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I posted this in the HD7 board but didn't get much feedback, so I'm reposting it here.
Ok guys I have a Samsung Vibrant, running a Team Whiskey rom and am pretty active in that forum, but I'd like to hear some input on plusses and minuses of this OS compared to Android. I've been solely android since G1 and was a Windows mobile user prior to that, Wing, so Tmo. I have an opportunity to get this device and just wanted some friendly input. Just a side note I've handled that device and I'm in love with the form factor. Also 2 core Androids are around the corner so I need some convincing. Thanks in advance.
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WP7 just works. You dont have to add any additional bloatware and mod the hell out of it just to get a functional phone. It works out of the box. I've had to do a battery pull once and I have 5 WP7 devices. Also dual-core or not android will still have a lot more lag and fragmentation due to a UI thats not GPU accelerated so android just seems ridiculously slow by comparison. The market isnt as big yet (of course) but what we do have is quality. You dont have to wade through 1000s of girls in bikini wallpaper apps just to ind a gem. All in all its a matter of quality over quantity, android was meant to be a low end UI and putting it on upper end devices is just.... overkill..
Here are a few reasons why I think that WP7 is awesome:
Multiple hardware options.
Xbox Live integration.
No stupid extra UI skins.
Optimized hardware and software.
Awesome UI.
Cheap but good applications.
I use WP7 after big struggle - which OS to choose after WM6.5
And I also tested Android.
Why did I choose WP7?
Well, mostly because UI is very stable, superfluid and doesn't have annoying amount of graphic elements and colours. It is intuitive and organic. From this perspective this is what I was waiting for.
The other factors for me were: mostly excellent email client, built in Office with OneNote integrated online, sync with Hotmail/WLive which I use for years, integation with Outlook.
As you will look at this forum, huge amount of things are also missing on WP7.
In my case, I am willing to stay with WP7 only if MS will bring soon things which make this OS simply ridiculous right now. I can wait because what is on WP7 is often brilliant.
But the current set of features and limitations is make me observe the market. If in few months situation will not change vastly or we won't have a serious roadmap of improvements, I will be forced to shift to Android. SE Arc is very encouraging, and Android offers much much more in some areas.
I hope that helps a bit.
z33dev33l said:
WP7 just works. You dont have to add any additional bloatware and mod the hell out of it just to get a functional phone. It works out of the box. I've had to do a battery pull once and I have 5 WP7 devices. Also dual-core or not android will still have a lot more lag and fragmentation due to a UI thats not GPU accelerated so android just seems ridiculously slow by comparison. The market isnt as big yet (of course) but what we do have is quality. You dont have to wade through 1000s of girls in bikini wallpaper apps just to ind a gem. All in all its a matter of quality over quantity, android was meant to be a low end UI and putting it on upper end devices is just.... overkill..
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WP7 works well when accept a crapton of defficiencies and limitations.
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Things I don't like about windows phone 7.
1. No multitasking. Takes too long to switch between applications. Every application has to reload all the time which is time consuming.
2. Sometimes when you hit back in IE, it takes you out of the app, instead of the previous page.
3. Marketplace is still lacking. The developers are charging way too much for their apps. Everything is expensive. It seems like every developer is just trying to make a quick buck which I don't mind if the application is deserving, but I see a lot of crap simple apps that are paid.
4. No separate volume controls for regular ringer and media volume.
5. No flash, period.
6. Xbox live games are not Xbox live games that you can multiplayer with (exception being UNO). The only benefit of the games is achievements, the graphics are good but not xbla good. They're not even the same game as in the Xbox. For example ilomilo is two different versions from what I can tell.
7. Bing maps does not hold a candle to Google maps. It won't reroute your directions if you take a wrong turn.
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WP7 works well when accept a crapton of defficiencies and limitations.
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This brought absolutely nothing to the table except possibly making you feel better by venting. Please, keep this thread civil and productive. The other threads have been on point and positive, let's keep it this way so we don't get this thread shut down.
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This brought absolutely nothing to the table except possibly making you feel better by venting. Please, keep this thread civil and productive. The other threads have been on point and positive, let's keep it this way so we don't get this thread shut down.
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Talk about irony, you just did the exact same thing. However what he stated brought something to the table, yours however didn't.
Really????
vetvito said:
Talk about irony, you just did the exact same thing. However what he stated brought something to the table, yours however didn't.
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I have seen 4 of these threads shut down because they got hijacked. Comments like the one quoted started the hijacking. I'll say no more but watch this closely to make sure that it doesn't become the fifth shut down by the mods. I learned a great deal from the other four and was really upset that a couple of WP haters caused the threads to be shut down. My choice was between an Android and WP7 device, coming from a WM6.5. I want to hear what others thought when they made their decisions.
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The same could be said about any OS. I do prefer no C&P and no multi-tasking to fragmentation and no GPU accelerated UI. I call that a fair trade-off
I have used WP7 for about two months until I went back to Android and I give nothing but recognition to the baby OS. Out of the box, like many have said, "It just works." WP7 with social integration is probably the best you'll see out of any phone. Their facebook "app" totally outpaces Android's. The lag on the OS is practically non-existent and it truly offers the "put down your phone and enjoy life" slogan. You don't need custom ROMS, blah blah, etc to have the phone perform at full functionality. For things such as copy and paste, I've never used it on a phone and for me it's not a factor, maybe for someone else though.
If you've used Android before and are converting to WP7, you might miss a lot of things such as the choice to have your own background, different launchers such as Launcher Pro, ADW and your choice of ring-tones. The one thing I didn't like WP7 is the fact that I had to use Zune software to sync my music. I'm the type that likes to plug it into the computer and drag my files without any type of software. Android definitely gives a bigger advantage when it comes to user customization. Maybe in time, MS will let WP7 users do that but as for right now, it's fine if you're not major on backgrounds, ring-tones, etc.
