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This camera sensor is the best mobile sensor I have tested for dynamic range and lowlight capabilities.
And I have compared a number of devices in my search for mobile 4k nirvana. I just wish the autofocus was smoother in transition like the note3, apart from that it's top dog.
Here's my comparison with the note 3, my channel has more 4k comparisons so you can gauge rough performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o4ewsQVFso
Enjoy
P.S I think there maybe some software stabilisation at play too, it seems less jittery.
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This camera sensor is the best mobile sensor I have tested for dynamic range and lowlight capabilities.
And I have compared a number of devices in my search for mobile 4k nirvana. I just wish the autofocus was smoother in transition like the note3, apart from that it's top dog.
Here's my comparison with the note 3, my channel has more 4k comparisons so you can gauge rough performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o4ewsQVFso
Enjoy
P.S I think there maybe some software stabilisation at play too, it seems less jittery.
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Sir, thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks, but lets go here for discussion...keeps the search to one area...thanks again! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2723164
Hello,
Im looking to upgrade my Nexus 5 and ive been going through lots and lots of reviews, videos, pictures of many of the new phones out right now. Z5, S6, Nexus 5X.
I really like the Nexus 5X despite some of it shortcomings but one thing i REALLY have a hard time accepting is how shaky the picture is when recording video compared to iphone 6s, Sony Z5 and others.
Here is a video showing it against the Moto X pure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_zth08zFLw
The Nexus 5x i horrible Is that something we will just have to accept because it lacks OIS or is it possible to fix software wise in a camera update or using a 3rd party camera app. I must say that in its current form its unusable.
Regards
Jacob
indeed it is shaky...
haven't tried it but this one has video stabilization - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
Maybe someone with a nexus 5x could try opencamera to record a video and post the result?
Yeah I was hoping 1080p would at least get decent software stability. It has enough pixels for it. ?
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?
Just my $.02. It was my understanding from the Launch event that it doesn't have image stabilization. Something about how it didn't need it with the upgraded light gathering capability of the camera.
The Moto X pure doesn't have OIS either, it's done in software
I'll just splurge for a gimbal. LOL
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
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Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?
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Just tried it and it seems decent. Good thing is that OpenCamera properly implements the sensor orientation detection, so the preview and resulting files are correct. It has experimental support for Camera 2 API, which needs to be enabled in order to expose the EIS setting.
At high resolution (4k), there's significant lag that's recorded in the videos with the EIS enabled. Google did say the 808 couldn't handle it; maybe they weren't just blowing smoke?
At 1080p, it seems to help reduce the shakiness by a fair amount; it's no OIS replacement for sure, but I'd say better than not having anything.
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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From pics I saw it does fine without OIS. But videos would have benefited. And yes they coined it as "ultra-pixels".
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
Look at this. Amazing:
http://www.frequency.com/video/nexus-5x-stabilized-4k-footage-using/244831773?cid=5-9852
Hi
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Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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OIS is only really of benefit for photos at shutter speeds less than 1/60th second, unless you have a zoom lens, where it is helpful at higher shutter speeds, as the more you are zoomed, the more amplified any body shake is. For smartphones with their wide angle view, camera shake is not too much of a problem for most typical situations, and any daytime scene OIS is completely pointless as the shutter speed is plenty high enough to freeze out any camera shake. The larger pixels help as the ISO can be higher without too much noise meaning a faster shutter speed can be used.
For video the situation is different as images are taken over time, so it's the movement in camera position between each picture that needs to smoothed, although the fashion these days on most documentaries and TV shows is to deliberately shake the camera around until it's a nauseating mess with whip zooms into the mix Still it's a good indicator I find for knowing the program is trash and not worth watching :victory:
OIS in smart phones helps a little with video, but the tiny lens optics and limited movement means they don't do nearly as well as a dedicated camcorder with OIS, which gives some amazing results. The link to the stablised 5X video is using a $300 device, so if anyone is that serious about their smart phone video, then for that money we might as well take a much bigger step in image quality and convenience and features and get a dedicated camcorder.
