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Anyone know how to get rid of the annoying recall pop up on the note 7 sense it was updated it constantly keeps doing it . Idc about the recall my phone is fine never had a issue of it overheating ect. Just wanna get rid of that annoying pop up
Why not just exchange it? It's not going to cost you anything. And you will have a new phone.
-Alan said:
Why not just exchange it? It's not going to cost you anything. And you will have a new phone.
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Ignorance, laziness, want a pay day after it bursts :silly:
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Ignorance, laziness, want a pay day after it bursts :silly:
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Neither of those that you say Just no need to go exchange it just because Mr smith says ur phone is bad doesn't mean it is .
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Why not just exchange it? It's not going to cost you anything. And you will have a new phone.
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No need to exchange it the phone is working fine , nothing wrong with it only reason they are wanting you to exchange it is because it is better to be safe and recall all then only the ones that are bad , pretty much Samsung is CTOA . I see no need for me to exchange it
There is no way to get rid of it, unless you exchange it..
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Mr Smith is saying to exchange it because it's best to exchange it.
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I have been trying to exchange mine since the recall notice. This is all I get from Verizon
"We want you to be happy with your device. The Note 7 is available now. Here's a link to get you started: http://spr.ly/6011B7vPc . Do you have any other questions?"
Problem is, I purchased mine from Costco. They still don't know when they will have them. Lesson learned, don't buy phones from Costco.
pfcland said:
Neither of those that you say Just no need to go exchange it just because Mr smith says ur phone is bad doesn't mean it is .
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pfcland said:
No need to exchange it the phone is working fine , nothing wrong with it only reason they are wanting you to exchange it is because it is better to be safe and recall all then only the ones that are bad , pretty much Samsung is CTOA . I see no need for me to exchange it
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Russian Roulette is risky.
pfcland said:
Anyone know how to get rid of the annoying recall pop up on the note 7 sense it was updated it constantly keeps doing it . Idc about the recall my phone is fine never had a issue of it overheating ect. Just wanna get rid of that annoying pop up
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Exchange it.
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pfcland said:
No need to exchange it the phone is working fine , nothing wrong with it only reason they are wanting you to exchange it is because it is better to be safe and recall all then only the ones that are bad , pretty much Samsung is CTOA . I see no need for me to exchange it
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My wife's OG Note7 and my OG Note7 have both been fine, no issues whatsoever and no explosions, fires or anything of that nature. But we're definitely exchanging both of our original Note7's for the 'safe' Note7's. There's a great chance nothings going to happen to your phone but, you run a much higher chance that something could happen with one of those Samsung SDI batteries packed inside it. Grabbing a new one with the ATL battery packed inside would be the safest thing to do as it is officially recalled now. I had Verizon FedEx 2 day me 2 brand new 'safe' Note7's and they'll be here tomorrow morning. I'm going to transfer everything to my new phones and then go to my local Verizon Corporate store and drop off both original Note7's. All the best in keeping your original Note7.
Justinphxaz said:
My wife's OG Note7 and my OG Note7 have both been fine, no issues whatsoever and no explosions, fires or anything of that nature. But we're definitely exchanging both of our original Note7's for the 'safe' Note7's. There's a great chance nothings going to happen to your phone but, you run a much higher chance that something could happen with one of those Samsung SDI batteries packed inside it. Grabbing a new one with the ATL battery packed inside would be the safest thing to do as it is officially recalled now. I had Verizon FedEx 2 day me 2 brand new 'safe' Note7's and they'll be here tomorrow morning. I'm going to transfer everything to my new phines and then go to my local Verizon Corporate store and drop off both original Note7's. All the best in keeping your original Note7.
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How were you able to work out this deal? Sounds like a method I would like, but didnt know it was available. Thanks!
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How were you able to work out this deal? Sounds like a method I would like, but didnt know it was available. Thanks!
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Yeah! It was because I got into contact with the Verizon Executive Office a few weeks back. I got in touch with Tami Erwin (VP of Verizon Wireless) and one of her personal assistants listened to how annoyed and dissatisfied I was in how they were handling the recall process, as it wasn't easy for me to get a loaner, the people I dealt with were not on the same page and I was told all sorts of different answers. That's why I'm still stuck with these original Note7's. Anyhow, I told her it was going to be difficult for me to drive around from store to store once new stock got in. I knew it'd be a chore waiting in lines to try and track down a black and silver Note7 and possibly coming away with nothing after waiting in line (like some have and unfortunately walked away with nothing for their time). I got a newborn and a preschooler that I'd have to bring with me, I didn't want to get jerked around and have to travel store to store and possibly be left without both because I had a feeling it'd be the way it is now. Competing with Verizon selling to non note customers on top of those who want to exchange for the new Note7 is making this a cluster f**k. So she told me that she wanted it to be convenient for me, apologized for any inconvenience and mentioned that once the new stock comes in to call and have it shipped to me and then just bring the old Note7's to a Verizon store. I saw a few others on here the other day mentioning they had theirs shipped to them, so I was like F this and I called in to have it ordered to me too! At first they weren't wanting to do it. I mentioned they are currently selling it to all customers online and I need these recalled units out of my hands and told him about my situation and who I talked with in the executive office and that they were looking to make it as convenient as possible for me. So I was put on hold and he talked with a manager I believe and the rest was taken care of. I told them this needed to be a free of charge deal as it's been inconvenient with no real 'line' for people to sign up for in order to get their original unsafe Note7's replaced with new 'safe' Note7's. Honestly, it's messed up that new Note7 owners who don't have the recalled Notes are able to go in and purchase the new 'safe' Note7's as it's a saftey hazard for those of us who still have a recalled unit (as I tried swapping it out but wasn't successful a few times and so I gave up. Plus I don't have backup phones available to use so I wasn't going to just turn in two phones and pay for service). Once the recalled units are all returned or very close to it, that's when the general public should be able to purchase one. But right now it is a free for all, who ever can pay for one gets one. Just don't let down with them, keep on them, let them know you're a dissatisfied customer and this whole ordeal has been a mess. If you have to, tell them you want to speak with a supervisor, keep asking to work your way up if you are not satisfied.
Justinphxaz said:
My wife's OG Note7 and my OG Note7 have both been fine, no issues whatsoever and no explosions, fires or anything of that nature. But we're definitely exchanging both of our original Note7's for the 'safe' Note7's. There's a great chance nothings going to happen to your phone but, you run a much higher chance that something could happen with one of those Samsung SDI batteries packed inside it. Grabbing a new one with the ATL battery packed inside would be the safest thing to do as it is officially recalled now. I had Verizon FedEx 2 day me 2 brand new 'safe' Note7's and they'll be here tomorrow morning. I'm going to transfer everything to my new phines and then go to my local Verizon Corporate store and drop off both original Note7's. All the best in keeping your original Note7.
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Justinphxaz said:
Yeah! It was because I got into contact with the Verizon Executive Office a few weeks back. I got in touch with Tami Erwin (VP of Verizon Wireless) and one of her personal assistants listened to how annoyed and dissatisfied I was in how they were handling the recall process, as it wasn't easy for me to get a loaner, the people I dealt with were not on the same page and I was told all sorts of different answers. That's why I'm still stuck with these original Note7's. Anyhow, I told her it was going to be difficult for me to drive around from store to store once new stock got in. I knew it'd be a chore waiting in lines to try and track down a black and silver Note7 and possibly coming away with nothing after waiting in line (like some have and unfortunately walked away with nothing for their time). I got a newborn and a preschooler that I'd have to bring with me, I didn't want to get jerked around and have to travel store to store and possibly be left without both because I had a feeling it'd be the way it is now. Competing with Verizon selling to non note customers on top of those who want to exchange for the new Note7 is making this a cluster f**k. So she told me that she wanted it to be convenient for me, apologized for any inconvenience and mentioned that once the new stock comes in to call and have it shipped to me and then just bring the old Note7's to a Verizon store. I saw a few others on here the other day mentioning they had theirs shipped to them, so I was like F this and I called in to have it ordered to me too! At first they weren't wanting to do it. I mentioned they are currently selling it to all customers online and I need these recalled units out of my hands and told him about my situation and who I talked with in the executive office and that they were looking to make it as convenient as possible for me. So I was put on hold and he talked with a manager I believe and the rest was taken care of. I told them this needed to be a free of charge deal as it's been inconvenient with no real 'line' for people to sign up for in order to get their original unsafe Note7's replaced with new 'safe' Note7's. Honestly, it's messed up that new Note7 owners who don't have the recalled Notes are able to go in and purchase the new 'safe' Note7's as it's a saftey hazard for those of us who still have a recalled unit (as I tried swapping it out but wasn't successful a few times and so I gave up. Plus I don't have backup phones available to use so I wasn't going to just turn in two phones and pay for service). Once the recalled units are all returned or very close to it, that's when the general public should be able to purchase one. But right now it is a free for all, who ever can pay for one gets one. Just don't let down with them, keep on them, let them know you're a dissatisfied customer and this whole ordeal has been a mess. If you have to, tell them you want to speak with a supervisor, keep asking to work your way up if you are not satisfied.