All in all, I like WP7 for what it is and I'm not complaining for it doesn't have.
agree,, the system just works,,simple and fast..
minor things need to be fixed or update though
i would think wp7's rival is ios,,not android...ios is also simple and target to the high end user specifically.
Both of them have their pluses and minuses.
Android Good
-Very Customizable.
-Great support from Devs.
-Always Something new
-Open Source.
-Growing more and more.
Android Bad
-It's open source, which I'll explain this one. Open source itself is not bad, but what makes it bad is anyone could write certain apks and file systems into Android that have access to the network of your phone to send out your data to random companies or people around the world. The worst part about it is, it's listed in what the app modifies and uses on your phone, in the download screen of the market. People don't read it, I'm not blaming Open Source for that either. But the way it is, it makes it easy for people to write anything to give away information.
-Fragmentation. This is a bad one indeed, because some companies update their phones on a timely basis. HTC does, and Motorola does with their high end phones.(High end phones, this leaves out smaller phones) However, some phones aren't updated to a higher build because some of them really don't need to. The Devour on Verizon is on 1.6, but is a texting social app phone, running an arm11 cpu I believe. That's all it really needs. But Samsung is bad on all types of updates, or even when they update it, it doesn't run great. This is both Motorola, and Samsung at fault.
-Rooting. This is a touchy subject, because a lot of phones are rooted to make better. But there are some phones that almost need to be rooted for support, and current updates. The Samsung Moment is a great example of this, terrible performance, had to be rooted just to work decently. Or there are phones that could run newer updates, but phone manufactures choose not to update them. G1, Hero, Eris, they could all run 2.2 just fine.
-Bloatware! you know what I mean.
I'm not gonna say that a not having a hardware accelerated ui is a disadvantage, because a lot of the higher end android phones run the ui pretty smooth. Even low end ones can run Launcher Pro really well.
WP7 Goods
-Simple
-Very nice for social apps
-Xbox live
-I like the UI a lot!
WP7 bad
-It's a new system. Meaning there isn't a lot of backing and support and development compared to Android. App selection isn't as big either, but not a big deal really. A lot of apps in Android market aren't even used.
-This is geared toward the way WP7 is designed, and the phones too. You cannot change your microsd card to a faster, or bigger one, and if you can you void the warranty. Before anybody brings up the Nexus S, the Nexus S is one phone, designed by Google and Samsung. Not every Android phone is designed by Google and Samsung.
-3 button requirement, The HD2 and the TG01 could both run WP7 no problem. Granted, we have a WP7 build on the HD2, but you need to crack it basically to use Live services. Hell, the HD7 is basically a redesigned HD2.
-This one is a gripe of mine, networks!!!!! WP7 is still not available on all the networks that are major in the States. Both Tmobile and AT&T are garbage in my area.
-Customization, this one I don't find as a big deal with WP7, I like the UI. I think it's great, why fix what isn't broken? But I know some people really count this as a buying decision on a phone.
All and all, I say you can't go wrong with either platform. Android is a very flexible system, while WP7 is a system where it just works. Android is open source, so it's bound to have problems with devices that just run in software mode, where as WP7 is mostly controlled so performance wouldn't be an issue with that.
I went from WP7 to Android. My previous phone was a blackberry.
Biggest things I liked about WP7 was how quickly it allowed me to do things. Most apps and tasks felt like a click or two away, and the software keyboard is the best bar none.
On Android the ability to do things is huge, finally got my yahoo im app, google navigator and a market place rich with feature apps. While I feel the android UI is cluttered and ugly it's just stronger in terms of what the phone is capable of. WP7 felt like a lot of wasted power.. it can certainly do more. it's mindboggling why it's so restricted.
I thank you all for your input! I'd love to hear more opinions.
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Android does all I need and works sufficiently well. WP7 is smooth, clean and efficient, but doesn't provide the needed functionality. I choose Android.
Android:
Pros
- Multitasking
- C&P
- Large Marketplace
- Great Devs for Multiple Devices
- Open Source
- Incredibly Customizable
- Lots of hardware choices
- Google Integration
- Downloadable launchers to get rid of overlays like MotoBlur
- Flash 10.1 (For Froyo and above)
- Great alternative browsers like SkyFire
- Ability to use phone as a mass storage device
Cons
- Not as smooth as iOS or WP7 but nothing to whine about.
- Fragmentation (Not a problem if you root, but it exists for normal users.)
- C&P functions in too many different ways depending on where you are.
- Non Streamlined UI
- Can't uninstall bloatware without root.
Windows Phone 7
Pros
- Very responsive UI
- All devices upgradeable through Zune simultaneously.
- Streamlined UI
- MS Office integration
- Xbox Live integration
- Windows Live integration
- Zune Integration
- Bing Integration
- Fastest growing marketplace (100 apps per day)
Cons
- No fast app switching
- No C&P yet
- No Flash support yet
- Lacking in hardware variation
- Not as many apps as in iOS or Android
- Limited Customization
- No CDMA support yet
- No Silverlight or HTML5 support yet
- No custom ringtones
WP7 is just F*ing fast! I have an HD2 whose Android ports have been tirelessly worked on since last summer and still STILL WP7 on its first release is smoother, faster, stabler, and more lag free. Even on top android devices (looking at you EVO 4g) Android is filled with lag while our paltry launch devices with their generic parts and arguably thoughtless design run WP7 like a dream. I'll admit that I miss a lot of the features of android (flash, marketplace maturity, copy/paste, tethering), but if you want an OS that works NOW buttery smooth and don't mind waiting a little bit for the awesome extras WP7 is the way.
Just to shut the fragmentation "issues".
I understand for those who live in the US of A fragmentation on WP7 means jack, however the platform was launched internationally.