The elephant in the room with the Nexus 6P is EIS, this is the poor mans image stabilizer, yes it does help stabilize the video to a certain degree, but to do this it has to crop the image. It appears to be doing this the cheap way in software (hence needing the powerful chip), taking a 1080P video, then zooming into so it can have a window of view to pan around in, this means the resulting video has less resolution, see the clips here https://youtu.be/HV4rcFuUlUc?t=246 and compare the detail between the two, there is a drop in resolution on the 6P. Better EIS systems capture a larger image at the sensor, then would track and pan a 1920x1080 window across it so no resolution drop, but that requires more low level work with the camera hardware and dedicated chips to do a good job.
Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
Will the 6P stabilize 4K video? I somehow doubt it has the power to do that, so for 4K it's an even playing field between the two.
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Phil
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Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
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Hmm, aren't those phones using the much higher resolution of the sensor (at least about 4k) to stabilize the video by changing the captured frame on the sensor corresponding to the phones movement? At least i thought that's the reasoning why this works only up to 1080p (which would be preserved, in that case).
I think this could be quite useful for the next Nexus http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/09/imint-wants-to-bring-real-time-video-stabilization-to-android/
i saw in google pixel specs that include EIS 2.0 " electronic image stabilizer " , and does not include OIS " optical image stabilizer " , so i have nexus 6p is it mean that i have old version of EIS ?
what is the version of EIS in nexus 6p and what is the deference between two and can recorde 4k with EIS ?
the answer will decide to buy pixel or not , because video recording important to me .
thank you in advance
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i saw in google pixel specs that include EIS 2.0 " electronic image stabilizer " , and does not include OIS " optical image stabilizer " , so i have nexus 6p is it mean that i have old version of EIS ?
what is the version of EIS in nexus 6p and what is the deference between two and can recorde 4k with EIS ?
the answer will decide to buy pixel or not , because video recording important to me .
thank you in advance
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From what I've gathered the stabilization in the 6p is purely software based.
On the pixel however, Google has tied the camera to the gyroscope. The gyroscope polls 200 times a second to stabilize the image. So while it doesn't have Ois, it's not just software on the pixel.
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From what I've gathered the stabilization in the 6p is purely software based.
On the pixel however, Google has tied the camera to the gyroscope. The gyroscope polls 200 times a second to stabilize the image. So while it doesn't have Ois, it's not just software on the pixel.
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^^^ what this guy said, though i thought i heard it polled the gyroscope 2000/second. looked around, but can't remember where i read/heard it. but yeah, @ali8383, 6p is strictly software based while pixel is sw/hw.
also the nexus 6p couldn't use eis to record 4k. the pixel can.
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Thank you for explaination
Could the 6P not poll its gyro also given the software?
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Could the 6P not poll its gyro also given the software?
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Probably doesn't have the CPU power to handle everything needed... kind of how HDR+ is way better on the Pixels. That, or Google is pulling shady moves and purposely hindering past devices to push new product.
I don't know what they are using for stability, but I did notice the pictures from the Pixel phones were much more sharper and detailed. Check out this video I made of a real world camera test on youtube. I got to play with the actual phones a few days before they came out and this was the first things i checked out. Just google techplughd. Thanks
This might help (go to minute 28)
https://www.dpreview.com/news/9782565306/google-launches-pixel-and-pixel-xl-smartphones
EDIT...the video in the link isn't set to the right time, I will tell you what time the video stabilization is shown.
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This might help (go to minute 28)
https://www.dpreview.com/news/9782565306/google-launches-pixel-and-pixel-xl-smartphones
EDIT...the video in the link isn't set to the right time, I will tell you what time the video stabilization is shown.
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thank you i watched the video again and understand now how it works .
Even when it seems a nice feature, the lack of OIS is still a sin in 2016 and for the price they pretend to charge.
Besides this, pinging the gyroscope 200 times per second is still more expensive (in terms of processing) than just add the proper hardware.
I don't believe this kind of stabilization could be better than normal EIS, so I'm staying skeptical until I see real conditions videos.
