My P6P (on T-Mobile) was working fine for me on the November release.
I did not sideload the December release.
With the January release, I started to notice significant radio issues.
I am seeing the same issue with the February release and after taking a look, I see that the radio has NOT changed between January and February. (But is a different radio from the November update)
I would definitely like to try flashing the November radio, but my Pixel bootloader is locked and can't be unlocked since it is still carrier locked. (I am working on that.)
In the meantime, is it possible for someone to make a custom OTA sideload package with just the November radio in it for those with locked bootloaders?
The 12L radio is different. I flashed it yesterday (12L factory image) and Signal is back to normal, and switching from Wifi to LTE/5G is much better than it's ever been on my 6 Pro. but its only been 24hours, but worth a try/
Good to know, but if I don't want to go 12L... again, could someone create a custom OTA sideload package with just the radio from 12L?
If this is even possible, which I'm dubious of, you might want to think twice. With a locked bootloader, your recovery options are more limited, so if someone creates such a custom OTA zip (again, if that's even possible to work with an unlocked bootloader), and something goes seriously wrong, it might be either more difficult or impossible to recover.
I would think (and could be completely wrong), that in the event of an issue, I'd be able to flash the original full OTA sideload package to recover.
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I would think (and could be completely wrong), that in the event of an issue, I'd be able to flash the original full OTA sideload package to recover.
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I just wanted to add, I tried flashing a different radio in December after flashing that image before it got pulled, and my phone wouldn't boot (but my bootloader was unlocked so I was able to save it but I wouldn't try it). I suggest you unlock your bootloader and flash 12L on both slots. That's what I did yesterday. Just kind of kill 2 birds with one stone by wiping, reflashing, and using a new build/radio (3 birds I guess?)
Creating a custom OTA won't work. That will break the cert chain and the phone won't validate it and install it.
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I would think (and could be completely wrong), that in the event of an issue, I'd be able to flash the original full OTA sideload package to recover.
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It depends on how badly things went wrong. I would hope so, too, but would be a bigger gambler than someone who has the bootloader unlocked in the same situation. But of course, if you had an unlocked bootloader, you could flash only the radio.img without any customization needed. But as @TonikJDK indicates, the question is effectively moot, anyway.
TonikJDK said:
Creating a custom OTA won't work. That will break the cert chain and the phone won't validate it and install it.
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Interesting. I didn't realize that was in place (signing of the various components such as radio+recovery+bootloader+image), and that the checking was disabled as part of the bootloader being unlocked.
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and that the checking was disabled as part of the bootloader being unlocked.
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I could be wrong, but to clarify, the phone still checks the OTA to make sure it's valid even with an unlocked bootloader.
No one * bothers creating a custom OTA to install their ROMs as it would be more trouble than it's worth to do it that way.
What the unlocked bootloader gets us is the ability to install things in other ways than the normal OTA process.
* Other than possibly more fully developed custom ROMs such as GrapheneOS and such might use the normal OTA method since you can re-lock the bootloader once you're on it - I have no first-hand experience with GrapheneOS other than reading their site and what other users have said about it.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I could be wrong, but to clarify, the phone still checks the OTA to make sure it's valid even with an unlocked bootloader.
No one * bothers creating a custom OTA to install their ROMs as it would be more trouble than it's worth to do it that way.
What the unlocked bootloader gets us is the ability to install things in other ways than the normal OTA process.
* Other than possibly more fully developed custom ROMs such as GrapheneOS and such might use the normal OTA method since you can re-lock the bootloader once you're on it - I have no first-hand experience with GrapheneOS other than reading their site and what other users have said about it.
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Ah yes, you're right. I was overthinking it. The sideload OTA does have a cert, so without the private key, we wouldn't be able to create a new cert to match the custom OTA contents.
I also use T-Mobile and was always using the November radio image whilst still updating everything else to the latest release. I was in the same boat as you with the November radio image working so much better than the others. Granted, right now I'm using the 12L beta radio image as it's (thankfully) much better than the others.