So let's see
http://andrewtechhelp.com/andrews-tech-opinions/115-windows-phone-7-feature-availability-matrix
So let's assume you are on the platform that is being cursed here as fragmented, do you have a choice on the same platform and the same carrier you are on to get what you need? Is it worse than having a phone in your country outside of US of A and no matter what carrier or manufacture you choose you end up with the same features or lack thereof?
WP7 is already fragmented. Look at the Dell. If its not fragmented its severely crippled. 256mb ram started it.
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
For me, one sentence will answer all...because we want to try something new and fresh.
However,the usability and satisfaction towards the OS or device are depends on your personal preference.
IMHO, I'm not really satisfied with this new OS,it is still in premature stage.
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
MO, its nice and fast with good apps. Big and easy to the eyes fonts.
But the weak point it gave you the feeling the phone is tied down as if you rent instead of owning it e.g. cant transfer documents to pc(not everyone have sharepoint),
no backups on anything(apps with user data or sms..anything) shud the phone needs to be reset or repaired.
If you are a patience type, then waiting for updates will not be an issue for you.
DatDereX1 said:
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
@ OP:
In the end it depends on your requirements and how you use your phone. The way I'd rank them, depending on what you need most:
Phone/Battery Life: Nokia (Symbian) > Blackberry
Media: WP7 > iOS (Phones with Bigger Screens, Zune Pass/Zune, etc.)
Gaming: iOS > WP7 > Android (Too many Android games are of terrible quality/bug-riddled).
Browsing: Android > iOS (More Browser Choices, bigger screens, 4G devices, etc.)
Communication (SMS/MMS/IM/eMail and Business Communications): Symbian > Blackberry > Android (WP7 would be in last place here, IMO)
Business User: Windows Mobile > Symbian > Blackberry (BB loses points due to needing BES for decent Exchange support - WM gains points for supporting every Exchange Policy and having Office Mobile 2010)
If having Voice Nav is a huge thing than Android > Symbian > Windows Mobile
If you're an Appaholic: iOS > Android > Blackberry
Since I know where you're probably (even if secretly) coming from, I'll just cut to the chase here... WP7 isn't as good as Android. The User Interface is better and it performs better in many cases (this is device dependent, to a large degree), but the level of services integration in addition to the functionality drop-off going from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 is just not good when compared to other platforms. Microsoft failed to capitalize on their Windows Live services with WP7 (billed as a consumer device) and then they failed harder by locking down the platform so tight that the development community can't even help them close these gaps.
WP7 is a necessary step forward for Microsoft, but the platform is Beta in functionality and Release Candidate in User Experience. From what has been coming out of Microsoft, it also seems like nothing more than a transition platform. Don't get it until Mango releases to all carriers if you are coming from iOS or Android. You never know what the functionality gap is until you actually use this device on a daily basis. Using it for 20 minutes in a carrier store is not enough.
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
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However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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Well, I personally moved from a "true smartphone OS" (WM) to iOS to WP7 with a couple of brief stops with Android, and it suits me very well. Because I can do more with it, and better, including work (which for me is primarily communication via email and checking/quick editing office documents). While I will 200% agree that WP7 isn't a "PC in your pocket" in terms of power/flexibility/features by any stretch of imagination, and it isn't a business powerhouse, whether and how platforms fit your specific needs is what matters. Each platform has its own specific bugs or quirks which you may not notice at all or they can turn your phone ownership into hell.
You're going to have the "hate it"s and the "love it"s, with a good mix of fanboys in the middle, so my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
Read about its features and current limitations and if it fits your needs, it has the apps you require and you enjoy it, take it... I know I did.
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my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
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Actually, this is a crucially important piece of advice. As uniform as WP7 devices are, I had a very difficult time getting a phone for myself. My major problem with the current crop is miserable amount of storage. I had to go for a carrier branded Mozart to get at least 16GB, and while it wasn't SIM locked and doesn't cause too much hassle, I would advise that you avoid branded handsets if possible. You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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In some cases carrier locked models do come at cheaper prices, which is crucial to some people when choosing their phones.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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IMO you are asking the question wrong. It's a bit like asking if a Hummer is a better car than a Prius? With no qualifiers you will get as many answers saying the Hummer as you get people saying the Prius.
Now, let me add some more information. I live in the country, have three dogs (who like going for drives), we get ****loads of snow in the winter and them side roads leading up to the property are not exactly prioritized when it comes to removing snow.
For me it (Hummer) definitely is, but for them there city folks probably not so much
If you'd like to add some more information about what you use your phone for, i.e. what is important to you - I'm sure we'll get you some good reasons why you should (or not) pick WP7.
N8ter said:
Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
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The interface is indeed better, and the user experience is also better in general. MUCH better than WM's user experience; you can't deny that.
Similar to how the iphone couldn't do nearly as much as WM when it was released, but the user experience was much better. Everything "just worked" as they say. Some people have issues with WP but most don't have or care about any. It "just works".
Windows Phone 7 is by far the best OS I have used.
Android is very laggy. I can't tell you how many times I went to answer a call and couldn't because my Android device wouldn't respond in time.
Interface is unmatched. Way better than anything Android or iOS has to offer.
iOS is a good OS if you have the latest hardware (iPhone4), but the interface kills it for me. It's very boring.
Gaming experience is really awesome on WP7. Love the XBox Live integration/achievements.
Mostly everything just works without a hitch.
There are still bugs... but as an early adopter, I couldn't be happier.
Having both I say choose Android but watch WP7 for the future.
Currently WP7 offers very little to the customers.
It has very easy and nice interface but equally boring and dull to be honest.
Almost every thing this device can do is limited, maybe besides Zune and Xbox.
If you don't care about any more advanced features WP7 may be for you.
After 3 months of liking it I couldn't stand it anymore.
Limitations driving me crazy, stupid inconsistencies in performance plus Interface which is just a little bit too primitive (even if it's so easy to use).
Many people wrote here alot about both OS'es. Almost everything has been said.
For me WP7 is a massive disappointment. I gave it huge credit, bought my WP7 device for cash in December. But honestly the current situation is simply unacceptable at all.