Here's a really good explanation of OIS vs EIS and being a current Nexus 6p user lowlight has been phenomenal so I'm excited about the Gyroscope and don't even care about not having OIS really.
https://9to5google.com/2016/10/10/g...firms-that-eis-will-still-work-with-4k-video/
I have a guess why no OIS, think this , without a OIS Gyroscope data perfectly match how camera lens moves, and software can pull the data out to correct the image, with OIS, the data from Gyroscope doesn't match the lens move any more, the EIS can only use the data from the camera to do stabilization which is less effective (cost more CPU and worse result). Some prople may argue OIS hardware can do the work, to be honest, OIS can offset some hand shake during low light taking pics, but during video recording, that little OIS can offer very little help smooth out the image, which actually not worth losing the ability to actually use Gyroscope to correct the image which can create more stable image. and Consider the pixel size of the camera is very large, much larger than even note 7, the low light shutter speed is actually fast enough so OIS really can't make much difference here. I use GS7 and I do notice taking low light pics take longer expose time, but google claim the pixel phone doesn't, which proves what I am guessing here. Let's see some real life test before jump to a conclusion, OIS is good, unless it is a big rig or on a big camera. On a phone, we just pick whatever works.
Does the Pixel have any sort of non-software based image stabilization for photos? (Gyroscope stabilization has only been mentioned for videos).
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Here's a really good explanation of OIS vs EIS and being a current Nexus 6p user lowlight has been phenomenal so I'm excited about the Gyroscope and don't even care about not having OIS really.
https://9to5google.com/2016/10/10/g...firms-that-eis-will-still-work-with-4k-video/
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I have a guess why no OIS, think this , without a OIS Gyroscope data perfectly match how camera lens moves, and software can pull the data out to correct the image, with OIS, the data from Gyroscope doesn't match the lens move any more, the EIS can only use the data from the camera to do stabilization which is less effective (cost more CPU and worse result). Some prople may argue OIS hardware can do the work, to be honest, OIS can offset some hand shake during low light taking pics, but during video recording, that little OIS can offer very little help smooth out the image, which actually not worth losing the ability to actually use Gyroscope to correct the image which can create more stable image. and Consider the pixel size of the camera is very large, much larger than even note 7, the low light shutter speed is actually fast enough so OIS really can't make much difference here. I use GS7 and I do notice taking low light pics take longer expose time, but google claim the pixel phone doesn't, which proves what I am guessing here. Let's see some real life test before jump to a conclusion, OIS is good, unless it is a big rig or on a big camera. On a phone, we just pick whatever works.
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There is no "data" from OIS, is just a mechanical system in order to compensate any movement made bu the user. The compensation is immediately and there is no need to process anything, and that's why is the preferred for most of the people. Besides, OIS help a lot with low light pictures and even when the Nexus 6P was really capable, the addition of OIS could have make a formidable experience in camera.
https://youtu.be/l5d2F6nP5MY?t=25s
EIS can't help with pictures, is only used for video, and even when it does somehow the job, the results are not so good, and it tends to have a lot of jelly effect. When you have OIS available, you can also make it work in conjunction with EIS and the results are awesome. Another point for the OIS is that it works with all resolutions, while EIS is dependant on the resolution and the processing power.
You can think this: best smartphone's cameras are the ones which include OIS, and they present really decent results even in low light. OIS helps you both in photo and video, while EIS is only for video.
I changed some months ago from a phone with OIS to one that doesn't have it, and I can say it's a world of difference in detail, even when the second one has better camera in paper, and when you mix the OIS and EIS, you get a really nice stabilized video without having to sacrifice much.
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Does the Pixel have any sort of non-software based image stabilization for photos? (Gyroscope stabilization has only been mentioned for videos).
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Exactly my point, Google is presuming about its new camera and its new stabilization, but most of the people take more photos than videos the whole time, and as far as I know, OIS is the only way to proper "stabilize" when taking pictures. Besides this, I would love to see manual controls and long exposure in this camera to see how good it does considering the lack of OIS and see if it's on pair with other smartphones.
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Even when it seems a nice feature, the lack of OIS is still a sin in 2016 and for the price they pretend to charge.
Besides this, pinging the gyroscope 200 times per second is still more expensive (in terms of processing) than just add the proper hardware.
I don't believe this kind of stabilization could be better than normal EIS, so I'm staying skeptical until I see real conditions videos.
