So one thing that I understood from the launch live is that google has collabbed with Snapchat to bring full implementation of HDR within the app.
My biggest doubt is.. will it also fully integrate with all the other social network apps or not? I mean apps like TikTok, Instagram and most of all, Whatsapp..
What makes an android phone so bad for socials is that they totally cripple camera performance once you use a third party camera app. On the other end iPhone's do it perfectly. If only the Pixel filled this gap, it would be a no brainer choosing Android over iOS..!
I currently have a Pixel 3 XL and every time I use the camera to take photos in Whatsapp or videos in tiktok, its utterly ugly, it looks like the pic was taken from a Galaxy s4.
I'm still not so sure if we even have "true" HDR10 (or better, like Dolby Vision on Iphone 13Max) on the Pixel. Did anyone actually try to look at picture/videofootage at a HDR capable monitor/TV and did HDR kick in?
As far as I know, it's all some fake-ass SDR vivid-algorithm BS.
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I'm still not so sure if we even have "true" HDR10 (or better, like Dolby Vision on Iphone 13Max) on the Pixel. Did anyone actually try to look at picture/videofootage at a HDR capable monitor/TV and did HDR kick in?
As far as I know, it's all some fake-ass SDR vivid-algorithm BS.
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I used HDR Display Check
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I used HDR Display Check
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I wasn't talking about the Panel. All Pixels have HDR10 Display capabilities, I was talking about the camera.
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I wasn't talking about the Panel. All Pixels have HDR10 Display capabilities, I was talking about the camera.
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ah fair enough, i need more coffee i guess
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I wasn't talking about the Panel. All Pixels have HDR10 Display capabilities, I was talking about the camera.
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how would I potentially test this?
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I guess we/you'd have to transfer footage of your phone (video/photos) to a HDR capable device (like an LG CX or something like that) and see if HDR kicks in. It's also possible to detect this with Windows tools like MediaInfo. If the video is recorded with HDR it will have a color space of BT. 2020 also know as REC.2020.
Even though it's kinda tricky to determine if it really is shot in 10bit. There is a differenec between color depth and color space, meaning a video can be shot in 8bit and can still output a HDR signal, even though it lacks all basic features that HDR should offer. This whole HDR story is a joke at this point, it's basically broken in Windows, the whole industry is split in several factions (HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision...), there is almost no cross-compatibility and then you can't even trust the output of a file, as explained earlier.
It sucks, and it sucks hard. I - for example - tried to get Mass Effect: Andromeda working with Windows 11 (Dolby Vision) and stopped after about 9 hours of troubleshooting because of Black Screen problems, rainbow color issues, crashs, forced restarts because the Windows UI crashed/became invisible...
HDR is just a mess. It only works well if you put a streaming device directly into an HDR capable Television and use Apps like Disney+, Netflix, HBO MAX or something like that.
It's a shame, because footage shot in true HDR look simply stunning.
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I guess we/you'd have to transfer footage of your phone (video/photos) to an HDR capable device (like an LG CX or something like that) and see if HDR kicks in. It's also possible to detect this with Windows tools like MediaInfo. If the video is recorded with HDR it will have a color space of BT. 2020 also know as REC.2020.
Even though it's kinda tricky to determine if it really is shot in 10bit. There is a differenec between color depth and color space, meaning a video can be shot in 8bit and can still output a HDR signal, even though it lacks all basic features that HDR should offer. This whole HDR story is a joke at this point, it's basically broken in Windows, the whole industry is split in several factions (HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision...), there is almost no cross-compatibility and then you can't even trust the output of a file, as explained earlier.
It sucks, and it sucks hard. I - for example - tried to get Mass Effect: Andromeda working with Windows 11 (Dolby Vision) and stopped after about 9 hours of troubleshooting because of Black Screen problems, rainbow color issues, crashs, forced restarts because the Windows UI crashed/became invisible...
HDR is just a mess. It only works well if you put a streaming device directly into an HDR capable Television and use Apps like Disney+, Netflix, HBO MAX or something like that.
