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After finally getting music onto my HD7 (long story), here are my thoughts on what is turning into a nightmare handset for me.
1. Set up - First of all, the Connector for Mac software will only access iTunes libraries on a local computer, so if like me you have your media stored on a NAS, you're in the sticky stuff. This also goes for USB sticks and external HDDs.
2. Zune - After finally getting some music on to the phone, I checked out the Zune player component. Coming from an i-device, it took a while to find my way around it, but on the whole, it's quite a nice interface. One thing I don't like is when browsing by artist, instead of giving you the albums to pick, it just jumps straight into playing all songs by the artist. Not a big deal, but slightly annoying.
*EDIT* Actually, scrap that last comment. Double tapping on the artist brings up the artist's albums. Excellent!
3. Sound quality - I use some high quality Denon 'buds and have to say, the sound quality is so much better than my iPhone. It's also very loud. Unfortunately, you do get some background hiss when you're flicking between the icons and have no music playing. There was also some feedback as mentioned below in point 4, but when NOT on a call.
4. Call quality - I found this to be pretty decent, UNLESS you're using headphones. You know that feedback ditt-ditty-ditt noise you get when you put a cellphone next to a radio? Well I got that constantly when on a call. Not sure if this is a fault with my phone itself or whether they're all like this. Either way, it's not a good advert for HTC.
5. The screen - After reading about the 'screen tearing' and wondering what it was all about, I now have first hand experience of it. The handset is only 1 day old, so I'm not exactly happy. Does anyone know if this is a hardware of software fault? Have the Mozart or Omnia 7 had the same problem?
6. No gapless playback - A big one for me is this. I've got 200 or so live/dj mix albums, so not having this feature has pretty much made this phone worthless to me. I just don't understand why MS haven't implemented it. If there are no plans to add this, then my HD7 will have to be returned.
Right, that's my take on the HD7. Admittedly, it's not exactly positive, but I have been honest and hope that it will give prospective buyers something to think about.
If I'd have known about some of these things in advance, I would have given the WP7 format a wide berth. This is a shame, as the UI is excellent and there are so many good things about it.
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1. good to know, i didn't know this and hopefully MS will improve on it as they threw it together pretty quick, but who knows... doesn't zune detect the files on NAS though? mine does (well videos anyways, and i've got all sorts of videos formats which all worked), maybe try the k-lite codec pack and see if zune will pick it up then?
2. cool! i'm still getting use to zune myself. i found that if you try and sync an item, and then decide not to sync, there isn't any easy way to just clear it from queue. what you have to do is goto the device, then to sync groups, and remove it from there... bit od, but worked it out.
3. the hissing is most likely hardware related not software related. it is possible that the software could be outputting something to check if it's alive, but i think it's more hardware related.
4. same as 3, i don't believe this is OS related but more hardware related. best thing to do is ask to borrow someone's samsung/LG phone and see if you experience the same?
5. screen tearing? would be hardware as well... i have a HTC trophy which was the phone to show all these screen defects, but luckily i haven't noticed it with mine.
6. gapless playback, that is OS related... and yea they should implement this. Some were saying that it could be to do with the i3 tags? Could you try something for me? try ripping a cd using zune and then see if it plays gapless on zune, if it does, sync it to the phone and see if it's gapless. note though that cross fade (start playing just before the end of the previous sone) isn't available from what i've read.
DaveyBoy72 said:
6. No gapless playback - A big one for me is this. I've got 200 or so live/dj mix albums, so not having this feature has pretty much made this phone worthless to me. I just don't understand why MS haven't implemented it. If there are no plans to add this, then my HD7 will have to be returned.
This is a shame, as the UI is excellent and there are so many good things about it.
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What is a shame is the fact that you're returning the phone because of #6. Are you friggin kidding me ? Wow...
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1. good to know, i didn't know this and hopefully MS will improve on it as they threw it together pretty quick, but who knows... doesn't zune detect the files on NAS though? mine does (well videos anyways, and i've got all sorts of videos formats which all worked), maybe try the k-lite codec pack and see if zune will pick it up then?
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He's using the Connector for Mac instead of the Windows based Zune client. The Connector for Mac is still Beta if I recall correctly so issues like this are gonna get solved eventually I guess.
