Hi everyone, these may be of help to you. I'm not a dev so all I was doing here was using a rooted Sirocco to pull OTA files off the phone (data/ota_package). Using logcat/android bug report doesn't catch OTA URL on this device. It's my understanding they will need to be unpacked.
Files are in order of download/installation from A1N-310B-0-00WW-B03-OST604 onwards. That full firmware can be obtained here thanks to Hikari (Under Sirocco) https://hikaricalyx.com/fih-android-firmware/
The boot image for the firmware above can be found in the zip. It's already unpacked (A1N-0-310B-00WW-boot.img).
OTA 1 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/EeQeHyR.png)
https://mega.nz/#!SA1U3SzR!WAUtzV5AH2g6jYUYqhrUfMNh_tOe7ziNhNwZ8eZBxew
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!2J8wBaBR!PbYVY4Ysr4l9idxReLrJe6wWu83KRy5tO29j0H2b3Ew
OTA 2 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/AOvs4Ps.png)
https://mega.nz/#!mB0EgCRa!oEKAxCl5iGnR3rHC91te0mgU3JgW3AXAO991kR4nj9g
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!iU1WlKxT!mz1VrSGS987BbiPj1nvyUQzb4GEBw3686onS6ymctJI
OTA 3 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/nEpvMq2.png)
https://mega.nz/#!rNNAhASA!5_CdYQIym6iqc5ycN6wMqG0XvzrsCf70I3VQsy8bjFg
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!SJt0WSxK!UkG4DbsDmUwIzExcmG1qo2xqhRk4lJlylhWHfMFJxfM
OTA 4 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/QH6Dnox.png)
https://mega.nz/#!HF8WlKDS!OpfBdAEUJSe_vzTebdCGg_DN_8Kzj5UZVG29x8aG6Q8
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!7Usw1aKS!jEoZDlj5mtu5tqVpVG7XFaHLdDleiq3M6GBfy7_IUzc
OTA 5 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/bDSCAqX.png)
https://mega.nz/#!XUlWFKiC!_trT2aVmGQVhD-lzeZjWEn2LlmRZ4d6CMrKuAB41kkw
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!KVl2WKqT!AcDI4YSOSo6vBe4Jb3FrOBsKGzO-KM5a8gowgNQXHog
OTA 6 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/ColEcRJ.png)
https://mega.nz/#!DE8QxSDQ!G1xRrjN9do28trYeQT-E9jAYmP7dszuXMKZ8kpmhcMI
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!XB9EnY4A!UxLAX0hBabbKy09pGQz_BLQW9Hy5Lz0K4y15uVJcY7o
OTA 7 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/Tll0QuI.png)
https://mega.nz/#!zUsAzKLZ!TngURPA1pDUFjrmsrWvVglLmkE3GGGE4qX53-Vp38iU
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!jck0iAjI!nEd890ZxQS1OaXX4ELNtdsIsa3TJZxddC1D7faPOB9U
OTA 8 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/HsZLwV4.png)
https://mega.nz/#!3dtEXQwY!CY6J3auoDeMelGSDmQiAJgOBHw3eH-sxrA3x51gXQ-U
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!SQsUUYSD!iBwTMYd4OEDJJ7Me-zb2SnfPghc2me_ZEYR6SrdOkgU
OTA 9 (Changelog - https://i.imgur.com/eLVqDrM.png)
https://mega.nz/#!CEc1GQ7L!EiZYCubGDf5C97NNQDLZxmjcEaw555FbxHKvMNveZDw
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!mNFzVCbD!RNTJI1_oPiHSapyykE0szjosBo_QnIoJiGZ0EQtmzqY
OTA 10 - Pie (Changelog - https://us.v-cdn.net/6031042/uploads/editor/je/y2ok3dg0norb.png)
https://mega.nz/#!fYUAgQJY!p6kO-B-IFwz0NhDv4ZlrDCQYKQGakH3fy9GbfG_kmDM
Boot image - https://mega.nz/#!qANy1a7b!ODh8ol97h8qJwZGndUCHqyG3qifnsfT7ILkggDaVoFA
Magisk patched boot - https://mega.nz/#!HYVimArR!m7BHM2iYVZVstTFx0W-zB01cSN-bb4lquKiYUmXoIm4
edit: TWRP removed, buggy
OTA 3 zip was corrupt, it has been replaced.
Also for helping out anyone who gets their Sirocco unlocked, this is a pre-rooted boot image for A1N-310B-0-00WW-B03-OST604
You can use this to do fastboot boot patched_boot.img and then use Magisk to root your device.
https://mega.nz/#!6dMgjCjL!KRkB39ppPp4RA0Wj57yjIjiXaE6B21f-B488yQFc61s
You can, of course, do the above yourself if you have a second phone that is rooted and go into Magisk and patch one of the stock file boot images above.
