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very dissappointed with the camera...any suggestions?

hey guys.
i come from a photography background. classical training (dark room, color and bw), plus many years with very expensive canon dslr equipment. point being i have a penchant for photography and a good idea for image quality.
i wasn't expecting the quality of my G11 from this phone but i was definitely expecting better than what i am getting. pictures at night or in restaurants come out horribly overblown. most places pictures come out blurry and/or very soft focused.
i've seen posts blaming it on the camera software (sense). can the software really be crippling the hardware that much? is there an alternative camera software or a fix to the existing software?
has anyone successfully ported the CM6 camera over to sense?
how are you all getting alone with your "8MP" camera?

Max_Pain said:
hey guys.
i come from a photography background. classical training (dark room, color and bw), plus many years with very expensive canon dslr equipment. point being i have a penchant for photography and a good idea for image quality.
i wasn't expecting the quality of my G11 from this phone but i was definitely expecting better than what i am getting. pictures at night or in restaurants come out horribly overblown. most places pictures come out blurry and/or very soft focused.
i've seen posts blaming it on the camera software (sense). can the software really be crippling the hardware that much? is there an alternative camera software or a fix to the existing software?
has anyone successfully ported the CM6 camera over to sense?
how are you all getting alone with your "8MP" camera?
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The new 3.30 update is supposed to help with dark shots, have you had a chance to try it out yet?

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The new 3.30 update is supposed to help with dark shots, have you had a chance to try it out yet?
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no i haven't. i'm not changing roms for the camera. but i'll look into moving the camera app over from the 3.30 rom. see if it works?

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no i haven't. i'm not changing roms for the camera. but i'll look into moving the camera app over from the 3.30 rom. see if it works?
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If you're using the older stock ROM you can flash it over top of the one you have and only wipe the dalvik & cache, that way you keep everything as is. If not you should be able to just copy the camera stuff. There's more to it then just the .apk file though, someone posted a list of changed files and I believe it showed some of the camera files in the system/lib folder changed also.

Max_Pain said:
hey guys.
i come from a photography background. classical training (dark room, color and bw), plus many years with very expensive canon dslr equipment. point being i have a penchant for photography and a good idea for image quality.
i wasn't expecting the quality of my G11 from this phone but i was definitely expecting better than what i am getting. pictures at night or in restaurants come out horribly overblown. most places pictures come out blurry and/or very soft focused.
i've seen posts blaming it on the camera software (sense). can the software really be crippling the hardware that much? is there an alternative camera software or a fix to the existing software?
has anyone successfully ported the CM6 camera over to sense?
how are you all getting alone with your "8MP" camera?
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While I appreciate your experience and expertise, and I say that without any sarcasm, as I do like taking pictures and wish I knew more about photography, it is after all, only a phone...

dianneeraser said:
While I appreciate your experience and expertise, and I say that without any sarcasm, as I do like taking pictures and wish I knew more about photography, it is after all, only a phone...
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yeah but it's a phone that bragged about being able to capture bleeding colors thanks to its 8mp camera. if i'm getting the same image quality as my samsung code was getting me, it's dissappointing
the image quality problems we're experiencing i think are due to software limitations. hence why pictures supposedly come out better on CM6...

Nah, it's hardware. HTC has never been known to have good smartphone cameras.
I came over from the Epic... Lordy, what a great camera that thing has!
What's the deal with people saying that their camera took better pictures once the outer lens cover cracked, and was removed? Any truth to this?

Does anyone have a link to this apk. Or do I have to switch roms. Better yet I'm on a rooted stock sense Rom how would I get this apk on my phone.

I'm testing out VIGNETTE for taking photos.. so far it looks better.. I dont like the fact that it creates its own gallery....
how does the new 3.30 camera app work??

My lens cracked so I took the cover off and replaced it with a custom piece of clear scotch tape. Pictures look better now than they did before ( I'm serious). Here's a close up.
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What you are looking at is egg yolk, rice and plantain...what was left of it. Comida de pobre.
Sent while sitting on the toilet.

gqstatus0685 said:
My lens cracked so I took the cover off and replaced it with a custom piece of clear scotch tape. Pictures look better now than they did before ( I'm serious). Here's a close up.
What you are looking at is egg yolk, rice and plantain...what was left of it. Comida de pobre.
Sent while sitting on the toilet.
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You were eating that on the toilet?