Basically your complaining about software issues or using a phone as a music player.
Im on my third day of using HD7 all day long and have no problems with it at all.
Zune loaded all my photos and music.
Have not had any screen problems, that could be your one hardware problem.
Sound is fine, though could be louder
No LED alert for notifications. My one complaint.
Everything runs smooth and fast.
I have to say its a nice piece of hardware.
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What is a shame is the fact that you're returning the phone because of #6. Are you friggin kidding me ? Wow...
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For someone who uses their phone primarily as a music player (why carry two things in your pocket), no, I am not kidding you. I could go on all day how iPod/iPhones work with this without problems, but we'd be covering old ground.
Also, it's not just live/DJ mix albums that are gapless these days. I don't know if you listen to a lot of continuous albums, but having a 1 or 2 second gap in a seamless DJ mix kind of defeats the object. It works on the Zune players (and iDevice), so why not on WP7?
To those who suggested using Zune PC to rip new files. I'm on a Mac, so at the moment the Zune software isn't available. I will try a 3rd party ripper though, which might give a different outcome to iTunes. I did try .M4A and .MP3 files from iTunes, but got the same result.
With regard to Connector for Mac, the external drive problem is being looked at and will hopefully be fixed when it moves from a beta release.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone else with a WP7 device, but will try another HD7 in the shop to see if the call interference is there. As mentioned, the earphones act as an antenna for the radio, so maybe it is this that is causing it. After digging around, I've found the screen tearing may be a driver fault and not the hardware itself.
One other minor (good) quirk, is that my Shure iPhone MPA remote/mic partially works with the HD7. It can only stop/start music, but a bonus nonetheless.
New phone
It's interesting each time a new or updated OS and phone comes out we don't really know what to expect or what the limits of the device will be. I went thru this last year (and every other previous year) with Win 6.5 on my Dash 3G. In the end I managed to get 100+ apps installed and the phone did everything except my laundry. I have a good feeling about WP7 (and my HTC Surround)....I've only had it 3 days and I've customized it, I see more (free) apps every day, and I will bet anyone MS will be implementing a lot of tweaks and new features i.e. spending a lot of money to insure these phones will compete with the others. We are all tweakers here and we want to push the limits..a little patience may be necessary.....it's only 3 days old
DaveyBoy72 said:
For someone who uses their phone primarily as a music player (why carry two things in your pocket), no, I am not kidding you. I could go on all day how iPod/iPhones work with this without problems, but we'd be covering old ground.
Also, it's not just live/DJ mix albums that are gapless these days. I don't know if you listen to a lot of continuous albums, but having a 1 or 2 second gap in a seamless DJ mix kind of defeats the object. It works on the Zune players (and iDevice), so why not on WP7?
To those who suggested using Zune PC to rip new files. I'm on a Mac, so at the moment the Zune software isn't available. I will try a 3rd party ripper though, which might give a different outcome to iTunes. I did try .M4A and .MP3 files from iTunes, but got the same result.
With regard to Connector for Mac, the external drive problem is being looked at and will hopefully be fixed when it moves from a beta release.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone else with a WP7 device, but will try another HD7 in the shop to see if the call interference is there. As mentioned, the earphones act as an antenna for the radio, so maybe it is this that is causing it. After digging around, I've found the screen tearing may be a driver fault and not the hardware itself.
One other minor (good) quirk, is that my Shure iPhone MPA remote/mic partially works with the HD7. It can only stop/start music, but a bonus nonetheless.
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Is your music DRM? With the Zune HD gapless works great as long as it's not with DRM so with my zune pass everything from the pass fails at gapless but works fine with the music I brought to the table without drm
DaveyBoy72 said:
6. No gapless playback - A big one for me is this. I've got 200 or so live/dj mix albums, so not having this feature has pretty much made this phone worthless to me. I just don't understand why MS haven't implemented it. If there are no plans to add this, then my HD7 will have to be returned.
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Why don't you support this idea on the WP7 wish list here
http://windowsphone7community.userv...ral/topics/85023-i-suggest-you-/filter/recent
Done.
None of my music is DRM as I've only ever downloaded 2 tracks in the last 5 years in iTunes.
Most of my music is from CD rips, with the occasional BitTorrent download.