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Right on - I am in the exact same boat as you. Identical. Wife and I both have Note7's, black and silver. I did stop by a local store last night and all they had was black Note7's, so I swapped mine out. Of course they have no idea if/when they will have silver. What a cluster. May have to raise a stink and have a silver mailed to me. Thanks for the info!
Why would you NOT exchange it? The phones that exploded didn't have any issues either, until they EXPLODED lol.
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Right on - I am in the exact same boat as you. Identical. Wife and I both have Note7's, black and silver. I did stop by a local store last night and all they had was black Note7's, so I swapped mine out. Of course they have no idea if/when they will have silver. What a cluster. May have to raise a stink and have a silver mailed to me. Thanks for the info!
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Glad to hear you got yours exchanged, sucks the Mrs still has her original Note7 though, hopefully you can get a silver one for her soon. This was my concern, they never seemed to have a real game plan or mention of giving current Note7 owners first dibs to exchange for the new safe Note7's. Now you're running around trying to find silver and have to compete with people who want a Note7 on top of those who just want a new safe one. It shouldn't be this way at all. A major majority of the potentially unsafe Note7's should be exchanged first then allow new sales to the general public. But yeah if you can't find a silver one soon, call them up and try to get them to overnight you a silver one. I just got a notification that both of our Note7's are on a FedEx truck out for delivery. Should have them here in a few hours.
ChrisAC84 said:
Why would you NOT exchange it? The phones that exploded didn't have any issues either, until they EXPLODED lol.
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People like to play Russian Roulette [emoji15]
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Received my two new Note7's around 11am this morning, dropped off from FedEx. So happy to have a safe Note7! Nice and new and it works just as well if not better than my original Note7. Now I just need to setup my wife's new Note7 and then go bring the original two back to a Verizon Corporate store. The piece of mind and hopefully being able to keep the old chargers, S-Pen's, tips and connectors is well worth doing an exchange and having to set everything up again. Have you or anyone you know taken advantage of the $25 bill credit? Do we just ask for it once we turn in the OG Note7's?
Right now i am frustrated, upset and just don't know how to swallow this. Ill try to be short. Need advice on what to do.
I have previously had issues with two of my google xl phones.
I have returned one of them.
Received the second one as a replacement which was also problematic.
I have decided to return the Pixel stand along with that replacement phone together and get a refund. (Since pixel and the stand came as a deal)
Google sent me the packing slips, I remember asking the rep can if i could ship both items in one box to which i received a reply "yes" (not that it makes a difference)
I came to UPS gave the lady the box. phone and stand was in it. I also put return paperwork for the phone and for the stand in the box in front of her and past her two shipping labels. One for the stand and one for the phone. She closed the box and put only one packing slip on the box. Told me i have put the paperwork in the box already. There is no need to put the second shipping labels as its going to the same place. You get where im going with it now?
Google received the package in 2 days and started to process the refund for the pixel stand (as that was the packing slip she chose)
I have called them asking them about the phone and they knew nothing of it.
After over 4 weeks of trying to call them and get answers of my escalated case i received little to nothing. In fact calling them 3 weeks after they"ve received the package to get answers and they didn't even get my story straight. I had to tell them again what had happen. Obviously, shipping rep Lori, have told me not to worry, the box went into one room. They will find it......
So just now, i get an answer in my email saying "the package didn't contain the device" therefore no refund.
Feel free to tell me im an idiot do ship and do what i did. As Im entertaining that idea as well, sadly.
Im know what i put in the box so either UPS or Google had lost it or took it
I did take few pictures of the box with the phone and stand and packing papers in that UPS store before shipping them out.
If they would have told me right away there was no item i would have went to UPS store while the lady still remembered me. May be if they had video surveillance they could have pulled it as well. Now after a month im not so sure bout neither.
Cant they look at the pictures and see the time, date, location, authenticate it? Doesnt UPS ship the package with weight shown?? Im sure weight of the package was way heavier then just a single pixel stand. Wonder if they even called UPS.
Its very hard to swallow this as a lesson.
Tomorrow ill go talk to UPS see if i can get some answers. Ill call google tomorrow as well, see if i could get some answers as well.
I don't have any experience with returning items, but I do know that when trading in phones for credit towards a new device it explicitly states that you must send a separate package for each device being traded in as they are tracked individually. Sorry to hear that happened but if they had already paid for the shipping labels I guess I would have just boxed and sent separately since I wasn't paying the shipping...
I had the same issue with a phone I bought for my mom. They sent us the wrong phone and instructed us to refuse delivery and return to sender. Long story short, since they didn't tell me to use a label or send me one for return the phone got lost. So I was out $300 and three months of arguing. To make it worse they still tried to charge me the fee on Fi for not activating the phone on the plan. It really rubbed me wrong and even after all the good years they treated me well it still made me sour.
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I don't have any experience with returning items, but I do know that when trading in phones for credit towards a new device it explicitly states that you must send a separate package for each device being traded in as they are tracked individually. Sorry to hear that happened but if they had already paid for the shipping labels I guess I would have just boxed and sent separately since I wasn't paying the shipping...
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It was a refund tho. I wish it would say anywhere what you wrote, would have saved me.
As soon as they received the package I had a feeling they scanned it and tossed it to the side. Did little to nothing to investigate either.
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I had the same issue with a phone I bought for my mom. They sent us the wrong phone and instructed us to refuse delivery and return to sender. Long story short, since they didn't tell me to use a label or send me one for return the phone got lost. So I was out $300 and three months of arguing. To make it worse they still tried to charge me the fee on Fi for not activating the phone on the plan. It really rubbed me wrong and even after all the good years they treated me well it still made me sour.
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Sucks. I still can't swallow the loss.
All I have is these two pics.
Someone took or lost the phone.
It's painful to eat this.
Good luck, sounds like a nightmare.
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Good luck, sounds like a nightmare.
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thx, it is.
From the moment i walked out of that UPS store i had a bad feeling. Thats why from my first call to them ive been pushing them to check and find the package but that goes nowhere when all people do is read the scrip on the phone. led nowhere. I know what i packed in and what i brought to UPS, so its blows so hard that im losing 1275 Cnd.
Will go to that ups place tomorrow, hope that lady works is there and pray to god she remembers me and our conversation. So we could go back to those fvckers and say look harder for the damn device.
As soon as they would have opened that box they would have seen two items and two pieces of paperwork for each.
Errrr I'll stop venting.
File against them in small claims court. Around here it costs like 50 bucks to file. That will at least get their attention.
I am about to do it over the 50 pre order credit, just because I am pissed about their BS.
Or maybe a shipping claim with the carrier.
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File against them in small claims court. Around here it costs like 50 bucks to file. That will at least get their attention.
I am about to do it over the 50 pre order credit, just because I am pissed about their BS.
Or maybe a shipping claim with the carrier.
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Great, thank you for the advice. Ill go to UPS tomorrow to chat to them but if i can go to a small claim court ill do that too. thank you, thank you.
I wonder if the lady at the store took it after you left. She could of easily told another employee/driver that hey there's a $1000 phone in there take it. Not very uncommon for UPS/FedEx etc to steal from customers.
OkayGK said:
Great, thank you for the advice. Ill go to UPS tomorrow to chat to them but if i can go to a small claim court ill do that too. thank you, thank you.
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Unfortunately, the pictures don't show a phone or a stand. They only show a box and some bubble wrap. So I don't think that's going to do it. Also, I don't think a UPS employee would take a $1000 traceable device and put at risk a job that probably pays a decent salary. But something happened to the device and you will just need to keep on Google to find out what happened. Has the phone been turned on? They should have a record of that as well as blacklisting the IMEI. It might take a while but with persistence you should get your money back.
Hello OkayGK, hope it all works out for you. I'm waiting for my phone to arrive. It's been 2 weeks. Can you please tell me how to get in touch with company reps. Thanks. Again I hope they resolve your issues and you get your refund. Good Luck.
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Hello OkayGK, hope it all works out for you. I'm waiting for my phone to arrive. It's been 2 weeks. Can you please tell me how to get in touch with company reps. Thanks. Again I hope they resolve your issues and you get your refund. Good Luck.
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Hey. Funny I deleted my bookmark for Google support the other day to clean up my chrome Abit. I have the number for the saved to my phone. Didn't think I'd need the bookmark anymore.
Search through Google store in your account settings.
Should find it somewhere there.
For Canada here's the # (855) 836-3987
OkayGK said:
Hey. Funny I deleted my bookmark for Google support the other day to clean up my chrome Abit. I have the number for the saved to my phone. Didn't think I'd need the bookmark anymore.
Search through Google store in your account settings.
Should find it somewhere there.
For Canada here's the # (855) 836-3987
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Thanks for the info. I will look in my settings for contact info. I never got an email from them saying it was shipped yet. So i guess it's just do to normal delay time. I think if is not shipped the support reps. will not have any status info. on order.
I've read stories about people doing chargebacks in similar situations which can result in your entire Google account being closed. Just FYI if you intend to dispute the charge or file small claims, they may just close your account and move on.
