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Capdase alumor bumper duoframe, any good?

The aluminum bumper from capdae looks nice. I like the black/gold especially, or maybe the all silver color. Has anyone tried it yet? I want to know how rigid it is, if it really is aluminum, and whether it is smooth and cool to the touch. Also wanted to know if the break where the two pieces snap together can be easily felt, and if the finish is good and smooth with no sharp or rough places. I've bought cheap snap-on hard cases and the break where they snap on was always rough and unpleasant.
Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpNyO1AaOUg
Here's the same thing for the S2. It's easier to see the bumper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRHvtTb4j-s

katamari201 said:
The aluminum bumper from capdae looks nice. I like the black/gold especially, or maybe the all silver color. Has anyone tried it yet? I want to know how rigid it is, if it really is aluminum, and whether it is smooth and cool to the touch. Also wanted to know if the break where the two pieces snap together can be easily felt, and if the finish is good and smooth with no sharp or rough places. I've bought cheap snap-on hard cases and the break where they snap on was always rough and unpleasant.
Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpNyO1AaOUg
Here's the same thing for the S2. It's easier to see the bumper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRHvtTb4j-s
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I have one, it's pretty good! The frame itself is definitely aluminium (checked for solidity and sonorous...ity and confirm it's metal) Takes a little effort to snap it together, but once in place it's extremely solid with no flex whatsoever. The frame is also slightly raised at the back in each corner so the camera lens does not touch the "surface" when you put it down (something that was crucial to me and not clear from the pictures)
The only slight downside is that the metal is quite smooth so it's a little slippery compared to my previous leather case (unsurprising!) and the brushed effect is only average, would have preferred a "matte" effect but that's only a minor gripe.
As for sharp edges, the only edges I really notice are around the stylus gap but even these aren't particularly sharp, just 90° cuts.
This frame is definitely not going anywhere without the opening tool, that's for sure!

Why do people put these bumpers on their phones...I mean on a phone like the iPhone or S2 where it's small, I'd get it...but on a large phone like the Note....I just find it so fugly.

PoisonWolf said:
Why do people put these bumpers on their phones...I mean on a phone like the iPhone or S2 where it's small, I'd get it...but on a large phone like the Note....I just find it so fugly.
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Considering it's up to them since they bought it..
Tell you what, you can buy me another Note and put whatever you want on it.

What kind of aluminum is it and how does it feel? Say in comparison to the iPad (abit rough but nice), iPad2/3 (a bit too smooth and not as rigid as first ipad), iPhone (stainless steel-ish), samsung phones like the s8500 wave and omnia 7 (brushed and too rough, not very rigid). I guess any household item or gadget to describe it would be nice. Would like to also know how much of a surface area increase does it provide over just the bare chrome trim, and whether it is easier and more comfortable to hold with it on. Holding it comfortably and securely is my main focus. Oh, also wanted to know whether there is any soft material in the inside, especially where it touches the front glass, to protect the phone from getting scratched by the frame.

katamari201 said:
What kind of aluminum is it and how does it feel? Say in comparison to the iPad (abit rough but nice), iPad2/3 (a bit too smooth and not as rigid as first ipad), iPhone (stainless steel-ish), samsung phones like the s8500 wave and omnia 7 (brushed and too rough, not very rigid). I guess any household item or gadget to describe it would be nice. Would like to also know how much of a surface area increase does it provide over just the bare chrome trim, and whether it is easier and more comfortable to hold with it on. Holding it comfortably and securely is my main focus. Oh, also wanted to know whether there is any soft material in the inside, especially where it touches the front glass, to protect the phone from getting scratched by the frame.
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The only soft inside is on the back section in the four corners. The phone does not move around at all so there is no risk of scratching, which is also coupled with the fact that aluminium physically cannot scratch Gorilla Glass - in fact your screen will scratch the aluminium!
As for holding it, there is a certain degree of personal opinion involved. Some people would find the ridge on the back surface (the cutout of the frame where it meets the battery cover) uncomfortable, however I really like it because it provided a gripping point for your fingers when holding one handed a bit like the finger ridges on some digital cameras.
Size-wise, it only adds ~2mm on each side so not much of a difference.
The finish is brushed aluminium, so cannot be compared to any iDevice because they are all matte/sandblasted. The finish reminds me of the brushed aluminium of the Hyper Osiris PC case (mainly because I had one of these myself for a while) If you do a Google Images search and filter for large images you'll get a good view of the finish style. One thing for sure, it definitely does not flex when pushed anywhere!