I've still not had a chance to check another HD7 to see if it also produces feedback through the earphones. Has anyone else with an FM radio equiped handset ever had the same thing happen?
honestly I was shocked at the quality of calls on my HD7. I wouldn't call it decent, I'd call it excellent.
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honestly I was shocked at the quality of calls on my HD7. I wouldn't call it decent, I'd call it excellent.
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is that coming from an ex-iphone user?
There are many problems with Wp7, but people have to remember this is a 1st release and only a couple of weeks old. I've had mine for 3 weeks and dispite the shortcuming it's my best phone yet.
I've only had the screen flicker problem once in Zune.
When you say gapless are you talking nearly instant vs absolutely instant or 2 seconds vs nearly instant/absolutely instant?
I have a few albums, some Linkin Park ones in particular that are compiled as a continuous album and i tried it first on the PC zune player. the transition was instantaneous. Then i synced the same tracks to my HTC Surround and played a few and there was about a tenth of a second skip before the next song started. Is that what you are talking about?
*Update*
I've made some progress with the HD7.
1. Finally got Connector for Mac to work properly. It now mirrors any changes in iTunes (eg adding media, playlists, etc) and accesses my NAS no problem. It also syncs ok. Previously I had to use the iTunes library on a local drive, but now it works with the NAS. I had to do a fresh install of iTunes, but it seems to be working now.
2. I've not had any further screen tearing issues. There were a few updates to the HTC apps/front end showing up, so I installed them. Not sure if this has fixed it, or whether I've just been lucky.
3. Gapless playback - Hopefully MS will implement this in the next OS update. I take gapless to mean totally seamless. At the moment, I get gaps of 1-2 seconds at least. Obviously on shuffle or with a regular album it's not a problem, but with an album like Radio Soulwax by 2manyDJs (45 tracks in 60 minutes), it's kind of annoying.
4. The interference! I'm going back to O2 at lunchtime today to try another handset (providing they have one). Still getting that noise when using earphones (my Denon or the supplied headset) and this is noticable with calls, when listening to Zune or the radio, and even when there is no music playing.
Do any other HD7 (or Desire HD) users have this problem??
Note: This is ONLY when using the headphones.
Thanks.
I don't know how you are getting such a long delay in between tracks.. Its barely a split second between mine. Not even close to 1-2 seconds.
Further update.
Popped into O2 at lunchtime. The guy knew exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned this interefence noise, and said they'd had a few others with the same problem.
Anyway, swapped the phone and gave the new one a try in the shop. This worked fine, so hopefully it was just a one-off for me.
Re: Gapless - I was probably exaggerating with the 1-2 seconds, but it's around 0.5-1 second. There's no click and chageover, it's a definite gap.
DaveyBoy72 said:
Popped into O2 at lunchtime. The guy knew exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned this interefence noise, and said they'd had a few others with the same problem.
Anyway, swapped the phone and gave the new one a try in the shop. This worked fine, so hopefully it was just a one-off for me.
Re: Gapless - I was probably exaggerating with the 1-2 seconds, but it's around 0.5-1 second. There's no click and chageover, it's a definite gap.
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I continue to wonder why HTC is regarded as being a top hardware maker, here is yet another indication they are anything but.
efjay said:
I continue to wonder why HTC is regarded as being a top hardware maker, here is yet another indication they are anything but.
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Yes, actually they look like a quite faulty hardware maker...
Software is definitely better from HTC.
i haven't had a bad run with HTC, but I would have easily swapped to samsung (omnia 7) if the carriers here really made it worth while...
Does anyone have the spotify service for their evo 4g?
im planning on paying the 10$ a month for the premium service but i want to know if it is worth it.
anyone care to elaborate on their experience?
Anyone have spotify for their evo?
I tried it for a day. The service works, but didn't have the music I liked. I was able to get a refund because they also didn't include the Radio feature that was advertised very early on launch day.
Be sure they offer the music you want before paying.
I use the free service and it works well for me.
I've had it for about 1.5 years(vpn service and paypal acct setup as uk). I like the service. I find that they have stuff that rhapsody does not.
I have premium and it works over 3g but not 4g. Even when I tether my eee transformer, it stays offline when 4g is on.
I just got it. I personally love it (for now). You must have the premium subscription for the mobile app
ya im trying to pay for the premium service is it actually worth it
Love the app. Totally worth the $10/month if you listen to a lot of music on your phone.