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I wonder if the lady at the store took it after you left. She could of easily told another employee/driver that hey there's a $1000 phone in there take it. Not very uncommon for UPS/FedEx etc to steal from customers.
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Anything is possible but the lady was older and seamed nice. I kept thinking it was on googles end.
I went to talk to UPS, lady wasn't working. Talked to another gentleman there. He told me he will talk with her as well as if i need a letter from them they can assist. I was told as soon as the package leaves that store it is in UPS hands. So now, i think a driver or anyone else could have taken the item as well. Again, anything could happen at this point. I can entertain the ideas left and right where that phone could be.
Sucks
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Unfortunately, the pictures don't show a phone or a stand. They only show a box and some bubble wrap. So I don't think that's going to do it. Also, I don't think a UPS employee would take a $1000 traceable device and put at risk a job that probably pays a decent salary. But something happened to the device and you will just need to keep on Google to find out what happened. Has the phone been turned on? They should have a record of that as well as blacklisting the IMEI. It might take a while but with persistence you should get your money back.
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Yeah, i doubt ups store took it, however drivers could... I've heard stories. Also, remember the story where google had chose a shipper to deliver phones to us and that company would take the phones out of the boxes and ship empty boxes? i think i read it somewhere here. Had me so paranoid, i was taking videos while unboxing my phones.
What UPS guy told me today is as soon as the package leave their location it goes to a wh. Where they weight the package and charge google according to its weight. Im sure they could look at that and see how heavy the box was when UPS shipped it. That would tell everything right away. If it was as light as just a stand means phone was taken out. If the package was heavy enough for a stand and a phone/accessories then its on googles end. Of course i could have put stones inside those boxes. Yet i wasnt even lucky enough to have google come back to me with that. Still have to call them see what where how etc.
I would not want to band the Imei as it can probably be changed remotely. Least if I let the IMEI number be there is a chance if the phone is in use it could show.
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I've read stories about people doing chargebacks in similar situations which can result in your entire Google account being closed. Just FYI if you intend to dispute the charge or file small claims, they may just close your account and move on.
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Sadly, i understand. I paid of my Mastercard as i kept waiting for weeks to get refund from them. I could of gave that phone or bought a new phone for my gf, or use that money for something else. The fact that some asshole may be using my phone or someone made a fvck up and got away with it, whether its UPS or Google, now thats hard to swallow. Im trying to be possessive and making my peace with it but ill also will keep trying to do everything i can to get the refund. Cant give up, yet. Im not rich to close my eyes on this it hurts and even rich people probably would still fight this.
here is the last response form google rep who was looking after my case.
Thank you for contacting Google Support!
Thanks for contacting us about your order. We’ve carefully reviewed your case and our records confirm that the package you have sent us does not contain the device, therefore we have not processed the refund.
As a next step, you may consider initiating an investigation with the carrier or notify local law enforcement. We’ll be happy to assist in an investigation.
The more I think about this, it's a straight up UPS claim and you will not have much if any trouble getting UPS to pay up.
How did you purchase the phone? All debit and credit cards with Visa/MasterCard on them have protection built in. Contact your card provider. It does not matter if you paid it off. Hopefully you have the UPS tracking # too as they are likely the ones that your card or Google is going to go after, after the fact as all shipments have insurance on them.
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Great, thank you for the advice. Ill go to UPS tomorrow to chat to them but if i can go to a small claim court ill do that too. thank you, thank you.
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Any update? I hope you able to make headway, sending good vibes.
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How did you purchase the phone? All debit and credit cards with Visa/MasterCard on them have protection built in. Contact your card provider. It does not matter if you paid it off. Hopefully you have the UPS tracking # too as they are likely the ones that your card or Google is going to go after, after the fact as all shipments have insurance on them.
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I have two credits link to google as well as paypal. Now i think just one credit as the limit on it was increased so there was no need for another but at the time of purchases ive had two.
I don't know why the credit card is liable for this. I know, i know get my money anyway... who cares where it comes from but now the more i got to sleep on it the more im bothered by the fact i got owned and less by the money. No im not rich, i want the money but its hard to explain. All i know it bothers allot.
I just dunno anymore, lost a bit. again, friday i found out from google they couldnt find the device and now its monday. Less im bothered by the money more im bothered by the scam or mistake someones made. stings.
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Any update? I hope you able to make headway, sending good vibes.
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Not yet, ive been so so busy. still am but hopefully im going to call google later on today. see whats up and then call UPS and try to file a claim.
The more i read their email (google). I posted on the first page. The more i understand that they asked me to contact my carrier, meaning not google but my cell phone carrier. WTF, how is carrier responsible. And Police im guessing which is again nor here or there but hey if i need to ill go to authorities.
My priority as of now and im not so upset anymore is
Call google and find out
Did they get my package (the box)
When they opened, what was in the box?
One item (stand) or two Items( phone and the stand) or non? As they were not clean in the email and even refund for the stand didnt come in.
More importantly. UPS store told me USP will charge them for package weight. So how heavy was the box? So if the box was 6 pounds (3 pounds for phone and 3 for a stand) and they received the box and it was light as nothing was in there, wouldnt that hit red flags automatically? Light box, when opened nothing in it, yet it says its 6 pounds. UPS wtf, where are items. or am i wrong?
Unless google doesnt weigh the products then by that definition they should be liable in my mind, as UPS can be sending empty boxes non stop and google can tell customers fuk off, u sent us nothing. You know what i mean.
So that info is going to be crucial for me, If i can get someone on the line who can actually provide me something instead of looking at the screen reading what it says there and saying "sorry" every two min.
I'll keep you all updated, thank you for the support.
Have the Pixel 6 Pro here, noticed that when I open the camera sometimes it will just freeze up and reboot. Does this about 10 times a day. I tried reflashing the FULL OTA and Factory Images to no avail thinking it was software.
So after two hours last night of waiting to talk to customer service I tell them my issue and without hesitation she said "We will send you a new replacement phone." But it's gone be a minute and I said that's fine. I then ...and message her and go "Is it a refurbished phone a new one." She tells me they do not GIVE you a NEW phone even if it is DEFECTIVE they send you a REFURBISHED.
I told her absolutely NO thanks, in the kindest way possible, and asked if cancellation was an option, I explained I did NOT spend $1100 for a refurbished phone. Absolutely no way. She then goes on to tell me that she understands AND AGREES and that she will ask and get back to me in a few days if they can send me a NEW new one. I said if she has to jump through hoops it legit is olay to cancel it. I refuse to spend that much and have a frankenphone. You dig?
Buttt anywhooo, Just lettin y'all know...if your phone is bork, they gone sendja a refurb. You need to ASK for a new. Unless it's past the first 15 days or whatnot then you HAVE to get a refurb. But I can't live with that fact.
I would feel the same way. If using a credit card to buy a phone, some credit cards have rules which would give you options to get your money back as well, if it gets past the 15 days.
I'm really not surprised that they would do this, however. Just sucks every company would do the same thing.
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I would feel the same way. If using a credit card to buy a phone, some credit cards have rules which would give you options to get your money back as well, if it gets past the 15 days.
I'm really not surprised that they would do this, however. Just sucks every company would do the same thing.
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I'm not mad? It's just kinda like really? I had two phones in the past that I bought new from Motorola and Oneplus that sent me brand new replacements. And my oneplus I owned for two MONTHS. I have had my 6 pro for 11 days I believe? It's just kinda like WOW. Haha my girlfriend and I were like no... we're not mad, but just cancel it.
Out of curiosity, for the sake of science, do you mind posting the logcat output capturing a few of these camera freeze up and reboot occurrences? Thanks
I'm surprised they would even have any refurbs at this time. When I did multiple replacements for my 2XL in a 2-3 month period from launch I was always sent a brand new retail package. Considering the supply issue and how popular the phone is. I would imagine they probably don't have many if any refurbs in stock to send out for warranty.
Or going by factory seconds where some did not make it out due to quality assurance checks, some phones are just born "frankenphones" at the factory itself.
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I'm surprised they would even have any refurbs at this time. When I did multiple replacements for my 2XL in a 2-3 month period from launch I was always sent a brand new retail package. Considering the supply issue and how popular the phone is. I would imagine they probably don't have many if any refurbs in stock to send out for warranty.
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Could have been as simple as already returned phones (for any reason, not even necessarily anything wrong with the phone) that the package was already opened / phone already removed from the packaging, etc, and needing minimal re-certification.
I still wouldn't want such a "refurb" so soon after buying the phone new, but there are lots of reasons why they might have phones they consider refurb in stock.
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Could have been as simple as already returned phones (for any reason, not even necessarily anything wrong with the phone) that the package was already opened / phone already removed from the packaging, etc, and needing minimal re-certification.
I still wouldn't want such a "refurb" so soon after buying the phone new, but there are lots of reasons why they might have phones they consider refurb in stock.
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True, they do label those as "refurbs" as well. Would make sense they'd be mailing those out as they probably have little to no stock of brand new phones. I wouldn't care too much if I got someone's return as long as there's no cosmetic issues or mechanical issues on the device.
