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USA 5.0 Discussion.. Who in The US has got the 5.0.1 update?

So I know there are a few other threads but I could not quite figure out who in the US has actually got the update and it seems most of the ones I see and look are outside the US and the ones saying they have not got it are in the US. Is there confirmation that people in the US are getting the update? I have tried the reset trick uninstalling android wear and moto connect and clearing Bluetooth but I have had no luck and I see others freaking out about it so I thought if we had a more clear answers Who and where they live that got that update? I know some have said on the wear roll outs it seems to not matter the region but it seems to or at least for US and Non US.

I guess the option "Did not get the 5.0.1 update, do not live in the US" was left out?

I guess I should have added it and i tried to delete the thread to add it. I was making a US thread because I had seen others for other areas so I guess I just didn't think to put it. my bad.

I got the update on Thursday during the day. I am in Florida, bought the watch from Best Buy. I did not need to reset the watch to see the update, but I did upgrade the Android Wear app to the latest version.

I live in AZ and am still anxiously awaiting to see the update. I did get the Android Wear update, but nothing for the watch .

I live in the Boston Mass area and i got the update on like Tuesday.
my real passion is to hack this baby up but i was having a b1tch of a time getting my usb interface i built to work.

Los Angeles, CA
got both the same day on thursday. did not even know there were updates as i dont keep up with these forums. i DID come here once I saw the update to see what it was about....

Well maybe they are doing big cities and moving there way in Ugh I wish they would just get to it or I could get this thing to mount via USB I have never had so much trouble with a cord.

New Jersey, update for android wear on Thursday - No update for my watch yet.

I don't think it has anything to do with cities. It's all about your Google account and what position it's in to receive the update. I'm in Pasadena (literally right next to Los Angeles) and i have yet to receive an update. This is without resetting the watch, or doing any other ridiculous tricks just to get it.

freeza said:
I don't think it has anything to do with cities. It's all about your Google account and what position it's in to receive the update. I'm in Pasadena (literally right next to Los Angeles) and i have yet to receive an update. This is without resetting the watch, or doing any other ridiculous tricks just to get it.
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Im in Fall River,MA and i am still waiting for the update. I do have the updated Android Wear app. My girls G watch recieved the update yesterday. and i have reset this mother like fifteen times since my girl got hers, lmao

I got it but I had to force it.
Try this, it has worked for 3 other people.
1: Make sure your Google Play Services and Android Wear apps are updated to the latest versions using apkmirror.com (NOT the play store)
2: Remove BT pairing, "Forget device" from within the Wear app, wipe Wear apps data
3: Reset the watch
4: once booted and paired immediately go to settings/update and check for it. Within the first 3 times it should download it.
Again its not completely proven, but I've seen it work 3 times before including myself.

altimax98 said:
I got it but I had to force it.
Try this, it has worked for 3 other people.
1: Make sure your Google Play Services and Android Wear apps are updated to the latest versions using apkmirror.com (NOT the play store)
2: Remove BT pairing, "Forget device" from within the Wear app, wipe Wear apps data
3: Reset the watch
4: once booted and paired immediately go to settings/update and check for it. Within the first 3 times it should download it.
Again its not completely proven, but I've seen it work 3 times before including myself.
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Did this. No luck.

gtg465x said:
Did this. No luck.
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Clear data from Android wear and Moto connect. Uninstall both apps. Reset Moto 360. Install wear and connect. Pair watch. Check update and should get it.
That's what I did. I'm in Orlando, Florida. Have had the update for about 3days

altimax98 said:
I got it but I had to force it.
Try this, it has worked for 3 other people.
1: Make sure your Google Play Services and Android Wear apps are updated to the latest versions using apkmirror.com (NOT the play store)
2: Remove BT pairing, "Forget device" from within the Wear app, wipe Wear apps data
3: Reset the watch
4: once booted and paired immediately go to settings/update and check for it. Within the first 3 times it should download it.
Again its not completely proven, but I've seen it work 3 times before including myself.
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I did it 4 times. Didn't work.
I think I'm done with the tricks.

I am not from USA (I live in EU), but i bought my watch in USA and recieved update on Thursday.
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I tried the tricks too with no luck. I don't care anymore I'll get it when I get it.