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You were eating that on the toilet?
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No silly billy.

tgruendler said:
You were eating that on the toilet?
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Mexican must go "right through him"

I agree with the OP. Yes it's only a cell phone but if anyone has used the camera on a BlackBerry Bold 9650, or a Tour for that matter you'll see the difference is night and day.
Hi all btw, I've read a lot on here but never posted!

@ Max Pain:
I completely agree with your assessment on the poor quality of the camera, as do many others who bought the whole "HD Cam" nonsense that HTC sold us.
To be fair, yes, this is a phone... But, the marketing (go figure) for the Evo hyped up the camera abilities as HD, 720p video. This phone does neither well. While they have made improvements in the coding since the release, this camera struggles immensely with jitter, poor low light capture (in which most cases the flash seems to wash everything out), and horrible audio quality during video.
Lastly the compression used is awful, and here's why I don't care how many megapixels the silly sensor captures, at the end of the day compression rules all.
95% of my pictures come out grainy and crappy, particularly while using the digital zoom. The software just cannot cope.
I started a thread about this very issue a couple months back, unfortunately the devs don't seem to view this as a task worth undertaking, and after the little amount of research and specs I've seen this may be because the cam sensor used sucks as badly as the software controlling it. It just doesn't do low light well at all. I still believe there's hope if someone with the programming stones who also shares a love for good photography steps up to the challenge.
Otherwise, we probably won't have a good camera until the Evo 2.
HA.
Anyone interested in seeing this topic gain momentum can go here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=782211
And just to prove I don't think the hardware is to blame check this out, this camera can shine under the right conditions. This photo is fully stock, not retouched in any way, and was taken using one of the various sense roms floating around mid summer. If we could get the low light shots, and video on par with this, I think we'd be in good shape.
The second photo is in the dark but shooting a bright frame, up close...
I don't think they are bad at all, they just rarely turn out like this.

I noticed that it takes 5-10 times to manually focus before taking a shot to get a sharp looking picture.
It's as if the algorithm for autofocus is broken, and only occasionally does the camera focus properly.

nabbed said:
I noticed that it takes 5-10 times to manually focus before taking a shot to get a sharp looking picture.
It's as if the algorithm for autofocus is broken, and only occasionally does the camera focus properly.
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WORD.
Me too. I'm always tap tap tapping the screen, and swearing at it. By then I've usually missed the shot I want to take.

[Q] Weird camera pictures. Should I exchange my phone?

I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
imgur.com/caiBu
Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
imgur.com/bnp0F

I got same problem

Vignetting, digital noise, and the laws of physics
randomlightspeed said:
I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
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Lulz. Welcome to the world of photography. You have discovered two things that have been discussed in photography for well over a century vignetting and noise/grain.
I have a $300 NONZOOM lens that if used on a $3000 camera will show vignetting if you shoot it wide open (f/1.4). Not sure why anyone would think the tiny lens on a mass produced phone handed out for free would be immune to that.
A guy bought a DSLR for $6,000 new and put a $1,500 lens on it. This is what he found...
randomlightspeed said:
Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
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The Lumia 900 is an awesome phone but it has to obey the laws of physics. You can't cram eight megapixels into a space the fraction of the size of a fingernail and expect to get noise free images. That's why miniaturization and the megapixel race are an anathema to good photography. I'll put it to you this way one of the greatest photographers ever prefered to shoot his work with an 8x10 camera. That's right a camera with film that measured 8x10 per a frame. Now you are shooting in terrible lighting conditions with a sensor that is a fraction of the size of your fingernail. My question is what did you expect?
Here's a little primer on sensor sizes...
For professional photography Canon APS-C is really the minimum. Sigma Fovean can be used but it is a very unique technology. Four thirds cameras take some decent pictures as well but that is about the limit. FYI see that tiny green box on the left? The sensor you are critiquing is a fraction of the size of that. Also when I really want to take I nice shot I use a medium format FILM camera. It's negative is even bigger than the medium format sensor on that chart.
Arizona Highways is considered to be at the pinnacle of photographic magazines. It usually only uses images taken with FILM cameras like this...
So bottom line is that vignetting and digital noise are present to some degree in EVERY camera phone. Are they at an unacceptable level in your particular unit? I don't know. I would have to know a lot more about your testing methodology and see similar sample pics taken under the exact same conditions by a variety of phones. Your phone may be defective or you may just be one of those special people that really pays attention to the quality of photographs. Some people for whatever reason are just really tuned in to what looks good and what looks bad. I love showing people like that my pictures. They can actually appreciate them or at least tell me what looks bad.
ggg said:
I got same problem
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Yeah so do people with three thousand dollar cameras. It's all a matter of degree.

