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So let me get this straight, we have a working TW NFC, but cant use Google wallet because of no Emulator in the current kitkat version? How is it that when i had the LG Flex i could use google wallet without any issues and it was on 4.2 for the longest. I assume that all KITKAT versions had this feature, and only reason why CW is not working because of drivers for our chipsets. So if TW has the drivers already, how is this preventing to be introduce in the CW version of android that has the Emulation built in it? If sprint has it, how is that not ported over as well if they have the same chipset? Please dumb this down, if you can to make it easier for all of us to understand. I try to use softcard, but get denied because im rooted. Bypass?
Xposed and the rootcloak module will get softcard to work.
As I understand it, our NFC chip is not used in any other device right now that does support Google wallet. Because of that, we can't port it from another device, there's nothing to port it from. It's not built in to the main chip like many other functions. It's a separate chip that we don't have open source drivers for. Or really any complete drivers that will work for GW. AOSP ROMs can't get any NFC at all because of driver issues.
The carriers are really pushing Softcard, so even a newer version of Android might not support it on our devices. If that is a big deal for you, you need to buy a device that can do it out of the box. There are no guarantees that we will ever be able to use Google wallet payments. Having used Google wallet and softcard, I don't see the point other than as a novelty. Not enough places support it, and some have problems with it. So it might not work even if the store has the equipment. So I have to keep another payment option available anyway. And there's the need to carry ID..
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Xposed and the rootcloak module will get softcard to work.
As I understand it, our NFC chip is not used in any other device right now that does support Google wallet. Because of that, we can't port it from another device, there's nothing to port it from. It's not built in to the main chip like many other functions. It's a separate chip that we don't have open source drivers for. Or really any complete drivers that will work for GW. AOSP ROMs can't get any NFC at all because of driver issues.
The carriers are really pushing Softcard, so even a newer version of Android might not support it on our devices. If that is a big deal for you, you need to buy a device that can do it out of the box. There are no guarantees that we will ever be able to use Google wallet payments. Having used Google wallet and softcard, I don't see the point other than as a novelty. Not enough places support it, and some have problems with it. So it might not work even if the store has the equipment. So I have to keep another payment option available anyway. And there's the need to carry ID..
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ok thanks, i assume that other notes had the same chip. So the question is why did tmobile request another chip, when the other models are working just fine with another version. Was this requested, or just random chip they wanted to introduce. I cant use softcard because i dont have those cards they use, and i refuse to get them. If it has a standard mastercard or visa, than i would..
We don't know why the other NFC chip was chosen. Only Samsung and T-Mobile know for sure. The engineers could have just found it easier to layout the board with it. Unless an official statement is made, which probably won't happen, we'll never know.
The card is just a placeholder. It's not any different than a paypal account. You put money in from normal Visa or MC. If you don't want to, that's your choice. Just making sure you know what it is. Some people were thinking it was a normal AMEX credit account.
Even though I don't have any real desire to use either app, I find it annoying that users can't choose the one that works best for them. That should never be an issue.
yea that is why I love GW, u can add any CC to it, no need to buy another card to xfer money to it over and over when u need to use it.
I've been out of the game for a while. Saw the GNote 5, and wondered.."Hmmm, guess it's time to root the GNote 2 and look for a ROM" (Because I decided enough is enough with Samsung stickin' the finger to folks taking away uSD support, and they never DID give TMo customers KitKat like they said. So you know what...here's the finger back Samsung).
Rooted my GNote 2...but...what do with it ( it's practically stock, save for Root ).
So...
Q1: What this ROM out there has both WiFi calling and SPen?
Q2: Is it a ROM newer than 4.3?
Anything out there match that criteria, so long as it's 4.4 or later?
I know, I know......noobs and old geezers ( so I'm the latter..sorry ), what can you do?
Any guidance (No, the middle finger is not guidance) would be appreciated.
Q1. Only stock based ROM.
Q2. No, T-Mobile only released up to 4.3.
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I've been out of the game for a while. Saw the GNote 5, and wondered.."Hmmm, guess it's time to root the GNote 2 and look for a ROM" (Because I decided enough is enough with Samsung stickin' the finger to folks taking away uSD support, and they never DID give TMo customers KitKat like they said. So you know what...here's the finger back Samsung).
Rooted my GNote 2...but...what do with it ( it's practically stock, save for Root ).
So...
Q1: What this ROM out there has both WiFi calling and SPen?
Q2: Is it a ROM newer than 4.3?
Anything out there match that criteria, so long as it's 4.4 or later?
I know, I know......noobs and old geezers ( so I'm the latter..sorry ), what can you do?