Now you can do OTAs and keep root
STEPS_TO_UPDATE:
1. Go into Magisk Manager -> Uninstall -> Restore Images
2. Apply Update, DO NOT REBOOT YET
3. When step to finished and it promts you to reboot go into Magisk Manager -> Install -> Install to inactive Slot
Congratulations you can now reboot and will have an updated Android while keeping full root.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-8/how-to/guide-how-to-root-nokia-8-ability-to-t3848390
If anyone is already on the November security update with this device and wants to root without downgrading, here is a magisk patched boot image
https://mega.nz/#!HBcHzYCB!KpqytpNth0Vfu3K9eX0vbP7heJ3MFPm6MX4ozC5L_qk
December security update added as OTA 9.
No Pie yet
Audioboxer said:
December security update added as OTA 9.
No Pie yet
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Its a shame.
December patched boot for anyone who's had this phone unlocked and has done OTAs up to December without rooting
https://mega.nz/#!6R8RCIoB!ZPR7s-w4LWDXO1UcI7GBuhf7U0U3fujHLQIc6qlqx2g
As always, fastboot boot this image to root your phone with Magisk direct install. Do not flash my boot images, otherwise, you won't be able to do the OTA trick above with Magisk.
Removed: Oreo homebrew packages by Hikari are buggy, avoid.
So i found this...
https://mega.nz/#F!W50gzawY!nC8Yb9yE6n08gGafFi700A
The A1N-4120 is a Pie build. A guy i met on twitter installed it and said it is a decent build without bugs. I'm a bit hesitant to install it. I'm afraid that if i install it and the offical update comes out i can't update via OTA. Is there a way to revert back to 8.1?
The guy's phone isn't rooted or unlocked.
Still, he says it's the official build from HMD. They are holding it back... If that's true it's kinda sad...
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So i found this...
https://mega.nz/#F!W50gzawY!nC8Yb9yE6n08gGafFi700A
The A1N-4120 is a Pie build. A guy i met on twitter installed it and said it is a decent build without bugs. I'm a bit hesitant to install it. I'm afraid that if i install it and the offical update comes out i can't update via OTA. Is there a way to revert back to 8.1?
The guy's phone isn't rooted or unlocked.
Still, he says it's the official build from HMD. They are holding it back... If that's true it's kinda sad...
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It's the internal OTA and he wasn't sensible installing it without BL unlock
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...ide-how-to-install-android-pie-build-t3885834
These internal builds don't pass safetynet so Google Pay will not work. It is also unknown how to get back onto retail OTAs without an unlocked bootloader. When HMD did the Nokia 8 beta test they had an official rollback method.
I'd strongly advise staying away from this if you haven't unlocked the BL. The build wasn't all that good either, missing adaptive battery, pro camera, Pie themeing and more. From above two new OTAs exist since the December pie build. I'll try them and see if anything has been added.
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It's the internal OTA and he wasn't sensible installing it without BL unlock
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...ide-how-to-install-android-pie-build-t3885834
These internal builds don't pass safetynet so Google Pay will not work. It is also unknown how to get back onto retail OTAs without an unlocked bootloader. When HMD did the Nokia 8 beta test they had an official rollback method.
I'd strongly advise staying away from this if you haven't unlocked the BL. The build wasn't all that good either, missing adaptive battery, pro camera, Pie themeing and more. From above two new OTAs exist since the December pie build. I'll try them and see if anything has been added.
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Thanx for the reply! Gonna stay away from it then... Usually i try everything, but since the BL is still officially locked there aren't that many people out there that can help when things go wrong. Especially with this being my daily phone, i don't want to mess it up.
marccoppers said:
Thanx for the reply! Gonna stay away from it then... Usually i try everything, but since the BL is still officially locked there aren't that many people out there that can help when things go wrong. Especially with this being my daily phone, i don't want to mess it up.
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Yeah, it's not worth it, Pie should drop this month.
With the Nokia 8, HMD advised if you stayed on the beta you'd get 1 OTA and that would be it. You basically had to rollback.
In order for us to flash firmware packages, we need an unlocked bootloader if HMD isn't providing an official rollback method. As it seems we won't get an official beta test for the Sirocco it's a bad idea anyone with a locked bootloader flashing these internal releases.
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Yeah, it's not worth it, Pie should drop this month.
With the Nokia 8, HMD advised if you stayed on the beta you'd get 1 OTA and that would be it. You basically had to rollback.