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i'm getting ColorSpace YUV with video and pictures, even when using Open Camera with HDR enabled.
I haven't had any issues in Windows with my second Monitor that has HDR capabilities....but there are times when I turn it off because it doesn't look the best in some games.
Mass Effect Legendary Edition was having wash out issues on my pc until I turned it off
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A while back CM12 had a patch that enabled 4K video recording. I remember that it even worked SOME of the time, but mostly it showed to be recording without saving anything. Currently on CM12 and Blisspop the option is again removed - probably because it was buggy: review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/103494
I've tried many different camera ZIPs from other manufacturers (Motorola cam, Lenovo cam) but they do not appear to enable 4K either.
I tried playing around with the media_profiles configuration file, uncommenting the 4K profile. This does enable 4K video recording - even saving, but the framerate is really bad (<10), both with stock and third party cameras.
So my question: Did anyone ever get smooth 4K video to work on AOSP? If so what was the combination of software used?
yes it did work for idiots who;
1) flased xXcameraXxfix_AROMA_VIPERPRO_v4_FAKXDA_LIKE_SUBSCRIBE_DONATE_YOUTELLMEBUGS.zip
2) set the resolution to 4K
3) shot a video
4) never realized it didn't even save, even if it did, it was lagging between 5 and 15 fps
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no, it did not, i have flashed all the 3rd party crap from random monkeys claiming they fixed the camera on aosp promising stock quality
to those who come in here telling me it does, provide proof or gtfo
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A while back CM12 had a patch that enabled 4K video recording. I remember that it even worked SOME of the time, but mostly it showed to be recording without saving anything. Currently on CM12 and Blisspop the option is again removed - probably because it was buggy: review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/103494
I've tried many different camera ZIPs from other manufacturers (Motorola cam, Lenovo cam) but they do not appear to enable 4K either.
I tried playing around with the media_profiles configuration file, uncommenting the 4K profile. This does enable 4K video recording - even saving, but the framerate is really bad (<10), both with stock and third party cameras.
So my question: Did anyone ever get smooth 4K video to work on AOSP? If so what was the combination of software used?
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flash 1. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B023yzk713HzTkhNcFVvU1Z2NHc/view?pli=1
and 2. https://mega.nz/#!lhsg1bwB!ehggjqI-hCbPCHsLr2x2MirRpXRE3XMr8_gHry_NPfs
BUT, is there any non-stock ROM with STOCK camera quality? No 4K, I do not need that, only 1080p (60 fps or 30).
Nope Coki4, unfortunately Tehosiris is right: with the HTC cam and resolution "fix" I can record in 4K, but it is still way too low framerate (15 FPS or worse).
Voterx: To me 4K is most important, hence the thread. If i want proper pictures I take my DSLR anyway... 4K video is something that is really a beautiful thing if you have the screen to display it. There is a huge difference between 1080p and 4K.
To me it is starting to look like the camera driver in AOSP source is just not able to push the pixels?
Snap camera does it. I have also found that snap camera takes as good, or better in some cases, pictures as the stock camera.
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Snap camera does it. I have also found that snap camera takes as good, or better in some cases, pictures as the stock camera.
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no it does not
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not it definitely does not
Then your using it wrong, because it does for me
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Nope Coki4, unfortunately Tehosiris is right: with the HTC cam and resolution "fix" I can record in 4K, but it is still way too low framerate (15 FPS or worse).
Voterx: To me 4K is most important, hence the thread. If i want proper pictures I take my DSLR anyway... 4K video is something that is really a beautiful thing if you have the screen to display it. There is a huge difference between 1080p and 4K.
To me it is starting to look like the camera driver in AOSP source is just not able to push the pixels?
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you're wrong
With snap camera
What are you doing to get those file properties? Want to check what my jerky files say..
