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So when are they set out to go on sale? I've seen them on different sites, but no release dates. Anybody know?
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So when are they set out to go on sale? I've seen them on different sites, but no release dates. Anybody know?
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I am anxiously awaiting this headset as well. I am debating between this and the Sony 980.
Go for the Sony ones. The Motorola ones are sometimes quite uncomfortable.
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So when are they set out to go on sale? I've seen them on different sites, but no release dates. Anybody know?
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just get a new s9 from ebay for £19.00 (just bought one at that price!) and install SRS Wow HD which seems to be the only difference between the s9 and the s9 hd........
Background noise
I wonder if the HD version fixed the awful background noise issue whenever you called that S9 had
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Go for the Sony ones. The Motorola ones are sometimes quite uncomfortable.
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I dunno, I've gotten kind of used to the unbearable ear pinching all 'round head throb. I'm sure the HD is much better. or not.
Actually, It's not too bad. I really do like the S9 better than a borg ear implant styles or the Jabra dog tag in spite of the fit.
Can anyone explain me the special features of Motorola HD version ?
waiting...
i'm hoping to test it out too..
currently i'm using plantronics 590A.. pretty awesome sound too. works well with my HTC Touch too.
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Can anyone explain me the special features of Motorola HD version ?
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1. SRS WOW HD technology (better sound ."3D" sound).
2. Better sweat/water resistence.
3. New covered buttons (easier to use sweat should not affect them).
4. Improved noise isolation (better at makeing and receiving phone calls).
5. I think it has a longer run time (not 100% sure.
6. Improved BT reception (less interfearence).
7. New ear buds (better seal aginst background noise).
8. There NOT red (ok, not a big deal. Flash just isn't my style).
I ordered the S9 before I saw the S9-HD where out. Just ordered that too. So I'll have them both in a few days. We'll see how it goes.
Anyone with real life expierence with the S9-HD?
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1. SRS WOW HD technology (better sound ."3D" sound).
2. Better sweat/water resistence.
3. New covered buttons (easier to use sweat should not affect them).
4. Improved noise isolation (better at makeing and receiving phone calls).
5. I think it has a longer run time (not 100% sure.
6. Improved BT reception (less interfearence).
7. New ear buds (better seal aginst background noise).
8. There NOT red (ok, not a big deal. Flash just isn't my style).
I ordered the S9 before I saw the S9-HD where out. Just ordered that too. So I'll have them both in a few days. We'll see how it goes.
Anyone with real life expierence with the S9-HD?
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Be sure to report how the HD compared and if they're really better in voice calls. I have the original S9's and had to buy a separate BT headset just for voice calls as I couldn't take the complaints from other callers about them hearing everything in the background apart from my voice.
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Be sure to report how the HD compared and if they're really better in voice calls. I have the original S9's and had to buy a separate BT headset just for voice calls as I couldn't take the complaints from other callers about them hearing everything in the background apart from my voice.
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The S9-HD should arrive in a day or two. I'll let you know how call work out.
I just got in the S9's I ordered before I know the S9-HD's where out and ordered those too.
I have to say the call quality is better than I expected from the S9's. Not as good as my regular BT headset (jawbone 2), butso far they seem to work fin inside my house. Even when sitting in front of the computer with the TV tuner running at normal or a little above normal listening level. I'm sure our side it would not work quite as well, but have yet to even try. My Jawbone will stay my everyday BT headset. The S9 and S9-HD will be for music and workouts/running.
I'll compare with the S9-HD's as soon as I get my hands on them (tomorrow, if I'm lucky... If not by MOnday for sure).
Ok folks, so I've had my S9-HDs for a about 1.5 wks now. For a point of reference I had the old S9s for about 1.5 yrs (went thru 4 pairs due to sweat issue).
So S9-HDs, they come with a new ear insert, they have a rubber "ring" around them. They come with two sets of those (mine appear to be identical size, was thinking one would be bigger than the other) and the old S9 inserts.
