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After examining the Voip.CAB I can post some consideration:
The Voip cab provides some dlls, an xml file and add some reg values, no exe to run. There is no way to use SIP features until we get a Radio rom wm6 version.
the dlls interacts with the RADIO rom, giving the apropriate setting in the Options screen of Phone setting, and they give the Today plugin too.
The ipdialplan.xml is the Dial Plan that owr Phone app will use to know when it must use regular GSM line or IP phone service, taking a look inside you will see the patterns and the standard SIP "Dial" command (Advanced users of sjphone will easily understand), example: for calling user 911 on the server microsoft.com you'll use Dial command like: SIP:[email protected]
By now, the only thing that we need is an interface.
Maybe Microsoft has decided to put SIP features to their standard Phone app, and I agree with this, because this will be more simple to use and trasparent to the user: The Dialplan will decide about the LCR (Low Cost Routing)
Hope to see a Radio-wm6-rom capable soon ,)
Bummer!
The main reason I flashed my ROM was that I thought there was an integrated SIP client!
So do you think when this happens we will only need to reflash the radio ROM?
I reeeeealy need this as SJPhone is OK but not integrated and a bit of a bloat...
Maybe
I heard about a Chinese Radio Rom that came with the vanilla version of the WM6 build that many of us have flashed.. If I could get it..
VOIP
Just use Skype, works fine!
Cheers, Leo
Well, thanks for that constructive answer... It's as if someone was asking for a way to get his car running with a missing part and you say "Why, just use a motorbike!" Sure, Skype gets the job done, but it is years away from being a flexible and truly usable solution on the PPC. And that's putting it nicely. Skype is just a pain to use for any serious mobile telephony. An integrated SIP client with the capability to choose the provider I want beats Skype to the bandwidth hogging pulp that it really is. So let's all hope that there will be a radio rom that allows us to use SIP soon ~
Ooops!
Sorry about that, sometimes I can be such aaa....
It wasn't my intention!
Cheers, Leo
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Well, thanks for that constructive answer... It's as if someone was asking for a way to get his car running with a missing part and you say "Why, just use a motorbike!" Sure, Skype gets the job done, but it is years away from being a flexible and truly usable solution on the PPC. And that's putting it nicely. Skype is just a pain to use for any serious mobile telephony. An integrated SIP client with the capability to choose the provider I want beats Skype to the bandwidth hogging pulp that it really is. So let's all hope that there will be a radio rom that allows us to use SIP soon ~
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Skype
I agree, it would be nice to have the SIP client.
But I find it unfair to criticize Skype. Has any of you tried the latest version (2.2) on a Wizard running WM6. It's amazingggggggg. Works smoothly and has far more options than will any SIP client for quiet many years...
Ciao,
Antoine
Hi,
I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.
The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.
Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?
Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?
the short answer is no.
reason, you will overwrite all system files in the windows directory (which includes all the registry keys/values). Therefore you will run into problem.
Best thing to do is to reinstall all your apps, operator settings etc and sync your device to get your contacts, emails, tasks notes etc back on your wmxl0.2 install.
Cheers,
.VIBE said:
Hi,
I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.
The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.
Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?
Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?
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I think this is not entirely true. You could easily restore your contacts/mail/etc. Most system files will not be overwritten as they are in ROM. Just make sure you ain't restoring files mentioned before by jasjamming.
The tricky part is registry. What I'm going to do is making a diff file between the original registry and the one I have now. Then I'll simply apply changes. I know it may not work, but it's worth trying.
Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.
I've a problem too
Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2... I miss such feature, as I can be using my notebook searching for answer first instead of asking directly via my Herems -> VNC -> Windows -> Firefox (where my forum password is saved)...
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Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2..QUOTE]
Really i use ICS via bluetooth (and usb) daily with v0.1, works a treat!
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Cyberon Voice Cammander voicetag backup/restore
.VIBE said:
Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.