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Properties here also shows 30 fps, but the video is jerky as fuuuuuu* - i guess it is saved "as" 30 FPS but it just drops a bunch. Yes it is 4K but def not 30 FPS, even if the file shows it to be (for me).
but.. if it is smooth for you I want to know your exact rom details so I can try to achieve my holy grail.
can one of the digital cowboys upload these fabled 4k videos shot on aosp?
i still yet to see a nonstock 4k video that doesn't lag like ****
@geekmystique the jerkyness doesn't show in properties, they are just the same as regular videos, you can check the properties in root explorer or any other file explorer.
it does not matter , it is important that you are not right
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it does not matter , it is important that you are not right
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your 2nd screenshot shows that the 4k video is in 59.9 fps, now THAT i'd like to see.
bending physics with an apk eh? :laugh:
edit: judging from the amount of silence after the bigface comments, i assume it takes an awful lot of time to upload the fabled 60fps 4k video (translation: someone is full of **** and/or clueless)
Let's not make this into a flamewar of sorts.
This is a video I took of my hand waving in front of the camera, whatever the file info says, it is not 30 FPS - by far, it is dropping frames like crazy. The file properties say 30 FPS in MPCHC, but windows properties shows the truth: 18 FPS.
https://mega.nz/#!lkkFHbrT!gi3qGdzcnBxpsoPMObzLk9jZPAtrYacJ_03mYBYwu2A
If your video looks better, great - let me know what you did. And if you can spare the time, post it please.
Let's discuss
I do not need 4K, I just need stock quality camera in custom ROMS It's different question.
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I do not need 4K, I just need stock quality camera in custom ROMS It's different question.
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i suggest you take a look at the camera comparison post here on xda, showing stock / moto / htc / whatever side-by-side
there is no such thing as stock quality on non-LG driver backed software
Anyways, i'm absolutely on geekmystique's side here, i've had multiple people giving me lectures how i need to flash xyz.zip set ABC settings to DEF, align my device towards Mars, count to 7 and stand on my left foot to have AMAZING STOCK QUALITY PHOTOS AND VIDEOS.
Guess what, i've done all those steps, flashed all the zips, pirated all the ****ty apks and gotten nothing but disappointment.
Thats why there is sarcasm towards these 'BUT MY AOSP CAMERA IZ BETTUR BRUH YOU SUK', when it's clearly not. Hell, half of the conversations ended at 'WHO NEEDS 4K' or 'I DONT NEED CAMERA ANYWAYS' which is ridiculus when it's these people giving lectures on how to flash stuff they don't even know what it contains.
dudumm tsss
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If so.. Please post the video - my video that I posted also says 30 FPS, but it stutters like mad. If you can get better video I would be really happy to know.
Guess the aosp camera is just as good as stock boys are back in their caves.
I use Cloudy only because of Xcam. I really would like a [email protected] or [email protected] for CM12.1
Yesterday my friends and I decided to remove a tree from his property with 40lbs of tannerite. We set up a box of the binary explosive at the base of a tree, and I went back to about 100 yards and touched it off with a round fired from my AR15.
I had my friend record it with my OP3 running the latest community build and I thought it would be cool to capture it in slow motion video, because you can actually see the shockwave of the blast... The problem that I found, after the fact, is that unlike the iPhone, this phone(or camera app) doesn't capture audio in SlowMo mode?
Is there a way to change this, or a better camera app to use? I obviously cannot add audio to the existing video, which is a shame... But in the future it would be nice.
I would say that the one area where the new iPhones beat most Android phones is the camera. Not so much the camera itself(to the untrained eye), but in the software and capabilities... When I had an iPhone 6s+ it would do slowmo at 240fps(versus 120fps) and it captured audio. Then you could edit the video on the phone, crop it down, change what part of the video you wanted to be in slowmo, what parts to play at normal speed, and save it. Really neat to crop it all down and have it play normally with audio and then only slow down the cool part that you want...
I was able to crop it and play with the speeds on my video, but I had to import it into Windows Movie Maker and do it there, and of course, there is no audio... If I could take the iPhones camara and editing capability and put it on this phone, that would be ideal...
Any ideas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pI0tfvvyjs&feature=youtu.be
It's not a problem of oxygen os; for some reason the Android doesn't capture sound in slow motion.
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Hristos! said:
It's not a problem of oxygen os; for some reason the Android doesn't capture sound in slow motion.
