with you

Me too
I'm in the same boat. 8525 and 910. Would love a fix.
Kevin

Considering how the change was made to WM6, it is probably unlikely anyone would be able to bring back without issues. I think it is time TomTom start supporting WM6.

Not very hopeful
I asked this same question on the general forum just a couple of days ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309996
Unfortunately, from Menneysys' answer it looks like Ipsi2000 is correct.
I think the options for us TomTom 910 users are:
1. Use duplicate sim and keep another phone in the car to connecto to TomTom
2. Pray and wait that one of the operators releases (or one of the chefs gets hold of) a version of WM6 for the Hermes with DUN back in there (since it will be an option at each operator's discretion)
3. Hope that TomTom upgrades the firmware to support BlueTooth PAN over ICS (That will happen just after hell freezes over. We'll probably have to buy the TomTom 920 or something...)
4. Flash our Hermes back to a pre AKU 3 WM5 ROM (Nooooooooooo!)

cuccureddu said:
I asked this same question on the general forum just a couple of days ago.
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I think the options for us TomTom 910 users are:
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2. Pray and wait that one of the operators releases (or one of the chefs gets hold of) a version of WM6 for the Hermes with DUN back in there (since it will be an option at each operator's discretion)
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I also miss DUN thingy (I have M$ BT stack on my toshiba with completely crippled/non functional PAN and don't really feel like experimenting with Widcomm BT stack right now). So, no GPRS/EDGE internet connection for me - I kind of got used to it with my old P910...
There is an idea though - I did a little digging in the BT services branch of WM6 registry and I've got an impression that DUN functionality is still there it's just has to be enabled via registry (dunno why I got so sure though). What you can try is to ask somebody with pre-AKU 3 wm5 device to dump the registry for you and compare Bluetooth branch (the part where it lists services) with your WM6 device.
It's just a hunch - if what you are saying about operators enabling DUN BT service at their discretion is true, then this trick could actually work out.

i have a spare hermes [Tmobile VarioII variant], i can dump you a copy of the registry just after a HR is you would like?
i can dump it via registry workshop if thats best for you?

Acuum2 said:
i have a spare hermes [Tmobile VarioII variant], i can dump you a copy of the registry just after a HR is you would like?
i can dump it via registry workshop if thats best for you?
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Yup, sounds great. If you can do just HKLM branch that should be enough. I have WM6 black - we can compare BT parts se if we can try to enable DUN back.

The worst part is that, according with MS blog, they DIDN'T remove BT DUN, they give it to the operators, and they can choose to add or not BT DUN to their ROM.
Just isn't in DEFAULT rom, is an option
So, somewere, the MS BT DUN should be available!

I love how because you use it, it automatically makes Bluetooth PAN useless.
It isn't.
It is MILES better than ****ty Bluetooth DUN. I use TomTom on an ancient Ipaq PDA, and even that supports PAN. Not only does it support it, its miles miles more stable. It doesn't require you to dial-up every time you go through a tunnel, or under a bridge, it just works.
I vote NO to bluetooth DUN (unless it can run alongside PAN)
Its TomTom you should be angry at, not MS or the operators!

I know, my car is miles away from my feet, but sometimes I need to go were only feet are allowed
The problem isn't what is better but why they removed BT DUN instead of leaving it..
I am a bad, bad, bad boy, but I believe there is some marketing strategy behind, like AS4.5 NEEDED for WM6 not working with outloook 2002, with NT...

al3xxx said:
Yup, sounds great. If you can do just HKLM branch that should be enough. I have WM6 black - we can compare BT parts se if we can try to enable DUN back.
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al3xxx
Here you go,
sorry did the entire thing...

well i added the WM DUN reg keys to my Elf WM06 and its not enabled the DUN service... (not surprised, if it were that simple it would have been figured out weeks ago... So what's next?)