Exactly, I am not crying about the fact they're refurbs if I had the phone for like 6 months. But I have had this for 10 days. The phone ain't even a MONTH old. That's like a huge kick in the kahoonays for that much wallet spill...
The issue is the uncertainly on the degree of cosmetic/mechanical issues, making it a strict no from me at the retail price.
Ideal solution would be a $200 rebate on a certified refurb unit or a full refund for the inconvenience, stress, mental angst
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Exactly, I am not crying about the fact they're refurbs if I had the phone for like 6 months. But I have had this for 10 days. The phone ain't even a MONTH old. That's like a huge kick in the kahoonays for that much wallet spill...
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I wouldn't accept anything but new within the first 30 days. In your case they definitely should be giving you a brand new one. You probably got a crappy rep, I would try again with another one. Easier said than done with how nonexistent support has been since launch. Within the first 14 days they're supposed to give new devices as a replacement. Good luck man!
Depending on how much I love the product, I usually try to rule out user error first because no product is bug-free or perfect, else simply I return it since it is clearly not worth my time trying to beta test their product and buy a more reputable and reliable product.
In the Android world, Samsung has excellent brand loyalty for this reason and something Google should learn from if they wish to retain their customer base and build brand loyalty.
I mean no disrespect at all to any fans of Samsung - I loved my Galaxy S3 a long time ago. But the way Samsung's software doesn't work well for my usage, and how they make some things not work as well as they do on Pixels made my wife and I return to Pixels and sell our Note 10+ after only a year and a half - and I usually keep a phone for 3 years or at least until it's no longer updated.
The Note 10+ hardware was top-notch. Couldn't stand the software, though, and my P6P is already working much better for my wife and I than the Note 10+ was.
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Have the Pixel 6 Pro here, noticed that when I open the camera sometimes it will just freeze up and reboot. Does this about 10 times a day. I tried reflashing the FULL OTA and Factory Images to no avail thinking it was software.
So after two hours last night of waiting to talk to customer service I tell them my issue and without hesitation she said "We will send you a new replacement phone." But it's gone be a minute and I said that's fine. I then ...and message her and go "Is it a refurbished phone a new one." She tells me they do not GIVE you a NEW phone even if it is DEFECTIVE they send you a REFURBISHED.
I told her absolutely NO thanks, in the kindest way possible, and asked if cancellation was an option, I explained I did NOT spend $1100 for a refurbished phone. Absolutely no way. She then goes on to tell me that she understands AND AGREES and that she will ask and get back to me in a few days if they can send me a NEW new one. I said if she has to jump through hoops it legit is olay to cancel it. I refuse to spend that much and have a frankenphone. You dig?
Buttt anywhooo, Just lettin y'all know...if your phone is bork, they gone sendja a refurb. You need to ASK for a new. Unless it's past the first 15 days or whatnot then you HAVE to get a refurb. But I can't live with that fact.
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I received my P6 Pro 2 days before launch, had a couple bugs, talked with a Customer Rep and got a replacement shipped on the 29.10 - the (replacement) phone arrived in new and pristine condition; phone was brand new, the packaging was new, nothing refurbished there. Mind though, that I was (ofc) still in return window.
Maybe what you say is true after a while when there are phones that have been refurbished, but as far as I can understand, not at launch. Also, as mentioned, return window might be a deciding factor.
Glad to see great customer service on Google's part. I also like that they're opening Pixel exclusive stores.
Could you elaborate on the two bugs that made it a deal breaker for you to hold on to your very first unit?
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I received my P6 Pro 2 days before launch, had a couple bugs, talked with a Customer Rep and got a replacement shipped on the 29.10 - the phone arrived in new and pristine condition; phone was brand new, the packaging was new, nothing refurbished there. Mind though, that I was (ofc) still in return window.
Maybe what you say is true after a while when there are phones that have been refurbished, but as far as I can understand, not at launch.
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Glad to see great customer service on Google's part. I also like that they're opening Pixel exclusive stores.
Could you elaborate on the two bugs that made it a deal breaker for you to hold on to your very first unit?
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I had a couple minor quirks, but the dealbreakers for me were
a) random reboots (didn't bother me the first 1 1/2 days because they only happened in idle, but then the phone randomly rebooted whilst I used it to navigate, that was unacceptable)
b) heavy lens flicker, even with clean glass (random rays of light whenever in 70% of shot pictures against/ with the sun)
Since using the replacement device, I neither had random reboots nor any more heavy lens flicker. Its possible ofc that these were software and not hardware isses, but since I set up my P6 Pro replacement the same way that I set up the "original" p6 pro one (cable backup transfer from my previous phone), it's hard to find that out.
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Exactly, I am not crying about the fact they're refurbs if I had the phone for like 6 months. But I have had this for 10 days. The phone ain't even a MONTH old. That's like a huge kick in the kahoonays for that much wallet spill...
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Totally understand. It reminds me of my new iphone 5. I got it through the carrier by signing up. I take it home only got the camera to not work. I go back to the shop and they tell me Apple handles repairs and replacements. I'm fuming. So I immediately take the train to go to the Apple store. They tell me no appointment? no help. So I have to go home and try the next day. I ask the guy handing me the replacement if it's a new phone. He says it is. But as I'm riding the train back home I realize that in the language I asked him I was a little ambiguous with my phrasing and to this day I still wonder if it was a new phone.
Anyhow, it cost me over 20 dollars and 4 hours of my time because I was given a lemon. Thanks for letting me vent about something that was 9 years ago...
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Exactly, I am not crying about the fact they're refurbs if I had the phone for like 6 months. But I have had this for 10 days. The phone ain't even a MONTH old. That's like a huge kick in the kahoonays for that much wallet spill...
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Totally understand. It reminds me of my new iphone 5. I got it through the carrier by signing up. I take it home only got the camera to not work. I go back to the shop and they tell me Apple handles repairs and replacements. I'm fuming. So I immediately take the train to go to the Apple store. They tell me no appointment? no help. So I have to go home and try the next day. I ask the guy handing me the replacement of it's a new phone. He says it is. But as I'm riding the train back home I realize that in the language I asked him it was a little ambiguous with my phrasing.
Anyhow, it cost me over 20 dollars and 4 hours of my time because I was given a lemon. Thanks for letting me vent about something that was 9 years ago
Google has been doing this for years, this is nothing new.
So I decided to share my experience with Google so far. An experience that unfortunately is still ongoing. I'll start by saying the last pixel device I purchased was the nexus 6p. Decided I was going to try the pixel 6 pro as I was intrigued with the new features and Google tensor capabilities.
Release day comes. I try to preorder the 6p and the website keeps crashing before I can complete the order. After 2 hours of trying, I suddenly get a message say they were out of stock. I was bummed. I decided to try later that night and to my surprise everything was back in stock and I was able to finally submit my order.
After waiting a week or two, my device finally ships and arrives. I have the phone for 2 weeks and suddenly the system board completely fries. Screen totally black and will not power on. I Google my options and find a page where Google recommends taking it to an "authorized repair shop". The shop is nearly 45 minutes away. I take it there only to be told "they will see what they can do". A few days later I get a call and they say the system board is fried and I should contact Google to have a replacement sent out. I already knew the system board was likely fried from the symptoms. The "repair shop had no parts to fix the phone and had no replacements in hand to swap mine out with. So what was the point in trying them? I ended up wasting 3 hours of driving time just to be in the same position I was.
So I contact Google and initiate a replacement request after waiting on hold for over 1 hour. I pick the "rush" option where they send the device and put a hold on your account until you send back the old phone. After a week, my replacement still wasn't shipped. I had to contact Google support and after the 4th try, they finally shipped out the replacement. As soon as I received the replacement, I sent back the defective unit with the prepaid label they included. It was due back December 16th to avoid charges. I tracked my package and it showed Google received it December 9th. Ok .. great. End of story right? Nope!
December 16th rolls around and I get a notice saying I didn't send back the defective device and I would be charged the full amount of the replacement device. Furious that I once again would have to reach out to Google, I replied to the email from my last support ticket to let them know they once again messed up and incorrectly charged me. I receive a reply saying my issue would be escalated. After 3 days I heard nothing else. I replied to email asking for an update and again, no response. So I decided I would have to once again get a call from Google. The support person clearly had no idea what they were doing and I was told they were going to escalate the ticket and I would hear back in 24 - 48 hours. 3 days later, still have not heard back. So once again, time to contact Google. Again, same result as I was given no answers and the ticket was escalated and still have not heard anything back.
So it has now been 2 weeks that I was incorrectly charged and $973 was stolen from my account. Google obviously does not want to fix this as it takes 5 seconds to confirm with tracking number that I sent the device back and issue a refund. At this time I feel like I need to look at other options because they simply will not resolve the issue.
Has anyone else ever had this awful experience with google trying to get an incorrect charge removed/reimbursed? I am thinking of disputing the charge through my bank to see if they have better luck, but not sure if that is the best answer or not. One thing is for sure, Google will NEVER make another dime from me as long as I am alive. 2 weeks and they still have not corrected a mistake THEY made and returned my money? Outrageous. I wouldn't expect this level of support from the worst company in the world.