In order for us to flash firmware packages, we need an unlocked bootloader if HMD isn't providing an official rollback method. As it seems we won't get an official beta test for the Sirocco it's a bad idea anyone with a locked bootloader flashing these internal releases.
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That was my guess to. Thanx for the info.
You are wrong. And I am the guy he met on twitter. And btw he is referring to Nokia 8 Sirocco and sorry but could you explain how you termed as insensible. I downloaded the internal OTA and then rebooted the phone in safe mode and the update automatically installed. For your information
1. Adaptive battery is there
2. Wellbeing is there
3. Pro camera is there.
So stop being judgemental. Nokia 8 and Nokia 8 Sirocco and two different handsets. Nokia 8 is what you mentioned above . So next time mind Ur tongue while u talk
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You are wrong. And I am the guy he met on twitter. And btw he is referring to Nokia 8 Sirocco and sorry but could you explain how you termed as insensible. I downloaded the internal OTA and then rebooted the phone in safe mode and the update automatically installed. For your information
1. Adaptive battery is there
2. Wellbeing is there
3. Pro camera is there.
So stop being judgemental. Nokia 8 and Nokia 8 Sirocco and two different handsets. Nokia 8 is what you mentioned above . So next time mind Ur tongue while u talk
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My advice was just following what Nokia devs like Calyx Hikari state. If you do not have an unlocked bootloader its best not to install internal OTAs because there is no way to revert to retail FW. The Nokia 8 had an official beta test so there was a way to rollback off of the beta Pie firmware to Oreo again, to then install the final Pie OTA.
Otherwise you need an unlocked bootloader to flash an Oreo/Pie retail package with LA OST.
I don't mean to offend anyone, I just don't want anyone installing these leaked OTAs on their bootloader locked device and being stuck.
Currently, there's no way to roll back to Android 8.1 for Nokia 8 Sirocco by yourself, so use these packages at your own risk.
It will be better if you're using prototype device or a retail device with unlocked bootloader.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...stall-android-pie-build-t3885834/post78591840
Nokia 8 Sirocco doesn't need any bootloader to be unlocked.
Nokia 8 Sirocco doesn't need bootloader to be unlocked. Like I got it and others who installed got it without doing the same. You just have to downloaded the A1N 4200 file and reboot the phone to safe mode and the phone automatically detects the update. So I assume that's pretty much official and valid .
Don't know why people end up spreading rumours without knowing the real picture. Just because one device works in a specfic way doesn't mean every device functions the same way.
Plus Nokia 8 Sirrocco gets all the features a full fledged android one device gets including the below
1. Adaptive Battery
2. Gestures
3. Digital Wellbeing
I myself wanted to write a review and a video but never written one for mobile devices, I have done for vehicles.
And most importantly Nokia 8 and Nokia 8 Sirocco are different mobiles . The only common point is The processor.
Pie OTA Rom
Now that the official PIE OTA has been released can anyone capture it and post a link to the file? It can take weeks to reach people over the air sometimes!
Thanks
Let's say they will be captured, can i install them with a locked bootloader?
marccoppers said:
Let's say they will be captured, can i install them with a locked bootloader?
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I did on the Nokia 8 and the Nokia 7 plus by downloading to the device, renaming the file and using the phone keypad ( *#*#874#*#*) so I assume it will be the same on the Sirocco?
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Let's say they will be captured, can i install them with a locked bootloader?
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Sideloading the OTA via ADB can be done on a locked bootloader. The method by EGGMEN should work as well. :good:
Question related to "After updating, you will not be able to downgrade..." message
Hope you guys are safe and well.
Currently my A50 on August update. I have no problems with this update but I like to update to Android 10 for additional features. I'm reluctant to update because of this message. I'm afraid that if I had problems or something wrong with the new update, I won't be able to go downgrade to August update.
So, Is it really impossible to downgrade using Odin with an official firmware?
I'm coming from iOS and hence the fear of updating. As you may know, iOS downgrade is impossible when Apple sign-out the old software.
Thanks in advance.
Most major OS updates (i.e. from Android 9 to 10) also update the 'bootloader', which is a little piece of software that initializes your device, and runs before the system can even start (when you turn your phone on).
Once the bootloader is updated, it's often impossible and certainly not recommended to downgrade the OS, since you may permanently brick your device.
If Android 10 is out for your device model (eg. A505G in my case), just go ahead and update. I don't have any issues with it whatsoever, in fact it has fixed quite a few bugs (wifi connection would frequently drop for me in Pie with February/March updates, and now it doesn't anymore).
Greetings.
pripyaat said:
Most major OS updates (i.e. from Android 9 to 10) also update the 'bootloader', which is a little piece of software that initializes your device, and runs before the system can even start (when you turn your phone on).