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But think about it. OIS is usually requested due to it performing better in low light conditions and stabilize the video (it's not to prevent blurry pictures). Google opted to go with a larger sensor that has a larger pixels, which in turn offer much better performance in low light. They then stabilized the camera with the gyroscope to prevent the jelly effect during recording. It's just a different take on the camera that will probably work just as well. Even better maybe.
Google has stated that the camera has a special core dedicated to it. Meaning processing power isn't lost at all.
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But think about it. OIS is usually requested due to it performing better in low light conditions and stabilize the video (it's not to prevent blurry pictures).
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Wrong, OIS help you a lot by taking pictures in low light condition with a long exposure and prevent the blurry pictures, and that's why is a really nice adition to have.
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Wrong, OIS help you a lot by taking pictures in low light condition with a long exposure and prevent the blurry pictures, and that's why is a really nice adition to have.
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Longer exposure time means that the camera is able to capture more light... Guess what else captures a lot more light? The large 1.55 micron pixels that the pixel phone has.
Taking pictures in the dark results in more noise, not blurred pictures perse.
With the f2.0 aperture, the pictures will have less depth vs a f1.7/1.8 aperture. Is that correct?
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Longer exposure time means that the camera is able to capture more light... Guess what else captures a lot more light? The large 1.55 micron pixels that the pixel phone has.
Taking pictures in the dark results in more noise, not blurred pictures perse.
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I agree with you in these points, but the Nexus 6P has the same camera and still produces some unexpected results time to time, so if Google nailed it with this, I think many people would be happy.
This is some test in low light, and it seems focus is still messed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbLZq52fVQM
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I agree with you in these points, but the Nexus 6P has the same camera and still produces some unexpected results time to time, so if Google nailed it with this, I think many people would be happy.
This is some test in low light, and it seems focus is still messed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbLZq52fVQM
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The Nexus 6P does not use the same camera as the Pixel phones. It's a different sensor. Although both phones have 1.55 micron pixels. The Nexus 6P also doesn't use any hardware based stabilization like the Pixel phone either.
And while focusing didn't happen in that videos. It's a single instance where OIS wouldn't have made a difference since the Nexus 6P did focus.
The best thing to do is just wait and see. I'm sure Google will give us something stellar.
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The Nexus 6P does not use the same camera as the Pixel phones. It's a different sensor. Although both phones have 1.55 micron pixels. The Nexus 6P also doesn't use any hardware based stabilization like the Pixel phone either.
And while focusing didn't happen in that videos. It's a single instance where OIS wouldn't have made a difference since the Nexus 6P did focus.
The best thing to do is just wait and see. I'm sure Google will give us something stellar.
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This looks pretty nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oftbNhz8fU
In many cases the background around moving objects/people is heavily blurred/warped/distorted.
Taking the same videos on my older 3T or iPhone 6S has overall somewhat lower quality, but there are no warping artifacts.
Here are some examples with a moving object closer to the camera, further away and also with brighter lighting. Pay attention to the couch texture and the floor tiles behind the moving bottle:
OnePlus 7T 1080p 30FPS (object close to the camera) - background around moving objects blurred/distorted/warped
OnePlus 7T 1080p 30FPS (object further from the camera) - background around moving objects blurred/distorted/warped
OnePlus 7T 1080p 30FPS (brighter lighting) - background around moving objects blurred/distorted/warped
And here are videos with 3T and iPhone 6S for comparison:
OnePlus 3T 1080p 30FPS - background around moving objects NOT blurred/distorted/warped
iPhone 6S 1080p 30FPS - background around moving objects NOT blurred/distorted/warped
Is this something common to all 7Ts? Is it just a software bug that could be fixed in near future?
Is there something i can activate/deactivate to improve this?
I've tried using a GCam mod instead of the stock camera, but it has the same issue.
Switching to 1080p60fps helps a bit, but the effect is still there.
I've seen reports of possibly related issues due to EIS, but in my case is it the stabilization? Since there is barely any fast movement. Looks more like some post-processing or compression weakness.
Super Stable on or off?
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Super Stable on or off?
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Off.
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Off.
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So that all but rules out image stabilisation as the cause then given the warping seen in the past has been caused by the hybrid OIS/EIS super stable uses.
I have the same issue on my 7 Pro.
