Hi, i was wondering if its possible to port the face recognition option we used to have on older android versions as a mod on the pixel 6 pro. I believe they used the front camera.
Are there any accuracy problems associated with using front camera?
I just needed a faster option to unlock at work as my hands get kinda dirty and the FP sensor on pixel 6 is sensitive to dust unlike the one on my pixel 3 XL (RIP legend).
If there is a solution that exists already, please forgive my naivety and point me to the thread/discussion for it. Thank you!
I don't think there is currently a solution and I doubt there will be unless Google includes it later.
Can you use smart unlock, with your works WiFi? Or location unlock if it has that?
There were reports that FaceID is in the code, but that it was not used on the P6 because it drains the battery. Since the battery is not great as is, I can see the point. I also wonder how secure it is, as Apple uses dedicated hardware to ensure security (thus the notch), but Google seems to rely on the camera alone -- I assume it's a more secure unlock than the totally inon-secure fake FaceID unlocks on many Chinese phones, like Xiaomi.
On another note, I am trying to use my Garmin watch as a trusted device, but about half the time it doesn't work and the phone would ask for PIN. The trusted device implementation, at least with a watch, is kind of a joke, so I am thinking of disabling it at this point.
I am using Trusted Location. Seems like its working fine. Google 'begs' to have you turn 'on' location function for several of its niceties to work. So security joins the growing pile.
old_fart said:
I am using Trusted Location. Seems like its working fine. Google 'begs' to have you turn 'on' location function for several of its niceties to work. So security joins the growing pile.
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Trusted location is poor security, for many reasons.
Anyone at the location can unlock your phone, so for most of us it's not a solution.
My security is my phone is always on me. I never have left a phone anywhere, lost one, or had one stolen...
roirraW edor ehT said:
My security is my phone is always on me. I never have left a phone anywhere, lost one, or had one stolen...
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Then you don't need to lock it at all. Problem solved
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Then you don't need to lock it at all. Problem solved
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Was about to say this. Wifi/Location unlocking when at work is not a good idea.
There is a reason why we lock our phones, and no human is perfect - you might forget it for a moment, or get distracted - whatever.
If someone doesn't care for security in any way (I am perfect & my phone will 24/7 stay on me, no matter what) then he/she/is doesn't need any sort of security active in the first place.
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Was about to say this. Wifi/Location unlocking when at work is not a good idea.
There is a reason why we lock our phones, and no human is perfect - you might forget it for a moment, or get distracted - whatever.
If someone doesn't care for security in any way (I am perfect & my phone will 24/7 stay on me, no matter what) then he/she/is doesn't need any sort of security active in the first place.
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Yeah until you want to you a service like "Google pay" you have to have a lock on your phone or you can't use it.
ansh1996 said:
Hi, i was wondering if its possible to port the face recognition option we used to have on older android versions as a mod on the pixel 6 pro. I believe they used the front camera.
Are there any accuracy problems associated with using front camera?
I just needed a faster option to unlock at work as my hands get kinda dirty and the FP sensor on pixel 6 is sensitive to dust unlike the one on my pixel 3 XL (RIP legend).
If there is a solution that exists already, please forgive my naivety and point me to the thread/discussion for it. Thank you!
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It can certainly be done, but you'll have to write some of the code for it yourself. There are a number of open source facial recognition packages available that you can leverage for this.
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I don't think there is currently a solution and I doubt there will be unless Google includes it later.
Can you use smart unlock, with your works WiFi? Or location unlock if it has that?
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I work in construction and so there's usually no wifi at work. And the location differs almost everyday so that won't be a viable solution as well.
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There were reports that FaceID is in the code, but that it was not used on the P6 because it drains the battery. Since the battery is not great as is, I can see the point. I also wonder how secure it is, as Apple uses dedicated hardware to ensure security (thus the notch), but Google seems to rely on the camera alone -- I assume it's a more secure unlock than the totally inon-secure fake FaceID unlocks on many Chinese phones, like Xiaomi.
On another note, I am trying to use my Garmin watch as a trusted device, but about half the time it doesn't work and the phone would ask for PIN. The trusted device implementation, at least with a watch, is kind of a joke, so I am thinking of disabling it at this point.
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If the only major issue is battery than i would rather google give us an option to enable it if we want. That way i could turn it on while im at work.
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Trusted location is poor security, for many reasons.
Anyone at the location can unlock your phone, so for most of us it's not a solution.