But yeah, with an unlocked bootloader you can flash whichever radio image that you want - even if it's from a different release than your current Android build. It won't cause problems if you know what you're doing and only takes a few minutes. Feel free to shoot me a message once your bootloader is unlocked if you need any help with this.
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I also use T-Mobile and was always using the November radio image whilst still updating everything else to the latest release. I was in the same boat as you with the November radio image working so much better than the others. Granted, right now I'm using the 12L beta radio image as it's (thankfully) much better than the others.
But yeah, with an unlocked bootloader you can flash whichever radio image that you want - even if it's from a different release than your current Android build. It won't cause problems if you know what you're doing and only takes a few minutes. Feel free to shoot me a message once your bootloader is unlocked if you need any help with this.
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Thanks. I've been with Android and Pixel/Nexus for a long time, and other than needing to brush up, I'm still familiar with the ins-and-outs to flashing, etc.
My Pixel 6 Pro is carrier locked, and would have to be unlocked before I could unlock the bootloader. I was just hoping to make my Pixel 6 Pro usable again without having to try to get it unlocked.
Since my radio issues started with the January update, I was hoping the February update would fix things. At first it did seem better, but then the poor behavior returned. And when I realized that the radio was unchanged in February from January, that explained things.
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My Pixel 6 Pro is carrier locked, and would have to be unlocked before I could unlock the bootloader. I was just hoping to make my Pixel 6 Pro usable again without having to try to get it unlocked.
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I feel ya. That's partially why I started buying my phones from the company that makes them (and also because my phone carrier stopped offering any interesting upgrades after being with them for a few years lol). But supposedly, a quick text chat with a T-Mo representative via the T-Mobile app can get your device carrier unlocked via the SIM card if you're polite with the whole thing and ask the right questions. I'm not sure if anything specific needs to be asked or stated, but you could always give that a shot. I just quickly skimmed through a post from someone who did that the other day but I didn't give it too much thought since my device is factory unlocked.
But I wish you the best of luck with your phone service!
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I'm a big fan of flashing roms onto phones, but i'm also a fan of stability and want to continue using official OTA for now. Once the OTAs stop coming, I will be willing to explore keeping my phone up to date via flashing ROMS.
Given the nature of the "fix" to unlock the bootloader (converting it to dev edition), it seems to me this is something that will always work, even in the future. Do you guys agree with that?
If it's not the case, I'd rather take necessary precautions now to get my phone converted over and possibly flash stock/de-bloated ROM going forward.
You guys think it's safe to just take OTAs for now?
I don't think the CID exploit used to unlock the bootloader will/can be patched out, but that exploit needs temp root to work. Who knows if/when temp root will be available for a stock Note 4 on MM?
I would do the dev conversion now. You can always flash a safe upgrade package once the stock MM update becomes available.
I agree. Just wait for a stock "safe" upgrade package to be released. I would at least postpone immediate install of the released official UG to see what it does to the phone.
For me, I have finally got control back on my phone. I went from the note 2 to note 4. I'd still be on the 2 if it hadn't got run over by a car, But the 4 is a good hardware upgrade but I felt it was an overall downgrade with the locked boot loader. Now that I have it, I would stay on 5.1.1 forever if it meant keeping the boot loader unlocked.
Has anyone even heard any info about an update?? I figured it would be outside the window for them to consider it.
rpn377 said:
I'm a big fan of flashing roms onto phones, but i'm also a fan of stability and want to continue using official OTA for now. Once the OTAs stop coming, I will be willing to explore keeping my phone up to date via flashing ROMS.
Given the nature of the "fix" to unlock the bootloader (converting it to dev edition), it seems to me this is something that will always work, even in the future. Do you guys agree with that?
If it's not the case, I'd rather take necessary precautions now to get my phone converted over and possibly flash stock/de-bloated ROM going forward.
You guys think it's safe to just take OTAs for now?