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Darn, that's a shame. His iPhone records audio even at 240fps... Would be nice if we could do that in Android... there is no reason why it can't do it, someone just didn't bother to put the feature in there...
Sometimes you want audio in there, especially if you plan to speed it up, then it would sound normal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz9jcI9E-UY&feature=youtu.be
The professional cameras as I know doesn't record sound too, so maybe they blocked the sound because they think is useless. :/
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Android is capable of capturing sound in slow motion. Oneplus 3 doesn't do it. You can search videos on youtube with 'pixel xl slow motion' 'galaxy note 7 slow motion' etc and you will see that they all record video (on most of them the sound is mono in slow motion - usually left side).
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Android is capable of capturing sound in slow motion. Oneplus 3 doesn't do it. You can search videos on youtube with 'pixel xl slow motion' 'galaxy note 7 slow motion' etc and you will see that they all record video (on most of them the sound is mono in slow motion - usually left side).
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Ok, so it isn't an Android limitation, it is more up to the maker of the particular phone to decide if they want to enable it or not...
As much as I hate to say it, the way Apple does it is tremendous... Not only can they do 240fps, but their video editing software is really slick... I don't know that I can even crop a video on this thing... Oh well.
Hey guys, have you seen this thread?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/op3-3t-unlock-720p-slowmotion-video-t3566276
I have an OP3T running OOS 4.1.1 rooted, and can assure it works.
Sure, it would need some tweaks to get the best out of it, but still.. you get SlowMo with sound
The mod works with OB13 as well. I'm using it
Hi guys, I've tried to watch some movies with HDR (1080 and UHD movies) but the image is really really dark even on max brightness level in a dark room; I've tried both Plex and MX Player Pro but still nothing, even the HDR videos on YouTube are very dark.
Also I am sure that the HDR of the video works correctly because on a samsung galaxy s10 it works perfectly and I can see it very well.
Here is a comparison to show you the difference indicatively (S10 VS Mi Pad 5): Imgur Comparisons
Does this happen to you too?
My tablet: International Xiaomi Pad 5 with MIUI 12.5 (12.5.8.0 Stable)
different display, different hdr format. s10 use hdr10+ with a amoled screen so def better than ips panel with standard hdr10.
different display, different hdr format. s10 use hdr10+ with a amoled screen so def better than ips panel with standard hdr10.
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It's not a question of better or worse panel, here with the mi pad 5 the HDR does not work completely.
It is sold as HDR10 & Dolby Vision certified but then they don't work at all; I've also seen a user on reddit report the exact same thing so I'm starting to think it's a software problem...
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It's not a question of better or worse panel, here with the mi pad 5 the HDR does not work completely.
It is sold as HDR10 & Dolby Vision certified but then they don't work at all; I've also seen a user on reddit report the exact same thing so I'm starting to think it's a software problem...
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when you open hdr video, if it's too dark, yes, that's because hdr is working, but ips panel is not really good at dark color so that's the problem.
I also subscribe to this issue, I own the Non-Pro and HDR videos are way too dark, some movies on Netflix are almost impossible to watch despite cracking the brightness up manually (it makes the subtitle too bright compared to actual video).
I hope Xiaomi will implement a fix in future updates.
Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
If I knew the software is that bad I would had gone with Samsung tablet instead.
@OP is not wrong at all, this is a software issue, the screen is bright enough for HDR content but the software is lacking.
Bug has been reported on a lot of forums, including here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/rofr22
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I also subscribe to this issue, I own the Non-Pro and HDR videos are way too dark, some movies on Netflix are almost impossible to watch despite cracking the brightness up manually (it makes the subtitle too bright compared to actual video).
I hope Xiaomi will implement a fix in future updates.
Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
If I knew the software is that bad I would had gone with Samsung tablet instead.
@OP is not wrong at all, this is a software issue, the screen is bright enough for HDR content but the software is lacking.
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Thanks for confirming my theory, it needs a bug fix otherwise so the device is really unusable for HDR content.
Have you also reported this to Xiaomi hoping that it will solve as soon as possible?