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I agree.
roirraW edor ehT said:
My security is my phone is always on me. I never have left a phone anywhere, lost one, or had one stolen...
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Unfortunately i am extremely forgetful..its something i have to live with so i can definitely not be trusted as the only security for my device hahah
Morgrain said:
Was about to say this. Wifi/Location unlocking when at work is not a good idea.
There is a reason why we lock our phones, and no human is perfect - you might forget it for a moment, or get distracted - whatever.
If someone doesn't care for security in any way (I am perfect & my phone will 24/7 stay on me, no matter what) then he/she/is doesn't need any sort of security active in the first place.
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I agree 100%.
Konfuzion said:
Yeah until you want to you a service like "Google pay" you have to have a lock on your phone or you can't use it.
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I use google pay as well so yeah no security is off the table haha
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It can certainly be done, but you'll have to write some of the code for it yourself. There are a number of open source facial recognition packages available that you can leverage for this.
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Oh. I know a little bit about coding maybe this could be a learning project for me. Would you know what framework i can use to bypass phone security? LSposed, Magisk or maybe some other?
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Oh. I know a little bit about coding maybe this could be a learning project for me. Would you know what framework i can use to bypass phone security? LSposed, Magisk or maybe some other?
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Nononono, wrong approach. You do NOT want to bypass phone security. You want to integrate into it. Android is an open source operating system, just find the code where the 4 included unlock mechanisms are defined (swipe/pattern/pin/password), and add your own in the same way.
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I work in construction and so there's usually no wifi at work. And the location differs almost everyday so that won't be a viable solution as well.
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Root option to enable a Quick Setting to enable/disable lock - if that's possible?
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If the only major issue is battery than i would rather google give us an option to enable it if we want. That way i could turn it on while im at work.
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Fax cus I'm sure that "don't turn off screen if I'm looking at it" feature uses battery and it's ALWAYS ON when you're on your phone if you turn it on. Face ID only on when you use it, how can that even affect battery ?
Pixel 5 has face ID on one of the custom Roms, can't remember which one though.
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Pixel 5 has face ID on one of the custom Roms, can't remember which one though.
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But is it a secure lock like Apple's Face-ID or is it a gimmick like on the various Chinese phones, that's more for "entertainment purposes only?"
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Nononono, wrong approach. You do NOT want to bypass phone security. You want to integrate into it. Android is an open source operating system, just find the code where the 4 included unlock mechanisms are defined (swipe/pattern/pin/password), and add your own in the same way.
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Yes that is a better way of looking at it. Thank you for the insight!
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Root option to enable a Quick Setting to enable/disable lock - if that's possible?
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That would basically mean i have no security when i disable it, only that i would be able to do so faster haha
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Fax cus I'm sure that "don't turn off screen if I'm looking at it" feature uses battery and it's ALWAYS ON when you're on your phone if you turn it on. Face ID only on when you use it, how can that even affect battery ?
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Yeah but it would only be looking for one thing. Maybe all the battery used on image processing for FaceID adds up over the many unlocks during the course of the day. Thats why i am keen to have it enabled only while I'm at work as the FP works fine in all other circumstances.
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Pixel 5 has face ID on one of the custom Roms, can't remember which one though.
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Oh, that would definitely be worth taking a look. Ill will try and find out over the weekend if i can. Thanks!
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My work pushes down a lock screen requirement on my phone. How can I remove this? or change the password strength requirements?
veli69 said:
My work pushes down a lock screen requirement on my phone. How can I remove this? or change the password strength requirements?
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You can't! Does your company run Google Apps? If so the admin for your domain can log in and remove the requirement for you otherwise you can't take it off.
Cant? of course I can I just need to know how.. The phone is rooted I dont imagine there is anything that "cant" be done
You have to override the "phone administrators" function to make that happen, I do not know of any ROM's that have that functionality though.
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Cant? if course I can I just need to know how.. The phone is rooted I dont imagine there is anything that "cant" be done
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Ha ha that doesn't matter at all. This is a policy sent down by your company. If you figure out a way I will be amazed.
Is this when you add an exchange account?
If so are you on 4.0.3?
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Is this when you add an exchange account?
If so are you on 4.0.3?
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im on 4.0.3. Its lotus notes traveler but the apps works on android 2.0 and greater
There used to be an app to do this on Froyo, but I haven't seen anything like it since. I also would love to see this. I'm on 4.0.3 using exchange mail for company mail, security policy enforced with PIN of course - would much rather use slide to unlock or face unlock.