Unfortunately, the camera on this phone sucks. I have one and it takes horrible pictures 90% of the time. 10% of the time you will be amazed at how great the pictures look, the rest of the time you will be disappointed.
Not sure how how Nokia screwed it up this bad.
randomlightspeed said:
I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
imgur.com/caiBu
Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
imgur.com/bnp0F
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randomlightspeed said:
I recently discovered this on a white lumia 900 and wonder if this is normal or if I need to get my phone exchanged.
The camera always gives a slightly discolored halo in the middle of a picture taken without a flash. I took a picture of a blank white wall and the effect can be seen clearly in the piture. (I adjusted the brightness a bit) (since i cant post links)
imgur.com/caiBu
Also, it doesn't take really good pictures in the dark. One weird thing that I saw is in this picture below. I took a picture with the phone in complete darkness and then opened the picture on the phone. The screen looks black but then when you pinch-to-zoom and increase the picture size, all sorts of weird dots and stuff appear and also can be seen if you auto-correct the final image using any picture software. I clicked the picture of the phone screen in a dark room.
imgur.com/bnp0F
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Let me see if I can give a simple explanation..
For your halo effect or as you can see its yellowish in the middle a been a noted problem in the lumia phone ( Samsung SGS2 forums are filled with similar problems what they call as the pink spot).
Apparently the phone might have a problem of adjusting the white balance and hence giving the yellowish tint.
Solution : I would try and see if you can manually adjust the white balance on the camera setting and see if it makes a difference to you as people have seem to found better results then the auto settings.
Regarding the Second problem as mentioned above its Noise which you probably get with low light photography.
SOLUTION : Try using flash with lower iso if possible, The higher the iso the more the noise, the lower the iso the less the noice will be and also make your pictures more darker, best to use flash.
Just my humble thoughts... and I dont have the lumia yet, but hoping to purchase one soon.
There are quiet a number of bugs in the lumia 900 which nokia has acknowledged and will be addressed in future updates

bitemydonkey said:
Unfortunately, the camera on this phone sucks. I have one and it takes horrible pictures 90% of the time. 10% of the time you will be amazed at how great the pictures look, the rest of the time you will be disappointed.
Not sure how how Nokia screwed it up this bad.
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If your Lumia 900 is taking "horrible" pictures 90% of the time it is either defective our you aren't using it correctly.
There are several adjustments on the camera. I suggest playing with them. I definitely change the color balance depending on the lighting conditions and I mess with the scene settings as well.
When you say the pictures are "horrible" what are you comparing them to? Frankly I've never been impressed with the low light capability of sensors smaller than Canon APS-C. Especially if you decide to go pixel peeping the way the OP did. I pixel peeped an image from a point and shoot camera years ago... I never did it again. You see all kinds of things you don't really want to know about.

Lens attachment solutions?

Hello everyone, I thought I'd post and ask if any one here uses a Lens attachment solution? Examples as Telescoping/Zoom, Wide Angle, or Fisheye lens. How are your experiences with the products? I'm planning on a trip to Europe, and don't want to carry a P&S Camera and a my HTC, so i want to just take great pictures with my HTC10 and have better lens solutions.
any help and experiences is greatly appreciated.