Qbancelli said:
I did it 4 times. Didn't work.
I think I'm done with the tricks.
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I did it like 40+ times with no luck so I made a usb cord to mount the watch and forced the update via shell side loading

tlxxxsracer said:
Clear data from Android wear and Moto connect. Uninstall both apps. Reset Moto 360. Install wear and connect. Pair watch. Check update and should get it.
That's what I did. I'm in Orlando, Florida. Have had the update for about 3days
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Like I said before, I did all of that. Twice. Didn't get the update. It still requires some luck apparently.

Apps Not Automatically Updating

I'm not sure if this is an issue with the Pixel 2 XL or an Android OS bug but it's happening on my Pixel 2 XL so I'm adding here.
I have the Google Play Store app set to automatically update apps when connected to WiFi but apps are not updating. I've been connected to my home wifi for several hours and there are still apps waiting to update.
Anyone else having this issue?

jimv1983 said:
I'm not sure if this is an issue with the Pixel 2 XL or an Android OS bug but it's happening on my Pixel 2 XL so I'm adding here.
I have the Google Play Store app set to automatically update apps when connected to WiFi but apps are not updating. I've been connected to my home wifi for several hours and there are still apps waiting to update.
Anyone else having this issue?
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I feel like it automatically downloads when on WiFi and connected to power even though there's no setting for power connected.
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I'm having this issue too....mine doesn't auto update...even when connected to power and wifi.

I have the same problem. I've literally tried everything I could think of.

Yes! Bump! I've actually been having this problem as far back as February (at least that's around when I noticed) and had been meaning to make a thread, but hadn't gotten to it 'til now; and XDA showed this thread when I was creating so, I'll be pleading here...
I, too, FOR THE LIFE of me can't correct this...!
My setup: running Oreo 8.1 May update, rooted, Flash kernel, TWRP 3.2.1-2 custom recovery, a few Magisk modules (see sig).
Troubleshooting: rebooted, plugged phone in, allowed all permissions and ability to modify system settings, I've changed it to auto-update apps "at any time" (both mobile data & wi-fi), when updating to May patch I wiped the System partition and flashed the May Full Factory image, cleared Play Store app cache, cleared Play Store app data, uninstalled Play Store updates, Disabled Play Store - then Enabled, uninstalled Google Play Services updates / reset to factory version, and finally manually updated Google Play Services.
Anyone, any thoughts/ideas/advice?! I had hoped the last 3 months' security patch updates might fix this, but since it hasn't, my last hope is here...! :begging:
P.S. I am hoping that flashing a full factory image with the -w intact/included is not the last and only option...

simplepinoi177 said:
Yes! Bump! I've actually been having this problem as far back as February (at least that's around when I noticed) and had been meaning to make a thread, but hadn't gotten to it 'til now; and XDA showed this thread when I was creating so, I'll be pleading here...
I, too, FOR THE LIFE of me can't correct this...!
My setup: running Oreo 8.1 May update, rooted, Flash kernel, TWRP 3.2.1-2 custom recovery, a few Magisk modules (see sig).
Troubleshooting: rebooted, allowed all permissions and ability to modify system settings, I've changed it to auto-update apps "at any time" (both mobile data & wi-fi), when updating to May patch I wiped the System partition and flashed the May Full Factory image, cleared Play Store app cache, cleared Play Store app data, uninstalled Play Store updates, Disabled Play Store - then Enabled, uninstalled Google Play Services updates / reset to factory version, and finally manually updated Google Play Services.
Anyone, any thoughts/ideas/advice?! I had hoped the last 3 months' security patch updates might fix this, but since it hasn't, my last hope is here...! :begging:
P.S. I am hoping that flashing a full factory image with the -w intact/included is not the last and only option...
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I've said it before that, for me at least, I've noticed it only auto updates when plugged in even if I have plenty of battery like greater than 50%. I'm set to auto update on WiFi only. I'll go into the app store and see I have a handful of update, plug in, and see them to start downloading.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I've said it before that, for my at least, I've noticed it only auto updates when plugged in even if I have plenty of battery like greater than 50%. I'm set to auto update on WiFi only. I'll go into the app store and see I have a handful of update, plug in, and see them to start downloading.
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I eventually noticed as well that it only updates when plugged in. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with how charged the battery is but I haven't looked too closely at that.

....yea...I've also plugged in as well, i'll edit to reflect that...
...BUT I think I'm onto something...does anyone/everyone that has this problem have Titanium Backup installed and running btw???