capdase usually has good, reliable and cheaper cases for those on a budget i think in some you get a free screen gaurd too which is like killing two birds with one stone

nikethdesouza said:
capdase usually has good, reliable and cheaper cases for those on a budget i think in some you get a free screen gaurd too which is like killing two birds with one stone
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Forgot to mention that bit, my Duo Frame came with a screen protector as well. Not applied it yet though!

[Q] Metal band not metal?

Well, initially I received my phone and was so happy about the premium feel of the metal band surrounding the sides of the phone. Today I'm carefully looking at the quality and noticed that if you look inside any of the ports it appears the " metal" stops immediately after the surface and a hard, almost ceramic looking material is underneath. Anybody else notice this? Maybe they got really good at their "metallic finishes and found a very hard machinable plastic, because the more I look at that chamfored edge, the more it looks like chrome paint.

The whole phone itself is not made out of aluminum. There is a mix of other metals(magnesium) and plastics, along with an aluminum band around it. Also, aluminum itself is not shiny like the chamfered edge, and only shows as being shiny/mirror-like finish due to the machine cut.

iggibar said:
The whole phone itself is not made out of aluminum. There is a mix of other metals(magnesium) and plastics, along with an aluminum band around it. Also, aluminum itself is not shiny like the chamfered edge, and only shows as being shiny/mirror-like finish due to the machine cut.
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I would like to belive that but working in a machine shop I know what metal is. Unfortunately it's quite apparent that it's painted plastic if you look at the bottom of the phone where the sPen goes in. they smoothed the edge out and rubbed the paint off showing white plastic underneath. If there is metal there it's a paper this sheet of it. I'm afraid they have once again fauxed it up again. I do think it is a vastly improved look but still plastic.

mcaleer1 said:
I would like to belive that but working in a machine shop I know what metal is. Unfortunately it's quite apparent that it's painted plastic if you look at the bottom of the phone where the sPen goes in. they smoothed the edge out and rubbed the paint off showing white plastic underneath. If there is metal there it's a paper this sheet of it. I'm afraid they have once again fauxed it up again. I do think it is a vastly improved look but still plastic.
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Alright, here's the facts since you don't believe what I said:
The note 4 consists of 2 chassis-
-The first chassis is made of an aluminum-magnesium allow called magnalium(which also includes small traces of tin/copper/ nickel) and is used to mount the processors and other heat conducting hardware.
-The second chassis consists of plastic and has an aluminum band around the perimeter(the one you see from the exterior). This plastic chassis is mostly used as a scaffolding to hold any extra hardware/accessories(Spen) that do not conduct heat.
The magnalium gives it strength.
The plastic keeps it light.
The aluminum gives it looks.
I can't ask for a better combination.

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Alright, here's the facts since you don't believe what I said:
The note 4 consists of 2 chassis-
-The first chassis is made of an aluminum-magnesium allow called magnalium(which also includes small traces of tin/copper/ nickel) and is used to mount the processors and other heat conducting hardware.
-The second chassis consists of plastic and has an aluminum band around the perimeter(the one you see from the exterior). This plastic chassis is mostly used as a scaffolding to hold any extra hardware/accessories(Spen) that do not conduct heat.
The magnalium gives it strength.
The plastic keeps it light.
The aluminum gives it looks.
I can't ask for a better combination.
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I do agree it should hold up nice but if there is aluminum there it's just a thin foil sticker over the plastic frame. I assume you don't have one to see for your self. If you do, just look in the ports and you'll see the white plastic.