Once the bootloader is updated, it's often impossible and certainly not recommended to downgrade the OS, since you may permanently brick your device.
If Android 10 is out for your device model (eg. A505G in my case), just go ahead and update. I don't have any issues with it whatsoever, in fact it has fixed quite a few bugs (wifi connection would frequently drop for me in Pie with February/March updates, and now it doesn't anymore).
Greetings.
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But can't I backup the boot loader too? Also, I heard that the official firmware includes the boot loader and therefore I won't have problems downgrading. I'm confused.
Screen not responding after update
Hi. I updated to the new Android 10 which my phone prompt me to install. But after updating, my screen is not responding anymore. I already tried to restart and factory reset. What can i do regarding this? Thank you very much!
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Hi. I updated to the new Android 10 which my phone prompt me to install. But after updating, my screen is not responding anymore. I already tried to restart and factory reset. What can i do regarding this? Thank you very much!
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Try to flash the ROM manually using ODIN
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Try to flash the ROM manually using ODIN
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I'm sorry but I'm new to all of this and I seem to read some comments saying the phone was bricked after flashing.
And if I will try flashing, do I use the old firmware or the new one?
Thank you so much!
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But can't I backup the boot loader too? Also, I heard that the official firmware includes the boot loader and therefore I won't have problems downgrading. I'm confused.
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I think... and I could be completely wrong, but it keeps track of the highest version of bootloader you installed. So it will not allow you to boot if you flash the older one. However, I am not sure how it behaves if the bootloader is unlocked.
If anyone have the same concerns I had. I found out that only security updates seems to have this message and risk bricking your phone in case you downgrade to lower version. Some people confirms that they were able to downgrade without any problems from android 10 to android 9 on their A50.
It also made sense that there are no problems since the warning message only included with security updates. The android 10 Update change list have no warnings related to downgrading to older versions.
March security update had the warning message. And I had to do the security upgrade before the android 10 update was available OTA.
Hi guys,
The question is in the title.
Now, I know it's probably not recommended to downgrade without unlocking the bootloader. But this is not about what's recommended. It's about what's possible.
Also, I've got a weird theory, but it's only a theory. I feel like it should be possible to downgrade if the security patch of the ROM you're coming from is lower or equal to the one of the ROM you're about to flash. In other words, as long as you're not downgrading your security patch. I've experimented with this with my old Moto One Action, and, while this was a long time ago, I remember this to be the case. But maybe my memory is not as good as it used to be, so I could be wrong. So don't take this as fact, but rather an open discussion.
Anyway, I'm curious if anybody tried to downgrade stock ROM from Android 12 to Android 11 and succeeded, without unlocking the bootloader.
I'm guessing you should erase userdata, since I don't think you can boot into the OS with Android 12 data on Android 11.
Also, I'm curious if anybody noticed a relevance for my theory above. Does it have anything to do with the security patch? Can anyone confirm this working?
Looking forward to your answers.
i think its possible if you can find Android 11 rom in anotjer websites or you can try to find a device that is not upgraded and then took rom backup from that and then use it in your device but i think you need to unlock bootloader in all cases
godslayer.04 said:
i think its possible if you can find Android 11 rom in anotjer websites or you can try to find a device that is not upgraded and then took rom backup from that and then use it in your device but i think you need to unlock bootloader in all cases
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The ROM is not a problem. I already have a backup from before the update. Also, there are third party mirror sites for that. So that's not a problem.
The only thing I was curious about is whether or not it would be (theoretically) possible to downgrade an Android version (in this case, let's say it's 12 down to 11) without unlocking the bootloader.
I guess the answer is no then...
If I had another Moto G60, I'd try this myself. But I only have one... So I can't really test.
I was hoping someone already tried before. Or at least knows the theory around it.
Thank you very much for your reply!
arsradu said:
The ROM is not a problem. I already have a backup from before the update. Also, there are third party mirror sites for that. So that's not a problem.
The only thing I was curious about is whether or not it would be (theoretically) possible to downgrade an Android version (in this case, let's say it's 12 down to 11) without unlocking the bootloader.
I guess the answer is no then...
If I had another Moto G60, I'd try this myself. But I only have one... So I can't really test.
I was hoping someone already tried before. Or at least knows the theory around it.
Thank you very much for your re
arsradu said:
The ROM is not a problem. I already have a backup from before the update. Also, there are third party mirror sites for that. So that's not a problem.
The only thing I was curious about is whether or not it would be (theoretically) possible to downgrade an Android version (in this case, let's say it's 12 down to 11) without unlocking the bootloader.
I guess the answer is no then...