Crippled features + no support in most countries with Marketplace, Maps, Bing and native Keyboard. If I think of it now I see it's ridiculous.
WP7 definitely is something worth interest because MS has all the services to make a perfect ecosystem in every possible area and that may be amazing. That was one of the reasons I bought it. But they don't do it now at all. You can do 100 times more on any other platform.
I suppose WP7 may be big hit once Nokia will jump on the market and WP7 will be much more opened. I think after Mango update this can be better and better.
But not now. Apparently MS has huge problem with the upgrade system what is not positive. My device still can't be updated although preNoDo was OK.
So a really competitive and finished product can be available around beginning of next year. Not before and it's too long to wait for me - I buy device to do the job!
I guess current WP7 is like an advanced beta where MS has it's learning curve.
And regarding the fluidity I say - people tell myths here.
WP7 lags sometimes terribly and current Android interations are really snappy.
I had a iphone then a Desire HD (which I still have) and now a samsung omnia 7 16gb, I also have a Ipad 1 so have a good idea of all of the OS's. All three are good phones, and getting any of the 3 different OS you can't go wrong really.
However I am loving WP7 so far even with the little quirks, the UI is really awesome and I much prefer it to Android in that regard, I spent hours using launcher pro and icons and lock screen mods and was never happy with how it looked whereas WP7 does all i need on that front and beautifully.
Also it's a lot smoother than android, though to be fair Android is as smooth as you need, the very little lags and jerks you get when scrolling are not big deals and I didn't actually notice them till I had both phones side by side, not sure why people make such a big deal about tiny jerkiness sometimes in the scrolling on Android.
IOS was a little too bland for me and I really wanted a better notification system as well as a bigger screen 3.5 was too small for web pages and gaming, though the amount of good quality apps was amazing, however I had my iphone for 3 years and I really only had about 20 apps, A few games to play when really bored and not at my PC.
Zune is awesome, million times better than Itunes, never used it before WP7 but now I am hooked, will be going from the trial to a paid zune pass too, works very well the streaming.
I also am impressed with the gaming on WP7 some very cool games in the market place, just a pity they are normally a lot more expensive than what you get on the iphone or android.
So overall WP7 does what I need (email, calendar, phone calls, and music with the odd game) and in a beautiful UI, for some people it wont do what they want and that's fine but for me it's great.
The Desire HD isn't used much at all anymore and I will probably ebay it soon. Really hope WP7 gets bigger as in my opinion it deserves a place in the the market even at this early stage of it's life
It completely baffles me as to why people continue to point out that WinPhone doesn't use dual cpus as though it has some negative affect on the phone or it's experience, even going as far as to compare it to Android phones which do use it. With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices. Performance? WP7 outperforms those dual cpu Android devices. Battery life, as so many have argued is the biggest positive? WP7 still gets better battery life. Also, how many people actually use front facing cameras? Really? I know quite a few people with MyTouchs and iPhone4s who have never done a video chat, and they've owned the devices since launch.
Just had to get that out there.
Really the only things where it suffers are in the app department....once the OS gets it legs(another year or so) it will be on par if not better than iOS. It doesn't beat out the Iphone 4(definitely better than the 3G and 3GS) and some android phones. I say some because Android is highly dependent on the phone you get. With Windows Phone you can pretty much go with any phone and they all work well. Im on my 3rd month with it and I still love it. Ive been through sony android phones, the iphone 3GS and a bada phone as well.
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With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices.
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Absolutely not true, actually just the opposite.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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it's ok .
Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
And the gorgeous Sony Xperia U/P phones are using android-laughable, mere Dual Core 1GHz "old" chips in 2012.
That being said, I love the direction new Sony Mobile is going in. Eye-catching phones with reasonable specs. Nothing overboard like 4.7" Quad Core. All we hear in here is specs specs specs, yet we are seeing a regression in certain areas among specific phones in the Android world. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say Windows Phone is crap because 16GB no SD card slot is not going to be enough I would be retired.
What do Windows Phones need?
CPU: Modest Dual Core CPU only for the accompanying GPU to play nice games.
Handsets: More handsets on more carriers, and more nice ones like the Lumia 800/900. Would love to see Sony get into the Windows Phone game but that will not happen until Apple starts suing them too. And hey, if the S is popular enough that may happen.
Apps: More apps.
And that is it. Because a fantastic looking phone that is stable, smooth, has great battery life, and a huge library of apps is the recipe for success.
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I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
I agree, that's why I lol. ..some folks you just can't please: a person posted that you can't download mp3s over the air with WP, I said you can with the right app ( I use the full version of easyring ), they then complained that it wasn't free like Android lol...
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I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
prohibido_por_la_ley said:
I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
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I have to agree with this. I disappeared because of the constant Android fanfare here and the lack of action by the moderators. I had to constantly ***** about it in PM to them because they would hand out a warning to me and allow them to continue ruining the experience here.
I honestly don't think that these specs going on in the mobile world are going to last though. It's very reminiscent of the power wars with PCs a few years back. Ultimately, efficiency won out and not "omg I have 7ghz." And I think you're seeing that with Windows 8, where no new specs are required. We're seeing that with Windows Phone - where an older snapdragon feels like a newly released processor.
I'm honestly happy with my HD7, I have been since day one. The OS, the apps, and the experience has done nothing but improve every single day. With the exception of HTCs HORRIBLE driver release and bugs, it has been as solid as solid can be.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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You guys know how I feel about this. I one of the big supporters of the cloud, pandora, zune pass, etc when it comes to music. While I would love a little more space, I have a boat load of music on my phone, I stream even more, and I have 7gb left after a year and a half lol.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Forgot? The 4.3" Samsung Focus S comes in 16/32GB options as well in the same phone. The HTC One S 4.3" is 16GB. So I need to get a 4.7" phone in order to enjoy 32GB if I want an HTC One? Maybe that will change but as far as I see there are no variations.