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Is it Cyberon voice tag ? Google and get this utility to backup/restore voicetag database via activesync, but I haven't try it. (readme.txt attached)
http://translate.google.com/transla...h?q=vsddb&hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2007-03,GGLJ:en
Let me know the result if you gonna try it (if your's vc is cyberon ver1.2 and below)
Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
What I am doing is reloading the apps that are on today screen or that I leave in memory when switching the device off as they need to be in main memory or extended memory to avoid the card not present issue during power up and for the rest I go into HKCU and HKLM and selectively save the keys in the Software directory. This includes the shareware key for SW registration.
I am using vmenu and saving its related registry to access the other program straight from the card so I do not have to recreate shortcuts.
I save all the registery tweaks in individual file to apply them as needed.
Yeah, that's a bummer, but I have a feeling it'll be worth it!
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Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
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I don't know these voice tags, but stupid question: would synchronizing with a PC not save all contact details, including these tags (if they are part of the contact's details)? If this is so, then you could easily restore them be synchronizing again, after the upgrade.
Cheers
Daniel
I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're talking about. AFIK Cyberon Voice Dialer is what uses those "Voice Tags". Without Cyberon there is no "Voice Tag" mechanism in WM.
This is why I personally prefer MS Voice Command or even Cyberon Voice Commander (both retail products), they are true voice recognition programs not voice tag comparison programs.
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Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
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Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.
My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).
Not really.
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Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.
My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).
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Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.
Opps, forgot about the Extended Rom. But then how many today plug-ins can one use?
Personally I always run my today plug-ins and MS Voice Command in main memory then everything else goes to the storage card.
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Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.
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Forget Voice Tags use MS Voice command 1.6...it's BRILLIANT. The leader earlier, was Fonix...Now MS has stepped up to the plate...and its a Home Run.
Trini
I agree MS VC is amazing...it works nearly every time. It is my primary control while driving.
Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6
To clear things up, there are three major "Voice" programs:
Microsoft Voice Command
Cyberon Voice Commander
Cyberon Voice Dialer
Cyberon Voice Dialer is the one that uses voice tags. BTW, it is the one usually embedded in Carrier Roms thus it is the only free (legally) one.
Cyberon Voice Commander has some functions that MS Voice Command doesn't (it can read full e-mails for example) but the "Say Command" prompt gets annoying after a while and it isn't as good at recgonition as the MS Product.
With v1.6 Microsoft has finally brought a complete product to the table. Unfortunately there are BT issues with our Hermes.
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Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6
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Hi,
Just changed my wizard for a Herme and getting myself onto the rom flash ladder here.
I cant see any roms with voice command 6 in, are there any or is there a cab I can just run?
Also can anyone recommend what radio version to use on aN Orange UK phone, just that Im on 1.38 at the moment and the reception so far is not as good as my wizard.
Sorry one other thing how do I find the IPL / SPL on this phone andwhich ones do you recommend?#
Thanks,
Dave.
try black 3.0.1
Just to be clear, some of the ROMs have Cyberon Voice Commander. None of them have MS Voice Command (nor should they, because it would be blatant stealing).
davidlucas said:
Hi,
Just changed my wizard for a Herme and getting myself onto the rom flash ladder here.
I cant see any roms with voice command 6 in, are there any or is there a cab I can just run?
Also can anyone recommend what radio version to use on aN Orange UK phone, just that Im on 1.38 at the moment and the reception so far is not as good as my wizard.
Sorry one other thing how do I find the IPL / SPL on this phone andwhich ones do you recommend?#
Thanks,
Dave.
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The black Roms include cyberon voice commander as and add-on download. It does the same as VC. Vc is not included because it's is a retail product.
for IPl/SPL, Go to the Hermes upgrading thread and check out Olipro's Hard-SPL. It install the latest IPL and the best SPL.
Thanks for the info guys.
Just installed the OLi Pro so hopefully thats now up to date.
Is the Cyberon as good as Voice commander do you know?
Then its a case of working out which rom to flash.
I'm running Faria's 3.3 on my old wizard and thats great, lots of utilities etc.
Now to work out which one for the Herme, any recommendations?
Cheers,
DAve.
davidlucas said:
Thanks for the info guys.
Just installed the OLi Pro so hopefully thats now up to date.
Is the Cyberon as good as Voice commander do you know?
Then its a case of working out which rom to flash.