I like it. The downsides are: you're renting music. Occasionally there are play back issues. Spotify doesn't have an intuitive way to find new music save a simple search. With millions and millions of songs on there, it would be awesome to have something like 'find similar artist'. The desktop client may have this, but I've been using it 99% mobile so I wouldn't really know.
Other then that, its the bee's knees
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I like it. The downsides are: you're renting music. Occasionally there are play back issues. Spotify doesn't have an intuitive way to find new music save a simple search. With millions and millions of songs on there, it would be awesome to have something like 'find similar artist'. The desktop client may have this, but I've been using it 99% mobile so I wouldn't really know.
Other then that, its the bee's knees
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check this out
http://gizmodo.com/5821515/the-essential-spotify-tools
Hi,
I'm on the fence of buying a Nexus Galaxy and been researching here and there. This one thing I haven't had experience with before and could not find clear answers searching here and there.
What kind of data usage should I expect If got the GN and used Google Music to save my collection on the cloud and play it over 3g/4g data? I have the 2GB/Mo plan from AT&T.
Well, I listen to a lot of musical genres and have a large collection of MP3s (not MPfree's!).
I never tried the Google Music service since I have a 16GB Atrix 4G with 32GB SD card on to carry "some" of my collection with me always.
*I read a lot posts online by people who are hesitating to buy the GN because of the limitation to 16GB only. I know cloud services are being pushed harder and I'm surprised myself that after I thought of everything and the google music solution to my music collection, 16GB can do! But network data has costs around it, y'know.
I think it's would a nice advertisement/complimentary if Verizon (or other carriers later) would give their GN customers a special offer/discount on data plans considering the nature of the device.
Ah, don't forget my question mates. Your opinion/experience with data usage and Google Music.
Thank you
I don't use Google Music for streaming. Whatever I have is on my phone (not much though). But I can tell you this, if you have a lot of music stored on Google Music (online) then expect to see some high data usage. I have not used any music that is stored by Google (when you select some random genres of music at the time of setting up your account) but my data usage on Google Music player still shows 211 mb used ... I guess that's for syncing or caching all the music on my phone. So atleast initially you will see high data usage and not so much afterwards. My 2 cents ... I hope somebody with more experience would give us real information.
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Hi,
I'm on the fence of buying a Nexus Galaxy and been researching here and there. This one thing I haven't had experience with before and could not find clear answers searching here and there.
What kind of data usage should I expect If got the GN and used Google Music to save my collection on the cloud and play it over 3g/4g data? I have the 2GB/Mo plan from AT&T.
Well, I listen to a lot of musical genres and have a large collection of MP3s (not MPfree's!).
I never tried the Google Music service since I have a 16GB Atrix 4G with 32GB SD card on to carry "some" of my collection with me always.
*I read a lot posts online by people who are hesitating to buy the GN because of the limitation to 16GB only. I know cloud services are being pushed harder and I'm surprised myself that after I thought of everything and the google music solution to my music collection, 16GB can do! But network data has costs around it, y'know.
I think it's would a nice advertisement/complimentary if Verizon (or other carriers later) would give their GN customers a special offer/discount on data plans considering the nature of the device.
Ah, don't forget my question mates. Your opinion/experience with data usage and Google Music.
Thank you
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I wouldnt recommend streaming unless you still have an unlimited data plan. Period. Streaming music adds up quick.
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I use it quite a bit, but I have an unlimited plan. That said, I have never gone over 2GB on my bill. Mostly because I use wifi when I can.
Based on my experience, listening to an album can use anywhere between 30-60mb depending on quality and length.
Google music also caches the album you listen to. Which is nice when you listen to it again it won't be streaming.
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ok, so i dont own the nexus yet, still 1.5 days from possession. but i use google music extensively on my captivate. i have a 16gb phone with 16 gb sdcard, but i kinda like to segregate my music, so i have some on my phone, some on amazon and some on google. i listen to google everyday while commuting to work for 1-1.5hrs, with highest quality option turned on, and everyday my usage is around 50-60mb.i go to work 21-22 days, so its more or less 1gb for google music. i am also on att 2gb plan, before google music i used ~1.1gb per month(used pandora a lot), right now i use 1.6gb.