But to be balanced I agree phones should come in 16/32GB variations. The Cloud is not a good answer for why only 8GB.
This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
Not really anything new since the past two nexus phones haven't had SD slots, but it's definitely not going to help HTC with sales. Personally, I won't even consider buying a phone unless it has expandable storage. I passed on the Palm Pre back in the day for that very reason even though at the time it was the nicest phone Sprint had and I was stuck with a three year old Sanyo dumbphone.
It's a shame OEMs are following in Apple's footsteps with regard to non-expandable storage (unless you buy a whole new device for more money) and none removable batteries.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Not really on topic to this fora, but this being XDA we should at least try to keep information on here accurate.
It's a very common misconception that hardware will be able to fix Android's stuttering when it's a software issue. It comes down to the fact that Google hasn't optimized the Linux kernel for Mobile Devices instead of PCs. It doesn't give priority to the UI with CPU usage, so if something else wants CPU time the UI performance will suffer. Not to mention a thread can only run on one CPU so the other cores would just sit idle regardless. Hardware rendering has also always been available, but due to it's overhead there are times when it can actually hinder performance.
The article below deals primarily with Android, but the underlying issues apply to pretty much all operating systems.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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Three new android phones don't have removable storage, yes, I get that. So what? There are so many other new devices that, if an android fanboy don't want the One X, he don't have to get it. Saying "haha you can't get these particular devices" isn't actually saying anything, when the dissers have a varied enough ecosystem to draw upon. Maybe if they were all HTC fans (but HTC isn't even the #1 seller anymore, so..)
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Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
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I am perfectly fine if an android phone doesn't have a SD card slot. Those are on the big side of the big-small continuum. I don't think I would want a phone without a micro SD card slot unless it was a cheap and small phone. Even then, I don't know if I would do one without a micro SD card slot. Of it is cheap, the it probably won't have much in the way of storage space.
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
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Wow... i haven't paid any attention to that guy for awhile!
But yeah... OEM is thinking that customer will not need more than 16GB of data which is wrong. And they are thinking that people would not want laggy performance, so they don't use the SD Card to prevent this.
That is what i think.
But, the problem with this, i have said many times , that people will never know that Windows Phone run smoother in One Core only, they will still believe in the number and the mouth of the representative. "2 Cores will be better than 1, 2 is bigger than 1" .
Same Sh!t, Different Day. (S.S.D.D)
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Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
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Same reason I stopped posting in here.
I'm on single core and having a extremely smooth experience.
Its also extremely annoying not having removable storage as Nicksi pointed out. That and the non removable batteries are big issue.
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What windows needs is more apps Had a windows phone for a while so many of the apps arent updated (like angry birds)
My Pixel 2 had a beautiful clear white display, the Pixel 6 has a slight pink tint at certain viewing angles and colors look washed out. The phones speaker quality is terrible in comparison. And now we get to a big one. And it's not the Pixel 6 fault but Android12...
Scoped Storage
I'm sure this has been discussed but I am a gamer. And I like to be able to play all my purchased games and carry over all my save data.
Just about none of the Rockstar games work cause they haven't been updated in years. Now knowing developers are lazy why does Google make such drastic changes knowing these issues won't be solved any time soon if ever.
Meanwhile Rockstar is allowed to keep selling and making Millions off of old ports that don't run on the latest operating system for over a year now. This is wrong! On both Google and Roskstars part.
Yesterday I had to use Fastman92 to update most of GTA collection just to get back up and running again on Android-Unprotected.
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Now that my rant is over. is it normal even with root that I can't access certain game files in Android - Data?
Lets take Minecraft. I Iused to just plug in my External Mohang folder into Android - Data, start up the app and was good to go. Now that doesn't work. I have come up with creative workarounds but what is the proper way we are supposed to take data from one Android device to another with scoped storage?
I'm only addressing one part for now.
I would respectfully disagree that Rockstar's old games not working on new devices or Android versions is Google's fault at all. It is just not reasonable to expect everything to keep working without the developer updating the software. It is solely Rockstar's fault.
It would tie Google's hands behind their backs to make sure all old software still worked without modification. There would be so many issues caused by this that I hesitate to even start listing them.
I understand the frustration but let the blame lie solely with the developer.
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I'm only addressing one part for now.
I would respectfully disagree that Rockstar's old games not working on new devices or Android versions is Google's fault at all. It is just not reasonable to expect everything to keep working without the developer updating the software. It is solely Rockstar's fault.
It would tie Google's hands behind their backs to make sure all old software still worked without modification. There would be so many issues caused by this that I hesitate to even start listing them.
I understand the frustration but let the blame lie solely with the developer.
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What if we compromise.
Updates centrainly have to be made. While I don't see how scoped storage in most cases of Android games in the Android - Data folder are needed. I'll skip that for now.
Google should take all Rockstar games off the market untill they patch them. I think Rockstars last games update came almost 3 years ago in 2019.
Google heavily profits (50 Billion a year) on app sales, a good portion of which comes from games. Both Companies are profiting on broken apps. And that is wrong
Google Will Start Removing Outdated Apps From Google Pay Store Starting November 1: Why This Is Important - News18
This comes as a security measure from Google as apps on Google Play Store will be required to adhere to latest restrictions and permissions.
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The blog post from Google said that starting November 1, 2022, the company will remove those apps from the Google Play Store that don’t target an API level within two years of latest major Android version. It said that the apps will not be available for discovery or installation for new users with devices running Android OS versions higher than apps’ target API level.
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By that point Rockstar will have put out the brand new remastered edition and charge everyone all over again
But that's great. So hopefully Rockstar has untill November
The trouble with the above, though, is the other side. That favorite app of yours that still works perfectly but hasn't been updated in too many years, will no longer auto-restore along with other Play Store apps, if you use Google's restore, since the app won't be in the store anymore. Unless Google were actually nice and would allow apps to auto-restore on first setups of new devices - just not allow the app to be visible in the Play Store to anyone who doesn't already have the app.