I'm running Faria's 3.3 on my old wizard and thats great, lots of utilities etc.
Now to work out which one for the Herme, any recommendations?
Cheers,
DAve.
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IMHO Cyberon VC is in no way any comparision to MS VC..
Now maybe if you have never used MS VC then you would be okay using Cyberon but again just my opinion..
Couldn't say it better... If you like MS Voice Command and want it in your rom you're gonna have to cook your own personal rom.
MS VoiceCommand does have its issues (which the smart people on this board have found workarounds to), but it is lightyears ahead of Cyberon VoiceCommander.
For me the biggest difference is the fact that with Cyberon you need to create/maintain a library of "voice tags," which not only is a PITA, but it also means you can't hand your phone to somebody else and let them use voice commands.
MSVC is definitely the way to go, and IMHO t's worth every penny... I just wish it didn't hog so much RAM!
The full Cyberon thats available actually doesn't use voice tags but its still no comparision to MS VC..
thanks again for the replies.
Not having the voicetags was what I liked about vc, also that factthat while i'm driving it reads my messages.
I say "word" to all of the people speaking for VC. It is the best 40 bucks I've spent for my phone, period.
Agreed I just love the program..
I couldn't even imagine voice tagging 20+ contacts, heck even 10+ voice tags would be a pain.
Has anyone actually used ms vc and cyberon vc? Because I have been tempted to get ms vc but $40 ..... Cyberon is free and I have never had to make a voice tag, it reads my sms and email. It is tricky at times it dose not seem to like my bland California accent... I have on more than one occasion goten very frustrated with it. It seems predictive in its ability to let me down just when I need it, or want to show off my fancy phone. Is M$ really that much better? If someone that has used the full Cyberon voice comander and voice dial could tell me what about MS VC is worth the money. Thanks
Ive had MS Voice Commander for many years and loved it. I've also put up with the pain of hacking the registry everytime I flash a ROM. But with the latest WM6 ROMS I just couldn't be bothered with all the ahstle of those tweaks to only get half of the functions - like may I never managed to get the headset to ring or announce calls and as v1.6 was initially US anyway I decided to give Cyberon a try and do you know? It's great to have something that works straight away with NO tweaks at all. I have found that the voice recognition is just as good as MS VC without creating tags. The accent took a little getting used to for me but I can live with it. It doesnt appear to play media quite as well without voice tags as you have to request just the name of the track (if it begins with 01 on the tracklisting that can be quite confusing!!!). Reading emails is a bit clumsy as it reads headers and other useless bits f info you dont want to hear.
But most of all I like Cyberon because it requires no tweaks with my headsets AND as well as fairly comparable voice recognition for contacts and dialling it ALSO allows you to tag as well if you wish so you win both ways!!!
Just my two penny's worth.
Thank you so much for that responce. I would have been very disaponted to spend that kind of money and get the same or similar functionalty.
I don't think many people are aware that Resco has launched a Beta release of their new Contact manager. At the moment it's free for download and has a license included, so I recommend you try it out while you can!
http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/contactmanager/
The application itself works really nice on HD. It's in full screen, with pretty much the same functions as we've seen on Yota contacts + it has an SMS screen that shows threaded SMS in a much better way then standard WinMo.
It supports Favorites, Call history, Contacts, SMS viewer and a Dialpad.
Of course, it's not nearly implemented into TF3D, altough the app sets itself as default Contacts. Biggest plus is the speed - it's a very fast application. Downside for me is - it's a bit on the ugly side Yota looks much nicer.
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I've personally kicked out Yota since the release of this app because it was buging my phone sometimes and the worth thing is that is was draining a lot my battery....
But this resco contact, is really awesome !
really fluide, it is automatically mapped on the call buton, and really useful.
For a beta version it is really promising
yota also annoying my HD. creating lots of bugging. resco contact manager is a good option~ importantly, it's free!
cool! i like it tooooo!
no languages options but its ok!
thx a lot
options and skins will surely come in the next release as this is the first beta!!!
it is really fast this app ... i love it so far
Thanks for the info Rozenthal.
I just wished there had been a .cab file to download.