Looking for the best lens for the money HTC10
Bump up ale :silly:

Hello,
i got such a solution today cheap 10 € (noname). I can write you down some of my expirience here. It features a clipon solution, is delivered in a box with dust protection caps. Very handy to take with. It is absolute no professional solution but it is indeed fun to play with. I noticed a big amount of unsharpness in the corners which i think is related to the autofocus of the stock camera. I will try to attache some sample pictures.
- Fisheye
- 2x Zoom teleobjective (fixed 2x)
- 180° Fisheye
- 0.67 Wide (combined with macro below):
- Macro
So basically you can just screw all those lenses on the clipon. It is possible to attache the mounted clip in a way such that it does not cover the autofocus and laser. But it is not as sticky as i would want it. So it can move around on the lens. That is an issue since it the objectives or lenses have to be centered absolutetly in the mid to feature the best result. On the backside on the contact surface to the lens, theres some kind of rubber to protect the phone and lens from scratching.
Another thing i noticed is that the camera itselves has to look into something like a tunnel. So when i perfectly center those lenses physically i have to zoom in ca. 50 percent to get rid of the black rim. (Tunnelview). Resulting in loss of quality.
Theres a big amount of unsharpness at the outer rim of all my pictures. My personal favourite is the 2x zoom.
So heres some pictures (I am still no expert and i have to play with that stuff a bit):
- A photo of a swan with 2x zoom lens and max zoom of smartphone. Without the lense the swan and the people would be pixels only on that distance the lake is 230 metres at this point, so the swan is probably ca. 200 metres away:
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- A photo of a small duckling i (The reason i wanted to get such lens). Since they are such shy that i am not able to take a photo of it from an possible distance max zoom + lens also:
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- Test with the Fisheye:
- Test with the Macro Lens (rotten leaf):
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About the macro Lens i have to say it is such effective that i have to get such dangling close to the object that if it was a butterfly or something i would scare it to hell for sure. And my hand was shaky because it was cold there i could not manage to get it sharp.
Hope this helps you.

Since i had really great results with the 2x lens heres another pictures:
Closeup of a young swan with 2x
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Very closeup of a rotten dead tree killed by insects with 2x:
And here a photo from the same place with 2x lense where my skillevel just lacked in the one. And in the another it was better.
So i hope you can make you a picture from a 10 € solution. And no! This will not make a DSLR with 5000 € teleobjective out of your smartphone. And it is a bit disguisting to keep the clipped lens attached in the mid, while walking. So if you want to take quick snapshots with those lenses it is better to not put the phone into a bag. Or you will have to refit it and reinput your zoom settings, etc.

Oh, i totally forgot to show you what kind of type this solution was. Since this article was bought used, and i can not find a manufacturer or type on the parts i have to say "noname". Pic:
And as you can see on this picture the Autofocus or Focus seems to cause blurr too even without attached extra lens. So i have to maybe get into using this properly. It takes time to play with. And it is really fiddly to attach it properly. Nothing for quickies.

I have found these clip-on style are just ok. Fish eye wasn't all that great, and the wide angle looked more like taking a photo through a pair of binoculars. You could see the sides of the lens. They're cheap, so you get what you pay for.

tokuzumi said:
.... I have found these clip-on style are just ok. ...
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This hits it in short.
I was personally interested in maybe some NFC or bluetooth attached camera review (opinion). Whilst i think they are way too expensive. I would maximum pay 50 € for such. ). 500 $ is like a punch in the face. Look for a real camera for 500 €.
And also i was interested in one of these bigger telezoom clip on thingies. With e.g. 12x or such.
You can find a lot reviews on this things on youtube. Some for the very cheap camera lenses "sound" very negative. But do not forget the fun. Nothing professional.
And binoculars work fine instead of a specific lens. Just hold it infront and try yourselves

Do you have a link for the clipon lens?

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Do you have a link for the clipon lens?
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Nö sorry there are several similar available. I bought mine used. There is no vendor imprint. Just have a look at e.g. something like Amazon. I would not pay more than 10 Euro.

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Nö sorry there are several similar available. I bought mine used. There is no vendor imprint. Just have a look at e.g. something like Amazon. I would not pay more than 10 Euro.
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kk, schade. Will take a look!

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

10. Photos are amazing!

10... Would use for professional purposes.
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10 - Photos are great! No complaints here!
Example.

i've been testing the Note 7 camera side by side with the OnePlus 3 and Xiaomi MI 5 and Huawei P9 cameras, and while the Note 7 is slightly better, it's just very, very slightly, and it's mostly in low light setting. i don't see much difference in day time shots. i think in 2016, all smartphone cameras are pretty damn legit. so all these tech reviewers saying the Note 7 has "hands down the best camera by far", i don't agree with them. (it's worth keeping in mind all those other phones i mentioned cost literally HALF AS MUCH as the note 7)

I think I can safely retire my Sony NEX-6 now for majority of uses. The photos coming out of this camera are amazing.