You can still get the apk elsewhere (or have it backed up manually), but still. So either way, there will be complaints.
Hand76 said:
My Pixel 2 had a beautiful clear white display, the Pixel 6 has a slight pink tint at certain viewing angles and colors look washed out. The phones speaker quality is terrible in comparison. And now we get to a big one. And it's not the Pixel 6 fault but Android12...
Scoped Storage
I'm sure this has been discussed but I am a gamer. And I like to be able to play all my purchased games and carry over all my save data.
Just about none of the Rockstar games work cause they haven't been updated in years. Now knowing developers are lazy why does Google make such drastic changes knowing these issues won't be solved any time soon if ever.
Meanwhile Rockstar is allowed to keep selling and making Millions off of old ports that don't run on the latest operating system for over a year now. This is wrong! On both Google and Roskstars part.
Yesterday I had to use Fastman92 to update most of GTA collection just to get back up and running again on Android-Unprotected.
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Now that my rant is over. is it normal even with root that I can't access certain game files in Android - Data?
Lets take Minecraft. I Iused to just plug in my External Mohang folder into Android - Data, start up the app and was good to go. Now that doesn't work. I have come up with creative workarounds but what is the proper way we are supposed to take data from one Android device to another with scoped storage?
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Out of curiosity - how bad is the Google Pixel 6's speaker compared to the Pixel 2? I have never had a Pixel device and I am still considering a Pixel 6 Pro - but things like speaker performance, display quality (more brightness than color accuracy), and earpiece volume (I still use my phone phone to make/receive calls) are important to me.
My OnePlus 7 Pro tics most of the above off (the brightness could be a bit brighter (it gets the job done in bright sunlight - but still...) and the speakers are more than adequate for me) - but the fiasco that is now Opp... I mean OnePlus has pushed me to consider either a Google or a Samsung phone for my next device.
I had a Pixel 2XL then OnePlus 7 pro and now a Pixel 6 pro.
Tbh, the move from OP7P feels more of a lateral move than an upgrade. Some things are better on each but if I weigh it all, it's kind of a toss. P6P should be faster, but I don't really game so I don't see it. Speaker quality on the P6P I think is fantastic. I don't feel the P2XL was better, but not really worse either.
At the end of the day, I have toddler and an infant and I prefer to have the best photo quality to keep those memories at the best quality I can get. That and I paid $800 for a new phone so I gotta use it haha.
After some tweaks the battery life on the P6P is phenomenal vs OP7P as well. Though the OP phone is older it's tough to ding things too much. The Pixel 2XL was an amazing phone and set up a lot of success for Pixels overall. This is Google's first major change since that phone. It's had it's share of bugs for sure, but I still love mine.
Developers like Rockstar hold Android back. Android pushed off scoped storage, something that was desperately needed, for years because of developers like Rockstar. I have no sympathy for developers of games that don't work at this point.
Is it wrong that Rockstar is still selling the game? Absolutely. But don't blame Android devs - this was a long time coming. Leave reviews for the games, return them, charge back, do whatever you need to get through to Rockstar - but don't blame Android.
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I had a Pixel 2XL then OnePlus 7 pro and now a Pixel 6 pro.
Tbh, the move from OP7P feels more of a lateral move than an upgrade. Some things are better on each but if I weigh it all, it's kind of a toss. P6P should be faster, but I don't really game so I don't see it. Speaker quality on the P6P I think is fantastic. I don't feel the P2XL was better, but not really worse either.
At the end of the day, I have toddler and an infant and I prefer to have the best photo quality to keep those memories at the best quality I can get. That and I paid $800 for a new phone so I gotta use it haha.
After some tweaks the battery life on the P6P is phenomenal vs OP7P as well. Though the OP phone is older it's tough to ding things too much. The Pixel 2XL was an amazing phone and set up a lot of success for Pixels overall. This is Google's first major change since that phone. It's had it's share of bugs for sure, but I still love mine.
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I completely understand the need for the best photo quality and the OP7P (hell OP phones in general) camera quality leaves much to be desired. From what I have been keeping up with on the OP9P and the OP10P - I don't think that there's much more that OP has done to correct its lackadaisical photography approach.
Thanks for the insight especially as someone who had the exact phone that I am currently using and who has the phone that I am currently considering moving to!
I got pixel 6 pro in march this year I love the speakers but then again I play metal and rock lol I did have a pixel 2 xl and remember the speakers on that was good as well
This thread was a bit aof a rant. My main complaint was scoped storage.
It took me about an hour to update the softwware, unlock bootloader, and root.
It took about 30 minutes to try and get my Grim Fandango save game file to integrate in Android - Data and that was like A WOW moment for me. Like I never thoght I would see what used to be considered basic copy and pasting of files become difficult.
I don't like this new direction.
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Side note I have ocd and about 25 games. I have 100% save game files for each one. So It means a lot to me to be able to take hundreds of hours of work and port it over from my older devices to my new one. This upgade made that process the most challenging yet
TaylorV said:
Developers like Rockstar hold Android back. Android pushed off scoped storage, something that was desperately needed, for years because of developers like Rockstar. I have no sympathy for developers of games that don't work at this point.
Is it wrong that Rockstar is still selling the game? Absolutely. But don't blame Android devs - this was a long time coming. Leave reviews for the games, return them, charge back, do whatever you need to get through to Rockstar - but don't blame Android.
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I understand what you're saying, but almost all game devs update their games for the first couple years and run away. Games are what propel sales on the Google play store. Google (as a middle man) has made a ton of money off Rockstar, they have not held them back.
KOTOR 2's touch screen stopped working about a year ago on pixel devices. People begged Aspyr for a fix. One never came. Just the other day I tried the game again (on Android 11 and 12) and it was working. That means a Google app update fixed the issue.