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Don't touch any OTA or boot.img until I look at it and make a post in my OP.
I have a Verizon Pixel XL with unlocked bootloader, TWRP, and root on NHG47K. I have been updating it via sideloading the OTAs since I got the phone. I've seen on the forums that a lot of people flash the full factory image. I wanted to know what the difference was between sideloading the OTA vs flashing the full factory image?
There is not too much difference,
OTA is changing only what has been changed, size varies with 100 MB to 600 MB of more. But if you had some problems with unchanged partitions they may not fixed.
Factory image flashing has bigger size (latest is 1.8 GB), wiping your data by default (manually editing for non wipe is possible), mainly for fresh start even without wiping data.
Thanks for the info. Couple more questions:
1. Does sideloading just the OTA, flip the active slot?
2. Is there a way to check if the April OTA updated the bootloader as well. I'm guessing the May OTA does update the bootloader since applying it has broken TWRP and root for people.
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Thanks for the info. Couple more questions:
1. Does sideloading just the OTA, flip the active slot?
2. Is there a way to check if the April OTA updated the bootloader as well. I'm guessing the May OTA does update the bootloader since applying it has broken TWRP and root for people.
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Hello,
1 - OTA will install on the other slot.
2 - International April version has the same bootloader as March and earlier versions. There is an updated bootloader for Verizon, not the one that breaks Root/TWRP by the way. The May OTA does brake Root/TWRP.
Cheers...
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Hello,
1 - OTA will install on the other slot.
2 - International April version has the same bootloader as March and earlier versions. There is an updated bootloader for Verizon, not the one that breaks Root/TWRP by the way. The May OTA does brake Root/TWRP.
Cheers...
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To clarify your meaning... The May Verizon OTA does or does not break root?
sliding_billy said:
To clarify your meaning... The May Verizon OTA does or does not break root?
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Hello,
Every May releases break Root. It's a general security patch for Pixel devices (as far as I understand).
Cheers...
sliding_billy said:
To clarify your meaning... The May Verizon OTA does or does not break root?
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Applying the OTA or flashing a full factory image does "break" root and TWRP in the sense that you have to reflash TWRP and apply root again. Apparently the May factory image/OTA is applying a new bootloader which is not allowing the re-application of TWRP and root after flashing. Chainfire made a post detailing that it was due to the new May bootloader detecting an unsigned image, ie TWRP, and then not allowing it to boot.
Here is the link to that post: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...signing-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606
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Applying the OTA or flashing a full factory image does "break" root and TWRP in the sense that you have to reflash TWRP and apply root again.
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Hello,
If you try to reinstall Root or TWRP after May OTA I think you are going to have a bad surprise. It's up to you...
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Apparently the May factory image/OTA is applying a new bootloader which is not allowing the re-application of TWRP and root after flashing. Chainfire made a post detailing that it was due to the new May bootloader detecting an unsigned image, ie TWRP, and then not allowing it to boot.
Here is the link to that post: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...signing-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606
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First you say you have to reapply TWRP and Root and now you say it won't allow it... You shouldn't reinstall either TWRP or Root on May bootloader for the moment.
If you want those, flash the April bootloader as stated in other threads talking about the issue...
Cheers...
5.1 said:
First you say you have to reapply TWRP and Root and now you say it won't allow it... You shouldn't reinstall either TWRP or Root on May bootloader for the moment.
If you want those, flash the April bootloader as stated in other threads talking about the issue...
Cheers...
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Sorry, I should have clarified that you are only able to apply TWRP and root to images and bootloaders that were released before the May updates.
You are absolutely right in that that I should not be installing TWRP or Root on the May bootloader because it'll result in bootloops.
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Sorry, I should have clarified that you are only able to apply TWRP and root to images and bootloaders that were released before the May updates.
You are absolutely right in that that I should not be installing TWRP or Root on the May bootloader because it'll result in bootloops.