Same, only auto updates when plugged in...
I always have Titanium which is running normally... Awesome app!

Yea...I get that apps are really only automatically updating when plugged in. But assuming even that isn't allowing apps to automatically update....
i'm more wondering if @upperbladez and @smokeythebear3 have Titanium Backup installed; as that's what was stopping the updating the apps automatically....

simplepinoi177 said:
Yea...I get that apps are really only automatically updating when plugged in. But assuming even that isn't allowing apps to automatically update....
i'm more wondering if @upperbladez and @smokeythebear3 have Titanium Backup installed; as that's what was stopping the updating the apps automatically....
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I do not have Titanium Backup Installed...I don't have any power saver apps either. It's really agitating

upperbladez said:
I do not have Titanium Backup Installed...I don't have any power saver apps either. It's really agitating
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Yeah...I had really high hopes earlier as well, but found that it wasn't TB. Because there is a setting in the preferences that deals with auto-updating and it seems that, by default, it sets it to Disabled, but even after Enabling it, it hasn't gotten auto-update to work.
I had inadvertently thought it worked because, at the same time as the TB discovery, I reset to factory settings both Google Play Store and Google Play Services (as I have many times before). This seems to have the auto-update work once, but I can't get it to replicate or do it again after this first initial time. Also, it's hard to debug, troubleshoot, and test because I have to wait some time for a number of apps to need updating before I can see if it truly works or not.
I hope someone has an idea or thought that might explain why or help reach an explanation...

simplepinoi177 said:
Yeah...I had really high hopes earlier as well, but found that it wasn't TB. Because there is a setting in the preferences that deals with auto-updating and it seems that, by default, it sets it to Disabled, but even after Enabling it, it hasn't gotten auto-update to work.
I had inadvertently thought it worked because, at the same time as the TB discovery, I reset to factory settings both Google Play Store and Google Play Services (as I have many times before). This seems to have the auto-update work once, but I can't get it to replicate or do it again after this first initial time. Also, it's hard to debug, troubleshoot, and test because I have to wait some time for a number of apps to need updating before I can see if it truly works or not.
I hope someone has an idea or thought that might explain why or help reach an explanation...
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Yeah it's so agitating?

I think I figured it out....[GUIDE] included!
I think I figured it out (at least in my case) -- but I think it's probably applicable to most any other(s) who are having the same issue...
First of all, if you have Titanium Backup, make sure to set Default auto-update app to Enabled
Go to Menu
Preferences
Go to Restoration Settings
You will find Default auto-update mode in the section; 4th on the list within that section
Go to Google Play Store App Info
Clear Cache (inside Storage)
Clear Data (also inside Storage)
Disable the app
Click OK when warned that it will "replace this app with the factory version..."
Go to Settings, Apps & Notifications, See all ### apps
At the top right, select the 3 verticle dots and select "Show system"
Find and select Google Play Services
Clear Cache
Go back to App Info (back arrow; arrow pointing left), at the top right, select the 3 vertical dots and select "Uninstall updates"
Click OK when warned that it will "replace with the factory version..."
Reboot
Download the latest Google Play Services
HERE'S one place you can find it and/or you can Google search to find other copies yourself...
Pick the newest latest version (beta if you wish to be on bleeding edge but stability not ensured)
Choose the Android 8.0+ variant
Download the "arm64 + arm" & "nodpi" one
Install the latest Google Play Services using the file you downloaded
Reboot
Go back to Google Play Services App Info (show all ### apps, show system, etc.)
Clear Cache (of Google Play Services)
Go back to "show all ### apps"
Select the drop-down menu and select Disabled
Select Google Play Store
Clear Cache and Data (of Google Play Store inside Storage)
Plug Phone to charger
Launch Google Play Store
Select the 3 stacked horizontal lines on the top left and go to Settings
Select and configure how you wish to auto-update apps
Click on Play Store version (all the way on the bottom)
After pressing OK (it'll most likely say Play Store will update soon), it may or may not begin downloading components for the Play Store. After a bit, it may or may not actually begin auto-updating...
In the few instances I've done this and on the 2 pixel 2's I have access to, the auto-updating may begin soon after (within 2 minutes), or eventually (sorry for vague description, but I had thought these steps didn't work and wasn't paying attention and after a while, I saw it auto-updating!).
Also, it still seems that it'll auto-update only while plugged in charging. That particular bug/requirement hasn't been resolved, but as this is specifically an auto-update troubleshooting thread.......
Hope this helps any/all who is having the same issue. I hope (but am doubtful) that this will work for everyone; but if it doesn't, I'd have to say that it might be something with your ROM (stock or custom), settings (system or another app interfering [As I found out TB actually might/does]), or some very unique bug because this is probably the most comprehensive app reset for Google Play. It's kind of overkill, but you might have some luck going the "last resort" route and flashing the Full Factory image in hopes it'll fix the system and app comparability issues (if that is indeed the reason...).
In the end, I hope this helps any who might be having this issue....:victory::highfive:

I have this same issue. I tried wiping Google Play cache/data and had a hell of a time getting it to show my installed apps after that. I don't have TB installed so I'm not really sure what's going on. It's a PITA having to manually update apps all the time.

corywf said:
I have this same issue. I tried wiping Google Play cache/data and had a hell of a time getting it to show my installed apps after that. I don't have TB installed so I'm not really sure what's going on. It's a PITA having to manually update apps all the time.
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Yeah....but maybe uninstalling Google Play store (not just cache and data and actually reverting to an older version) and doing the same (sorta) towards Google Play Services is the critical difference (as shown in my guide)... Hopefully that sorts ya out...!:good:
Good luck to ya!

I'm set to auto update over WiFi, and I've never actually paid attention.. but my apps are always updated and I get the notification stating that 13 apps were updated... So it must be working on my end?
EDIT: Not sure if it would make a diff, but I am running latest DU...

Az Biker said:
I'm set to auto update over WiFi, and I've never actually paid attention.. but my apps are always updated and I get the notification stating that 13 apps were updated... So it must be working on my end?
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Yes, that's "the dream" . For us/me, that wasn't happening -- for whatever reason; whether it was set to do it over WiFi or both mobile & WiFi.
I used to not pay attention either, until I went and checked and kept finding a list of 50+ apps needing to update and/or all these apps were outdated every 3 or so days! Then I realized I hadn't been getting that which you are experiencing... And, as @corywf as stated, it can get quite tedious and annoying having to manually "Update all" every few days just to keep all the apps up-to-date! (Curious note: I never realized how many times in a small number of days certain apps actually update; it's like every 2 days! Which is nice and good to say towards the app as the devs are continuously working on it -- Instagram, Nextdoor, and Chrome come to mind -- but certainly rather annoying when manually "keeping up") Especially when we've all experienced these things happening automatically and in the background...

I had this issue since the Feb or March update I think but since flashing the May update, apps are back to updating automatically

Tebor said:
I had this issue since the Feb or March update I think but since flashing the May update, apps are back to updating automatically
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That's good! I believe it was around the same time I noticed the issue as well (although as said in my last post, this is usually something that is in the background and done automatically so I can only say it was around this point). I'm glad flashing the latest update worked -- I'm wondering, did you flash a Full Factory or an OTA? -- and hopefully it works for others. But, unfortunately, I had Full Factory flashed to the May update with no such luck. It took my guide (a little up above) to fix it on me and my gf's Pixel 2 (non-XL)...
Cheers! :highfive::victory::good:

General New Play System Update

Just had a new Play System Update 55mb. I'm now on Nov 1 instead of the August 1 after the last update.
https://imgur.com/a/yknsVGp

Same here.

Still on September. Won't find any update.
There is no way to force/sideload this, right?

@m1ckbr1t
Thanks for the heads up.
I have been checking a couple of times per week to update to the November patch, but I hadn't checked since Wednesday last week; I didn't realize the update was there until I saw your post

I went from Nov. 5 to Nov. 1

I got that update yesterday. My phone rebooted after it downloaded. Did the reboot happen to anyone else.

Bxrider117 said:
I got that update yesterday. My phone rebooted after it downloaded. Did the reboot happen to anyone else.
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Yes it did

Bxrider117 said:
I got that update yesterday. My phone rebooted after it downloaded. Did the reboot happen to anyone else.
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I thought the phone had rebooted yesterday but wasn't sure. This explains it.
I am on Nov 5.
But Google needs to fix bugs, not just security updates. Like the camera overprocessing, the screwy 4x zoom which is not used at times when chosen by the user, the sub-optimum battery, and the constant requests for PIN instead of FPS, or unlocking with a trusted device.