Why can't Google grandfather older titles in without the need for scoped storage? What security bennefit is provided by GTA 3 having it's Android - Data files proteced?
So we bought a Pixel 4a 5G for my girlfriend 's mother. And she didn't like it so we got her an iPhone 13 and got the Pixel back. Comparing it to my 6 pro it's actually faster? Anddd the pictures are crisper? Likeeee wth is that.
Hand76 said:
Why can't Google grandfather older titles in without the need for scoped storage? What security bennefit is provided by GTA 3 having it's Android - Data files proteced?
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Any app that has data that can potentially be manipulated by another app is a security issue. Even though it's a game, a rogue app could manipulate its data in a way that ends up giving hackers access to your device and/or other data on your device.
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This thread was a bit aof a rant. My main complaint was scoped storage.
It took me about an hour to update the softwware, unlock bootloader, and root.
It took about 30 minutes to try and get my Grim Fandango save game file to integrate in Android - Data and that was like A WOW moment for me. Like I never thoght I would see what used to be considered basic copy and pasting of files become difficult.
I don't like this new direction.
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Side note I have ocd and about 25 games. I have 100% save game files for each one. So It means a lot to me to be able to take hundreds of hours of work and port it over from my older devices to my new one. This upgade made that process the most challenging yet
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Google's pixel phone are lemons... Coming from Oneplus this is shame
My dream is that OnePlus and Google team together to make a phone (like Google did with HTC), the refinement, fluidity and speed of OnePlus is something I haven't experienced in any other phone, android or apple, combined that with Google's vanilla OS and you'd have a true flagship phone
Hand76 said:
This thread was a bit aof a rant. My main complaint was scoped storage.
It took me about an hour to update the softwware, unlock bootloader, and root.
It took about 30 minutes to try and get my Grim Fandango save game file to integrate in Android - Data and that was like A WOW moment for me. Like I never thoght I would see what used to be considered basic copy and pasting of files become difficult.
I don't like this new direction.
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Side note I have ocd and about 25 games. I have 100% save game files for each one. So It means a lot to me to be able to take hundreds of hours of work and port it over from my older devices to my new one. This upgade made that process the most challenging yet
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Ye I didn't see the scoped storage as a problem till I came accros it I was like why isn't neutron player able to scan hole thing messaged dev and told me to download a different version I did now I can scan all phone not just one folder I gave it
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By that point Rockstar will have put out the brand new remastered edition and charge everyone all over again
But that's great. So hopefully Rockstar has untill November
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I can certainly see every 2 years a new remastered remastered edition coming out with the only difference is increasing the target API
roirraW edor ehT said:
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So I didn't want to make another post but about a month ago Rockstar updated for the first time in 3 years GTA 3 and Vice City... Only problem was both of them already worked lol
Jump ahead to this:
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Title Update Notes v2.1 (Android) - Rockstar Games Customer Support
[June 27, 2022] - CompatibilityImproved compatibility on recent versions of Android OS and Pixel devicesAdded 64-bit support
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GTA:SA doesn't work but Rockstar is advising it has been updated from 2.0 to 2.1 back in June but the Google Play store still shows the old 2019 version??
Hey everyone,
iPhone 14 Pro Max user here,
What's everybody's thoughts about this phone? Why would an iPhone user who gets top dollar for selling their phone right before/after announcement of the next want to buy this? I ordered the OP 11 for a crazy price of $500 after taxes from an open box deal and was wondering if this phone would be worth keeping.
I used to visit this site to find the latest tweaks and cool tricks you could do with your Android phone and there seems to be pretty much nothing that you couldn't do with a stock OnePlus 11. I am the type to try to not be reliant on expensive subscriptions such as cloud storage, hardware that is just overpriced, and being wrapped up deep into a single brand's ecosystem. I figured I already use Snapdrop instead of AirDrop, AirParrot instead on my Windows laptop instead of AirPlay on an Apple device, my home NAS instead of iCloud, and Windows PC's over expensive comparable Macs. However, I still use a few Apple devices in my daily life.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Apple nor do I feel any reason to HAVE to leave them, but I am always open to other options and I've always had a soft spot for OnePlus ever since the original 1. iPhones are becoming well-polished phones but I feel like iOS is bland sometimes.
In my opinion, OnePlus peaked with the 7 Pro. (It almost got me to switch back to Android) That phone did really everything right to me besides having pretty lackluster cameras. I really was only interested in checking this phone out because I noticed it was one of the only devices that supports Wi-Fi 7, it has incredibly fast charging, and it has USB-C! My iPhone has hardly any weaknesses, so I would really have to be won over big time by an Android phone to make me want to switch.
Do we see a future where, within the next few months to a year, this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality a lot and/or we receive some really neat custom ROM options / mods that really enhance the experience this hardware has to offer?
Something about these OnePlus phones and their bleeding-edge performance in certain key areas still have me wanting one every year. I just have a hard time justifying how I could force myself to use an Android phone living in the United States where all my business/family contacts use iOS for their mobile operating system. I feel like once iPhones use USB-C, they no longer have a camera cutout on their screens, and they can support faster charging speeds, Android will be dead in the US. It's a rough future ahead. For me, I used to love Android for the customization, the fun stuff that iOS would never allow, and that there were just so many choices to decide between depending on what device suited your needs most. Just my thoughts and opinions. Feel free to reply with what you think about this phone or how you navigate having to use an Android in an iOS-dominant country. I could easily switch, but I just don't see any major reason to do so anymore. And seeing the OP 11 forums kind of quiet compared to the old days of Google Nexus devices doesn't lead me to believe that people overall like this phone / are working on anything unofficially to try to improve the phone.
The forums have been relatively quiet for multiple reasons:
1. OnePlus has become developer community unfriendly, almost hostile: it's way too hard/too much work to create/install a different ROM than the official. In addition to that OnePlus has totally disabled full access to its cameras, "this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality" - no, very unlikely to happen.