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Hey,
As a workaround, you can flash April bootloader. It's not a big deal and works fine anyway.
Cheers...
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Hello,
Every May releases break Root. It's a general security patch for Pixel devices (as far as I understand).
Cheers...
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That's what I assumed you meant (that the new BL was in all May builds), but your working sounded like maybe it was left out of the Verizon OTA build. I'm just waiting patiently for a TWRP/SU build that doesn't need me to mismatch the BL. It wasn't like there was any functional reason to upgrade in May.
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That's what I assumed you meant (that the new BL was in all May builds), but your working sounded like maybe it was left out of the Verizon OTA build. I'm just waiting patiently for a TWRP/SU build that doesn't need me to mismatch the BL. It wasn't like there was any functional reason to upgrade in May.
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Yeah. A few posts above yours @savi0 pointed to a Chainfire posts relating the issue. You can also check the last posts from EX Kernel. flar2 posted a link to the latest security bulletin...
Normally, we won't have to wait too long to get back TWRP/Root.
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I'm just waiting patiently for a TWRP/SU build that doesn't need me to mismatch the BL. It wasn't like there was any functional reason to upgrade in May.
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Although I have the Automatic system update option shut off, in the past my Pixel has used cellular data while remaining on the prior version after the update notification appears. I think the phone wasted about 1 GB the last time I didn't take an OTA update. That essentially means I can not take the update and possibly cause the phone to waste cellular data, shut off cellular data to avoid the usage while remaining on the prior version, or take the update. Actually I have seen a fourth option linked below, but that keeps my phone constantly awake and doesn't allow deep sleep, so I never tried the alteration long enough to see if it would avoid cellular data usage if the change was made before the OTA notification.
https://www.androidexplained.com/pixel-hide-ota-notification/
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Although I have the Automatic system update option shut off, in the past my Pixel has used cellular data while remaining on the prior version after the update notification appears. I think the phone wasted about 1 GB the last time I didn't take an OTA update. That essentially means I can not take the update and possibly cause the phone to waste cellular data, shut off cellular data to avoid the usage while remaining on the prior version, or take the update. Actually I have seen a fourth option linked below, but that keeps my phone constantly awake and doesn't allow deep sleep, so I never tried the alteration long enough to see if it would avoid cellular data usage if the change was made before the OTA notification.
https://www.androidexplained.com/pixel-hide-ota-notification/
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Hello,
I don't understand what you mean when you say:
alluringreality said:
That essentially means I can not take the update and possibly cause the phone to waste cellular data, shut off cellular data to avoid the usage while remaining on the prior version, or take the update
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If you have issues, just sideload the latest OTA from Google here:
https://developers.google.com/android/ota
Instructions are available on this page.
Good luck...
alluringreality said:
Although I have the Automatic system update option shut off, in the past my Pixel has used cellular data while remaining on the prior version after the update notification appears. I think the phone wasted about 1 GB the last time I didn't take an OTA update. That essentially means I can not take the update and possibly cause the phone to waste cellular data, shut off cellular data to avoid the usage while remaining on the prior version, or take the update. Actually I have seen a fourth option linked below, but that keeps my phone constantly awake and doesn't allow deep sleep, so I never tried the alteration long enough to see if it would avoid cellular data usage if the change was made before the OTA notification.
https://www.androidexplained.com/pixel-hide-ota-notification/
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I have been concerned about the system using data while waiting to update the phone, but I do not see that happening. I have automatic update turned off in dev settings as well as the google play services notification disables so as not to accidental click it. I see the update available if I look at the check for updates area in system, but it just is sitting at the download and install option there. I have checked my data use since the BL issue came about, and there is no data use besides normal.
Mainly I was just noting that not taking an update can potentially result in cellular data usage, in case anyone wasn't aware of the possible issue. The top items in my cellular data usage were the same as the images in the following thread when I avoided taking an OTA update.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/help/android-os-sucking-mobile-data-t3597680/
savi0 said:
Sorry, I should have clarified that you are only able to apply TWRP and root to images and bootloaders that were released before the May updates.