Any guidance (No, the middle finger is not guidance) would be appreciated.
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While the previous reply is correct about there only being a 4.3 official ROM, there are many 4.4 or 4.4.4 ROMs that still have SPen and WiFi calling. Check out the T-Mobile Note 2 Android Development forum, specifically ROMs that say "TW", which is TouchWiz, Samsung's Android skin that includes SPen and other S-stuff, if you didn't already know. ROMs with "TW" or "TouchWiz" in the name should have what you want. One popular example is DittoNote, which effectively replicates the look and feel of newer Notes on a Note 2. The latest that's compatible for T-Mobile Note 2 is DittoNote4, or DN4. You'll find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-2-tmobile/development/4-4-4-tw-rom1-15-2015-t3021847. Looks like there's a patch involved beyond the initial ROM installation, but it's probably worth the effort; the DittoNote team has always put out quality work.
Hope this helps. Enjoy!
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While the previous reply is correct about there only being a 4.3 official ROM, there are many 4.4 or 4.4.4 ROMs that still have SPen and WiFi calling. Check out the T-Mobile Note 2 Android Development forum, specifically ROMs that say "TW", which is TouchWiz, Samsung's Android skin that includes SPen and other S-stuff, if you didn't already know. ROMs with "TW" or "TouchWiz" in the name should have what you want. One popular example is DittoNote, which effectively replicates the look and feel of newer Notes on a Note 2. The latest that's compatible for T-Mobile Note 2 is DittoNote4, or DN4. You'll find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-2-tmobile/development/4-4-4-tw-rom1-15-2015-t3021847. Looks like there's a patch involved beyond the initial ROM installation, but it's probably worth the effort; the DittoNote team has always put out quality work.
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That doesn't have WiFi calling.
How many guys have rooted their s20+?
Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G9860 met Tapatalk
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I bought my Exynos S20 specifically because I was planning to root it, and I have never owned an Android phone that was rootable without rooting it. I think this may be my first. Software is great, features are great, and I don't want to break Samsung Pay because MST is ridiculously useful.
I have the S20+ 5G D/S and like many others I've rooted every Samsung phone I've ever owned. But until a custom recovery comes along and a decent Rom and Kernel. I'll stay non rooted. Its not to bad if I'm honest.
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and I don't want to break Samsung Pay because MST is ridiculously useful.
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which region are you in that MST works on Samsung pay?
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which region are you in that MST works on Samsung pay?
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US on 985F
TheNetwork said:
I bought my Exynos S20 specifically because I was planning to root it, and I have never owned an Android phone that was rootable without rooting it. I think this may be my first. Software is great, features are great, and I don't want to break Samsung Pay because MST is ridiculously useful.
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in the UK we don't have MST with Samsung pay, so there's not much incentive to use it over Google pay, which I find more transparent in daily use.
Yeah I would have never used phone pay apps if it weren't for MST honestly, so few places here have even google or apple pay, it's basically pointless to take the time to look and see if you should pull your phone or credit card out, it was much faster and simpler to just pull your credit card out and assume no one had the NFC paystations.
here in the UK, since I started using Google pay a few years ago, I've literally never not been able to use it.
Google is a one-stop shop that liked to store everything we own... password and financial information as well... one good hack will have access to all of that data... which is why as a rule of thumb, i dont like saving my passwords that allow access to say, my bank.. its in my head.. thats it.. not stored anywhere... and google pay and the such was disabled when I rooted my s8... and going to the s20+ soon, these pay features do not interest me because I and many others here know how easy it is to hack and get into those apps. I will not use them for this reason... too much information stored in any 1 location is just asking for trouble... and what happens when someone clones your phone and starts using your pay app?
But I dont wanna get too far off subject... right now, you can only root an Exynox and it blows their security fuse in the process... better than their old knox I guess for Samsung, but sucks for those who will never try to open their phone... maybe someone will find a work around for it.... But we can upload new roms on a SnapDragon I hear?!? Its the bloatware that is of major concern to me and if we can flash a new rom and get rid of it... thats something... I dont really see any ROMS out for either phone... my s8 is a Exynox SM950F...
So do I order an Exynox that I can unlock again, or is someone using this time stuck in your house to root the Snapdragon and start making roms?
Hello all! I have a galaxy s20 g980f stock with oneui 4 beta 1. What are my options to get rid of as much as possible bloatware, de-google, de-samsung etc.? im aware of adb debloating, but it has certain lmitations like knox. so what else? Custom rom? Which one is most debloated and 100% functional?
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Hello all! I have a galaxy s20 g980f stock with oneui 4 beta 1. What are my options to get rid of as much as possible bloatware, de-google, de-samsung etc.? im aware of adb debloating, but it has certain lmitations like knox. so what else? Custom rom? Which one is most debloated and 100% functional?