2. OnePlus once was a flagship killer but in terms of price/features they have been lacking recently. OnePlus 11 is a breath of fresh air in terms of pricing but there are much much more affordable options such as the ZTE Nubia Z50 at $400 or something, which is almost twice as cheap as the OnePlus 11.
3. OxygenOS 13 is not the OxygenOS you may remember, it's a ColorOS facelift. OxygenOS 12 was extremely buggy and incomplete. "OxygenOS" 13 is lacking literally dozens of features present in OxygenOS 9-10-11.
4. Developers in general tinker with their Android phones a lot less nowadays than in the past. The whole development scene has been in decline.
5. Weird update policy doesn't help. I've heard (cannot confirm) that certain older OnePlus devices haven't got updates in the past 8 months.
That's my thoughts which may not necessarily represent the status quo.
To be honest I see no reason to switch from Apple to OnePlus unless you need advanced Android features such as normal file management, downloading any files from the Internet, being able to send files via BlueTooth, modding, various home screens, third party phone/SMS applications, etc. etc. etc.
You just listed pretty much most of the features Apple users don't have anyway so LoL
Unfortunately I have to use iPhone in my work so 3/4 of the day I spend on iOS. Compared to stock Oxygen OS13 (even if hated by die hard Oneplus fans) it is still much better IMO and more configurable than iOS. Apps eco system is different, iOS have generally more stylish apps but most of them if not pretty much every single one that is actually worth consideration is always paid version only.
From birdie's list, only the update policy on Android phones are worse compared to Apple.
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The forums have been relatively quiet for multiple reasons:
1. OnePlus has become developer community unfriendly, almost hostile: it's way too hard/too much work to create/install a different ROM than the official. In addition to that OnePlus has totally disabled full access to its cameras, "this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality" - no, very unlikely to happen.
2. OnePlus once was a flagship killer but in terms of price/features they have been lacking recently. OnePlus 11 is a breath of fresh air in terms of pricing but there are much much more affordable options such as the ZTE Nubia Z50 at $400 or something, which is almost twice as cheap as the OnePlus 11.
3. OxygenOS 13 is not the OxygenOS you may remember, it's a ColorOS facelift. OxygenOS 12 was extremely buggy and incomplete. "OxygenOS" 13 is lacking literally dozens of features present in OxygenOS 9-10-11.
4. Developers in general tinker with their Android phones a lot less nowadays than in the past. The whole development scene has been in decline.
5. Weird update policy doesn't help. I've heard (cannot confirm) that certain older OnePlus devices haven't got updates in the past 8 months.
That's my thoughts which may not necessarily represent the status quo.
To be honest I see no reason to switch from Apple to OnePlus unless you need advanced Android features such as normal file management, downloading any files from the Internet, being able to send files via BlueTooth, modding, various home screens, third party phone/SMS applications, etc. etc. etc.
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It's sad to see! My shipment got delayed and I'm already thinking of not keeping the phone. I feel like OnePlus needs a really strong camera setup before they can finally compete. I use my cameras too much to not have the best out there. The more reviews I watch, the more people say how the S23 Ultra is pretty much a better phone in almost every area besides charging and not having Wi-Fi 7. Not only that, but it seems that the phone also have custom ROM support. Just not trying to spend iPhone money on an Android unless I was for sure going to switch over. The Samsung has me slightly more intrigued...
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It's sad to see! My shipment got delayed and I'm already thinking of not keeping the phone. I feel like OnePlus needs a really strong camera setup before they can finally compete. I use my cameras too much to not have the best out there. The more reviews I watch, the more people say how the S23 Ultra is pretty much a better phone in almost every area besides charging and not having Wi-Fi 7. Not only that, but it seems that the phone also have custom ROM support. Just not trying to spend iPhone money on an Android unless I was for sure going to switch over. The Samsung has me slightly more intrigued...
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SGS23 Ultra currently has the absolute best camera setup of any smartphone on Earth. I've seen its 50MP shots, they are outstanding. OnePlus 11 pales in comparison.
I'd have bought SGS23 Ultra but it's at the very least $400 more expensive which is too much for me.
It's not the best phone out there, but it isn't the worst either. People bash a lot about the color os version of oxygen os. I'm using it and kind of got used to it. It gets the work done. Cameras are very good according to the price. Front camera is mediocre. But the rear is very strong. You can see the reviews. Also it gets better through updates. Lastly and fortunately, a developer got the phone through crowdfunding as far as I know. So development might just happen for op11. Fingers crossed.
OP if you are able why not just use both? I have both OnePlus 11 and iPhone 14 pro max that I use everyday along with my pixel 7 pro. the iPhone 14 pro max has my primary sim in it which I use paired with an apple watch. and I recently made the move to an IPhone in early 2022 full time before that I was android all the way. I still want to use android because as everyone knows it still does things IPhones cant do. so anyways i use my oneplus 11 to mainly listen to podcasts, watch sports and tv. the speakers on this thing are great. maybe the iPhone beats it but not by alot imo. the screen i feel is better than the Iphone 14 pro max. and it acutally has a damn sim card slot which is something I hate that apple got rid of and sadly i see most companies doing in the future. the camera on the oneplus isn't as good but for me i dont care about that.
the only reason besides the apple watch that keeps me on an iphone as my daily is because of a very niche app otherwise i would be on android full time and i would just use the iphone to keep in the know.
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... Apps eco system is different, iOS have generally more stylish apps but most of them if not pretty much every single one that is actually worth consideration is always paid version only.
From birdie's list, only the update policy on Android phones are worse compared to Apple.
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This is why android users are generally categorized as being cheap people. I don't care what platform I'm using iOS, android or whatever if an app is worth it to me then I will pay for it. IMO this is why apple apps perform better than their android counterparts because developers know that people will pay for them so its worth their time.