If I had another Moto G60, I'd try this myself. But I only have one... So I can't really test.
I was hoping someone already tried before. Or at least knows the theory around it.
Thank you very much for your reply!
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you can try one more thing you can go to service center and then ask them to do so once i got downgrade my realme narzo 20 from android 11 to 10 and they did so and my bootloader is locked already
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Yeah... Thing is, you can unlock and relock the bootloader. Also, is it the same phone (same IMEI) with the one you sent for repair? Cause they sometimes just replace the phone entirely.
If they really downgraded your OS, it would be interesting to know how they did it. Simple reflash of the OS? Or unlocked bootloader, flashed and then relocked? Cause that will work for sure. )
Now, there's also another thing. That was a Realme, this is a Motorola. Different manufacturers might have different ways/tools to achieve the same thing.
But the idea remains, of course. It should be possible to downgrade the OS, if you bring your phone to a repair center. However, what I'm trying to understand here is if you can do it yourself, at home, with a simple data cable and the OS itself, ooor...if you need special tools for that.
Also the question is hypothetical. I don't plan on actually bringing the phone to a repair service for downgrade. I just wanna know if it's possible, so I can eventually do it myself at home. Sending the phone for repair to a repair center usually takes time. So...if it's not a hardware issue, I'm trying to fix it at home.
arsradu said:
Yeah... Thing is, you can unlock and relock the bootloader. Also, is it the same phone (same IMEI) with the one you sent for repair? Cause they sometimes just replace the phone entirely.
If they really downgraded your OS, it would be interesting to know how they did it. Simple reflash of the OS? Or unlocked bootloader, flashed and then relocked? Cause that will work for sure. )
Now, there's also another thing. That was a Realme, this is a Motorola. Different manufacturers might have different ways/tools to achieve the same thing.
But the idea remains, of course. It should be possible to downgrade the OS, if you bring your phone to a repair center. However, what I'm trying to understand here is if you can do it yourself, at home, with a simple data cable and the OS itself, ooor...if you need special tools for that.
Also the question is hypothetical. I don't plan on actually bringing the phone to a repair service for downgrade. I just wanna know if it's possible, so I can eventually do it myself at home. Sending the phone for repair to a repair center usually takes time. So...if it's not a hardware issue, I'm trying to fix it at home.
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Dude, I relocked my bootloader and guess what, now I cannot do anything.
Booting into the OS is not working as it says no OS found
Flashing images does not work since the bootloader is locked.
ankurpandeyvns said:
Dude, I relocked my bootloader and guess what, now I cannot do anything.
Booting into the OS is not working as it says no OS found
Flashing images does not work since the bootloader is locked.
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Do you also happen to have an answer to the question in this topic?
ankurpandeyvns said:
Dude, I relocked my bootloader and guess what, now I cannot do anything.
Booting into the OS is not working as it says no OS found
Flashing images does not work since the bootloader is locked.
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SAME issue with mine - we have all talked about this in the other posts. Unlocking bootloader on Moto phones seem to be risky. ONCE UNLOCKED, I SUGGEST PEOPLE DO NOT RE-LOCK THE BOOTLOADER AGAIN ON ANY ANDROID PHONE FOR THAT MATTER !!
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Do you also happen to have an answer to the question in this topic?
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I have searched everywhere on the net and there's no solution to rollback an android 12 to 11 (i.e. without unlocking OEM)
Just curious - my G60 is on android 11 right now and I'm really hesitating in updating it to 12.
Why are you and other people talking about a rollback? Is the performance/bugs on 12 that bad?!!
KayaNN said:
I have searched everywhere on the net and there's no solution to rollback an android 12 to 11 (i.e. without unlocking OEM)
Just curious - my G60 is on android 11 right now and I'm really hesitating in updating it to 12.
Why are you and other people talking about a rollback? Is the performance/bugs on 12 that bad?!!
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No it's not. But Android 12 comes with a few design choices not many people would like. So...I would suggest searching online for a review of the Android 12 update (there are plenty of them on YouTube for example) and see you're ok with those changes.
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No it's not. But Android 12 comes with a few design choices not many people would like. So...I would suggest searching online for a review of the Android 12 update (there are plenty of them on YouTube for example) and see you're ok with those changes.
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I did check them out and the negative reviews were aplenty. I wanted a few reviews from the XDA community on Motog60 having Android12.
Which design choice did you find cumbersome/unwieldy?
KayaNN said:
I did check them out and the negative reviews were aplenty. I wanted a few reviews from the XDA community on Motog60 having Android12.
Which design choice did you find cumbersome/unwieldy?