MacGuy2006 said:
I thought the phone had rebooted yesterday but wasn't sure. This explains it.
I am on Nov 5.
But Google needs to fix bugs, not just security updates. Like the camera overprocessing, the screwy 4x zoom which is not used at times when chosen by the user, the sub-optimum battery, and the constant requests for PIN instead of FPS, or unlocking with a trusted device.
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I've had none of these issues

MacGuy2006 said:
I thought the phone had rebooted yesterday but wasn't sure. This explains it.
I am on Nov 5.
But Google needs to fix bugs, not just security updates. Like the camera overprocessing, the screwy 4x zoom which is not used at times when chosen by the user, the sub-optimum battery, and the constant requests for PIN instead of FPS, or unlocking with a trusted device.
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have you guys seen this page. I dunno what to think anymore. the hype around Pixels is such a weird thing. I get that there are bugs (and I've had a few glitches) but none of the bugs I've had are even listed here:
Google Pixel 6, 6 Pro, & 6a new updates, bugs, issues, problems tracker
A detailed & continuously updated round-up of everything related to Google Pixel 6, 6 Pro, & 6a updates, bugs, issues, & problems.
piunikaweb.com

MacGuy2006 said:
But Google needs to fix bugs, not just security updates. Like the camera overprocessing, the screwy 4x zoom which is not used at times when chosen by the user, the sub-optimum battery, and the constant requests for PIN instead of FPS, or unlocking with a trusted device.
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When the phone fails to read your Fingerprint (something along the lines of three or four times in a row), it automatically blocks/deactivates the FPS, until you unlock it with your TO KNOW security measure (in your case PIN).
I had it happen to me a couple of times over the course of this month, and it was a tad too annoying to shrug off. I definitely miss my old P4 Faceunlock, never bothered me (except when I wore masks, lel).

I had it as well ... was on Nov 1, update, reboot and still on Nov 1 ...
Note there are two things: (a) security update (Nov 5 in my case) and (b) Play-systemupdate (Nov 1 in my case).
See screenshot.

When I manually checked for a Play System update just now, it told me my update was over 600 MB! Sorry, no screenshot.

roirraW edor ehT said:
When I manually checked for a Play System update just now, it told me my update was over 600 MB! Sorry, no screenshot.
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Damn that's huge for a play system update. You have an unlocked device or carrier?

roirraW edor ehT said:
When I manually checked for a Play System update just now, it told me my update was over 600 MB! Sorry, no screenshot.
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You apparently ordered the supersize version at the drive-thru

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Damn that's huge for a play system update. You have an unlocked device or carrier?
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Yes, I have the Unlocked (and rooted) 512 GB model, using on AT&T. Maybe it hadn't checked for any Play System updates since I rooted - since I waited to root (and disable verity and verification, and flash the stock firmware and wipe) until just a week and a half ago (I think).
I confirm it now says November 1. Thank goodness Settings has search and I'm also glad it remembers my last several searches in settings, even after a reboot.
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You apparently ordered the supersize version at the drive-thru
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LOL!!!!

Lughnasadh said:
I went from Nov. 5 to Nov. 1
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You do realize that Google Play system update (Settings > About phone > Android version > Google Play system update) is different from the monthly security patch (Settings > System > System update), right?

snoopygum said:
You do realize that Google Play system update (Settings > About phone > Android version > Google Play system update) is different from the monthly security patch (Settings > System > System update), right?
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Yes, of course.

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Yes, of course.
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Excellent, because judging by some of the posts here that's not quite universal.
In case anyone is still confused:
Monthly patch - Nov 5
Google Play system Update - Nov 1

any noticeable changes? I'm asked to reboot... but I rather not until the next system update

Question How to Disable OS Updates?

Totally satisfied with 11.2.9.9 and wish to disable updates for good-ish. I did this on my Pixel 3XL and needed to jump through some hoops to stop the insistent nag pop up but got it done with help from XDA good guys. Like the Pixel, the notification does not allow to be silenced or disabled so need to dig deeper. I don't want to delete or uninstall the updater service but am open to freezing it if that won't cause any other issues. I'm rooted of course. Help would be appreciated, Thanks

I'm not sure turning down the already sporadic security patches released for Android phones is a good idea to start with, refusing them while rooted is an even worse plan.

With prevalent betaware updates makes sense for some to stay stable for once AFWall+

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With prevalent betaware updates makes sense for some to stay stable for once AFWall+
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That would be reasonable if the betas weren't explicitly opt-in. Blocking consumer release updates is an entirely different kettle of fish.