mcaleer1 said:
I do agree it should hold up nice but if there is aluminum there it's just a thin foil sticker over the plastic frame. I assume you don't have one to see for your self. If you do, just look in the ports and you'll see the white plastic.
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Lord I really wanted to come here and flame you as a hater... but I actually did look at the phone and your sorta right. The metal band on the outside is really thin (at least at the ports). BUT I don't care much and I don't think it is a screw up on the part of Samsung, I think it is a over statement on the part of the reviewers.
There is a metal structure inside the phone. It is significant compared to prior all plastic phones. It provides strength and rigidity as pointed out by the other poster. The aluminum band on the outside is clearly only decorative. However, I don't recall Samsung saying anywhere that the band on the outside was the only metal on the phone? Kinda reminds me of the wood panels on old station wagons.
I like the look, and its a very solid feeling device. So no matter how you break it down, its not an all plastic phone, and it is made of metal... including metal highlights on the finish.
No drama here.

boufa said:
Lord I really wanted to come here and flame you as a hater... but I actually did look at the phone and your sorta right. The metal band on the outside is really thin (at least at the ports). BUT I don't care much and I don't think it is a screw up on the part of Samsung, I think it is a over statement on the part of the reviewers.
There is a metal structure inside the phone. It is significant compared to prior all plastic phones. It provides strength and rigidity as pointed out by the other poster. The aluminum band on the outside is clearly only decorative. However, I don't recall Samsung saying anywhere that the band on the outside was the only metal on the phone? Kinda reminds me of the wood panels on old station wagons.
I like the look, and its a very solid feeling device. So no matter how you break it down, its not an all plastic phone, and it is made of metal... including metal highlights on the finish.
No drama here.
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I don't doubt the chassis inside the phone is metal and as far as durability goes it definitely won't bend easily, but I just wish they would give up the simulation of materials. I mean they went as far as to simulate the breaks in the metal band like an iPhone. Other than that it is one beast of a phone that I will be able to live with just fine. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one to notice it.

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I don't doubt the chassis inside the phone is metal and as far as durability goes it definitely won't bend easily, but I just wish they would give up the simulation of materials. I mean they went as far as to simulate the breaks in the metal band like an iPhone. Other than that it is one beast of a phone that I will be able to live with just fine. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one to notice it.
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I have read that the gaps in the metal are not a copy of the iPhone, they are there so that the metal band doesn't interfere with the radio signals.... Sounded fishy to me, but I am skilled at little and and expert of none, so who am I to judge.

looks like its cast, and clad in.. whatever the shiny material is..
metal, plastic, rubber, whatever.. I never did see the big deal over "omg its a plastic bezel" vs "omg its a metal bezel"

The phone is forged from the tears of a thousand kittens and merged with unobtanium.

This thread implies the world is full of idiots and Samsung's misleading people on a grand scale. Don't you think at least one professional reviewer would have noticed that the promised metal was plastic? Hell, a gap that has to be measured with calipers became front page news.
From the Note 4 announcement press release...
The Galaxy Note 4 introduces a new sleek and stylish Galaxy design language. The device features a premium metal frame with fluid curvature that seamlessly blends with the device display. The Galaxy Note 4’s 2.5D glass screen, inherited from the Galaxy S3, offers extra protection while perfectly complementing the device’s rich viewing experience. A soft-textured back cover provides incredible comfort that makes it easy to control with one hand. The device not only looks beautiful, but offers a superior grip and enhanced durability.​​
Time to take off the tin foil hats.

You guys are hilarious. Plastic is a better material than metal, it's more durable. If it makes my phone better who cares, at least it won't bend in my pocket.

BarryH_GEG said:
This thread implies the world is full of idiots and Samsung's misleading people on a grand scale. Don't you think at least one professional reviewer would have noticed that the promised metal was plastic? Hell, a gap that has to be measured with calipers became front page news.
From the Note 4 announcement press release...
The Galaxy Note 4 introduces a new sleek and stylish Galaxy design language. The device features a premium metal frame with fluid curvature that seamlessly blends with the device display. The Galaxy Note 4’s 2.5D glass screen, inherited from the Galaxy S3, offers extra protection while perfectly complementing the device’s rich viewing experience. A soft-textured back cover provides incredible comfort that makes it easy to control with one hand. The device not only looks beautiful, but offers a superior grip and enhanced durability.​​
Time to take off the tin foil hats.
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You mean a massive electronics giant such as Samsung wouldn't have an overpaid marketing division that just might embellish on the truth a bit. I got it guys. We'll just call it a "premium metal frame" brilliant! Like I said, it's a fantastic phone but the outermost bezel is in no way anything more than aluminum foil and paint.