FYI as a workaround you can use Touchdown which enforces the PIN unlock when opening the app rather than unlocking the phone.
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There used to be an app to do this on Froyo, but I haven't seen anything like it since. I also would love to see this. I'm on 4.0.3 using exchange mail for company mail, security policy enforced with PIN of course - would much rather use slide to unlock or face unlock.
FYI as a workaround you can use Touchdown which enforces the PIN unlock when opening the app rather than unlocking the phone.
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Which rom are you on? I am using a modified email.apk to bypass pin.
I cannot take it drives me crazy.
tannor said:
Which rom are you on? I am using a modified email.apk to bypass pin.
I cannot take it drives me crazy.
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Manhattan IC111, you? Can you share the modified apk? This is the standard email you're referring to? Sounds great.
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My work pushes down a lock screen requirement on my phone. How can I remove this? or change the password strength requirements?
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You could always just use the PIN and protect your work's potentially valuable IP. They're not just putting a PIN on your phone for fun...
martonikaj said:
You could always just use the PIN and protect your work's potentially valuable IP. They're not just putting a PIN on your phone for fun...
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Sounds like a sysadmin. Not really the point of this thread.
phishie said:
Sounds like a sysadmin. Not really the point of this thread.
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compliance with company policies... not really the point of the thread.
veli69 said:
My work pushes down a lock screen requirement on my phone. How can I remove this? or change the password strength requirements?
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I really hope none of my information is being used by your company. It really is people like you that give the large companies you work for such a bad rap about privacy concerns.
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Manhattan IC111, you? Can you share the modified apk? This is the standard email you're referring to? Sounds great.
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I am using mine on AOKP b21, 4.0.3.
I did not make the email.apk, but know how to do it, now that I finally know how to decompile it.
but take a look at this thread might find what you need, to be honest too much controversy in this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1412717
ZeroBarrier said:
I really hope none of my information is being used by your company. It really is people like you that give the large companies you work for such a bad rap about privacy concerns.
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Why do you presume I deal with sensitive data?
I think that the multiuser feature should be made to work on mobile phones. However, using it actually was multiuser would be ridiculous butit could be implemented as a "Phone mode" feature. You could have a "Work" mode with business apps and stuff, and also the "Home" mode, which you would put more fun things with. It would be kinda nice to have a way not having everything jumbled together.
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I think that the multiuser feature should be made to work on mobile phones. However, using it actually was multiuser would be ridiculous butit could be implemented as a "Phone mode" feature. You could have a "Work" mode with business apps and stuff, and also the "Home" mode, which you would put more fun things with. It would be kinda nice to have a way not having everything jumbled together.
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If we can have different security settings for it then it would be really cool.
Our company email requires a unlock code or password and I don't won't use one in my private time.
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I think that the multiuser feature should be made to work on mobile phones. However, using it actually was multiuser would be ridiculous butit could be implemented as a "Phone mode" feature. You could have a "Work" mode with business apps and stuff, and also the "Home" mode, which you would put more fun things with. It would be kinda nice to have a way not having everything jumbled together.
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Thats one of the Blackberry 10 features, exactly like u just described
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Yes I am quite aware that it's a bb10 feature. I just think that they (Google) should have thought more about the idea and put it on the phones. I think the ROM developers will do it because cm10 has profiles and they would eventually change the original profile feature with what I'm saying. Maybe when they make a 4.2 ROM. I hope someone at Google reads the thread sometime.
I'll have to check on that.
Nebucatnetzer said:
If we can have different security settings for it then it would be really cool.
Our company email requires a unlock code or password and I don't won't use one in my private time.
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I'm fairly sure that on the tablet feature, your security setting can be changed. I'll have to verify though
oh yes it can
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I'm fairly sure that on the tablet feature, your security setting can be changed. I'll have to verify though
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Yes lock screen security can be changed on the tablets
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Yes lock screen security can be changed on the tablets
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Imagine this in combination with tasker. It would be like changing phone without changing it!
Oh for clarification
Just so you know I mean porting the current tablet multi user onto phones, not making it from scratch
So, encryption blocks custom roms and root.
Are you really okay with having your FINGERPRINTS stored on an unencrypted phone?
A password can be changed and be different for every app / website / etc.