You are absolutely right in that that I should not be installing TWRP or Root on the May bootloader because it'll result in bootloops.
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Will the factory images (May or after) lacking the "Verizon" designation lock my Bootloader if flashed to a Verizon Pixel XL (That currently has Unlocked BL and TWRP)?
Sorry, but this is getting Hella confusing.
I'm going to update TWRP, then planning on flashing Factory Image 8.1.0 (OPM1.171019.021, Mar 2018) https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/marlin-ota-nhg47q-73c108b9.zip
Do I need to worry about anything flashing this build?
Just trying to make sure I don't screw myself here, as I really NEED an unlocked Bootloader/ROOT... but I'm still running 7.1.1
Wish there was a forum for us with Verizon Pixels and Unlocked BL's...
PrettyPistol555 said:
Will the factory images (May or after) lacking the "Verizon" designation lock my Bootloader if flashed to a Verizon Pixel XL (That currently has Unlocked BL and TWRP)?
Sorry, but this is getting Hella confusing.
I'm going to update TWRP, then planning on flashing Factory Image 8.1.0 (OPM1.171019.021, Mar 2018) https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/marlin-ota-nhg47q-73c108b9.zip
Do I need to worry about anything flashing this build?
Just trying to make sure I don't screw myself here, as I really NEED an unlocked Bootloader/ROOT... but I'm still running 7.1.1
Wish there was a forum for us with Verizon Pixels and Unlocked BL's...
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If OEM unlocking is toggled and your bootloader is unlocked, just assume it is a google version. Flashing a factory image can't lock your bootloader.
shagbag913 said:
If OEM unlocking is toggled and your bootloader is unlocked, just assume it is a google version. Flashing a factory image can't lock your bootloader.
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The "OEM unlocking" setting is greyed out. And underneath it says "bootloader is already unlocked" (slider is to the left).
That is what you mean by "toggled", correct?
Thanks for the reply! I appreciate it greatly.
PrettyPistol555 said:
The "OEM unlocking" setting is greyed out. And underneath it says "bootloader is already unlocked" (slider is to the left).
That is what you mean by "toggled", correct?
Thanks for the reply! I appreciate it greatly.
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Yep.
I have tried to update my chinese XT1635-03 to 7.1.1 with OTA through ADB sideload and unfortunately it is not working.
I have sucessfully flashed the phone with reteu latest firmware with April security patch (ADDISON_NPNS25.137-24-1-9_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml) through fastboot.
But once I try to sideload 7.1.1 OTA (Blur_Version.26.1.22.addison.retail.en.US) the process terminates at 47% with notification that the package expects product name "addison" but actual value is "addison_retcn"
Is it possible to either change the product name or disable such check of product name? It seems to me, that at the moment there is no way to flash OTA and I need to wait for full 7.1.1 image.
Reading similar questions around, I have to ask. Why you people cannot wait couple of weeks to get OTA? Instead of risking to brick your device?
New update is not bringing revolutionary/awesome/amazing/mind blowing... new features. I understand if it's update to completely new Android version or that your device/region will not get update at all.
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You have XT1635-03 and the update is for XT1635-02. So if you have a reteu phone you can really update over sideload without issues. And yes, I need android 7.1.1 and I wouldn't wait one day longer. I need app-shortcuts, because I had this on my old phone, too. There was android 7.1 since the first day. But if you don't have it before you can't miss it. So you can wait much easier For me it was important for other issues, too. For example Wifi problems and stability fixes and over 100 security fixes. Many reasons for the update
Edit: And one more reason for the update: To help google to get more than 0.6% for android 7.1 We should update all, otherwise android 7.1 will never get 1%
Everybody should help to get this 1% maybe next month. So update, just do it for the 1%, yes xD
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The reason is simple: I do not want to use chinese firmware and flashed reteu with fastboot. As OTA channel is still retcn I will not get any OTA over the air. I expected that it is possible to manually sideload OTA but I was wrong as OTA checks the name of the device.
freeman_g said:
The reason is simple: I do not want to use chinese firmware and flashed reteu with fastboot. As OTA channel is still retcn I will not get any OTA over the air. I expected that it is possible to manually sideload OTA but I was wrong as OTA checks the name of the device.