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For example the quicksettings toggles. They are bigger in Android 12, they take more space, and in terms of connectivity toggle, Google combined Mobile Data and WiFi, which...I personally would have preferred them to be separated (like in Android 11 and previous ones), but...it is what it is. It's not that bad.
Also, something else you might like or dislike, is the new Material You design. Which takes colors from your wallpaper. In my opinion, it doesn't work very well. I mean, it tends to give you very little contrast between the icons and backgrounds. It's not that bad, you can customise it...to a certain extent, but...it's a design choice I wish Google would have thought more about. It looks like something that still needed more time to mature. It looks a bit rushed and unpolished. But you can get it to look decent.
And one more thing, and I have no idea why they did that, they removed the ability to customise fonts and icon shapes.
Motorola still kept them in their version of Android 12, but it's been removed by Google from AOSP.
If you watched those reviews and you're ok with those changes, just go for it.
arsradu said:
For example the quicksettings toggles. They are bigger in Android 12, they take more space, and in terms of connectivity toggle, Google combined Mobile Data and WiFi, which...I personally would have preferred them to be separated (like in Android 11 and previous ones), but...it is what it is. It's not that bad.
Also, something else you might like or dislike, is the new Material You design. Which takes colors from your wallpaper. In my opinion, it doesn't work very well. I mean, it tends to give you very little contrast between the icons and backgrounds. It's not that bad, you can customise it...to a certain extent, but...it's a design choice I wish Google would have thought more about. It looks like something that still needed more time to mature. It looks a bit rushed and unpolished. But you can get it to look decent.
And one more thing, and I have no idea why they did that, they removed the ability to customise fonts and icon shapes.
Motorola still kept them in their version of Android 12, but it's been removed by Google from AOSP.
If you watched those reviews and you're ok with those changes, just go for it.
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Thanks for elaborating dude It makes sense now - I thought those very same customizable features were a bomb. Now after understanding your point to view, I'd rather stay in 11
Cheers!
And also, good luck in rolling back to 11 without unlocking the bootloader. Keep us updated when you do find a way to do so!
arsradu said:
Hi guys,
The question is in the title.
Now, I know it's probably not recommended to downgrade without unlocking the bootloader. But this is not about what's recommended. It's about what's possible.
Also, I've got a weird theory, but it's only a theory. I feel like it should be possible to downgrade if the security patch of the ROM you're coming from is lower or equal to the one of the ROM you're about to flash. In other words, as long as you're not downgrading your security patch. I've experimented with this with my old Moto One Action, and, while this was a long time ago, I remember this to be the case. But maybe my memory is not as good as it used to be, so I could be wrong. So don't take this as fact, but rather an open discussion.
Anyway, I'm curious if anybody tried to downgrade stock ROM from Android 12 to Android 11 and succeeded, without unlocking the bootloader.
I'm guessing you should erase userdata, since I don't think you can boot into the OS with Android 12 data on Android 11.
Also, I'm curious if anybody noticed a relevance for my theory above. Does it have anything to do with the security patch? Can anyone confirm this working?
Looking forward to your answers.
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Hi,
I have a Moto One action XT2013-2 RETIN running on Android 11 July 2022 security update. I want to downgrade it to Android 10. After 11, the HDR function of the camera and NFC stopped working. Can I safely downgrade it to Android 10 without unlocking the bootloader ?.
Do you still have the One Action with you? If so, I kindly request you to confirm whether it is safe to do so with One Action.
Also one more question, can i fix the NFC and camera HDR issue without downgrading to Android 10 ?. I had a look into the dtbo file, opened in Notepad and found out some chip level instructions and found something regarding camera HDR and NFC. Is there a safe way to modify the file to get back HDR and NFC
working?
zankdroid said:
Hi,
I have a Moto One action XT2013-2 RETIN running on Android 11 July 2022 security update. I want to downgrade it to Android 10. After 11, the HDR function of the camera and NFC stopped working. Can I safely downgrade it to Android 10 without unlocking the bootloader ?.
Do you still have the One Action with you? If so, I kindly request you to confirm whether it is safe to do so with One Action.
Also one more question, can i fix the NFC and camera HDR issue without downgrading to Android 10 ?. I had a look into the dtbo file, opened in Notepad and found out some chip level instructions and found something regarding camera HDR and NFC. Is there a safe way to modify the file to get back HDR and NFC
working?
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No, I don't think you can downgrade to Android 10 without unlocking the bootloader. I'm trying to confirm that myself. But so far, no, I don't recommend it. You can try if you want, but most likely, it's not gonna work.