I am sorry that you had to go through this. I read someone else's experience which was similar on the Google Pixel reddit. Not sure if you posted there too but there are a few others who have either gotten damaged phones or received empty boxes and they stated Google would just escalate the issue, back and forth several times.
From my experience, I've never had an issue with Google support but this was for the Nexus 6p, 2XL, 3XL, and 4XL. Each time an advanced RMA went through without a hitch.
For my first 6 Pro that I sent back for a screen issue, the support person seemed to have no idea what I was talking about as they were asking if I modified the screen or the underside of the screen? Nonetheless they issued an Advanced RMA and I got it and sent the old unit back without problems.
But as I have been noticing, I think their support has been outsourced now, they are short staffed and it seems "escalating" just means it will get passed on to the next support person. The last time I called, I could barely hear the support person because you could hear everyone else in the call center too. I don't recall having this same experience on my previous phones years ago.
Have you tried calling instead of email? Keep trying until you get an Agent that is willing to help. If anything, try to tweet them at @madebygoogle with your issue and see if that gets the ball rolling.
If you do a charge back they can block access to your google account so make sure you back everything up and take it out of google if you absolutely have to do this.
Good advice above on the charge back. I have heard of that happening.
Google employees don't so support, they farm support, shipping and repair out to Ingram. They suck.
Bummer! It's needle in a hay stack to get good googleeeee support all in one place!
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I am sorry that you had to go through this. I read someone else's experience which was similar on the Google Pixel reddit. Not sure if you posted there too but there are a few others who have either gotten damaged phones or received empty boxes and they stated Google would just escalate the issue, back and forth several times.
From my experience, I've never had an issue with Google support but this was for the Nexus 6p, 2XL, 3XL, and 4XL. Each time an advanced RMA went through without a hitch.
For my first 6 Pro that I sent back for a screen issue, the support person seemed to have no idea what I was talking about as they were asking if I modified the screen or the underside of the screen? Nonetheless they issued an Advanced RMA and I got it and sent the old unit back without problems.
But as I have been noticing, I think their support has been outsourced now, they are short staffed and it seems "escalating" just means it will get passed on to the next support person. The last time I called, I could barely hear the support person because you could hear everyone else in the call center too. I don't recall having this same experience on my previous phones years ago.
Have you tried calling instead of email? Keep trying until you get an Agent that is willing to help. If anything, try to tweet them at @madebygoogle with your issue and see if that gets the ball rolling.
If you do a charge back they can block access to your google account so make sure you back everything up and take it out of google if you absolutely have to do this.
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Yea I first started with email, pretty much got blown off, then I requested a call twice, both times resulting in the same "we will escalate your issue and you'll hear back in 1 or 2 days", and this last time I used chat. Surprisingly, the chat person has been replying to my emails, but still unhelpful as the replied are "your issue has been escalated, please allow us another 1- 3 days to resolve your issue" every 3 days. I just don't understand how a company is allowed to operate in this way. Yes accidents happen and companies sometimes screw up, but then they are quick to own and resolve it. Definitely hasn't been the case here. Especially with doing this right before the holidays when money is tight? I'm comfortable right now, but a lot of people can't afford to have $973 stolen from them.
I just realized I first reached out to Google December 12th after noticing the hold was still on my account 3 days after FedEx tracking confirmed it was shipped and they received it. Still have not been refunded. That means today is day 23 that Google incorrectly stole my money and has not refunded me. 23 days. UNBELIEVABLE. Never EVER buying a Google product from Google again. Sadly a quick Google search reveals my case is not an abnormally. Hopefully their support catches up to them and the company crashes and burns. One can hope. No legit company should be permitted to operate in this way.
I hope that you have proof of your sent-in (pictures of the package, receipt from sending in). I'd probably wait a couple more days (~ 1 month total) and in case they haven't refunded you by then, write them again (e-mail or whatever, always in written form! telephone is worth nothing in front a court, since you can't proof sh*t) and give them a deadline (must be reasonable) to process your case, or else you will go to a lawyer.
As advice for the future (in case you haven't done that already), if you package anything of value - my own minimum is ~150 € - have a witness there when you package the product (friend, mother, whatever - dog will probably not count - if you want to go overkill, prepare a written statement for them (product is in functioning condition, is packed properly, witness to that blabliblup), so they can just sign it to help your case - in case anything goes wrong), best also make a small video / photos of the packaging process. That way you have hard proof and if you go to a lawyer with that, they'll rub their hands and get you your money in no time. It's important that you can prove that you have properly shipped the product.
I know that this sounds "overkill", but you have just experienced why this is important. DHL once destroyed a 4 figures expensive OLED of mine whilst transporting it and only because I prepared proof in advance of the pristine condition of the product, I was able to get 100% of my money back. It will only take a couple minutes - and s*it happens. In 99 of 100 cases, it will not be important and you might "waste" a couple minutes each time. But once you get a problem... you will wish that you made the effort...
By the way, since you talked about bank/reimbursed (disputing the charge through your bank) in your OP post, DO NOT do that. Google will use that as an excuse to shut down all your Google accounts, since "the relationship of trust with the customer is disturbed" - or something along the lines of that. If they don't act within a reasonable time frame given, get a lawyer. Do not act on your own and DO NOT remove money from Googles account. That will instantly create red flags in your profile and will permanently damage your standing with that company. And since Google is just a small indie company, you might not care about that. But... You know where I'm going with this.
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I just realized I first reached out to Google December 12th after noticing the hold was still on my account 3 days after FedEx tracking confirmed it was shipped and they received it. Still have not been refunded. That means today is day 23 that Google incorrectly stole my money and has not refunded me. 23 days. UNBELIEVABLE. Never EVER buying a Google product from Google again. Sadly a quick Google search reveals my case is not an abnormally. Hopefully their support catches up to them and the company crashes and burns. One can hope. No legit company should be permitted to operate in this way.
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So you didn't get charged but have a hold on the amount, right? Don't banks remove a hold after a certain number of days? I'd start with them. As for destroying your Google account, they used to do that when Google was running the return/support process. Now they have outsourced it and I wonder if they will still do that. I haven't seen current reports on that but you can check Reddit for all the down and dirty stuff like that.
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I hope that you have proof of your sent-in (pictures of the package, receipt from sending in). I'd probably wait a couple more days (~ 1 month total) and in case they haven't refunded you by then, write them again (e-mail or whatever, always in written form! telephone is worth nothing in front a court, since you can't proof sh*t) and give them a deadline (must be reasonable) to process your case, or else you will go to a lawyer.
As advice for the future (in case you haven't done that already), if you package anything of value - my own minimum is ~150 € - have a witness there when you package the product (friend, mother, whatever - dog will probably not count - if you want to go overkill, prepare a written statement for them (product is in functioning condition, is packed properly, witness to that blabliblup), so they can just sign it to help your case - in case anything goes wrong), best also make a small video / photos of the packaging process. That way you have hard proof and if you go to a lawyer with that, they'll rub their hands and get you your money in no time. It's important that you can prove that you have properly shipped the product.
I know that this sounds "overkill", but you have just experienced why this is important. DHL once destroyed a 4 figures expensive OLED of mine whilst transporting it and only because I prepared proof in advance of the pristine condition of the product, I was able to get 100% of my money back. It will only take a couple minutes - and s*it happens. In 99 of 100 cases, it will not be important and you might "waste" a couple minutes each time. But once you get a problem... you will wish that you made the effort...
By the way, since you talked about bank/reimbursed (disputing the charge through your bank) in your OP post, DO NOT do that. Google will use that as an excuse to shut down all your Google accounts, since "the relationship of trust with the customer is disturbed" - or something along the lines of that. If they don't act within a reasonable time frame given, get a lawyer. Do not act on your own and DO NOT remove money from Googles account. That will instantly create red flags in your profile and will permanently damage your standing with that company. And since Google is just a small indie company, you might not care about that. But... You know where I'm going with this.
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Thanks. Appreciate the feedback and advice. You know, you are 100 percent correct with sending things back. No one really thinks about it because a majority of the time it goes smoothly, but when there are issues it's extremely difficult to prove and any extra steps/precautions would be critical. I will start doing this going forward as I am a very precautions person and have little trust in the way everything operates nowadays.
I finally got an email from Google a few hours ago saying they were "processing a refund". Disturbing part is it says it can take up to 14 days. So hopefully at this point it's resolved and the money shows up. I notified my bank to seize looking into this matter for now and hold the claim to avoid any issues you mentioned. What an absolute nightmare. I truly can't understand how they are a successful lucrative company and have support comparable to a kindergarten student at a lemonade stand.
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So you didn't get charged but have a hold on the amount, right? Don't banks remove a hold after a certain number of days? I'd start with them. As for destroying your Google account, they used to do that when Google was running the return/support process. Now they have outsourced it and I wonder if they will still do that. I haven't seen current reports on that but you can check Reddit for all the down and dirty stuff like that.