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You mean a massive electronics giant such as Samsung wouldn't have an overpaid marketing division that just might embellish on the truth a bit. .
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Saying it's metal when it's not isn't an embellishment, it's misrepresentation. Saying it's premium is an embellishment.

BarryH_GEG said:
Saying it's metal when it's not isn't an embellishment, it's misrepresentation. Saying it's premium is an embellishment.
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Premium is an opinion word and not verifiable either way.. and yes, it DOES have a metal frame. Have you ever seen the phone?!?!? The metal band around the outside might be what they consider the frame... and its there. The significant metal framework might be the frame they are talking about (and I bet it is) and its definitely there. What is this conversation even about?!?! There is metal in and around the phone. Just like they said. If you want more, then go get yourself the aluminium pop can called the iPhone and be happy, then go bend it in half in your pocket. Personally, this phone is rock solid compared to my Note 2.

You know what... I definitely see what the OP is talking about. The metal sides look to be about as thin as a piece of paper. Not that I really care that much... I'm putting a plastic case on it anyways but it's an interesting observation

Damn!
Sadly enough it's true, and a bit disappointing as well. If you look really closely what appears to be antenna breaks are just where they interrupted the faux machine cut which now just looks to be a metalized paint job to make it look like that. This is specially noticeable around where the S Pen enters the phone. Still love my phone but why does Samsung try to fools us like this and then sell it like it is a premium metal! Should of told everyone it is metalized plastic frame!

boufa said:
Have you ever seen the phone?!?!?
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I own it . Given the choice between chrome-look ripply plastic made to poorly resemble a book edge (Note 3) and a beveled partial metal bezel with not even the slightest of gaps where metal and plastic meet (Note 4) I choose the latter. Option 3, the one people here are looking for, seems to be a 100% polished metal bezel. Unless I missed a meeting that option's not available. Whatever the definition of "premium," the Note 4's a hell of a lot closer than the Samsung phones that preceded it (except the Alpha which uses the same design). I'm a glass half full kind of guy. I celebrate what I have rather than lament what I don't. To each their own.

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I do agree it should hold up nice but if there is aluminum there it's just a thin foil sticker over the plastic frame. I assume you don't have one to see for your self. If you do, just look in the ports and you'll see the white plastic.
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I don't disagree with anything you said, and know exactly what you're talking about because I've seen what you're saying on a display model(mine should be here on monday). But, I believe it looks like that because of a miix of how the the frame is attached to the plastic, and the quality of paint used on the trim and plastic. Have you noticed what appears to be a small patch underneath the paint where the white line of plastic joins the aluminum sections around the band? Each section has a patch from every Note 4 I looked at. I love the note 4, but I've already spotted many quality issues with it. If I wanted a top-notch quality phone, build-wise, I would look at the iPhone, but in the grand scheme of things, the Note 4 is perfect for me regardless of its build quality flaws. Anyways, speaking of thin aluminum...the iPhone 6!

iggibar said:
I don't disagree with anything you said, and know exactly what you're talking about because I've seen what you're saying on a display model(mine should be here on monday). But, I believe it looks like that because of a miix of how the the frame is attached to the plastic, and the quality of paint used on the trim and plastic. Have you noticed what appears to be a small patch underneath the paint where the white line of plastic joins the aluminum sections around the band? Each section has a patch from every Note 4 I looked at. I love the note 4, but I've already spotted many quality issues with it. If I wanted a top-notch quality phone, build-wise, I would look at the iPhone, but in the grand scheme of things, the Note 4 is perfect for me regardless of its build quality flaws. Anyways, speaking of thin aluminum...the iPhone 6!
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Ya I see that raised section between the bars as well. After looking much closer it looks like some sections of the frame may be in fact aluminum. Possibly they used a similar method to mold plastic with aluminum as HTC did with the ONE M7 and then painted over everything to make it look like one piece. I guess we won't know until someone really dissects this thing. In the mean time I'm really enjoying this beast from the fantastic camera to the amazing screen quality.