I have resorted to the old standard S9 type inserts. The buttons on the S9-HD are elevated or "bubbled" I believe this was directly due to the sweat issue with the old S9s. I'm guessing the moisture created the old S9 buttons to short out where as with the elevated/bubbled buttons on the new S9-HDs the buttons are not as flush meaning the water/sweat won't ruin the connectivity within the buttons (just my assumption)
I honestly liked the sound better in my old S9s...not impressed with the SRS WOW. I end up turning it off half the time, almost too much bass with not enough mid range or treble.
Only ended up using the bluetooth call capabilities for about 1 min with the wife calling me while at the gym. I have had a couple hard workouts with a lot of sweat and no issues with the buttons.
Hope this helps a bit, if you have any direct questions let me know and Ill try to test and respond for you.
Is there more than one setting for the SRS WOW? Which is probably why I prefer to have the SRS installed on the device and I can adjust the sound etc.
Really interested in how good they are for voice, especially for people listening in environments with a fair bit of ambient noise.
I don't think anything can rival the Jawbone 2's but would be nice to know if this is now nearer to an all in one solution.
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Is there more than one setting for the SRS WOW? Which is probably why I prefer to have the SRS installed on the device and I can adjust the sound etc.
Really interested in how good they are for voice, especially for people listening in environments with a fair bit of ambient noise.
I don't think anything can rival the Jawbone 2's but would be nice to know if this is now nearer to an all in one solution.
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Will test on more voice calls...I have these for working out and golfing (Driving range). I use my jawbone when I use voice, except when I get calls while using the S9s.
As for the SRS it is either on or off...no variation or inbetween setting. I'm using it with the HTC Fuze which unfortunately the graphic equalizer only works with wired headphones the settings don't work with the S9s.
Still no S9-HD's... They should arrive by Monday, I hope.
I did go for my first Run with the S9's (a short 1 mile, it's been several month scene I've dome any running). The worked just fine. A couple of drop outs but very minor. I was very happy with them, and my controls still work. It was also a cool night and a short run so I didn't sweat like usual (LOTS).
I do worry about the "sweat and controls" issue. Trying to think of somethink that might help safeguard against this. I've thought about applying a small amount of silicone around the edges of the controls. Or perhaps some kind of coating to make it more sweat/water resistant. we'll see, anybe I should just not use there for excersize and keep the S9-HD for that.
OK have had my S9-HD for about 2 weeks or so now. Here are a few thoughts:
Voice calls:
Seems a little better than the S9's, but I would not use it as my only BT headset. The do a little better with background noise, but it can still be an issue. You'll want a good BT headset for dedicated voice calls. I called my voice mail with the radio on and with the S9's the radio overwhelmed my voice making my voice incomprehensible. With the S9-HD the radio made it difficult to hear me, but you could make out mu voice and get what I was saying. So it seem to be a bit of an improvement. Oh and the S9-HD give you stereo audio in phone calls now witch is a nice bonus.
Music:
They sound good, but I like the audio from my S9 better. I Think it sounds more detailed. It a subtle difference and might just be me, but I lean toward the S9 as far as my preferred unit for music listening. They both sound very good with my Tilt, in fact It they sound better with my Tilt than the new Samsung P2 MP3 play I bought for these. I should of just stuck with my Tilt for music.
Buttons:
As mentioned the S9-Hd's new buttons are raised. Personally I don't like them as much as the older S9's buttons. With the S9 you could feel the "hump" and go up or down to get to the function you want. With the New three "hump" design you have to feel around to make see witch hump you on (center? top? bottom?) before you can get to the function you want.
Now the main reason for me gettin the HD's is for their improved sweat resistance (wtch may be one reason the the three hump design). Don't know it there actually better. So far no problems with either, but will use the new one for running and the old one for non-physical activities.
If you plan on getting sweaty while using these or want a little more usable call function the S9-HD are a good option, if not stick with the S9 and save some cash.
I almost forgot. I love using the the S9/S9-HD with my slingbox. It really mke it much more enjoyable. It also works with Skype, though you do have some cut outs but no more than normal.
My review
I purchased the S9-HD's and have been playing with them for about a week now. I am using them with an HTC Fuze. I find that they pair easily, and work very well with the integrated music player in TouchFlo3D. However, they don't work as well with Windows Media Player Mobile, often when I hit the pause button, it starts playing the TouchFlo3D player instead of pausing Media Player, like it's given precedence to that app in the system.