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At first it was a hold until December 16th when they sent an email saying they never received it and it turned into a legit charge. Unreal, but finally seem to be making progress as per my last post.
I did a quick search and man... It's disturbing to see how common this is. I mean how can a company operate this way and yet still generate hundreds of millions in revenue? Blows my mind.
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I did a quick search and man... It's disturbing to see how common this is. I mean how can a company operate this way and yet still generate hundreds of millions in revenue? Blows my mind.
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Do a search for Samsung, Apple, (insert name of company here) and you will find the same results. It's just the way it is and always has been. Just much more pronounced now in this day of covid and people not working and everyone understaffed.
Yes, my experience with Google warranty was very similar.
The problem is these ass clowns are using FedEx Ground and they take their sweet ass time. Not only with this shipment but literally every shipment for me that's ever touched their system for the last year has been delayed. If not stated no delivery information available, what???
I used to work for FedEx Express. There was pride in there their work ethic and getting people their stuff typically within minutes of the commitment time at the latest. Now they just don't give AF.
Yes, they charged my card too. I called fraud and had them reach out to FedEx Ground and fix their lazy delivery style.
In addition, Google was very slow to admit that my old phone was overheating from no user error whatsoever. That process took two months. They definitely didn't send me a replacement that was an unlocked bootloader.
What a nightmare.
I bought an open box 6 Pro from Best Buy and it randomly decides to have a stuck green pixel and a giant line across the screen. Trying to exchange it has been hell because it has to be another open box and they are hard to catch but I managed to today. The phone rep guy just added it to my original order and it's gonna be here tuesday. No mention of returning the one I have.
This is a simple BUYER BEWARE Public Service Announcement about using Google's TRADE-IN process when buying their device.
I pre-ordered my Pixel 6 Pro early and chose the trade-in route with my Pixel 5.
During the trade-in process I was quoted $405 if my device 1) turned on, 2) wasn't cracked, and 3) was factory reset. My P5 is in mint condition so I sent it in and Google's third party partner handing trade-ins received it November 22nd.
The assessment process is supposed to take 3-5 days. They send you a link to watch the progress of your trade-in. After two weeks of my progress sitting on "Assessing your device" I tried contacting Google customer service.
At least with the trade-in process, Google's customer service is non-existent! After hours and hours of searching and trying to reach a human being, it never happened. Automated Q&A at best, if you make the "right" selections you MIGHT end up with a chat window and a two hour wait (only happened once and it made ZERO difference).
Honestly, once you send in your device for trade-in, you are 100% at their mercy on whether you get a refund or not.
I read where one Xda member said they sent in a Pixel 5 and was told Google received a Pixel 2 XL and was refunded the $40 value of a Pixel 2 XL, instead of the several hundred they were quoted for their Pixel 5. I was skeptical of this claim until I ran into Google's terrible customer service. There is NO recourse, no rebuttal, there is nothing you can do (short of a civil lawsuit) if they claim you sent in a burrito instead of a pristine device!
I waited 43 days, and received 16 emails (each with the canned response "their special team is looking into the issue") before I finally received an answer.
Just yesterday, January 4th, I received the email that I will be refunded $439.
Needless to say I will NEVER, EVER trade-in with Google again. My Pixel 5 in mint condition was only fetching $450-ish on Swappa, so it made sense to go the "easier" Google trade-in route.
I. WILL. NOT. MAKE. THAT. MISTAKE. AGAIN.
Do your research, and make sure you understand ALL the details of Google trade-in BEFORE you send your device to them.
I had a similar issue with OnePlus tradein. I trade in a 'perfect' device (clean, absolutely not a single scratch, etc). Was quoted 320 euro. Sent the device to the trade-in partner. They claimed the device still contained my Google account (despite me having removed the account and factory-reset before I sent it). Zillions of mails and online support chats.
"Don't worry ... it will be solved sir ..."
Every single time had another support guy on mail/chat and had to repeat the same story over and over again.
Yeah right. After 4 months of trying and posting the story daily on OnePlus social media, threatening with legal action, even filing a police complaint, they simply decided to pay me 30 euro and that was the end of the story. After that they simply refused to accept any further mails/chats despite my formal complaint that I did not accept their offer.
No official reaction ever form OnePlus.
At the end, I was so tired of it that I "gave up".
Hearing your story, just wanted to post this here as well.
I don't even know with which obscure trade-in partner I was dealing with. They never wanted to reveal their true identity and kept hiding behind OnePlus despite them handling all online Q&A.
(apologies for slight off-topic)
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This is a simple BUYER BEWARE Public Service Announcement about using Google's TRADE-IN process when buying their device.
I pre-ordered my Pixel 6 Pro early and chose the trade-in route with my Pixel 5.
During the trade-in process I was quoted $405 if my device 1) turned on, 2) wasn't cracked, and 3) was factory reset. My P5 is in mint condition so I sent it in and Google's third party partner handing trade-ins received it November 22nd.
The assessment process is supposed to take 3-5 days. They send you a link to watch the progress of your trade-in. After two weeks of my progress sitting on "Assessing your device" I tried contacting Google customer service.
At least with the trade-in process, Google's customer service is non-existent! After hours and hours of searching and trying to reach a human being, it never happened. Automated Q&A at best, if you make the "right" selections you MIGHT end up with a chat window and a two hour wait (only happened once and it made ZERO difference).
Honestly, once you send in your device for trade-in, you are 100% at their mercy on whether you get a refund or not.
I read where one Xda member said they sent in a Pixel 5 and was told Google received a Pixel 2 XL and was refunded the $40 value of a Pixel 2 XL, instead of the several hundred they were quoted for their Pixel 5. I was skeptical of this claim until I ran into Google's terrible customer service. There is NO recourse, no rebuttal, there is nothing you can do (short of a civil lawsuit) if they claim you sent in a burrito instead of a pristine device!
I waited 43 days, and received 16 emails (each with the canned response "their special team is looking into the issue") before I finally received an answer.
Just yesterday, January 4th, I received the email that I will be refunded $439.
Needless to say I will NEVER, EVER trade-in with Google again. My Pixel 5 in mint condition was only fetching $450-ish on Swappa, so it made sense to go the "easier" Google trade-in route.
I. WILL. NOT. MAKE. THAT. MISTAKE. AGAIN.
Do your research, and make sure you understand ALL the details of Google trade-in BEFORE you send your device to them.
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Sorry you had to go through the dysfunctional world known as Go0gle, but sage advice.
I'm actually on chat with google right now regarding my P4XL trade in for the P6P. It delivered a week ago, but they say "waiting to receive your trade in".
I read a thread yesterday were the poster was complaining about returning his phone and receiving a replacement and the clusterfuc# it had become. I replied and I'll say the same thing here. It's not just Google. Insert any company name and you can tell the same story. In this era of covid and people not wanting to work and supply issues it is just a mess everywhere. We order parts here and they don't arrive, or the wrong one show up and we call customer service and it's a shi$ show every time.
shiftr182 said:
I'm actually on chat with google right now regarding my P4XL trade in for the P6P. It delivered a week ago, but they say "waiting to receive your trade in".
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Get ready for the ride!
You'll start receiving emails like this every third day:
Dec 10th
Hi Az Biker,
Thank You for contacting Google Support!
This is a follow up email as per our conversation over chat regarding Trade-in refund. I would like to inform you that I’m consulting with our product experts and they’re actively working on a resolution. I’ll keep you updated within 24-48 hours.
I appreciate your continued patience and cooperation in this matter.
In case you have any other query please feel free to reply to the same email, I will be happy to help you.
Thanks!
David
The Google Support Team
Jan 3rd
Hi Az Biker,
Thank you for contacting Google Support Team!
We really apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. I can understand your situation. This is something that we do not want our customers to experience. I request you to please wait for the update from our specialist team. Once there is an update, we will get back to you soon.
I appreciate your continued patience and cooperation in this matter.
In case you have any other query please feel free to reply to the same email, I will be happy to help you.
Thanks!
David
The Google Support Team
Every email in between said the same thing. I started to feel like my device was lost or stolen and they were just looking for a way to put it back on me.
I think the delivery notification held them to the fire, as it was already in their possession.
Hopefully everything works out for you. Report back here when you get an update.
Hahaha! Just got the first one! I was in the same boat as you.... my P4XL was only worth around $250 or so on Swappa, and after you factor in Paypal, Swappa, shipping, etc. I opted to just trade in for $209 or something. I guess we'll just wait and see. If I would have known it was going to take that long I probably would have just kept it as an extra.
shiftr182 said:
I probably would have just kept it as an extra.
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That's what I did with my OP8. It was worth more to me as a backup than what I could sell it for. And personally the last thing I would do is trade it in because of exactly stories like these. I mean I don't want to offend anyone but what were you expecting? To me that course of action had clusterfuc+ written all over it.