The problem is that hdr videos are made for really bright screens (hdr10 1000nits, hdr10+ 4000nits, DV up to 10tsd nits). Now on TVs this is normally not a problem because the TVs know what there max. brightness is and they can adjust the brightness of the movies. The tablet itself does also know the max. brightness but the Netflix or whatever player does not (or at least it does not work). What you can do is, use a player like mpv, and set the target-peak or, which i would not recommend, set the video brightness. Sadly, once again, the users who pay and watch movies legally are the ****ed once.
Its a night and day difference.
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Have you also reported this to Xiaomi hoping that it will solve as soon as possible?
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Did you used the feedback app that they include in the actual ROM? Or on a website?
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I also subscribe to this issue, I own the Non-Pro and HDR videos are way too dark, some movies on Netflix are almost impossible to watch despite cracking the brightness up manually (it makes the subtitle too bright compared to actual video).
I hope Xiaomi will implement a fix in future updates.
Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
If I knew the software is that bad I would had gone with Samsung tablet instead.
@OP is not wrong at all, this is a software issue, the screen is bright enough for HDR content but the software is lacking.
Bug has been reported on a lot of forums, including here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/rofr22
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I noticed that the "standard" display mode was way better for me than Vivid on Netflix. I can see dark scenes way better with it
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The problem is that hdr videos are made for really bright screens (hdr10 1000nits, hdr10+ 4000nits, DV up to 10tsd nits).
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By your logic, DV must be completely black but instead, it's the only HDR that works on Pad5.
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Also, when playing Dolby Vision files, the aspect ratio is something bad such as 20:9 (actual videos are played in some ultra-wide aspect ratio), the actual dark frames on top and bottom eat 50% of the vertical space, this is also a bug.
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This is a "just player" bug, use mpv.
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By your logic, DV must be completely black but instead, it's the only HDR that works on Pad5.
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No, bad wording. It is made for screens up to ...nits. Now when you want to display it on a screen, not as bright, you need to map the colors to a lower brightness. And you don't wan't to simply cut it off on the dark or bright side. But you can tweak the mapping and the default players are really bad at it. Also i have no clue why DV should be the only one working.
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I also highly doubt that mpv fixes anything. It uses the same HW decoding than any other player for DV or if it uses the SW decoder the colors will not be correct. Here is the issue: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/7326
You don't understand. DV _and_ hdr10 should work, but right now it's only DV and only with mpv and JP. The image is dark but not too dark as with hdr10. Just Player has a bug with black bars (it's not the aspect ratio because the image is cut on top and bottom.), not colors.
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You don't understand. DV _and_ hdr10 should work, but right now it's only DV and only with mpv and JP. The image is dark but not too dark as with hdr10. Just Player has a bug with black bars (it's not the aspect ratio because the image is cut on top and bottom.), not colors.
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I don't wan't so sound rude but mpv just does not support DV. IF mpv playes your DV files i would be highly interessted in those files. I can imagine that you have some hdr10 compatible DV files? These will play in mpv just like hdr10 files. You can check with mediainfo and look for the HDR format string. E.g Lotr DV BD would be :
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SM PTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible"
you can also see the mastering brightness here
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2,m ax: 4000 cd/m2
Also the cropping for files happens on all DV files (that i could find). All of these players have in common that they use the HW decoding for DV and afaik there are no DV players which do not use HW
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Ok, it looks like you're right but results are still completely inconsistent.
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Mastering display luminance
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Maybe this is the problem. But I can't get this info in MI.
This sample has this mediainfo:
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.05.06, BL+RPU
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JP plays it perfectly (or ok) without cropping problem and mpv has broken colors (so it really can't play DV).
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Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.06, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
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Just Player plays it perfectly but has the cropping problem. With mpv picture is completely broken and with VLC&MXP it's ok (not too dark).
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JP has cropping&brightness problems, mpv doesn't. But it looks like mpv is using tone mapping (?) - if you pause the file in VLC and tilt the pad the image would be the same as in mpv.