No matter if I use OOS stock camera app (30 fps or 60 fps, it is more noticeable in 30 fps) or GCam (same problem, even with disable stabilization).
Are there any news on this?
Did anyone find a workaround / fix?
Because the video coming out of my phone is just useless because of this.
For example I tried to record myself. Only I am moving, nothing else.
The phone is mounted at a static place, so it is not moving at all. The wall behind me is also, how walls do, not moving at all.
But in the video coming out of my 7 Pro, the wall behind me dances around and blurs when I move.
This makes the video so weird to look at :/
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Are there any news on this?
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I have posted this also on OnePlus forums (as a post and as a bug report) and on reddit.
So far no solution anywhere, although OnePlus did respond to my bug report and asked me for device logs, which I provided.
But nothing since then (over a month ago). It could be more than just OnePlus issue - I've seen a similar effect from a video of Pixel 3 (can't find the link anymore though).
It is weird that so few people report this, it is a big deal in my opinion, perhaps it is not a problem on most devices.
My latest suspicion is that it is at least partially a software fault. I've tried dozens of Apps - they all have this effect. But I did found one which didn't have it - HD Video Recorder. Although the UI in this App is terrible and the overall video quality seems worse - there is no warping effect. That's why I think it is a software issue - perhaps with the google camera API, but maybe it is only visible when some hardware component doesn't play along correctly. Just guessing!
Anyway, meanwhile I've returned my OnePlus 7T because of this and went back to my old 3T. If they ever resolve this, I might try 7T again (besides this issue it is awesome), or wait for future model.
Good luck with yours!
P6P rooted with current updates as of the November. The P6P video is straight out of the camera. It was recorded with Active stabilization. I'll have to re-do the test with the default stabilization to see if this is an issue specifically with Active setting.
The GP footage has a slight sharpening done as it was recorded with low sharpening which is practically no sharpening on the firmware currently on the camera.
But bottom line the pixel for whatever reason the video is... less than expected.
The out and back were recorded separately and both recordings had the same issues.
I'm aware one of these is a phone and one of them is an action cam but if this is indeed an artifact of the Active mode on the Pixel and not possibly a hardware problem with this specific pixel then that mode is worthless. Further testing will tell.
then theres the guy who put his P6P on a drone in 1080p30 wide and standard stabilisation literally 2 days before retail launch
active stabilisation crops in and is abit more aggressive probaby for some actual real fast motion not some jogging etc
try standard stabilisation at 4k30 /1080p 30
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P6P rooted with current updates as of the November. The P6P video is straight out of the camera. It was recorded with Active stabilization. I'll have to re-do the test with the default stabilization to see if this is an issue specifically with Active setting.
The GP footage has a slight sharpening done as it was recorded with low sharpening which is practically no sharpening on the firmware currently on the camera.
But bottom line the pixel for whatever reason the video is... less than expected.
The out and back were recorded separately and both recordings had the same issues.
I'm aware one of these is a phone and one of them is an action cam but if this is indeed an artifact of the Active mode on the Pixel and not possibly a hardware problem with this specific pixel then that mode is worthless. Further testing will tell.
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I dont got that issue on mines, seems to be pritty smooth, I'd wait for further updates, new camera system and new OS version with only 1 update, give it time
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then theres the guy who put his P6P on a drone in 1080p30 wide and standard stabilisation literally 2 days before retail launch
active stabilisation crops in and is abit more aggressive probaby for some actual real fast motion not some jogging etc
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Yeah I plan to do that, try it under the default stabilization. Unfortunately the phone is a) too heavy for my drones to be safe and b) the DJI app doesn't run on Android 12 (probably) or the pixel 6 (definitely). Just crashes or goes to a black screen when you try. DJI says "buy a different phone".
Once I get out and do another test I'll post a comparison if it gets better.
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Yeah I plan to do that, try it under the default stabilization. Unfortunately the phone is a) too heavy for my drones to be safe and b) the DJI app doesn't run on Android 12 (probably) or the pixel 6 (definitely). Just crashes or goes to a black screen when you try. DJI says "buy a different phone".
Once I get out and do another test I'll post a comparison if it gets better.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/r66mhc
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/r66mhc
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@Izy Thanks! I hadn't seen that yet.