Atlest there is a possibility that you might get some money, the trade in solution where i live will pay you 400$ at the top for a brand new iPhone 13 Pro Max, like that is gonna happen.
android_dan said:
That's what I did with my OP8. It was worth more to me as a backup than what I could sell it for. And personally the last thing I would do is trade it in because of exactly stories like these. I mean I don't want to offend anyone but what were you expecting? To me that course of action had clusterfuc+ written all over it.
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Lol, for me it was a way of swaying my wife into letting me get the P6P..... Google will pay me for my old phone
Az Biker said:
This is a simple BUYER BEWARE Public Service Announcement about using Google's TRADE-IN process when buying their device.
I pre-ordered my Pixel 6 Pro early and chose the trade-in route with my Pixel 5.
During the trade-in process I was quoted $405 if my device 1) turned on, 2) wasn't cracked, and 3) was factory reset. My P5 is in mint condition so I sent it in and Google's third party partner handing trade-ins received it November 22nd.
The assessment process is supposed to take 3-5 days. They send you a link to watch the progress of your trade-in. After two weeks of my progress sitting on "Assessing your device" I tried contacting Google customer service.
At least with the trade-in process, Google's customer service is non-existent! After hours and hours of searching and trying to reach a human being, it never happened. Automated Q&A at best, if you make the "right" selections you MIGHT end up with a chat window and a two hour wait (only happened once and it made ZERO difference).
Honestly, once you send in your device for trade-in, you are 100% at their mercy on whether you get a refund or not.
I read where one Xda member said they sent in a Pixel 5 and was told Google received a Pixel 2 XL and was refunded the $40 value of a Pixel 2 XL, instead of the several hundred they were quoted for their Pixel 5. I was skeptical of this claim until I ran into Google's terrible customer service. There is NO recourse, no rebuttal, there is nothing you can do (short of a civil lawsuit) if they claim you sent in a burrito instead of a pristine device!
I waited 43 days, and received 16 emails (each with the canned response "their special team is looking into the issue") before I finally received an answer.
Just yesterday, January 4th, I received the email that I will be refunded $439.
Needless to say I will NEVER, EVER trade-in with Google again. My Pixel 5 in mint condition was only fetching $450-ish on Swappa, so it made sense to go the "easier" Google trade-in route.
I. WILL. NOT. MAKE. THAT. MISTAKE. AGAIN.
Do your research, and make sure you understand ALL the details of Google trade-in BEFORE you send your device to them.
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wait. So you got more than you thought. All you really had to do was wait? That's what it is? So maybe with the omicron virus going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people. You got your money, right? who cares that you waited and received a couple of confusing emails. Please understand that there is "real people" on the other end. With the way this world is right now my friend were lucky we even have customer service to begin with. We are on the edge of a cliff with one leg off in a full jump. So enjoy your refund.....count yourself lucky you got it.
Although this will undoubtedly piss people off, I am only being real.
I'm really to sorry to hear about that, @Az Biker. The other person you referenced in the OP was eventually successful as well, and received the proper credit, from what I remember.
I'm really glad I always choose to sell our old phones on Swappa, when I don't keep one as a spare. So far - knock on wood - the only negative experience I had on Swappa was buying a used Pixel 1 128 GB that was supposed to be Google Edition for ~$50. It was Verizon Edition, and I could've sent it back for a refund, but there was no way I was going to be able to get a Google Edition for that low, so no real biggee.
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wait. So you got more than you thought. All you really had to do was wait? That's what it is? So maybe with the omicron virus going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people. You got your money, right? who cares that you waited and received a couple of confusing emails. Please understand that there is "real people" on the other end. With the way this world is right now my friend were lucky we even have customer service to begin with. We are on the edge of a cliff with one leg off in a full jump. So enjoy your refund.....count yourself lucky you got it.
Although this will undoubtedly piss people off, I am only being real.
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I'm not ****ed off, but all he had to do was not just wait. It was contacting customer support on the not fun 200-year old rusting carousel of an experience umpteen times.
I wouldn't be happy with that happening to me, either.
wulfgarfang said:
So maybe with the omicron virus going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people.
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Please, people need to stop with the "virus excuse". You don't need this lame excuse when you're being a cr*ppy customer service. This has nothing to do with the current situation.
Companies need to get their sh*t together and do what they're supposed to do. If I used the same excuse at my job, I don't think my manager or my company would care much for it.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I'm not ****ed off, but all he had to do was not just wait. It was contacting customer support on the not fun 200-year old rusting carousel of an experience umpteen times.
I wouldn't be happy with that happening to me, either.
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Yeah that was a ridiculous reply to a serious issue. How much time, effort and money was wasted on the myriad of contacts needed.
But that aside, I have an alternate reality... er experience. I have never had an issue sending in a device to either Google or Verizon and I've done it countless times be it a defect or a trade-in. Maybe luck of the draw. On my P5 trade I had the money in my account within a week of dropping it off at the PO. I didn't get the 4 bills plus but the quoted amount of $385 I think it was. I also got a beautiful refurb from a tier 2 CSR for a problem that was really not Google's. He was a really nice guy too. But that was before.
On Swappa, OTOH, I sold my mint P4 for a pretty fair price. The buyer bargained me down $60 and I said ah wft and sold it to him. Then I get an email with a telescopic picture of a slight rubbing along 1/8" where the case was. (an alcohol swab would have removed it) Still considered mint for all intents and purposes, I mean this was a gem. He said that rather than going thru a return if I gave him another $70 off he'd keep it. This is after paying for shipping, dropping the price, paying Swappa their fees, Paypal their fees so I reluctantly agreed but I'm sorry to this day that I did that. I believe this was hi MO but I did sort of let it go. Although I swore never again will I sell on Swappa. However, after this fiasco I might rethink keeping the device as a backup or figuring out a way to get it to Google where they can't claim this nonsense. But that's a year away about. Unless they come up with a face reader along with a FPR on the P7 which would make it oh.... 10 months? lol
I think really its the customer service thing... it is impossible to get ahold of anyone in customer service, and then your just waiting in limbo. The paperwork I received regarding my trade-in also said that it would be processed within 3 days of receiving. Its been a week since it delivered, and they still say that they are waiting to receive.
foobar66 said:
I had a similar issue with OnePlus tradein. I trade in a 'perfect' device (clean, absolutely not a single scratch, etc). Was quoted 320 euro. Sent the device to the trade-in partner. They claimed the device still contained my Google account (despite me having removed the account and factory-reset before I sent it). Zillions of mails and online support chats.
"Don't worry ... it will be solved sir ..."
Every single time had another support guy on mail/chat and had to repeat the same story over and over again.
Yeah right. After 4 months of trying and posting the story daily on OnePlus social media, threatening with legal action, even filing a police complaint, they simply decided to pay me 30 euro and that was the end of the story. After that they simply refused to accept any further mails/chats despite my formal complaint that I did not accept their offer.
No official reaction ever form OnePlus.
At the end, I was so tired of it that I "gave up".
Hearing your story, just wanted to post this here as well.
I don't even know with which obscure trade-in partner I was dealing with. They never wanted to reveal their true identity and kept hiding behind OnePlus despite them handling all online Q&A.
(apologies for slight off-topic)
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Dude that sucks! The hopeless feeling of doing everything right, then realizing you're just a number to them hits hard. That's what I was feeling. I'm like "I've purchased 6 top end smart phones from google and blah blah blah.. " then I realize I by myself am nothing to Google. Not in a militant, entitled bad way, but I'm just a bottom line number in ink.
wulfgarfang said:
wait. So you got more than you thought. All you really had to do was wait? That's what it is? So maybe with the omicron virus
going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people. You got your money, right? who cares that you waited and received a couple of confusing emails. Please understand that there is "real people" on the other end. With the way this world is right now my friend were lucky we even have customer service to begin with. We are on the edge of a cliff with one leg off in a full jump. So enjoy your refund.....count yourself lucky you got it.
Although this will undoubtedly piss people off, I am only being real.
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I waited two weeks, ten business days, before I sent my first email asking what's up. That's patience enough in waiting twice as long as advertised.
If Google is facing greater trade-in times for whatever reason, they should update the 3-5 days stated on their website when you process the trade-in.
Not once did any of their correspondence mention delays related to COVID. This is Google over promising and under delivering. You're welcome to your own opinion.
I did everything I was asked within the time limitations, why should I ask anything different of Google?
Do you for a second think Google would "be patient and understanding" if you had waited 43 days after the trade-in period expired to send in your device? Not a chance.
If you drive through fast food, order a #4 combo, get to the window and they ask you to park in front. Thirty minutes later they bring out your food and say, be glad you got your food at all we've been short staffed for weeks due to COVID...You're fine with that? No, add a note about increased wait times on the menu so I know what I'm getting into BEFORE I commit myself.
BTW, customers are real people too, and instead of receiving a $400 dollar refund real people are charged interest while waiting 43 days for their refund or maybe real people were depending on that refund for other things.
Bottom line, you say I'll get my refund in X amount of time, either hold true to your advertising or update the X amount of time. It's called good business.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I'm really to sorry to hear about that, @Az Biker. The other person you referenced in the OP was eventually successful as well, and received the proper credit, from what I remember.