So yeah, be it pandora, amazon, slacker, or google i use 800-1gb on music every month.
Well, I think we can calculate it.
In the worst case you'd have a 320kbps MP3. When you convert from bits to bytes (by dividing by 8) you get 40kBps.
That means that every minute of music you'll listen to will take use 2.4MB (2400kBps = 40kBps x 60 seconds).
On your 2GB plan, that lets you listen to about 833 minutes of music (or 13 hours straight, or 160 five-minute songs).
That's the worst case which I think you'd only run into if a) you turn on the option in the Music app that forces high quality and b) the song you've stored on Google music is 320kbps.
I hope that logic works out.
Another thing to think about, if you put 6-8GBs of you fav music on the phone, you'd still have lots of space on the phone and significantly reduce the data usage.
BTW....I'm facing the same struggle in my decision on the GN....but I think I may have just help myself decide. LOL
I say blow it all! its juz 10$ per GB!
psycho2097 said:
I say blow it all! its juz 10$ per GB!
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yep. $10 if you go over. even a MB over. blow your load or pay to play?
I have, twice in 1 month...that was when i discovered i could stream porn on my cell!
psycho2097 said:
I have, twice in 1 month...that was when i discovered i could stream porn on my cell!
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galactic.... eh, i won't go there. somebody might be more grossed out than they already are.
pukemon said:
galactic.... eh, i won't go there. somebody might be more grossed out than they already are.
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Cmon... It was funny!
Sent from my cell phone. DUH
psycho2097 said:
Cmon... It was funny!
Sent from my cell phone. DUH
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lol i cant lie i laughed out loud
ballenone said:
lol i cant lie i laughed out loud
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Atleast someone has a sense of humor!
Sent from my cell phone. DUH
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Atleast someone has a sense of humor!
Sent from my cell phone. DUH
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Ya, I'll +1 that. LOL.
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I stream google music through my car 5 days a week to and from work for 45 mins st a time. I used about 1gb in 7 days. On att hspa with galaxy nexus
why dont you do the unlimited data trick. You're already paying 25. What's 5 more
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AdamUpNorth said:
Well, I think we can calculate it.
In the worst case you'd have a 320kbps MP3. When you convert from bits to bytes (by dividing by 8) you get 40kBps.
That means that every minute of music you'll listen to will take use 2.4MB (2400kBps = 40kBps x 60 seconds).
On your 2GB plan, that lets you listen to about 833 minutes of music (or 13 hours straight, or 160 five-minute songs).
That's the worst case which I think you'd only run into if a) you turn on the option in the Music app that forces high quality and b) the song you've stored on Google music is 320kbps.
I hope that logic works out.
Another thing to think about, if you put 6-8GBs of you fav music on the phone, you'd still have lots of space on the phone and significantly reduce the data usage.
BTW....I'm facing the same struggle in my decision on the GN....but I think I may have just help myself decide. LOL
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Very good. Thanks for making it seem clearer now to me.
cpcrazyfly said:
I stream google music through my car 5 days a week to and from work for 45 mins st a time. I used about 1gb in 7 days. On att hspa with galaxy nexus
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Ouch!
g33k3r said:
why dont you do the unlimited data trick. You're already paying 25. What's 5 more
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What is the trick?
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psycho2097 said:
I say blow it all! its juz 10$ per GB!
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easy for you to say in the great white north is $80+ for only 2GB....
I don't think you will use up all 16GB storage other than musics. And how large are your total music collections? Why don't you open wifi and cache all or most favorite music down on GN so you won't be stream when you listen to them. And if you really run out of space, google music will free up some for you without any problem.
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easy for you to say in the great white north is $80+ for only 2GB....
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What the ****???? Really???? Y? 80?? I pay only 20 with my company discount!
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Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
I looked at that phone... it's just way too big. For now I will just enjoy my NS on ICS, but I am thinking about either the SGS2 for my next phone (once it has CM9) or just waiting for the SGS3.
maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
EcPercy said:
Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
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LOL!
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week... I would just like to go from having a phone and dedicated mp3 player to just a phone with all of my music on it.
My Zune.. is nearly 2 years old and has 32GB of storage. You're telling me that a brand new cutting edge phone should be artificially limited to 16GB?