IMO this is a limitation with the physical screen itself, the fact is pad 5 only had a peak brightness of around 500, 478 nits iirc. Trying to play HDR content on a 478 peak brightness screen is impossible without doing some sort down- "tone mapping" which if it does, it's not HDR anymore, just capable of displaying HDR video. (the S10 iirc has 1000 nits max brightness and can peak to 1200 when required on a short time, that;s why the dark part is clear there).
on a 478 nits screen, even if you crank the brightness as high as it could, the dark part of the video is probably too crammed together, thus you're seeing a crushed black on HDR videos, where the dark part actually blends into a blob instead of just being really dark with some sort of defining shape clarity. The only solution is to change the tone mapping to SDR (BT.709 color space) either by transcoding the video itself or use a player with a tone mapping function (which if exist only useful for video files and not streaming services).
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(the S10 iirc has 1000 nits max brightness and can peak to 1200 when required on a short time, that;s why the dark part is clear there).
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You talking about marketing numbers. Here is a test of S21 https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s21-review-2218p3.php 416 to 856 nits. https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pad_5-review-2317p3.php pad5 has 478 nits and they guessing there can be more "Unfortunately, there is no Sunlight Boost even if the settings page suggests that. Maybe it will be enabled with a future firmware update, maybe not. Still tablet can be much brighter when watching HDR content, of course,". Iirc there was a review with 500+ nits max test with this Boost.
And the question is why there is only one player that can show you decent results with dv&hdr10 but has a cropping bug? Why Xiaomi with these hardware specs marketing it as compatible when even their own player can't play this content with decent results?
Updated to miui13 and it looks like the cropping problem on Just Player is gone.
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You talking about marketing numbers. Here is a test of S21 https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s21-review-2218p3.php 416 to 856 nits. https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pad_5-review-2317p3.php pad5 has 478 nits and they guessing there can be more "Unfortunately, there is no Sunlight Boost even if the settings page suggests that. Maybe it will be enabled with a future firmware update, maybe not. Still tablet can be much brighter when watching HDR content, of course,". Iirc there was a review with 500+ nits max test with this Boost.
And the question is why there is only one player that can show you decent results with dv&hdr10 but has a cropping bug? Why Xiaomi with these hardware specs marketing it as compatible when even their own player can't play this content with decent results?
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I will refer to displaymate, while 400-800 nits are brightness in manual mode, when used in automatic brightness at high ambient light it could bring up to 900 nits for 50% apl, and 1200+ nits for 1% (which is probably where the 1300 nits marketing came from, while 1% APL is practically useless it's not entirely false either).
I did once owned an S10, and when you play HDR content, the screen will enter that automatic brightness mode, as it does becomes really-really bright, as if I was using it outdoor (high ambient light). So I would assume when comparing HDR vs HDR then the S10 probably should be assumed operated at 800-900 nits. Playing SDR content, you can't achieve the same brightness when playing HDR. I can't comment on s21 since i don't owned one, and can't tell if this automatic brightness thing still exist.
This is the same issue with HDR400, while by specification it is HDR, it sucks. And pad 5 being "Support Dolby Vision" is not equal to a brilliant dolby vision experience, it could be just technicalities that means that it could receive dolby Vision Input.
HDR10 contents usually are mastered at 1000-4000 nits, (I would assume DV is around that or bit higher). HDR TVs are usually only start to have good HDR experience from 600 nits or more, 1000 nits preferable. So I really can't complain if I don't get the same experience with seeing HDR10/DV on a 1000 nits TVs.
OTOH I do agree that there's also a software issues because the inconsistencies I've also experience, like when playing HDR content, even when i pump the brightness to full, it felt like it is not as bright as playing SDR at full brightness. And playing HDR10 in youtube is usually just fine (idk if youtube tone-mapped the HDR), only when playing hdr10 video files or streaming service like netflix/prime that the issue exist.
The only thing I wish it had is a turn off HDR switch or tone-mapping enable switch. Like most dark scene on netflix with DV are unviewable in this device, because it's way too dark, and I'd just rather see the SDR version.