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With prevalent betaware updates makes sense for some to stay stable for once AFWall+
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Nailed it Mr Vision -
My phone is 90% de-googled so my biggest security risk has been neutralized.

I usually freeze the update service app in between updates to avoid the nagging while I'm waiting on a full zip to be released, or if it's just an inconvenient time for me to mess with it. It has never caused any issues other than the obvious: if you try to select System Update from Settings while frozen it will force close. Just unfreeze the update service when you're ready to update.
That said, I'm in agreement with other folks who say not taking security updates on a rooted device "ever" is generally a bad idea. New kernel exploits are discovered all the time, and plenty of core system packages have the potential for vulnerabilities.

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I usually freeze the update service app in between updates to avoid the nagging while I'm waiting on a full zip to be released, or if it's just an inconvenient time for me to mess with it. It has never caused any issues other than the obvious: if you try to select System Update from Settings while frozen it will force close. Just unfreeze the update service when you're ready to update.
That said, I'm in agreement with other folks who say not taking security updates on a rooted device "ever" is generally a bad idea. New kernel exploits are discovered all the time, and plenty of core system packages have the potential for vulnerabilities.
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Thanks.
I would keep my phone updated but the ColorOS 12 update pretty much ruined the perfect experience. I'll update in a few months. Hopefully, they'll fix all the issues by then.

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Yes thanks for the reminder this is possible. I went ahead and froze com.oneplus.opbackup. My setup is safely locked in until I decide it needs to be changed!
Maybe some folks from this thread will see my thread lol and rethink the early adopter or as I like to call it, guinea pig strategy.
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Besides the general low quality of this piece of software, here are some specific pains: 1. SafetyNet test fails (no root) - WTF? Can't use any of my work applications because of that. 2. Status bar notification icons don't appear (except for...
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Just use a package disabler, a ADB edit or if your rooted you have even more apps to block OTA updates.
Security in real life isn't an issue with Android 9 or higher unless you do something stupid. This stock N10+ has been running on Android 9 for over 2 years with no updates.
The current OS load is over 1.5 yo, still fast, stable with minimum maintenance. I take a few precautions especially with app installations and downloads. Android 9 and higher are reasonably secure even if Google claims otherwise.
So enjoy your current platform for as long as you want. Don't let updates break your phone... they sure as hell can and do.
Redundantly backup all critical data to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Time stagger backups to them incrementally as an added precaution. Have a plan in place for password resets and bank accounts (which are insured from fraud anyway).
In the case of malware if you can't completely isolate and delete it within an hour or two, go full nuke and reload. It takes far less time to reload then it does to attempt to optimize and adapt to a new OS version.
Fools leave in fear, pragmatists live within reality.

Don't ever update to Android 12 then. Remember, you have been warned. No matter what, stay on Oxygen 11

@blackhawk - Yeah I really like App Manager does all you say plus a whole lot more.
@giaur
Both you guys, EXACTLY! Ran Android 9 for 3 years on my rooted Pixel 3XL, no updates past 9/19 no issues no regrets.

11.2.10.10 is safe. But I dont update to A12 soon.
You can disable the updates very easy.
1st: Settings -> System -> System Updates -> Top right the gear -> Disable Auto download over Wifi
2nd: Settings -> System -> Dev. Options -> Disable "Automatic system updates"

RheinPirat said:
11.2.10.10 is safe. But I dont update to A12 soon.
You can disable the updates very easy.
1st: Settings -> System -> System Updates -> Top right the gear -> Disable Auto download over Wifi
2nd: Settings -> System -> Dev. Options -> Disable "Automatic system updates"
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See the thing is this doesn't stop the random often reoccurring pop-up nag that prompts to download the update. The fear there is the potential for an accidental tap. I don't want the giant update file hanging out on my phone ready to spring into gear at the slightest wrong move on my part. Maybe the tap would be interpreted by the phone as an overide to the 'disable' option selected in Dev Options. Don't know, don't want to find out.

Then use a fire wall and allow apps you want. I never got a update notification since I have the phone. I always updated it by myself.