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The point is, how can you change the channel...
freeman_g said:
The reason is simple: I do not want to use chinese firmware and flashed reteu with fastboot. As OTA channel is still retcn I will not get any OTA over the air. I expected that it is possible to manually sideload OTA but I was wrong as OTA checks the name of the device.
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OK, makes sense for you but for many/most others is just matter of time.
I'm not blaming anyone. Do whatever you want with your phone, just be ready if something goes wrong
The surprise was a different phone name. Different channel is usually not a problem
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The surprise was a different phone name. Different channel is usually not a problem
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Flash a custom ROM, I have been warning people not to flash ota's cause eventually your going to end up hard bricked.
There's no possible way safely to change your channel.
Stock firmware that is an ota always has checks during the flashing process, which prevents bricking devices.
I always suggest if your running stock firmware on moto devices then remain on your firmware that is specifically designed for your channel.
If you want the latest that android offers, custom ROMs are your best bet.
I have had many moto devices and almost every brick was so idiot that flashed Firmware and bootloaders and accepted an ota and bam HARD BRICKED
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Flash a custom ROM, I have been warning people not to flash ota's cause eventually your going to end up hard bricked.
There's no possible way safely to change your channel.
Stock firmware that is an ota always has checks during the flashing process, which prevents bricking devices.
I always suggest if your running stock firmware on moto devices then remain on your firmware that is specifically designed for your channel.
If you want the latest that android offers, custom ROMs are your best bet.
I have had many moto devices and almost every brick was so idiot that flashed Firmware and bootloaders and accepted an ota and bam HARD BRICKED
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Oh no, can't go back. What can I do now? But all is working. Can it be that my reteu phone will be bricked after next OTA?
allrightlite said:
Oh no, can't go back. What can I do now? But all is working. Can it be that my reteu phone will be bricked after next OTA?
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I have no idea
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I have no idea
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Is it ever happend?
But is the US-version not always the same as the EU-version? The only difference is over which channel it comes.
allrightlite said:
Is it ever happend?
But is the US-version not always the same as the EU-version? The only difference is over which channel it comes.
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If you are not 100% bone stock and unmodified, there is always some risk when accepting an OTA carrier update. On any device. Some the risks are bigger than others. Moto seems to be fairly high risk in this regard.
If you want OTAs, and you want to be safe, don't modify anything. If you insist on mods (which I usually do, but not yet on MZP) then always update via a manual method, never accept an OTA.
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If you are not 100% bone stock and unmodified, there is always some risk when accepting an OTA carrier update. On any device. Some the risks are bigger than others. Moto seems to be fairly high risk in this regard.
If you want OTAs, and you want to be safe, don't modify anything. If you insist on mods (which I usually do, but not yet on MZP) then always update via a manual method, never accept an OTA.
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I have all 100% stock. And all is working after update. Seems there is really no difference between US and EU channel. Can't find any changes. So OTA should work in future. But sure, there are channel with differences, for example the chinese version is not the same.
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I have all 100% stock. And all is working after update. Seems there is really no difference between US and EU channel. Can't find any changes. So OTA should work in future. But sure, there are channel with differences, for example the chinese version is not the same.
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If you sideloaded an update, you are no longer 100% bone stock. Welcome to beta tester land.
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If you sideloaded an update, you are no longer 100% bone stock. Welcome to beta tester land.