Microsoft saying they give the DUN to the operators sounds fishy. Let's face it, Microsoft would prefer everyone uses PAN (considering it provides all the features available in DUN and plus more). They basically said to the operators we will support PAN, however if you wish you can implement DUN but you will have support it yourself and any issues that may crop up due this implementation. Most operators would not want the additional support or issues that may come up due to them providing a deprecated function. PAN is the replacement for DUN and there is very little we could do about it.
Software vendors need to adopt PAN or it may not work with WM6.

clublander said:
I love how because you use it, it automatically makes Bluetooth PAN useless.
It isn't.
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I vote NO to bluetooth DUN (unless it can run alongside PAN)
Its TomTom you should be angry at, not MS or the operators!
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Yeah not MS, what made winxp BT stack PAN absolutely NOT working - tried bunch of BT devices with it - neither one was recognized as PAN capable... See if PAN on the phone (and PC) was working for me whan I was set in front of the fact that there is the ONLY choice MS gives me if I want to use my phone as wireless modem i wouldn't really get the DUN back...

al3xxx said:
Yeah not MS, what made winxp BT stack PAN absolutely NOT working - tried bunch of BT devices with it - neither one was recognized as PAN capable... See if PAN on the phone (and PC) was working for me whan I was set in front of the fact that there is the ONLY choice MS gives me if I want to use my phone as wireless modem i wouldn't really get the DUN back...
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Thats funny, I use my WM6 device with XP with no troubles.
I suggest you need computer lessons.

To re-iterate, TomTom is going to have to update THEIR Bluetooth stack, unfortunately. PAN is almost identical to DUN, it just has an interface on the phone now, whereas you had to do it all from your PC before. If you don't believe me that it's virtually identical, look in your WM6 registry. The PAN service is STILL CALLED "DIAL UP NETWORKING" in the registry. Furthermore, if you recall, when you pair your phone to your pc, the phone offers DUN as a service!! Do you see PAN in that service list? No... because it's DUN!! Same thing, folks.
All MS was shooting for was the ability to make it easier to dial up to the internet through the phone, not to mention, add the functionality to become a Network node. It's the same thing as buying a new pc these days that doesn't come with a dial up modem. Why not? Because it comes with a network adapter.
TomTom is going to have to update their stack to recognize this service.. not the other way around.

Stpete111,
I emailed Tom Tom about this today, and their attitude is as follows:
I told them I have a M3100 that their attitude was - we don't no support phones with WM 5 OR 6 especially NOT this device! But get this, they DO support the O2 XDA Mini S....so I don't think they understand that they are already supporting a WM5 device....
Anyway, there was no indication that they intend to change this, and I suspect that they won't.
So I suspect you'll have four choices:
1) Live without any phone when using you're TTG - not an option if you've already subscribed to one of their services.
2) Go back to WM5 - where it will work - far from ideal.
3) Get a spare phone that will work, and a duplicate sim - not that easy...
Or finally, 4) Invest in a device that's more current that WILL support WM6 devices.
Anyway, that's my thoughts - I've yet to make up my mind. But I'm not holding out any hope of TT changing their minds!!
Matt

Here's an update:
I have spoken with TomTom regarding this issue, and this is what I have found out. It's not really good news.
TomTom is phasing out the cell phone connection to their GPS units. All future units do NOT use cell phones to access traffic and weather info. They will ONLY use FM antenna for their data.
So, TomTom probably won't be updating their Bluetooth stack for us current-generation GPS owners. Their next generation ships in July.
Ideally, (for me at least), I would like to have BOTH DUN and PAN services on WM6. That way, for "older" devices, we still have connectivity, while at the same time, future devices can use PAN.
(just my .02c)

Has anyone tried Garmin products? I have tried two Garmin units but NOT with Bluetooth, so I don't know anything about their BT functionality. I DO know however that I much prefer the Garmin devices to TomTom's. Not trying to spark a debate here over which is better... but perhaps checking out Garmin's capabilities is a 5th option?