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See the thing is this doesn't stop the random often reoccurring pop-up nag that prompts to download the update. The fear there is the potential for an accidental tap. I don't want the giant update file hanging out on my phone ready to spring into gear at the slightest wrong move on my part. Maybe the tap would be interpreted by the phone as an overide to the 'disable' option selected in Dev Options. Don't know, don't want to find out.
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Use service disabler from playstore to disable system updater(requires root)

chetqwerty said:
Yes thanks for the reminder this is possible. I went ahead and froze com.oneplus.opbackup. My setup is safely locked in until I decide it needs to be changed!
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Yes goofy to quote myself but wanted to post an update that sadly this only worked for about a month then the nags returned even though the com.oneplus.opbackup service was frozen. Getting the system update nags every other day after they stopped for a month. Gotta figure this out, I'm sure that sinister google has their hand in this someway!

Question App preferences being reset?

Recently I've noticed Battery optimisation for restricted apps, PIP preferences and usage access preferences are being reset to default after a restart. Is this happening to anyone else?
Completely stock, used Kiri and radioactive kernel. Flashed factory and locked then unlocked BL and tried again not sure what is happening

Same here. Lost all battery app settings yesterday when updating to A13.

t0m2k said:
Same here. Lost all battery app settings yesterday when updating to A13.
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Do your settings also revert after a few restarts?

Paz9 said:
Do your settings also revert after a few restarts?
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i think not ill test that out later! Had the same battery app reset after switching from A12 stable to QPR 12.1 Beta.

t0m2k said:
i think not ill test that out later! Had the same battery app reset after switching from A12 stable to QPR 12.1 Beta.
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Strange, im not on beta, the reset happens randomly, generally after a few consecutive restarts

It seems that I am not the only one who enounters this issue. This is really annoying.

App preferences started resetting again after a reboot
Not sure what or why, was on stock when it happened, so definitely not kernel behaviour
Very strange behaviour, had to sign into my backup app again also.

Starting to suspect android intelligence service
Seems to reset after it updates

Paz9 said:
Starting to suspect android intelligence service
Seems to recent after it updates
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yes that is/was my take too.

I am facing the same issue. Did anyone find a solution?

Same here. I've been dealing with it for a couple weeks now except on my Pixel 7 Pro -- and I think it started after I took the latest Google Play update (the Oct patch that's broken into 2 separate updates via settings > security > Google Play system update)
Like you, I can set restricted battery for ANY app, restrict background data for ANY app, as well as any special permissions like "draw over" or "install from" and they're ALL reset after a phone restart.
I do not believe I was having this issue before the Oct 1 Google Play system update, but I can't be sure because I was doing a lot of things at that same time.
Any word on a fix?

Psychlone said:
Same here. I've been dealing with it for a couple weeks now except on my Pixel 7 Pro -- and I think it started after I took the latest Google Play update (the Oct patch that's broken into 2 separate updates via settings > security > Google Play system update)
Like you, I can set restricted battery for ANY app, restrict background data for ANY app, as well as any special permissions like "draw over" or "install from" and they're ALL reset after a phone restart.
I do not believe I was having this issue before the Oct 1 Google Play system update, but I can't be sure because I was doing a lot of things at that same time.
Any word on a fix?
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I have exactly the same problem with LineageOS 19.1 and 20 for a couple of months. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.
Settings in Servicely, Battery Optimizations and WiFi-access are reset after some reboots. Also the permissions are revoked for SD-Maid, Warden, MyAndroidTools and OfficeReader.
Maybe a developer can give us more information about why this occurs? Is this a new "normal" behavior in Android 12 & 13?
@bgcngm Sorry to tag you, but do you know some developer that could explain this? Forgive me if I did something wrong here.

Abdel1993 said:
I have exactly the same problem with LineageOS 19.1 and 20 for a couple of months. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one.
Settings in Servicely, Battery Optimizations and WiFi-access are reset after some reboots. Also the permissions are revoked for SD-Maid, Warden, MyAndroidTools and OfficeReader.
Maybe a developer can give us more information about why this occurs? Is this a new "normal" behavior in Android 12 & 13?
@bgcngm Sorry to tag you, but do you know some developer that could explain this? Forgive me if I did something wrong here.
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While this isn't a solution, I installed an app called AppOps and set my permissions how I wanted, then I made a backup of the permissions so I can restore them whenever they get reset instead of putting them back manually, it's not exactly a fix but it makes thing easier.

Guys, by cooperation we can fix our problem. Nobody of you tagged a dev with knowledge about roms. I'm quitting replying in this topic.

Same here