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It feels not like a beta. It's more like a big bug fix with much patches. For example my Wifi is now stable as hell and never reconnections anymore. Hope it keeps stable, but looks very very good. I think this beta will be the final release in few months, or weeks? But it's much better than 7.0. And better than LOS14.1, which is not so stable (on my other phone). And I have no app crashes anymore. Gboard was crashing with 7.0 one time and few other apps like firewall. So, 7.1.1 is pure stable as hell and must have :laugh:
Afaik, it's not beta. It's soak. So, if test users reported as stable, it will be pushed to all as the final build. If not, Moto has to fixed and not all users around the world will be affected.
Regular and recommend way of releasing update.
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Here you can see that it's not test-keys like a nightly from LOS. It's really release keys :laugh:
If you are on XT1635-03 with reteu frmware you will not receice any OTA. My experience told that you can't even sideload an update. So no worry about bricks.
Very often devices are hardbricked when you are downgrading bootloader but once I have hardbricked my Nexus 6 with OTA (sideloading it). Well, it was not full brick, but I can't load the system (only fastboot) and my bootloader was locked. Without system loaded you can't allow unlocking procedure so the first thing I do with new phone is unlocking.
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Here you can see that it's not test-keys like a nightly from LOS. It's really release keys :laugh:
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I know the build is not a beta. I'm referring to the fact that once you leave the official upgrade path, taking any update is a scenario not tested by Moto. So you are testing for them. Maybe you win, maybe you brick.
It seems that the problem with "addison_retcn" may be fixed with editing build.prop but in this case systemless root is required (AFAIK there us no systemless root for Nougat)
I am a bit confused by all the posts about this subject
I would like to unlock my phone, for future rooting, when everything is more stable, meanwhile I want to get OTA updates on the phone "automaticaly", is that possible
You can definitely unlock the bootloader and still receive OTA.
And for your first point, rooting is plenty stable already, so no need to wait for that. Though if you aren't well versed in fastboot or root upgrade processes, you should definitely read all the most recent guides on it to make your transition smoother.
Thank you :good:
I did my share of rooting with Samsung S1, S3 and S5
Then bougth an LG V10, had to buy a "IMAGE" from a Chinese guy, using Alibaba "paypal" in chinese, to be able to activate LTE 20
Have been quiet for a couple of years, and didnt really have the need to root to have the V10 doing what I wanted, but want to be able to root if I have too much free time
melorib said:
Thank you :good:
I did my share of rooting with Samsung S1, S3 and S5
Then bougth an LG V10, had to buy a "IMAGE" from a Chinese guy, using Alibaba "paypal" in chinese, to be able to activate LTE 20
Have been quiet for a couple of years, and didnt really have the need to root to have the V10 doing what I wanted, but want to be able to root if I have too much free time
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You will probably find this less confusing than Odin. But you need to read up on using latest SDK, adb, fastboot, etc.
We're now using Magisk to root and be able to use Paypal.
wtherrell said:
You will probably find this less confusing than Odin. But you need to read up on using latest SDK, adb, fastboot, etc.
We're now using Magisk to root and be able to use Paypal.
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Thanks, I work with IT, and already used adb to enable LTE frequencies on my LG V10. And of course I have been reading about Magisk, but will wait for more stable versions
melorib said:
Thanks, I work with IT, and already used adb to enable LTE frequencies on my LG V10. And of course I have been reading about Magisk, but will wait for more stable versions
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There's issues with Magisk and some other phones, but topjohnwu has a Pixel 2 I believe, so he tests on that.
Magisk for our phones is perfectly stable, the only issue is people don't like the dtbo image being edited to remove AVB 2.0/dm-verity.
My bootloader is unlocked on my XL 2 and I am on Verizon. I have yet to get the January OTA. I haven't gotten an OTA since I got the phone in October
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My bootloader is unlocked on my XL 2 and I am on Verizon. I have yet to get the January OTA. I haven't gotten an OTA since I got the phone in October
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Strange, there was at least an update in January
Nov, Dec and January .....I have had to flash the full image if all 3. No OTA has ever come to this device
canemaxx said:
Nov, Dec and January .....I have had to flash the full image if all 3. No OTA has ever come to this device
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Why? I want OTA updates...