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The only thing I wish it had is a turn off HDR switch or tone-mapping enable switch. Like most dark scene on netflix with DV are unviewable in this device, because it's way too dark, and I'd just rather see the SDR version
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Youtube app doesn't do tone mapping but you can manually set quality to SDR in the smartube app.
With files (or netflix), if it's too dark, you can set the color scheme to "standard" but the image would be low saturated or use built-in brightness&contrast settings in mpv (+10 both is good).
Tone mapping is an app feature not global, so until Netflix does something you can't do much. Only fake the hardware id/specs that it can't support HDR (idk if it's possible).
Just some more info on mpv with hdr (all for normal hdr, no DV):
Use this if you want to use the hardware decoding that normal player use (like the integrated video player):
vo=mediacodec_embed
hwdec=mediacodec
wid=(intptr_t)(*android.view.Surface)
this will directly use HW decoding and present the result on the screen.
Use the following if you want more details in dark scenes (i think this are the default settings):
hwdec=mediacodec-copy
gpu-context=android
I don't know exactly what mpv uses internally here but the main idea is to use the HW decoding, copy the image back to memory, do some post processing and present it on the screen
What i like to use:
hwdec=mediacodec-copy
gpu-context=android
hdr-compute-peak=yes
tone-mapping=hable
Mostly the same, but not as aggressive in my opinion (only personal preference).
more to read: https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#options-tone-mapping
Hi, I'm thinking of getting a pixel 6 / 6 pro, but first I'd like to know what kind of video I can get from it.
Has anyone tested mcpro24fps ? What are the maximum resolutions available ? The maximum bitrate ?
Are the aux cameras available and working ? (It seems like the ultra wide isn't very wide or very good, but at least the main and zoom lenses ?)
For anyone who is curious, this is an $18 app mcpro24fps - professional manual video camera app.
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For anyone who is curious, this is an $18 app mcpro24fps - professional manual video camera app.
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It's also available for free if you download it through the developper's telegram discussion - but it's in russian. I learned where the main buttons are through screenshots and google lens translation, and it works well enough for me.
Not sure I'm allowed to post the link to the telegram here, but if I am I will !
i've dabbled with this app and filmic on previous devices and been left a bit frustrated. it all depends on your usual way of working. for a start you lose all gyro stabilization, which for me is a deal breaker. also with regards the pixel 6, my guess would be that you will also lose it's hdr.net video capabilities, which is an incredible feature.
on my p6p the default white balance for video (but not stills) is a little warm. i've found that if you tweak the white balance slider down just a tiny bit, the footage looks really amazing. if you also hop onto the MWP mod of the camera, you can bump the bitrate up to 100, vs the 69 of stock. using this mod you can control most aspects of the stills, saturation sharpness noise control hdr etc. i've yet to experiment whether those also apply to video.
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i've dabbled with this app and filmic on previous devices and been left a bit frustrated. it all depends on your usual way of working. for a start you lose all gyro stabilization, which for me is a deal breaker. also with regards the pixel 6, my guess would be that you will also lose it's hdr.net video capabilities, which is an incredible feature.
on my p6p the default white balance for video (but not stills) is a little warm. i've found that if you tweak the white balance slider down just a tiny bit, the footage looks really amazing. if you also hop onto the MWP mod of the camera, you can bump the bitrate up to 100, vs the 69 of stock. using this mod you can control most aspects of the stills, saturation sharpness noise control hdr etc. i've yet to exp
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It's also available for free if you download it through the developper's telegram discussion - but it's in russian. I learned where the main buttons are through screenshots and google lens translation, and it works well enough for me.
Not sure I'm allowed to post the link to the telegram here, but if I am I will !
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Can i get the free link please? Thanks
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Can i get the free link please? Thanks
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Yes, of course :
mcpro24fps
Official mcpro24fps channel (Android™ only) Купить в РФ Huawei AppGallery: https://bit.ly/mcpro24fpshua English chat: https://t.me/mcpro24fps_en Русский чат: https://t.me/mcpro24fps_ru Youtube: https://youtube.com/mcpro24fps Карта Мир: 2204120102886906
t.me
Although as I already said, that version is only in Russian. What I usually do is take a screenshot, open it in google photos, tap the google lens icon and select "translate". So I can only read a few buttons at a time.