Anyone else wish LG hadnt used glossy plastic around the trim of the G4?

Yes, I know it doesn't effect the functionally and features. Overall I'm impressed with the G4. It's just that I'm incredibly careful with my phones and very OCD about scratches, yet after only a few days I'm already seeing tiny little micro scratches appearing on that silly glossy strip around the phone. Why couldn't they have made it matte? Or even satin? I had a Lumia 1020 and it held up very well, thanks to its matte finish. The edges of a phone experience the most wear and tear, and with glossy finishes being the least hard-wearing - or at least the finish that shows up scratches the worst - I just wish LG had thought a bit more about this rather than just going down the 'it looks nice when you first buy it so that's all that matters' route.
This isn't a serious criticism of the device, I just wondered if glossy plastic edges like this annoy anyone else? I'm fairly confident that someone is going to say 'aluminium edges are just as bad' or 'my G4 is perfect and I've never had a single LG get a scratch on it', but my personal experience with LGs is that they seem to let themselves down in terms of material choices sometimes. The brittle plastic on the G3 - which would often crack along the IR port or rear mic over time, is a case in point. The laser autofocus on my G3 also got small hairline scuffs on it. My Nexus 4 soft touch coating rubbed off completely in certain areas along the edge. I always keep my phones in their own pocket and I'm very careful where I put them.
Just wondered if it bothers anyone else. It's a phone at the end of the day, not a baby...but I do like to keep things nice and it annoys me when my new devices start to develop wear really quickly!!

Yeah I think it's a bummer. So I left my protective film pieces on the phone and just cut off the little pull tab on each sticker. That should prolong the inevitable.

boynamedstacy said:
Yeah I think it's a bummer. So I left my protective film pieces on the phone and just cut off the little pull tab on each sticker. That should prolong the inevitable.
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Haha thats what I did. I'll take them off once I get my case
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I'm running a case on it now, but the bezel kept me from getting the tan leather

I just clipped the ends of the factory protective film as well. I was originally planning on removing the film altogether, but since I'm waiting on OEM plastic backs to show up en masse on eBay at a reasonable price so I can buy one and use my case, we'll see how long the film lasts instead. A matte or brushed finish would have been much better regardless of whether the trim ring was plastic or metal.

It's definitely not as attractive a design as the g3 IMHO
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Ceramic vs Glass drop test

Take it with a grain of salt, but I'll admit I thought ceramic was more brittle than that.

Ceramic pottery and such, but they make things like body armor from ceramic as well.

The Root said:
Ceramic pottery and such, but they make things like body armor from ceramic as well.
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They're designed to shatter and isolate projectiles in the process, still I didn't expect the back glass to be less durable than ceramic in that case, it must be either very well implemented or just luck.

Now all we need is transparent ceramic!

The Root said:
Ceramic pottery and such, but they make things like body armor from ceramic as well.
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Corv0 said:
They're designed to shatter and isolate projectiles in the process, still I didn't expect the back glass to be less durable than ceramic in that case, it must be either very well implemented or just luck.
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Exactly as @Corv0 said, ceramic used in a vest is pretty much a one shot deal, regardless of caliber. I used to wear level 3 when I was enlisted and even though it was rated up to a 7.62 NATO round, a 9mm would still crack it and in result would not be effective at a level 3 rating anymore, nor provide much protection at all.
But back to the topic at hand, I need to find a teardown video to see how the thickness compares to the glass. Maybe it's thinner? I'm trying to think of the physics behind it along with the material properties. For instance, gorilla glass can survive longer than standard glass because of its flexibility, among other things. I don't see ceramic having that property unless it is thinner. But thinner also makes me think that it would definitely break at the 5+ foot drop level... I could just be over analyzing it and it could have just been dumb luck or how she dropped the phone since it's near impossible to be scientifically consistent.