Amazing even compared to my Fuji X T1.
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Amazing even compared to my Fuji X T1
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Please fix this.

I'm impressed so far.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-dYQXNfPs7UeGdhR2JSQ05HMGc/view?usp=drivesdk

S6 and S7 had white balance/colour temperature issues indoors.
Also overexposure.
S7 was noticeably soft in any conditions.
Does the Note 7 fix any of those?
Waiting to see way more side by side reviews.

I had no problem with indoor white balance under LED, but since you can have so many different variants in lightning I don't think there is a camera that would do it right all the time in auto mode, but you can switch to manual WB if you want.
overexposure, sure if you really work hard on it, like shoot from inside tunel against sun, but you can use spot meter in tricky light condition to keep what you need properly exposed, but auto works fine most of the time for me.
soft in any condition: are you talking about selfie cam? Because yes, that has fixed focus and will be soft, but rear cam doesn't seem soft when properly focused and again you have control where it should be focus on.
Have you actually used any of those cams, or just read about it somewhere, because I haven't so couldn't compare.
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i've been testing the Note 7 camera side by side with the OnePlus 3 and Xiaomi MI 5 and Huawei P9 cameras, and while the Note 7 is slightly better, it's just very, very slightly, and it's mostly in low light setting. i don't see much difference in day time shots. i think in 2016, all smartphone cameras are pretty damn legit. so all these tech reviewers saying the Note 7 has "hands down the best camera by far", i don't agree with them. (it's worth keeping in mind all those other phones i mentioned cost literally HALF AS MUCH as the note 7)
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Can OnePlus3, MI5 or P9 do underwater photography? Because I'm planning to, this weekend with N7.
Do any of those have something similar to s-pen? Because I use it everyday can't live without it and it would be nice to have other options.
Can I see the screen on other phones with sun shining directly on it? Because so far Note7 is the only screen I've seen that I have no problem seeing in full sun. But I haven't try any of the ones you mentioned.
And very very slightly better, so it is actually better?
Maybe there are reasons why N7 is more expensive, otherwise nobody would buy it? And with the discounts, free giveaways etc. maybe N7 is not as expensive as it first seem.

pete4k said:
I had no problem with indoor white balance under LED, but since you can have so many different variants in lightning I don't think there is a camera that would do it right all the time in auto mode, but you can switch to manual WB if you want.
overexposure, sure if you really work hard on it, like shoot from inside tunel against sun, but you can use spot meter in tricky light condition to keep what you need properly exposed, but auto works fine most of the time for me.
soft in any condition: are you talking about selfie cam? Because yes, that has fixed focus and will be soft, but rear cam doesn't seem soft when properly focused and again you have control where it should be focus on.
Have you actually used any of those cams, or just read about it somewhere, because I haven't so couldn't compare.
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Can OnePlus3, MI5 or P9 do underwater photography? Because I'm planning to, this weekend with N7.
Do any of those have something similar to s-pen? Because I use it everyday can't live without it and it would be nice to have other options.
Can I see the screen on other phones with sun shining directly on it? Because so far Note7 is the only screen I've seen that I have no problem seeing in full sun. But I haven't try any of the ones you mentioned.
And very very slightly better, so it is actually better?
Maybe there are reasons why N7 is more expensive, otherwise nobody would buy it? And with the discounts, free giveaways etc. maybe N7 is not as expensive as it first seem.
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The camera is slightly better. Here are photos to prove it (http://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/...better-photos-than-far-cheaper-chinese-phones)
Of all the other bonus note features you mentioned, waterproofing is the only real universal useful feature that everyone would want. Hundreds of millions of people use a phone without a stylus and they couldn't care less. Plenty of people use the one plus 3 outdoors and sees the screen fine.
Using note 7's sales numberse to show the phone's supposed superiority is also a flawed argument, since a lot of that is branding and name recognition. It's like saying nike shoes are for sure the best because they sell the most.
I'm not really bashing the note 7 here, I have the phone and I like it a lot, I'm merely saying it's probably not worth more than double the price of the one plus 3, that's all I'm saying. 450 dollars more is not a small deal. 450 bucks can buy a lot, a lot of things.