I'm really glad I always choose to sell our old phones on Swappa, when I don't keep one as a spare. So far - knock on wood - the only negative experience I had on Swappa was buying a used Pixel 1 128 GB that was supposed to be Google Edition for ~$50. It was Verizon Edition, and I could've sent it back for a refund, but there was no way I was going to be able to get a Google Edition for that low, so no real biggee.
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Yeah, I have always used SWAPPA until this time. SHAME ON ME Swappa karma got me good
Ghisy said:
Please, people need to stop with the "virus excuse". You don't need this lame excuse when you're being a cr*ppy customer service. This has nothing to do with the current situation.
Companies need to get their sh*t together and do what they're supposed to do. If I used the same excuse at my job, I don't think my manager or my company would care much for it.
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I realize in certain circumstances this exists. I moonlight as a mechanic at a local TREK bicycle shop and ordered a 2022 Slash 9.8 GX using my employee discount (20% off a pretty expensive bike). Ordered it in March 2021 received it November 23rd, 2021, as an employee, but customers were getting theirs first, so I get it.
These things are made overseas and shipping backlog, yada yada yada. So I'm not immune to understanding delays. But yeah, the canned "COVID delay" response is being abused way too much!
bobby janow said:
But that aside, I have an alternate reality... er experience. I have never had an issue sending in a device to either Google or Verizon and I've done it countless times be it a defect or a trade-in.
Maybe luck of the draw. On my P5 trade I had the money in my account within a week of dropping it off at the PO. I didn't get the 4 bills plus but the quoted amount of $385 I think it was. I also got a beautiful refurb from a tier 2 CSR for a problem that was really not Google's. He was a really nice guy too. But that was before.
On Swappa, OTOH, I sold my mint P4 for a pretty fair price. The buyer bargained me down $60 and I said ah wft and sold it to him. Then I get an email with a telescopic picture of a slight rubbing along 1/8" where the case was. (an alcohol swab would have removed it) Still considered mint for all intents and purposes, I mean this was a gem. He said that rather than going thru a return if I gave him another $70 off he'd keep it. This is after paying for shipping, dropping the price, paying Swappa their fees, Paypal their fees so I reluctantly agreed but I'm sorry to this day that I did that. I believe this was hi MO but I did sort of let it go. Although I swore never again will I sell on Swappa. However, after this fiasco I might rethink keeping the device as a backup or figuring out a way to get it to Google where they can't claim this nonsense. But that's a year away about. Unless they come up with a face reader along with a FPR on the P7 which would make it oh.... 10 months? lol
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Yes. Swappa can burn a lot of time and knit-pickers can suck the life out of hoping for humanity, but I've been fortunate with the 4 or 5 devices I've sold on Swappa, and back in the day when turning in devices to VZW for an upgrade I never really had any issues.
What really burned by britches about Google was their canned "we're looking into it" emails. Really felt like I was gonna get the ol' shaft on this transaction, with little to nothing I could do about it either way.
shiftr182 said:
I think really its the customer service thing... it is impossible to get ahold of anyone in customer service, and then your just waiting in limbo. The paperwork I received regarding my trade-in also said that it would be processed within 3 days of receiving. Its been a week since it delivered, and they still say that they are waiting to receive.
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I waited until the link showed they received the device before I started counting days. After ten business days, I started sending emails. Luckily I don't need the refund money per se (like depend on it) as others might be, but I did have it in mind to spend on last minute Christmas gifts to add to the kid's pile
android_dan said:
That's what I did with my OP8. It was worth more to me as a backup than what I could sell it for. And personally the last thing I would do is trade it in because of exactly stories like these. I mean I don't want to offend anyone but what were you expecting? To me that course of action had clusterfuc+ written all over it.
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Maybe I was naïve in thinking that Google was big enough to meet their marketing and quoted timeframe. I had never been given a reason to doubt Google in the past with all the transactions I've done through their store. Trust me, I won't be making that mistake again
I'll let you guys decide who is Google and who is the consumer
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bobby janow said:
On Swappa, OTOH, I sold my mint P4 for a pretty fair price. The buyer bargained me down $60 and I said ah wft and sold it to him. Then I get an email with a telescopic picture of a slight rubbing along 1/8" where the case was. (an alcohol swab would have removed it) Still considered mint for all intents and purposes, I mean this was a gem. He said that rather than going thru a return if I gave him another $70 off he'd keep it. This is after paying for shipping, dropping the price, paying Swappa their fees, Paypal their fees so I reluctantly agreed but I'm sorry to this day that I did that. I believe this was hi MO but I did sort of let it go. Although I swore never again will I sell on Swappa. However, after this fiasco I might rethink keeping the device as a backup or figuring out a way to get it to Google where they can't claim this nonsense. But that's a year away about. Unless they come up with a face reader along with a FPR on the P7 which would make it oh.... 10 months? lol
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That sucks! I learned when I sold our two Note 10+'s after we received our P6Ps that what I think is Mint is not, but I learned that before my posting was even approved, so I downgraded my listings to "Good". In my case, it was mostly slight damage around the charging port from where relatively blind attempts to plug the USB-C cable in took some trial and error.
Similarly, when I've really taken a good look at the outside of my door locks that were new three years ago, I can really see just much I missed the locks slightly with my keys. I wasn't happy the phones weren't mint - they'd been in OtterBox Defenders with tempered glass screen protectors since day one, but I still got nearly as much as mint models sold for on Swappa.
I also never, ever give a reduced price anymore no matter what. Take it or leave it. Every time I have (for other things in other places than Swappa), I end up regretting it, so I never do on Swappa. Basically, folks asking if they can get any $ off for any reason are just scammers themselves. Sure, there may be a few relatively innocents in there with valid reasons, but I've never been lucky enough to sell to ones like that. Relatively innocent folks don't ask for amounts off the price in my admittedly reasonably limited experience.
I have no idea how many phones I've sold on Swappa as they must only keep records for so long, or they wiped them out at some point because it's only showing the two Note 10+'s I sold a couple of months ago. I know I sold at least two or more other phones previously. I've bought two phones from there too, and as I said before, the only problem I had once was someone listed a Verizon Edition Pixel 1 as if it was a Google Edition, and it was a $50 phone so can't really beat that. It was just a spare phone at the time, anyway.
Now eBay...that's another subject. I'll never sell anything outside the country on eBay again. After years of avoiding it, about 8 years ago I thought what the heck, I'll try it. Scammed. I got my money first but had to lose my ~15-year old eBay account.
I normally don't buy new phones until the old one isn't supported anymore, so by the time I'd sell them they're not worth hardly anything, and I keep them as spares. I should find a way to donate some old phones, and only keep my two favorite (Pixel 1's) as spares.
Az Biker said:
Yeah, I have always used SWAPPA until this time. SHAME ON ME Swappa karma got me good
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LOL! Laughing, and crying.
roirraW edor ehT said:
That sucks! I learned when I sold our two Note 10+'s after we received our P6Ps that what I think is Mint is not, but I learned that before my posting was even approved, so I downgraded my listings to "Good". In my case, it was mostly slight damage around the charging port from where relatively blind attempts to plug the USB-C cable in took some trial and error.
Similarly, when I've really taken a good look at the outside of my door locks that were new three years ago, I can really see just much I missed the locks slightly with my keys. I wasn't happy the phones weren't mint - they'd been in OtterBox Defenders with tempered glass screen protectors since day one, but I still got nearly as much as mint models sold for on Swappa.
I also never, ever give a reduced price anymore no matter what. Take it or leave it. Every time I have (for other things in other places than Swappa), I end up regretting it, so I never do on Swappa. Basically, folks asking if they can get any $ off for any reason are just scammers themselves. Sure, there may be a few relatively innocents in there with valid reasons, but I've never been lucky enough to sell to ones like that. Relatively innocent folks don't ask for amounts off the price in my admittedly reasonably limited experience.
I have no idea how many phones I've sold on Swappa as they must only keep records for so long, or they wiped them out at some point because it's only showing the two Note 10+'s I sold a couple of months ago. I know I sold at least two or more other phones previously. I've bought two phones from there too, and as I said before, the only problem I had once was someone listed a Verizon Edition Pixel 1 as if it was a Google Edition, and it was a $50 phone so can't really beat that. It was just a spare phone at the time, anyway.
Now eBay...that's another subject. I'll never sell anything outside the country on eBay again. After years of avoiding it, about 8 years ago I thought what the heck, I'll try it. Scammed. I got my money first but had to lose my ~15-year old eBay account.
I normally don't buy new phones until the old one isn't supported anymore, so by the time I'd sell them they're not worth hardly anything, and I keep them as spares. I should find a way to donate some old phones, and only keep my two favorite (Pixel 1's) as spares.
LOL! Laughing, and crying.
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Now you tell me. Lol. It was a learning experience for sure. I'll take your good advice in the future. I usually keep my devices but these last two I unloaded. I swore off Swappa but with your experiences I think I can safely crawl back. Thanks. But I'm still p'od that I let him get away with that. I should have known better. But it's time to let it go and well.. (smack) I needed that.