For the time being, I'm away from my PC so will have to wait before installing and using this little gem.
tell me about it i'm a mac user and have to start that crap thing windows xp ...
That is a very valid point you mention there berkut_g.
I wonder how difficult it would be (and the legal implications) to recompile as a .cab file?
it's fast! even faster than iContact! It replaces the dailer, but its dailer doesn't support Video Call. Too bad but I need Video Call. It also has some problems with rotation - from landscape and then back to portrait...
cool fast and nice design
Rozenthal said:
I don't think many people are aware that Resco has launched a Beta release of their new Contact manager. At the moment it's free for download and has a license included, so I recommend you try it out while you can!
http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/contactmanager/
The application itself works really nice on HD. It's in full screen, with pretty much the same functions as we've seen on Yota contacts + it has an SMS screen that shows threaded SMS in a much better way then standard WinMo.
It supports Favorites, Call history, Contacts, SMS viewer and a Dialpad.
Of course, it's not nearly implemented into TF3D, altough the app sets itself as default Contacts. Biggest plus is the speed - it's a very fast application. Downside for me is - it's a bit on the ugly side Yota looks much nicer.
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great find well done
I like it!
It's very fast indeed.
But it is totally not the program showed on the site.
How to change to that black version??
this is the fisrt beta and they haven't incuded any skins for the moment
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this is the fisrt beta and they haven't incuded any skins for the moment
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Ah well, installed!
Feels great and very very fast!
Best contact manager so far.
I also like Yota, but that's much heavier and slower.
EDIT:
Just received a call: screen totally messud up!
Somehow Resco also tries to change this???
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Via program files, Resco Contact: click on RPMOpt - "don't manage incoming calls". Works better now
I installed it on my Sprint Touch. It's a really nice program. I wish the touch sensitivity was a little better (when selecting "Call Home", "Call Mobile", "Send SMS", etc on each contact). I have to really hit the button just right towards the bottom for it to work. It is still beta so I'm sure they'll improve on it. I used the love Vito Funcontact but this app will be my new replacement. Try it out!
Edit: The "Manage Incoming Calls" is working nicely on my phone... so far.
Beards said:
Thanks for the info Rozenthal.
I just wished there had been a .cab file to download.
For the time being, I'm away from my PC so will have to wait before installing and using this little gem.
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Resco Contact Manager
I tried it two days ago, but uninstalled it due to buggy network shortcuts on the today plugin, and limited contact functions.
Replaced it with phoneAlarm and iContact Burt edition
Thanks Rozenthal, good find.
Really nice contact program.
Hello @all,
is there any easy and free "BPM-Counter" in the net?
It just should show the BPM based on tapping on the screen the breat of music you´re listing. Functions should be "start, stop, reset", only.
I wasn´t able to find an actual for WM (but some for iPhone )
I´m remembering one for my old SE P800 (Symbian).
Does anyone knows a little program for WM (or Java, running on X1)?
Maybe one you amazing developers ist able to create one?
Many musicians will be very thankful, i think.
Thx in advance
Vito Metronome can do that. Its old but functioning at as mentioned by the name it is also a metronome. Skinnable and displays italian terms of tempo (allegro, adagio, presto, largo etc). It has individual volume slider for the click loudness. Supports control over the time signature to position the downbeat. I'd personally LOVE a score editor for ppc... like Sibelius Mobile
Thanks.
There are a lot "pure" metronoms in the net.
Does Vito Metronome is able to get the BPM by tapping the screen?
Unfortutely it is not for free.
What kind of sw is Sibelius?
Vito metronome supports tapping indeed. Sibelius is my favourite score editor. And I love portability. Since getting my PPC I feel like laptop is as portable as desktop
I use k-metronome, which has a lot of great features. It isn't free, but I use it a lot, and have enjoyed all of the features. It has the tap-in-beat feature, as well as the options for various types of rhythms and poly/feels.
Another music program I use is phontuner. I use it for tuning my 12-string guitar, as well as to help vocalists see if they are singing in tune. It can be set for tuning various types of stringed instruments.
I've never tried Sibelius - I'll have to look into it!