It's tough to use the note front cam after using the 6P. The front cam on the 6P is an absolute monster, typically producing photos nearly as good as the REAR camera on my wife's iphone 6.
Vs the note 7 and S7e, the selfie cam pics are noticeably much less sharp and focused. A quick google search for blurry selfie pics for the Galaxy 7 devices yields countless forums of people complaining about this.
No idea if it's the software or the actual hardware that is the problem but it's absolutely there.

I am totally satisfied with the camera. (considering s4 and zenfone 2 were my previous devices.) I guess note 7 will be enough to handle daily shots for even business purposes. Any questions?

So, what's the difference between Bokeh (on the new iphone 7...after a software update) and what our phones do now....where the background is blurry?

meboy said:
S6 and S7 had white balance/colour temperature issues indoors.
Also overexposure.
S7 was noticeably soft in any conditions.
Does the Note 7 fix any of those?
Waiting to see way more side by side reviews.
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I confirm that the camera is perfect. I have Exynos version

I'm satisfied

AdrianR2016 said:
I confirm that the camera is perfect. I have Exynos version
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saturation and colors are great but oversharped a bit on my opinion

I think all photos a "yellow-ish" a bit and expose are too high in some difficult scenarios like front sun etc

If Samsung can decrease/eliminate the oversharpening part, it will be a perfect camera here.

wide angle lens out of focus blurry

I purchased the lm-g710emw lg g7 india yesterday and immediately received fota update. I am not sure but i think i checked the wide angle lens before applying fota and it was working fine. Now i can see the normal lens is working fine but the wide angle lens is out of focus and blurry. No physical cover over lens. I did all usual factory reset start as new then deleting app preferences app data cache and even tried error recovery iin lg bridge pc app. Still problem persist. Tried gcam mod too wide angle is out of focus. Online retailer says refund as phone out of stock ..lg says take to service centre. Is using bridge to error recover different from firmware flashing through lg up? Should i give that a try or does it look like hardware issue?
no joy with flashing firmware by lg up, hardware issue it seems then, should i get refund or bother going to service centre

Wide angle camera don't have focus. The blur has nothing to do with it having no auto focus
It's because it's only 16Mpix

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rear normal lens
wide angle lens

djfreaky said:
rear normal lens
wide angle lens
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While the wide angle lens doesn't have focus this much blur shouldn't happen at all. Return it and use your warranty.

LameMonster82 said:
While the wide angle lens doesn't have focus this much blur shouldn't happen at all
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In low light? Yes, it should. Because it has not enough light for its work. Mate 20 pro wide angle will shoot with same blurry quality in such conditions
LameMonster82 said:
Return it and use your warranty.
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Just to find out the next unit's wide angle will shoot the same?
djfreaky said:
rear normal lens
wide angle lens
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You have HDR set ON in camera settings?

Billy Madison said:
In low light? Yes, it should. Because it has not enough light for its work. Mate 20 pro wide angle will shoot with same blurry quality in such conditions
Just to find out the next unit's wide angle will shoot the same?
You have HDR set ON in camera settings?
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It won't do such thing on HDR (there will be double or drag effect) and the wide angle and the normal camera is pretty much the same model so the light performance is pretty much the same (but the wide with a wide lens).

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so the light performance is pretty much the same
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Except wide angle has F/1.9 vs F/1.6. It means it gives 35% less light to sensor.
Pretty HEFTY amount for low light conditions, I guess. You agree?
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(but the wide with a wide lens)
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Yeah. So, don't you understand then that you can't get more detailed or even same amount of detail when you have equal sized sensor but you map on it wider angle of view? You will definitely get less detailed hence more blurry photos. It's obvious. Couple it with 35% less light put through a lens and it's obvious that in low lights wide angles shots MUST come out blurry
Until we'll have 20Mpix or 24Mpix sensors with 1.22mkm pixels coupled with F/1.4 aperture lens. Than it's be nice and detailed wide angle pix even in low light. But until then wide angle is only good in sunlight conditions but not indoors

Got my replacement set today and everything is fine on this one. Went to lg service to but they only had one service centre with water proofing machine working thats far from my home. So had to push mmy online seller really hard for a replacemnt set..lg service guy said looked like lens had moved a bit..sample of same corner of room at same sort of light
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