Also you will need to download and install any future updates by yourself.
If you've never used the app, basically tap the camera icon at the bottom of the screen, select one of the two top menus (with or without gpu, it determines wether the video feed will be encoded by the gpu or isp) then select 60 fps, and finally the highest resolution available.
Then a bit further down one of the options is a value in megabytes, that's the bitrate, push it as far as possible (before the selection turns red)
You can also check out the aux sensors by taping the button at the top-left corner.
So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized? If "saturation sharpness noise control" are of interest, wouldn't it be wiser to just shoot in RAW and then edit later on, ensuring that the "base" product is of higher quality?
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So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized?
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The base idea of the app is that it gives you acess to the rawest output from the sensor. It supports better resolutions than the stock camera, in much higher bitrate. In theory, it also supports denoise and both ois and eis.
I made this post to check if all of these do actually work on the pixel 6 pro (including on the aux lenses) and what resolutions and fps combos are supported.
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So... if stabilization, hdr.net video and GCAM processing is out the window, what good is this app if it only gets fed the 12.5 MP downgraded version of a sensor that has not been properly optimized? If "saturation sharpness noise control" are of interest, wouldn't it be wiser to just shoot in RAW and then edit later on, ensuring that the "base" product is of higher quality?
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The only thing it might not have is hdr.net, and even that might be exposed as a video output from the camera api, so even that might be a possibility, just with a higher bitrate than what the stock app supports.
EDIT : The video feed isn't downgraded in any way, stabilization is supported, and it supplants gcam processing which isn't really good at video anyway (except maybe hdr.net, but we'll see).
I noticed a problem when watching Youtube videos. For example this video
I can watch that video just fine on a Poco x3 pro (also SD 860 and 120hz), but on the Pad 5 there is a problem. I don't see anything until 10 nits in the video. I also cranked up the brightness to the max. On my mobile I can see something much earlier - with normal brightness.
Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be?
Mine starts from 1 nit onwards, if I enable screen balance app 0.5 nit. Tbh I hate the screen. This device is called 'media consumption'. I can't enjoy a movie when blacks are absent
I am regretting my decision tbh. Should have bought a basic oled device.
I just realized that when I use Newpipe instead I can see the colored boxes from 0.2 nits onwards. So it is not necessarily a screen issue?
I am wondering what could be the difference between Newpipe and Youtube?
Could also be youtubes own codec for videos. However, the ips panel used on mi pad 5 lacks any depth or contrast. checked couple of reviews. One says contrast is 1300:1 the other says 550:1 . What I can tell is, I am not gonna watch a movie on this tablet.
I was reading someone today saying that YouTube only displays HDR with the AV1 codec.
No idea if true or not
With max brightness after 2 nit , in normal brightness after 3 nits
Thanks for your answers and testing!
I guess, there is indeed something broken in the Xiaomi Pad 5. I noticed that the display problem only happens when you play HDR movies. The Netflix movie quality is good in my case. but only because my plan does not include HDR apparently. HDR movies look ok with Newpipe, because Newpipe does not support HDR ...
HDR is basically broken on all Pad 5 tablets. Wow!
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I was reading someone today saying that YouTube only displays HDR with the AV1 codec.
No idea if true or not
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Seems to be multiple Codecs for hdr.
Well I am stuck w this tablet. Have to find a way to enjoy it, somehow
Thank you for the added information @parser
What application is that? Very cool the way it displays all formats available
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Thank you for the added information @parser
What application is that? Very cool the way it displays all formats available
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My pleasure,
This is an app called smart tube next. Just Google it. Devs name is yuliskov. It has a github page.
Even though I have youtube premium, I use his YouTube app on my firetv.
Ah yes, i hear it is a superb application.
I too pay for Youtube Premium, but will load it up on my Shield TV as Shield users mention how good it is, all the time.
Thank you! @parser