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De-bloating is subjective: one man's bloat is another man's treasure. Moreover, aggressive debloating tends to result in broken functionality and it is time consuming to track down the removed package that causes a failure.
Custom ROMs vary greatly in objectives and quality. At the end of the day, the only way you will get exactly what you want is to roll your own.
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De-bloating is subjective: one man's bloat is another man's treasure. Moreover, aggressive debloating tends to result in broken functionality and it is time consuming to track down the removed package that causes a failure.
Custom ROMs vary greatly in objectives and quality. At the end of the day, the only way you will get exactly what you want is to roll your own.
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Well, I cant agree here. I assume there is a common meaning for debloating - getting rid of all preinstalled software that has spying and advertising functions, and replacing it with analog functional software without spying and advertising parts. For example i uninstalled samsung keyboard and replaced with one of foss options.
Now the main and only problem I got is that i was not able to find official detailed explanation of each stock package - over 400 of them. Do you now where this can be found?
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Well, I cant agree here. I assume there is a common meaning for debloating - getting rid of all preinstalled software that has spying and advertising functions, and replacing it with analog functional software without spying and advertising parts. For example i uninstalled samsung keyboard and replaced with one of foss options.
Now the main and only problem I got is that i was not able to find official detailed explanation of each stock package - over 400 of them. Do you now where this can be found?
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This is exactly my point. I actually like the Samsung Keyboard. That said, if you *really" want every last piece of invasive software off, you will likely be better served with LineageOS or some other close descendant of AOSP. For what it's worth, one of the most invasive pieces of software on just about any stock device is Google Play Services. However, without it, most of the Google apps won't work, and plenty of other apps downloaded from the Play Store will have issues too.
The closest I've seen to a list of stock packages I've seen is this: https://docs.samsungknox.com/CCMode/G980F_R.pdf. It doesn't provide descriptions though.
As you encounter .apk files in the firmware package, here's an easy way to determine the package name from the occasionally less than informative file name:
Bash:
aapt dump badging file.apk | grep -Po "^package: \Kname=\'\S+?\'"
Attached is the list of bloat specs I used when building my image for the G986B culled from a variety of sources. It should serve as a useful starting point.
Try florisboard from f-droid, i personally found it perfect. But off course I understand your point, it is common too. I go radical, i deleted google play, framework and all google apps, i simply do not use any soft that requires google, for me its an affordable price for privacy and freedom.
By the way for debloating I am using AppManager from Muntashirakon, in ADB mode. I see the packages there, but no description, so yeah its a hit or miss. But there is an option to disable, then you see what happens and if problems you enable it back. Pretty decent, but not perfect. I wish I could root at least, but i guess need to wait for full A12 firmware and a matching TWRP recovery. Currently device is running on A12 Oneui 4 beta1.
Thanks a lot, I was going to ask you for this, where to start putting together own rom!!
Wondering, why are Calyx and Graphene roms not getting much attention here on XDA? And linux phones deserve some, even though they're technically not XDA..
The g980f in subject I just happen to have, if i would have to buy a phone now I wouldn't consider Samsung at all for the restrictions. Few months ago I disabled Samsung Pay Services - phone got locked irreversibly. I called Samsung and only option they offered is hard reset. Lost some sweet stuff with it and will never go Samsung again.
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Try florisboard from f-droid, i personally found it perfect. But off course I understand your point, it is common too. I go radical, i deleted google play, framework and all google apps, i simply do not use any soft that requires google, for me its an affordable price for privacy and freedom.
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That keyboard actually looks pretty good. That said, I don't have the patience to fully cut Google/Samsung out of my life.
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By the way for debloating I am using AppManager from Muntashirakon, in ADB mode. I see the packages there, but no description, so yeah its a hit or miss. But there is an option to disable, then you see what happens and if problems you enable it back. Pretty decent, but not perfect. I wish I could root at least, but i guess need to wait for full A12 firmware and a matching TWRP recovery. Currently device is running on A12 Oneui 4 beta1.
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I don't know that you need an Android 12-based TWRP, but you definitely need a compatible version of Magisk. Modding is generally a lot harder when you're on the bleeding edge, and is further complicated by the fact that you can't roll back the bootloader; you'll never find me on the latest build. It looks like there is a Android-12 compatible Magisk Canary build but I haven't tried it yet.
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Wondering, why are Calyx and Graphene roms not getting much attention here on XDA? And linux phones deserve some, even though they're technically not XDA..