I guess that's what I was getting at. I am at a loss as to why the verizon model has 32GB and the GSM has 16GB. Why even have a 16GB model at all?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
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As far as reliability goes, I wasn't talking about cloud computing being everywhere right now. IT is out there, but not on global/efficient scale. But in a couple of years, with technology advancements, there won't be any more limitations to spectrum coverage, like in tunnels or areas with no/bad coverage. Also, probably no more bandwidth caps as well. So this IS the future, there's no point in arguing about it. Your point was if it's feasible right now. Well, so and so. You can still rely on Google Music if you want, because it has offline storage. And 3200 offline songs storage capability + streaming when you actually can (not in tunnels), can make your life easier, without the need of 64/128 GB storage. So you can still manage this, if you try; that's what I wanted to say.
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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
EcPercy said:
On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
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People seriously need to stop underestimating the Galaxy Nexus hardware, I would dare to say it beats every other phone on the market.
Closest thing would be the iPhone 4S.
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week...
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Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
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That's a very constructive and effective commentary, good job ! I bet mama's very proud of her son's intelligence.
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
BlackOtaku said:
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
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What help can we even provide him with?
Why ask this on a forum, Google are more likely to know the answer.
SamsungVibrant said:
Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Some of us use reasonable listening volumes.
zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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The point is that if you're out and you don't happen to have a certain song you wanna hear on your phone, you can stream it.
It's not meant to be a total replacement.
look, the gnex is the best fone right now. period. and it will be. till the next nexus. get it and you wont regret. the camera and the display will just blow you away. then you will go to the bathroom and come back and turn it on and the display will blow you away again. wat can i say, it has been happening to me every time i turn it on for the past 4 days! Same as you, storage was the biggest concern for me too. But my music and gameloft games fit fine on it, as far as movies go, i just got a usb otg cable and use my existing usb key/microsd. problem solved. for regular use, i would say 32gb is perfect, but 16gb gets the job done quite well, plus usb otg for vids! and i turnd my fone on again and went "wow"!
Gsm its sexier than lte ...
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dario3040 said:
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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I would say you are spot on here, but... I mentioned before that I spend 2 hours a day on the MRT. For those in the USA you would better know this as the Subway. The internet just isn't good enough for constant streaming while moving along in the train and we have TONS of people all checking the internet as well so that makes your speed go WAY down even when you are above ground.
Now that my phone (NS) has ICS I can see what kind of data google music is using, but I am a little sceptical that you can use google music and not go over your data limit for the month. I have a 12GB plan for data, but I am also sharing that data with my GT 10.1 and I watch TONS of YT videos while at work.
Now for everyone else. Don't get me wrong. I like google phones. I have owned the N1 and NS. I am ready for a phone upgrade now, but torn. I want the newest google experience phone. I prefer that to any of the UI addons that come from the manufacturers. I HATE touch UX on my GT 10.1 and I can't wait to get rid of it for CM9 (when it is out on my tab). I can wait if 16GB is all we get for storage. Maybe the 16GB version is all that will come out until Samsung gets the initial demand met and then we will see larger version like a 32 and 64GB model. (who knows right?)
My NS is currently sitting at less than 2GB of free space and my old GT10.1 (also 16GB) was sitting at about 1GB free after I put some cbt nuggets on it to watch while I am at work to prepare for a certification exam. I have since gotten a GT 10.1 (32GB) and I am not hurting at all for storage, but this is not practical to use as an MP3 player while working out...
So that's it. I am not dogging the hardware. I am just questioning the storage decision with more and more apps coming out that have extra downloads after installing the initial app you are going to need more and more space.
How does Google handle the uploading of mp3s that were not legally purchased? I've read articles saying that Google will remove such files from its cloud storage. Lets say I have a "friend" who happened to upload around 4,000 songs to Google Music about a month ago. So far, nothing has been removed or flagged. Is there any truth to the below statement, or is Google just covering it's rear against the RIAA?
"Google has a variety of tools at its disposal to identify illegal files. Via a method known as digital music watermarking, record companies can encode files with a variety information, including when and where the song was purchased..."