If you start using your fingerprints instead of passwords and someone hacks them, then that person can log in everywhere you used them.
It is like using a single password for everything. Except you can't change it.
So yeah, that has me a little worried.
Don't start with the psychotic fear about "is somebody watching me?" please.
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Then encrypt your phone after flashing a new ROM.
Unlock bootloader
Flash unencrypted boot.img
Flash twrp
Flash ROM
Encrypt phone in settings after first boot
Profit
rskyline said:
Don't start with the psychotic fear about "is somebody watching me?" please.
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That is really not the point. Everyone is at risk of having a compromised phone. The question is, are you comfortable to know that your fingerprints, which are used for mobile payments, are un-encrypted?
Evo_Shift said:
Then encrypt your phone after flashing a new ROM.
Unlock bootloader
Flash unencrypted boot.img
Flash twrp
Flash ROM
Encrypt phone in settings after first boot
Profit
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Hmm hadn't thought of that, thanks! Although I guess I'd have to do that with every flash... I'll wait and see if anyone comes up with a convenient method for flashaholics, but that's a great start!
leblvin said:
That is really not the point. Everyone is at risk of having a compromised phone. The question is, are you comfortable to know that your fingerprints, which are used for mobile payments, are un-encrypted?
Hmm hadn't thought of that, thanks! Although I guess I'd have to do that with every flash... I'll wait and see if anyone comes up with a convenient method for flashaholics, but that's a great start!
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I'm actually not afraid at all to that. And I don't do payments with my fingerprint or thinking on doing that anytime soon.
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rskyline said:
I'm actually not afraid at all to that. And I don't do payments with my fingerprint or thinking on doing that anytime soon.
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See it this way. A password can be changed and be different for every app / website / etc.
If you start using your fingerprints everywhere and someone hacks them, then that person can log in everywhere you used them.
It is like using a single password for everything. Except you can't change it.
leblvin said:
See it this way. A password can be changed and be different for every app / website / etc.
If you start using your fingerprints everywhere and someone hacks them, then that person can log in everywhere you used them.
It is like using a single password for everything. Except you can't change it.
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Keep trying to convince me to not decrypt the n5x when it arrives please.
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rskyline said:
Keep trying to convince me to not decrypt the n5x when it arrives please.
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Doing my best XD
So you are not afraid of letting your fingerprint on a public door, in an office, etc but you are on your own phone? Even the Gov has you fingerprint, it is not that secure anyway...
Oni_Shadow said:
So you are not afraid of letting your fingerprint on a public door, in an office, etc but you are on your own phone? Even the Gov has you fingerprint, it is not that secure anyway...
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If someone wants to hack you specifically, they can do it.
If a vulnerability is present and can be exploited on a cell phone, you don't need to be targeted, you'll be one amongst millions.
And my government doesn't have my fingerprints
Is this interesting to you?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3231369
Root / Unlock Bootloader without removing encryption!
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Okay, I understand the motivation behind not wanting to decrypt - but at the same time, why unlock/root at all then? I, for one, have chosen not to unlock/root my Nexus 5X simply because I feel like I cannot trust SuperSU anymore. There are no other better alternatives, so I simply have not rooted. However, the concerns involving the fingerprint sensor are unfounded. This is because the fingerprint data is stored on-phone in a hardware isolated area where no other software can get at it - that means it is unaccessible by hackers. See here: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/1...ments-for-fingerprint-sensors-in-android-6-0/ This is regardless of whether the phone is encrypted or not - it does not affect trusted execution environment.
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leblvin said:
That is really not the point. Everyone is at risk of having a compromised phone. The question is, are you comfortable to know that your fingerprints, which are used for mobile payments, are un-encrypted?
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The finger print data is not stored in normal storage, but a separate secure trusted area, and even if the data is stored in user accessible flash memory, it will be encrypted with a key from a trusted storage area, so it is already encrypted regardless of the phones encryption state. If the finger print data was vulnerable on an unencrypted device, then Google wouldn't let you add finger print data if the device is unencrypted, but you can. Google would be shot down in flames if all the finger print data was stored in a file that anyone could get to, and remember even if your device is encrypted, when you unlock it, it is essentially unencrypted at that point, so if biometric data wasn't encrypted by some other means, that data would be very vunerable and Google would look stupid.
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I see your points. So encrypting has no impact on the protection and storage of the fingerprints.