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Because the Android phone market is too fragmented. Any custom ROM is available for at most a handful of the hundreds of actively marketed devices in the Android ecosystem.
Of course the bigger question is why we even need the abomination of an OS that is Android. In short, we don't: Sharp was already selling its Zaurus line of Linux PDAs 20 years ago. Google, however, decided it needed to insert itself into the mobile market, and the rest is history.
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The g980f in subject I just happen to have, if i would have to buy a phone now I wouldn't consider Samsung at all for the restrictions. Few months ago I disabled Samsung Pay Services - phone got locked irreversibly. I called Samsung and only option they offered is hard reset. Lost some sweet stuff with it and will never go Samsung again.
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Samsung's "security" practices are obnoxious, though at least in the US, the carriers share plenty of blame for phones being locked down. That said, I have yet to find to find hardware that is more compelling--the lack of a SD card slot is a deal breaker.
By the way i am on beta oneui 4, and i'm not going to update to full A 12 yet, so I keep an option to go back to 11 anytime, and there I can go custom rom or root at least.
And the lack of sd card in pixels is the only thing holding me from switching too.. but very little, im actually going to get a pixel 5 as parallel to the s20. Lack of SD card can be partiality cured by cloud storage. I guess its less inconvenience comparing to struggling with samsung's bs..
From what i see online, pixels have widest rom options, Calyx, Graphene, e/OS, so I can experiment and see what works best for me.
With samsung releasing necessary bits for the development of Custom ROMs is there still dramatic downsides to flashing any of these potential roms onto a samsung device, is the dreaded Knox still an issue in this department?
I am rooted what can i test for you?
Not sure how to test KNOX...
See my "how to root" thread for known issues (galaxy wear can't connect watch)
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I rooted an s20 Ultra a couple of years ago the following issues occurred.
I had a Galaxy watch 2 and 3 both would fail to sync with the phone
s-health would not work
Samsung pay would not work
the secure folder would not work
Samsung pass also stopped working
these apps did fail to work but relocking the bootloader brought the google play certification back
google play store became uncertified which made google pay and my banking app also stop working
OTA updates stopped to
wasn't worth it for me haven't done it since the s20 ultra.
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my banking app also stop working
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did you try magisk hide or zygisk? if you dont mind what banking apps do you use?
I only ask because I haven't experienced any issues with the banking apps (Chase, Discover, USAA) I used on my last device, a rooted oneplus 7T Pro.
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99.99% sure that KNOX eFuse will be blown with root ... and - in UK at least - your warranty is instantly & permanently void.
Yeah, AFAIK it blows the knox fuse, so anything with personal data from Samsung stops working. That includes pay, wear, health, sec folder etc. Also Google stuff becomes a pain. Probably work around for that, but honestly, doesn't give you anything, and just causes issue, so don't bother
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Yeah, AFAIK it blows the knox fuse, so anything with personal data from Samsung stops working. That includes pay, wear, health, sec folder etc. Also Google stuff becomes a pain. Probably work around for that, but honestly, doesn't give you anything, and just causes issue, so don't bother
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Totally agree. Rooting a phone in 2022 is as useful as buying a house with an outside toilet. Not many want this feature in their life.
Rooting doesn't make any sense anymore. on the contrary it brings so many issues especially regarding banking and password managing applications.
I was a flashcoholic during the good old days, and rooting a phone was the first thing I did when I purchased any phone. but that was because of the software limitations and the mostly not up-to-date Android on the phones I bought. Add to that I didn't have bank apps back then.
Now Samsung has almost the best software update policy, you can buy the phone today and have OS updates for the next four years, add to that the maturity the software and the UI have reached. Tweaks are barely needed and if so, there is the Good Lock app which has many useful additions and customization.
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Rooting doesn't make any sense anymore. on the contrary it brings so many issues especially regarding banking and password managing applications.
I was a flashcoholic during the good old days, and rooting a phone was the first thing I did when I purchased any phone.
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#MeToo. I am a recovering root-a-holic from late 2000s to mid 2010s but rooting a samsung in the 2020s is more trouble than benefit for anyone who is not an active XDA custom rom dev.
i did root my fold 4 because several apps (titanium, Lucky Patcher) i use need root access.
and LP is so important because i can disable annoying ads in apps.
banking apps do run great with zygisk in magisk.
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i did root my fold 4 because several apps (titanium, Lucky Patcher) i use need root access.
and LP is so important because i can disable annoying ads in apps.
banking apps do run great with zygisk in magisk.
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Or just use Pihole and all your devices are add free... As for lucky got no need for it, didn't even realise still going..
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Or just use Pihole and all your devices are add free... As for lucky got no need for it, didn't even realise still going..