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gabster21 said:
How does Google handle the uploading of mp3s that were not legally purchased? I've read articles saying that Google will remove such files from its cloud storage. Lets say I have a "friend" who happened to upload around 4,000 songs to Google Music about a month ago. So far, nothing has been removed or flagged. Is there any truth to the below statement, or is Google just covering it's rear against the RIAA?
"Google has a variety of tools at its disposal to identify illegal files. Via a method known as digital music watermarking, record companies can encode files with a variety information, including when and where the song was purchased..."
More here
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well, I've got about 8.000 'fallen-off-the-truck'-songs on my gmusic cloud for about 3-4 months now and nothing happend so far. I hope SOPA keeps away of that ****
michi_1983 said:
well, I've got about 8.000 'fallen-off-the-truck'-songs on my gmusic cloud for about 3-4 months now and nothing happend so far. I hope SOPA keeps away of that ****
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Same here.
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When i upload my songs i dont delete the local files, that way i have a backup
So, if I (legally) download an album and encode to, say, wma for my own collection thus removing any 'digital watermarking' that may have been on it. Or, even just ripping a cd? Or copyright free music (such as my own personal band, say)? Google then flags these as being 'fallen off a truck'? I bet they're just coving their arses as I don't see how that could properly work.
I had about 11,000 up right when it started. A few months in, I noticed the songs I was listening to most frequently (and I suppose were most popular at that time) were disappearing. I feel like most of the music I was actively listening to disappeared. Which is a shame because I loved the service.. but nothing happened and I wasn't contacted at all.
Waiting for spotify to come to Canada.
Is Google music available outside the US? Maybe that's why?
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Some of my music came from "my days in college where bandwidth was plentiful and the WiFi flowed like milk and honey".
Not one song is missing and most of it (purchased and "collegiate") was uploaded in May.
kangxi said:
Is Google music available outside the US? Maybe that's why?
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Yes and no. You only need to be in the USA (or use a proxy based in the USA) when you create your account. Google is your friend (search for info on Google).
How can Google tell if something is legal or not? If I buy an MP3 album, there'll be nothing to say it's legally bought or not?
Google can't enforce it at all unless they know it's an unreleased track - but being a DJ I can get music months in advance to promo so that covers me for that as well
please do not bash me, I was thinking of going over to the dark side and use itunes music match to:
1. they claim to "put the music back on the truck", i do not think this matters since i have the music anyhow. Would this trick ensure that google with not have issues in the future with "off the truck music"???
2. main reason; upgrade all my music to 256AAC, then convert them back to 256mp3(or ogg). Most of my music is 128-196 bit rate. For 25$ this will update most of my music to a higher bitrate(maybe??)
then reformat or burn my pc to remove itunes.
What do you guys think?
lol +1 for the thread title. lol
michi_1983 said:
well, I've got about 8.000 'fallen-off-the-truck'-songs on my gmusic cloud for about 3-4 months now and nothing happend so far. I hope SOPA keeps away of that ****
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Reasons like these are why we have to worry about SOPA/PIPA
Why do you even need 8000 songs when we have streaming now???
Some people still like to have their own copy of the music, me especially as it's be hard to DJ without the music
I have bittorrented 320, flac, and wav files of records I have spent over 5000 on. I have no intention of using cloud service with att, but they can't legally delete that because I own copies.
NuclearEMP said:
Reasons like these are why we have to worry about SOPA/PIPA
Why do you even need 8000 songs when we have streaming now???
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As a law student, I should say that the popular notion about what SOPA does isn't, strictly speaking, accurate.
Violating digital copyright laws is, and has been, illegal. Its been that way long before i was born. SOPA, by and large, deals with foreign violations of US copyright laws.
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I can tell you that Google Music didn't upload all of my music. In fact, it didn't upload most of it and I download whole CD rips.
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matt30 said:
As a law student, I should say that the popular notion about what SOPA does isn't, strictly speaking, accurate.
Violating digital copyright laws is, and has been, illegal. Its been that way long before i was born. SOPA, by and large, deals with foreign violations of US copyright laws.
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Yes, but the Foreign Violators are feeding the US with copyrighted material.
I'd think google might do a hash check for known illegal copies.
amazon and google music uploaded about 10-20% of my total library
it did it selectively for SONGS too.. not just albums...
i.e., an album of 13 songs, genetically from the same rip, maybe 4 songs would be uplaoded
it seems quasi-random