I don't know what the issue with NFC and HDR is, but I would recommend trying to figure that out instead of thinking about downgrading. I don't think the issue is the update to Android 11. I think the issue is somewhere else (possible hardware).
arsradu said:
No, I don't think you can downgrade to Android 10 without unlocking the bootloader. I'm trying to confirm that myself. But so far, no, I don't recommend it. You can try if you want, but most likely, it's not gonna work.
I don't know what the issue with NFC and HDR is, but I would recommend trying to figure that out instead of thinking about downgrading. I don't think the issue is the update to Android 11. I think the issue is somewhere else (possible hardware
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I have seen another guy on Lenovo forums with the same issue. His phone was a RETGB version. He says the Android 11 September 2021 patch caused the HDR issue. The problem is same as mine.
If I try to downgrade to 10 , will it result in a hard brick which even the Rescue software wouldn't be able to save ? like a permanent brick?
I have gone through the dtbo file and searched for NFC and HDR. Found some differences here
Android 9
sec-nfc, ldo_en exynos,block-type exynos
Android 11
sec-nfc,ldo_en sec-nfc,pmic-ldo exynos
I have found some lines in the dtbo file like
HDR Max Luma, Average Luma and Min luma etc which represents the three exposure images that the camera captures to produce an HDR image
Android 10 dtbo also has some differences compared to 11
Is there any way to port the old camera software to Android 11 and also to fix the NFC issue?
Can I replace the Android 11 dtbo file with Android 10 dtbo and then reflash Android 11?
zankdroid said:
I have seen another guy on Lenovo forums with the same issue. His phone was a RETGB version. He says the Android 11 September 2021 patch caused the HDR issue. The problem is same as mine.
If I try to downgrade to 10 , will it result in a hard brick which even the Rescue software wouldn't be able to save ? like a permanent brick?
I have gone through the dtbo file and searched for NFC and HDR. Found some differences here
Android 9
sec-nfc, ldo_en exynos,block-type exynos
Android 11
sec-nfc,ldo_en sec-nfc,pmic-ldo exynos
I have found some lines in the dtbo file like
HDR Max Luma, Average Luma and Min luma etc which represents the three exposure images that the camera captures to produce an HDR image
Android 10 dtbo also has some differences compared to 11
Is there any way to port the old camera software to Android 11 and also to fix the NFC issue?
Can I replace the Android 11 dtbo file with Android 10 dtbo and then reflash Android 11?
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"If I try to downgrade to 10 , will it result in a hard brick which even the Rescue software wouldn't be able to save ? like a permanent brick?"
Never tried, so I don't know. If you do it with an UNLOCKED bootloader, it should be fine. I don't know about locking the bootloader after that.
But what I would recommend, if you want to attempt this, is boot into Android 10 (after flashing), BEFORE locking the bootloader, and make sure the OEM Unlocking option is still ON (meaning bootloader is still unlockable)! Yes, even if the bootloader is currently unlocked. That option is very important.
If it's still ON, THEORETICALLY you should be able to lock the bootloader back. And, even if there would be issues, since the bootloader is still unlockABLE, you should be able to fix them by unlocking the bootloader and flashing whatever it needs to be flashed to fix this. I repet, this is only a THEORY. Attempt this on your own risk!
My Moto Action is on July security patch right now (RETEU). So...I can't confirm anything regarding September security patch.
"Android 10 dtbo also has some differences compared to 11
Is there any way to port the old camera software to Android 11 and also to fix the NFC issue?"
Never tried it. It should be possible. But also, I have a feeling the camera software is actually the same. So, if it's a bug with the camera, it should be present in both. But I don't think the camera is the problem here. I think the actual OS is the problem.
Are you using the correct build for your region? Have you ever flashed something else? This is weird, for a stock ROM.
"Can I replace the Android 11 dtbo file with Android 10 dtbo and then reflash Android 11?"
You can try... I never tried it, so I don't know if it works or not.
HOWEVER, all these things seem like a very complicated way to fix these issues, in my opinion.
IF the problem is hardware (NFC for example, which I still don't know what's wrong with it), you need to fix it on a hardware level. If it's software, you need to submit a bug report to Motorola, so they can fix it in an update.
If the HDR thing is a software issue, and it's been intriduced by an update, you need to let Motorola know about it, submit a bug report (with logs) so they can fix it with a future update!
What I'm trying to say is that downgrading is NOT the way to go!
It's not easy. It will break your warranty (if you have any), because you will likely need to unlock the bootloader, in order to downgrade, and if it's a hardware issue, it will not fix it.
Is your
arsradu said:
"If I try to downgrade to 10 , will it result in a hard brick which even the Rescue software wouldn't be able to save ? like a permanent brick?"
Never tried, so I don't know. If you do it with an UNLOCKED bootloader, it should be fine. I don't know about locking the bootloader after that.