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Does Pihole work for blocking Ads from apps?
Do you recommend it run on router or device or?
I've got it running in a container on my home server, but did have it on a raspberry pi for a bit. Works great and stops from everything
People who are talking that root is not as important as before. Give me an alternative to Viper4android without root. and I will get Convinced.
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People who are talking that root is not as important as before. Give me an alternative to Viper4android without root. and I will get Convinced.
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No idea why you need it, the sound profile is decent out of it with a little tweaking of the dsp settings and decent headphones. After all your listening for the most part over a lossy connection (Bluetooth) anyhow. But if you 'need' it, then more power too you, but a synthetic dsp is not worth the agro impo
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No idea why you need it, the sound profile is decent out of it with a little tweaking of the dsp settings and decent headphones. After all your listening for the most part over a lossy connection (Bluetooth) anyhow. But if you 'need' it, then more power too you, but a synthetic dsp is not worth the agro impo
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I have been using Viper for more than 13 years not since I owned a Samsung Galaxy S4, running by Huawei phones, Oneplus. I have never seen any OEM Audio tuning that brings the same quality and crisp sound that viper brings, and tons of customizations.. I make my phones sound better with Airpods pros than iPhones themselves..
I would really like to invest in a fold 4. but If I can't get it to sound like my rooted Oneplus 7t pro I will be very disappointed..
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I dont know what new functionality V4A would give me and I'm obviously not missing it as I haven't felt the need to root any phone for well over 5 years. Android 12/13 and Samsung UI is plenty flexible and open enough for the vast majority of users not to NEED to root.
Nobody is saying you don't have the right to root,... you do have the right! Go root yout $2000 device if you want to Its your choice
...but root with your eyes open and research the pros and cons before you flash a non-samsung image & permanently trip the knox efuse.
HOWEVER.... look again at the title of this forum topic
What do you loose if you root or flash a galaxy z fold, is Knox still an issue like before?Answer: You lose a heck of a lot in most regions of the world ! .... Banking apps, Samsung Pay... Warranty. and Knox eFuse is tripped permanently.
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I have been using Viper for more than 13 years not since I owned a Samsung Galaxy S4, running by Huawei phones, Oneplus. I have never seen any OEM Audio tuning that brings the same quality and crisp sound that viper brings, and tons of customizations.. I make my phones sound better with Airpods pros than iPhones themselves..
I would really like to invest in a fold 4. but If I can't get it to sound like my rooted Oneplus 7t pro I will be very disappointed..
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hi mastrok. i felt the same like you. i was using v4a since many many years and i loved it.
so then i did buy a fold 4 and i started to realize that v4a will not work on this phone. this was very sad and disappointing for me.
so i had to look for an alternative solution.
i installed jamesdsp via magisk and i use poweramp.
in jamesdsp i only set up the convolver. in poweramp i set up the equalizer and the bass and treble adjustment.
for me the sound is now like in v4a.
i am satisfied with that solution.
but to come back to the topic: you need root access for that i assume.
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I dont know what new functionality V4A would give me and I'm obviously not missing it as I haven't felt the need to root any phone for well over 5 years. Android 12/13 and Samsung UI is plenty flexible and open enough for the vast majority of users not to NEED to root.
Nobody is saying you don't have the right to root,... you do have the right! Go root yout $2000 device if you want to Its your choice
...but root with your eyes open and research the pros and cons before you flash a non-samsung image & permanently trip the knox efuse.
HOWEVER.... look again at the title of this forum topic
What do you loose if you root or flash a galaxy z fold, is Knox still an issue like before?Answer: You lose a heck of a lot in most regions of the world ! .... Banking apps, Samsung Pay... Warranty. and Knox eFuse is tripped permanently.
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why do you say that you loose banking apps and samsung pay with root? that is not true!
and after root my knox status remained at knox 0x0 as i remember when i was the last time in download mode.
i can easily unroot it if i want.
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why do you say that you loose banking apps and samsung pay with root? that is not true!
and after root my knox status remained at knox 0x0 as i remember when i was the last time in download mode.
i can easily unroot it if i want.
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It IS true in the UK that some banking apps wont run on rooted devices (santander, HSBC for 2 examples)
My understanding was that knox is tripped permanently first time you flash a custom rom or a non samsung image.
News to me that this has changed, but good luck to you.
I will never root a samsung phone again ever ever. no need. too many downsides. too few upsides.
Finally, there was a poll in XDA last month about who plans to root their Fold4. 75% of recipients said never ever. 25% said maybe.
Rooting is now un unpopular and specialist option less than 25% of XDA members want. This is fact, stats taken from an open poll.