I'm not sure why they just have not come to my phone.
canemaxx said:
I'm not sure why they just have not come to my phone.
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You only unlocked the bootloader? Maybe because it is Verizon, the bootloader is supposed to to be locked!
I can't see that being the reason as I bought the phone from the Google store
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I can't see that being the reason as I bought the phone from the Google store
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Sounds strange, maybe you updated before OTA was available for Verizon...
In 2 weeks I get mine, going to unlock before any update, it was bought December, so it has at least one update missing...
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I can't see that being the reason as I bought the phone from the Google store
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You can buy the locked Verizon phone from the Google Store, but apparently you ordered the correct one (unlocked, carrier free). Devices on the Verizon network (both locked and unlocked) receive regular OTAs, so don't worry- the status of the bootloader has nothing to do with why your device hasn't received the update yet. The difference is having the unlocked variant, you don't have to use Verizon specific images, and you can change carriers at any time, including internationally. Usually with just a SIM card change.
The OTA updates are staged randomly and roll out over a couple of weeks. Your OTA will eventually come by itself. Sometimes people wait a month (or even longer). If you don't want to wait, then just download the OTA and sideload it. Every month, the new OTAs (and full images) are posted by Google. You are free to download and flash them. Instructions on how to do this are provided by Google at the top of the download page. You don't even need to be bootloader unlocked to sideload OTAs.
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You can buy the locked Verizon phone from the Google Store, but apparently you ordered the correct one (unlocked, carrier free). Devices on the Verizon network (both locked and unlocked) receive regular OTAs, so don't worry- the status of the bootloader has nothing to do with why your device hasn't received the update yet. The difference is having the unlocked variant, you don't have to use Verizon specific images, and you can change carriers at any time, including internationally. Usually with just a SIM card change.
The OTA updates are staged randomly and roll out over a couple of weeks. Your OTA will eventually come by itself. Sometimes people wait a month (or even longer). If you don't want to wait, then just download the OTA and sideload it. Every month, the new OTAs (and full images) are posted by Google. You are free to download and flash them. Instructions on how to do this are provided by Google at the top of the download page. You don't even need to be bootloader unlocked to sideload OTAs.
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Thanks I know how to sideload or flash the full image but just was hoping I wouldn't have to again and again
Are your phones enrolled on the Android Beta Program ? My P2 was and I never got the Jan. Update till I Unenrolled from the beta program. Immediately afterwards I checked and Jan update was available.
Hey, I'm on 210817.036 (Nov. 2021) on an unlocked Pixel 6 Pro.
I was finally able to unlock it today from AT&T and wondering if I should update to the latest Android update before rooting.
Thanks for any advice!
I wouldn't bother, because OTAs take longer than flashing full firmware. i.e. As part of the rooting process, I would go ahead and flash the latest full firmware instead.
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Get the Google USB Driver
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Oh OK! I didn't realize I could flash the full image of a higher version directly over an older version as part of this process. Thank you!
Oh and also I didn't know if patches above Nov. 2021 made things worse or not.
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Oh OK! I didn't realize I could flash the full image of a higher version directly over an older version as part of this process. Thank you!
Oh and also I didn't know if patches above Nov. 2021 made things worse or not.
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You're welcome!
I never had any issues at all, even with the fingerprint reader, from the end of October when I received mine through the second February patch. Hopefully, yours will be the same way.
At worst, once you unlock the bootloader if you have any issues with how things run, you can always flash any firmware you like. Be careful. You can also accidentally flash the wrong firmware. Coincidentally, I accidentally gave you a link to the official flashing site, which is good for staying stock unrooted, but if you're going to be rooted, I actually recommend the Pixel 6 Pro Factory Images. Just only ever use images that have Raven in the name as flashing the wrong thing can make it so that your phone would be unrecoverable.
Forgive me if I'm repeating anything you already know.