Network Share

Is there a way with an HTC Dash / Excalibur running WM6 Standard to access network resources on a LAN through the WIFI? I've tried looking for an option in Total Commander, and I installed the Resco Explorer 2007 trial. It seems that Resco's PocketPC version supports mapping drives, but not for the WM6 Standard. I've seen screenshots of what is available in Resco Explorer. That option is omitted for the WM6 Standard version.
I've tried ORB and Soonr. Those seem to be the only methods, but I was hoping for a more native method.
Any suggestions or advice?
Thank you,
Tim

Mapping to Home Network Share
Is this not possible on an HTC S620/S621 ? I would like to be able to map to my network shares. I could then even use Hamachi VPN to connect even if I'm away from home.
But first things first. There seems to be no way to map a drive letter, or even connect via a UNC statement of \\abc\123 ... etc.
So far the only methods I've seen are soonr and orb. I suppose it's a work around, but I was hoping for a more windows native method.
From my research, it seems that those running touch screen / windows mobile professional can do this. If they add Resco Explorer 2007 it has that option. I installed the Windows Smartphone Standard trial version, and the option doesn't exist.
Nor does it exist with Total Commander.
Thank you,
- Tim

Not possible with WM6 Standard Devices?
Haven't received an answer. I've been googling for a response, but everything I've read seem to indicate that the network mapping thing is a real crippling part of these phones.
I've noticed that this seems to be a major difference between WM6 devices with touch screens, therefore running WM6 professional versus the WM6 Standard Devices.
Touchscreen WM6 Devices can map drives, use remote connectivity software, and even have more advance function in pocket office.
Non-touchscreen WM6 devices can't perform drive mappings, or use remote connectivity software like RDP or VNC.
I'd like to be able to map a drive to my network, and transfer files that way, rather than through activesync. I can't understand how I can obtain an IP using my HTC Dash's WIFI over my wireless router, but yet, not connect in any manner to the network that I have shared drives on.
If someone knows of a way, then please let me know.
Thank you,
Tim

no one has ever mapped a drive w/ the excalibur??

i have tried for months...it seems as if the phone is the big proble. it doesnt support netbios from what i have seen. on my network i can ping it by netbios name and everything from the pc end of things..but from the phone i cant see the computer by anything but ip which is fine. but i cannot acces a share or network drive via \\ip.address. no idea how you would create a share on the phone either

gixxum said:
i have tried for months...it seems as if the phone is the big proble. it doesnt support netbios from what i have seen. on my network i can ping it by netbios name and everything from the pc end of things..but from the phone i cant see the computer by anything but ip which is fine. but i cannot acces a share or network drive via \\ip.address. no idea how you would create a share on the phone either
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Maybe Microsoft's Live Mesh technology will help this. Apparently there will be a client for mobiles and could give you a way to access your files on the go. (I know this doesn't quite answer your question, but maybe helps solve the problem)
See http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=399577 for some details

How to map a network Drive with Built in WM software.
Hey guys. I have to say the solution is so simple it is Genious.
Simply open up internet explorer on your device and type in \\SHARENAME\
IE will translate this into file://\\sharename\ and if it is password protected it will ask you for the user name and password. You will then be sent to Windows File Explorer, and Viola you are surfing your network resources. You can even save them as a favorite for later use.
I hope this helps.

That doesn't seem to do anything?? Did you get this to work in IE for wm6.1?

Quick way to turn off wifi?

Has anyone got any good idea for setting up a quickly-accessible shortcut for turning the wifi connection on or off?

There's CommManager button on the keyboard that leed you to WiFi and other connections. I'm on the SPB Mobile Shell3. Try it and you find out that there can be everything you imagine on the screen. So have Wireless Manager right in fron of me.
Dan

Thanks - I hadn't noticed that.
Interesting that you're choosing to use SPB Mobile Shell 3 instead of TouchFlo - I was thinking of doing the same myself.

TF3D is definitely not bad and this last release is good. But MS3 is awesome, using this already since times of Kaiser. There is much more freedom and operativness with MS3. Worth of trying at least...

itm said:
Has anyone got any good idea for setting up a quickly-accessible shortcut for turning the wifi connection on or off?
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Have set long press on the "phone" key to Comms Manager, then you can twiddle wi-fi to your heart's content!