Samsung G20 S is an amazing phone and more delicate than eggs

I decided to switch carriers and try a new smart phone and went with Tmobile and a Galaxy 20S. I was surprised on how slim and light the phone is upon picking it up. The retail store did not have any cases I liked so I ordered a case off Amazon and decided to not take my phone out of the house until I had a case for it. Well......
I had my phone for about 4 days using it in the house. My phone was sitting on the arm rest of my couch and slid off , dropped and landed on the laminate floor. A fall of less than 20". The rear glass cover is cracked on opposite corner edges.
My phone and camera work fine but I am simply amazed at how fragile the 20S is or maybe its just my 20S. I have no idea if its a factory defect and I have never seen anything like it. Its really more fragile than an egg. If the phone is this delicate it should come WITH some type of case or more durable gorilla glass. I am 57 years old and owned several brands of smart phones ( coming from an LG V30) and I have never dropped or broken a phone before in my life. Be aware my cracked 20S could be a fluke or a sign of a bigger issue. Now I need to find a place to replace mt rear cover.
The Galaxy 20 S needs a GOOD case so be advised if you have one be darn careful with it. The quality of the phone ( use) is excellent , its the durability issue that makes me concerned. If a laminate floor cracked the rear glass a drop on concrete will likely kill the phone. Pretty sad for a device that costs a grand or more.

Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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vash_h said:
Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................

Rear screen and replacement from a Samsung authorized repair center is $109.17 / FYI

cal50 said:
It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................
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Just got to be careful of where you put and how you handle it.
I haven't dropped or broken a phone or misplaced one in 12 years.
Mainly because i see the item as $$$ and to get $$$ took me months of hard work.

It's WAY more break prone than other phones.
Watch and wait . Great phone for function and features, build durability is iffy at best,IMHO.

If you spend over a thousand dollars for a phone in this day and age a good case is mandatory. Otherwise you are just playing Russian Roulette and sooner or later it's gonna fall on the floor. I love the OtterBox cases. I had the commuter for many years for the S7 edge and Note 8. When I got the Ultra 512 gb I want with the Defender Pro and glad I did. First day I got the phone it was knocked off the kitchen table at work and landed on a concrete floor. Not even a scratch. So you can either wait for your beautiful caseless phone to shatter when you have an oooops moment or you can invest in a top quality case.

Everyone, well most of us, have heard the expression you cannot have your cake and eat it too!
This applies well to our beloved smart phones.
You can have something durable in its creaky, plasticky, feels like a piece of s4!+ design and all (Blackberry anyone?) that can be kicked, tossed, dropped, etc. Doesn't need a case at all.
Or the latest designs that are thin, glass on front and back with metal trim that feel like quality in hand with no squeaks or twists when handled. But if you drop them without a case you will regret it! Even if the glass doesn't chip or break there will be nicks/scratches in the bezel/frame that gets the best of the OCD types.
So now we have cases that are essentially mandatory to everyone that has to carry their devices around. The best cases combine looks/feel while offering adequate protection and then some are purely based on protective qualities alone that make our phones feel like bricks!
I do like thin cases like Pitaka but also will use something with a bit more protection if I'm running around outdoors or up in the air (tower/ladder/tree) etc. I used to use a rigid holster that would fit a specific case but gave up on those due to having to buy so many. And they didn't actually protect the screen as well as you'd think. I use a pouch now with a clip for belt and has a loop that my Grip6 belt can pass through making it utterly impossible to lose the pouch with phone safely inside.
The only thing I haven't figured out is how to make a case puppy teeth proof!

Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.

cal50 said:
Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.
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The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.

Damage the front glass, display or camera module and a $109 rear cover will be a bargain.

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The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.
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If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.

chetly968 said:
If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.
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The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.

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The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.
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Ah so it's not flush

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Ah so it's not flush
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Its flush, but for example if i wet the surface with a cloth then place my phone down. The case is wet, the camera lens is dry.