If say Paypal was to use fingerprints and a vulnerability was found in Google's API or in the app itself. Would having an encrypted phone make a difference regarding access to fingerprints?
I'm actually trying to find the decryption process for my new Nexus 5X. Is it not available yet?
leblvin said:
I see your points. So encrypting has no impact on the protection and storage of the fingerprints.
If say Paypal was to use fingerprints and a vulnerability was found in Google's API or in the app itself. Would having an encrypted phone make a difference regarding access to fingerprints?
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The fingerprint API just returns a "match" or "no match" response, doesn't it? I don't think encryption makes a difference here.
Island_aggie said:
I'm actually trying to find the decryption process for my new Nexus 5X. Is it not available yet?
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This might be what you want?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guide-how-to-install-custom-recovery-t3231143
Always thought it a bit weird to use a fingerprint as a password, your fingerprints are on everything you touch.
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6300638?hl=en
tl;dr your data is safe.
@FredFS456 you don't trust SuperSu anymore? Did I miss something? @Chainfire is probably the most important developer in modified Android history. What's not to trust?
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H0tep said:
@FredFS456 you don't trust SuperSu anymore? Did I miss something? @Chainfire is probably the most important developer in modified Android history. What's not to trust?
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https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/XJYJFPtS9Qb
I think the concern is a bit overblown, but to each their own.
Does anyone know of a rom that has always on display? I was going to go with codename phoenix but it has been discontinued and I don't know of another one.
Omni has it. Codename Phoenix is still being built, just no dedicated support. It's rock solid loaded with features.
Also, there is a substratum theme that supports it as well.
azsl1326 said:
Omni has it. Codename Phoenix is still being built, just no dedicated support. It's rock solid loaded with features.
Also, there is a substratum theme that supports it as well.
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Does the fingerprint reader work with the always on with those roms
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Does the fingerprint reader work with the always on with those roms
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I believe it works in all the 8.1 Roms as long as you flash the OOS Oreo firmware.
As mentioned apparently you can enable this feature on the 8.1 only.
I use Always on Amoled from the store or glance plus. They both work well.
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As mentioned apparently you can enable this feature on the 8.1 only.
I use Always on Amoled from the store or glance plus. They both work well.
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Yeah glance plus I use for me is the best solution i found but still some issues with glance but not big deal the final experience is pretty good
The Always on Display in OmniRom is flawless.
art69 said:
Yeah glance plus I use for me is the best solution i found but still some issues with glance but not big deal the final experience is pretty good
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when i use glance and finger scanner it unlocks to lock screen, then i gottta unlock again, did you fix this?
entwicklun said:
when i use glance and finger scanner it unlocks to lock screen, then i gottta unlock again, did you fix this?
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That one is the first issue but i learned to live with. It's no big deal for me now after use it for months sometimes when I double tap the screen glance plus run again hope they update the app
art69 said:
That one is the first issue but i learned to live with. It's no big deal for me now after use it for months sometimes when I double tap the screen glance plus run again hope they update the app
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hmmm lol. all good you're ok with it. for me I feel it's a joke I would never support it or pay for it as it defeats the end purpose. getting half the app here, not for me lol...
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hmmm lol. all good you're ok with it. for me I feel it's a joke I would never support it or pay for it as it defeats the end purpose. getting half the app here, not for me lol...
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You are alright im not developer but probably don't have the same functionality as ambient display backed in a rom. Probably if you give all the permission and accessibility probably work as we want but i don't want to give every permission to the app im. Waiting for a good rom baked but for now it's ok
Title says it all, have seen lots of rumours that it might be enabled but nothing concrete.
It's already here with a magisk module,
I don't think anyone here knows anything beyond what's publicly known, which is that there have definitely been code tweaks that are geared towards face unlock, but who knows when or even if for sure.
As said, yes, also if you root you can use a Magisk Module to get face unlock.
Well, the code was added, face match is added on Google assistant but not working yet, everything seems to point out that will be implemented, but until front end setting's are added, we'll have to rely on a magisk module. My bet is that will be implemented in future builds, whether is android 13 or afterwards I guess we'll see
My guess is no, they are getting everything set up and tested for the Pixel 7, we won't see it.
TonikJDK said:
My guess is no, they are getting everything set up and tested for the Pixel 7, we won't see it.
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That is my guess too.
acidspider said:
It's already here with a magisk module,
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I can't get the magisk. I'm on AT&t. They will not let me unlock the phone.