This program works great just one click on or off
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-aktogglewifi.html

This is one of the issues that I'd like to solve as well. One of the great capabilities of Nokia Symbian OS is that you can directly press on a bookmark for example and it will pop up a menu asking you to choose the way you want to connect (GPRS, WIFI access point, WAP, ...)
You just choose from it and there you go! Once you close the browser or the application that requires the internet connection it automatically stops wifi!
I find this setup great and it makes things much easier. Any way we can have such a setup on our beloved TP2?

I have installed smaberg's action screen:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=479206
Only the bluetooth button dont work I think.

milo_f said:
Only the bluetooth button dont work I think.
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That's affirmative!
The util, a great util by the way, is written for the Xperia, which has a WM bluetooth stack.
The Rhodium has a WidComm BT stack, so that's the only part that won't work.

DUN on Tilt 2 bluetooth

I've been wracking my brain trying to figure this out. I'm trying to establish an internet connection through my tilt 2 from my other pda. When I pair I see the dial up networking option. When I connect, it seems to connect but it won't establish an internet connection and gets dropped.
I've used this method to connect to my old Nokia E62 so I know my pda is able to make these types of connections. I was wondering if it's there's a work around for allowing this. I'm using the Energy Rom Phoenix2 build 21876.
I've searched hi and low but doesn't seem anyone else has had this problem.

Anyone have any ideas on this?

If the other PDA has wifi then use the WIFI sharing..

I'll have to go that route. I was just hoping to save on battery consumption

Same problem for me on the Tilt 2 on e2ROM. My old Tilt with WM6.1 works with BT DUN but not WM6.5 I guess. But BT PAN does work great on e2ROM just not DUN.

wpbear said:
Same problem for me on the Tilt 2 on e2ROM. My old Tilt with WM6.1 works with BT DUN but not WM6.5 I guess. But BT PAN does work great on e2ROM just not DUN.
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It's not a wm6.5 issuse because I flashed a 6.1 ROM and I still had the same problem. I'm thinking it's a problem with the BT stack they're using.

ppa25 said:
It's not a wm6.5 issuse because I flashed a 6.1 ROM and I still had the same problem. I'm thinking it's a problem with the BT stack they're using.
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I gave up for now. I have finals to study for. Maybe I'll try again in a few weeks. If you get it then post it for everyone. Thank you.

Has anyone ever found a solution to this?
I'm trying to the same thing with a Trimble Survey Controller and my Tilt2. The survey specific software is written to only use a DUN for internet access in order to acquire NTRIP corrections.
What really sucks is that I can use Wifi to give the PDA Internet access as confirmed with PIE. But the survey software will not use the Wifi

if your wanting to do it over bluetooth set the dial as *#99# i belive to make the other pda do gprs and send the data back via bluetooth

Wifi to bluetooth

Hi, I have a tactical sail program to my windows phone, but this software can only use bluetooth to connect to the system on my boat. My boat only sends out signals over wifi. Is there a program for windows mobile that lets me receive wifi from the boat and trick the sailing software to belive it gets the information over bluetooth?
Martin

no lol. both two total different communication protocols..

I'm not sure you understood what I meant. Is there a program that can take wifi signals and send them as bluetooth inside the phone, to the sail program.
Martin

im pretty sure what u meant..
and i still say no. thats not possible
its like flying with a bicycle , without wings..
impossible

been searching a bit for bluetooth proxies...
looks worth while investigating it
google bluetooth proxy and check the web-pages which pop up.

i'm not a programmer but still i think u can get this idea to some developer to get it done.....
like my idea would be like get the data from wifi means from specific IPORT and redirect the data to a internal COM port...... u can add this port to a incoming PORT in ur application.....
but again im not sure how much this is possible in implementation
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Hi, I have a tactical sail program to my windows phone, but this software can only use bluetooth to connect to the system on my boat. My boat only sends out signals over wifi. Is there a program for windows mobile that lets me receive wifi from the boat and trick the sailing software to belive it gets the information over bluetooth?
Martin
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