But what I would recommend, if you want to attempt this, is boot into Android 10 (after flashing), BEFORE locking the bootloader, and make sure the OEM Unlocking option is still ON (meaning bootloader is still unlockable)! Yes, even if the bootloader is currently unlocked. That option is very important.
If it's still ON, THEORETICALLY you should be able to lock the bootloader back. And, even if there would be issues, since the bootloader is still unlockABLE, you should be able to fix them by unlocking the bootloader and flashing whatever it needs to be flashed to fix this. I repet, this is only a THEORY. Attempt this on your own risk!
My Moto Action is on July security patch right now (RETEU). So...I can't confirm anything regarding September security patch.
"Android 10 dtbo also has some differences compared to 11
Is there any way to port the old camera software to Android 11 and also to fix the NFC issue?"
Never tried it. It should be possible. But also, I have a feeling the camera software is actually the same. So, if it's a bug with the camera, it should be present in both. But I don't think the camera is the problem here. I think the actual OS is the problem.
Are you using the correct build for your region? Have you ever flashed something else? This is weird, for a stock ROM.
"Can I replace the Android 11 dtbo file with Android 10 dtbo and then reflash Android 11?"
You can try... I never tried it, so I don't know if it works or not.
HOWEVER, all these things seem like a very complicated way to fix these issues, in my opinion.
IF the problem is hardware (NFC for example, which I still don't know what's wrong with it), you need to fix it on a hardware level. If it's software, you need to submit a bug report to Motorola, so they can fix it in an update.
If the HDR thing is a software issue, and it's been intriduced by an update, you need to let Motorola know about it, submit a bug report (with logs) so they can fix it with a future update!
What I'm trying to say is that downgrading is NOT the way to go!
It's not easy. It will break your warranty (if you have any), because you will likely need to unlock the bootloader, in order to downgrade, and if it's a hardware issue, it will not fix it.
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I am from India . When I bought the phone and booted it for the first time, the default language was English United States. NFC and HDR were working fine, Auto HDR very well responded to changing light conditions and produced well optimized HDR images.
Got Android 10 after a few months and even after that everything was fine.
Following one Android 10 security update (can't remember which update), the file manager started crashing.
Then for the first time I tried a Rescue using the official Lenovo rescue Software for a clean software installation. The software detected my phone and downloaded the correct firmware and installed it.
After rescue when the phone booted up to the setup screen, the default language was English India.
The File manager crashing issue was fixed. NFC and HDR continued to work fine. Everything was perfect until I received Android 11. After that NFC stopped working.
Auto HDR is now not detecting ambient light conditions very well and with HDR ON mode it is not optimizing the bright and dark areas of the image.
As I have told earlier, In Lenovo forums I found another guy who is having RETGB version of One Action with the same HDR issue. He didn't mention anything about NFC. I have also contacted Lenovo regarding the issue but of no use.
Is NFC and Camera HDR working well in your phone with RETEU firmware?.
If it's working can I install RETEU firmware in my phone?. I don't know about the carrier frequencies in Europe and India.
I am currently on July 2022 RETIN
RSBS31.Q1-48-36-26 version and I believe July security patch is the last update for the phone.
arsradu said:
Hi guys,
The question is in the title.
Now, I know it's probably not recommended to downgrade without unlocking the bootloader. But this is not about what's recommended. It's about what's possible.
Also, I've got a weird theory, but it's only a theory. I feel like it should be possible to downgrade if the security patch of the ROM you're coming from is lower or equal to the one of the ROM you're about to flash. In other words, as long as you're not downgrading your security patch. I've experimented with this with my old Moto One Action, and, while this was a long time ago, I remember this to be the case. But maybe my memory is not as good as it used to be, so I could be wrong. So don't take this as fact, but rather an open discussion.
Anyway, I'm curious if anybody tried to downgrade stock ROM from Android 12 to Android 11 and succeeded, without unlocking the bootloader.
I'm guessing you should erase userdata, since I don't think you can boot into the OS with Android 12 data on Android 11.
Also, I'm curious if anybody noticed a relevance for my theory above. Does it have anything to do with the security patch? Can anyone confirm this working?
Looking forward to your answers.
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The problem is the firmware. You must check for the right firmware version for that Android release.
Let's say for example: I flash a custom rom A10 based and I take a nandroid backup with TWRP. Then some time later I flash the upgrade for this custom rom to A11 (flashing the correct firmware for this release) and I take a nandroid backup also for this rom upgrade. Now I have 2 nandroid backup, one is old A10 and other is for the new A11. Well, if I try to RESTORE the old A10 based rom, it don't works, because I previously flash the firmware to flash A11 rom.