I have always had a problem with the type of headphones that are springy/stiff plastic which hold them clamped onto your head, as they make my ears sore and painful after about 20-30 mins. I find that these phones also do this to me.
I like them, the overall quality is nice, sound quality is decent for BT (although not great) and they stay in better than earbuds. However, even with the smallest rubber earbud covers on them, they make the inside of my ear hurt from the pressure, both the inward pressure from the whole unit pressing in on my head from each side, and also the outward pressure of the earbud inside my ear, pressing out on my inner ear.
I find that I can wear them reasonably comfortably for around 20-30 mins and then I have to take a break. I think I just have a small ear opening because when wearing earplugs (motorcycling) I always have to go with the small soft kind, the "standard" yellow cylinder ones are painful to me.
But, they stay on great, something I hate about earbuds which always fall out. I think I might try the "dog tag" Jabra's as a second set, and sell the other. I really want to get rid of all cords, but the S9's are not the 100% solution for me.
If the darn Fuze had a 3.5mm jack none of this would be an issue! The giant adapter dongle they include is simply not acceptable, it's literally the length again of the whole phone!
Why don't you buy a little adapter? Check amazon.
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Why don't you buy a little adapter? Check amazon.
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Thanks man, didn't really even think to look for some reason, and there's like 20 different ones out there. cheers
headphones
is the SRS-wow already on when the unit is powered on?
i can't tell any difference between the two settings so i'm assuming its on when i power up.
i've had mine for a week...LOVE IT! can't compare it to anything else though. i'm trying to figure out if i like the bigger earbuds compared to the smaller ones they gave. both are a bit annoying after wearing for more than an hour but i read somwhere that one of them give better sound....again, not sure about differences....not really an audiophile.
I know the question has been asked here before, but what i'm looking for is not one of those single ear head headsets. I want a decent, price should be not too expensive (read, I'm not spending $500 but $100 would be a good price), and work well with the mogul.
If it can handle taking phone calls as well, that's great.
Thanks in advance.
I use the Moto S9 headphones. I can highly recommend them.
I read some reviews on this and it didn't get really good reviews that is. Anyone have any other recommendations?
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thank you for the feedback. I do appreciate it.
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I read some reviews on this and it didn't get really good reviews that is. Anyone have any other recommendations?
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thank you for the feedback. I do appreciate it.
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I am pretty happy with my new Plantronics Voyager 855, which are convertible, mono/stereo.
They are probably not the ultimate in sound reproduction, but they suit my purposes well. I am an avid classical music fan, and have a good ear. I like the convertibility feature very much. I can listen to music with just the main earpiece, or with both.
Ben
sanjsrik said:
I read some reviews on this and it didn't get really good reviews that is.
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Before I bought my S9s, I read the reviews on Engadget. They received more reviews than any other brand. While a couple read, "these suck," the majority said that the quality was top notch for a b/t headset.
The problematic parts will be the earbuds, which, based on your head size, may or may not fit all the way into your ears. Also, the entire headset is an active mic, so when talking on your phone while riding the subway, your caller will hear everything.
For me, I only hate it when the high back collar of my ski jacket interferes with the back of the head strap. I don't have this problem indoors, at the gym, or in warm weather. I can even listen to music while lying on my side.
Before you choose any headset, ask to try them on for fit. You won't have any problem with audio quality.
I sync my headset to my laptop to listen to music, and it automatically switches to the phone for calls. I also connect it to my phone for portable music without re-pairing.
I would like to back-to-back compare these to the Bluetrek ST-1. But no retailer in my neighborhood sells them.
Cheers.
Voyager 855 vs. Motorola S9
I own both the Voyager 855 and the Motorola S9. I find the stereo sound quality on both of these headsets to be nearly equal (very good quality).
I find myself using the Voyager 855 more because they are more comfortable. The S9's get in the way when I'm laying back in the passenger seat of the car.
Another pro for the Voyager 855 is that the telephone quality is superior, not to mention that you hear the conversation in BOTH ears, instead of just one.
I keep both because the S9's are better in wet climates (I live in Portland, OR) so if it's raining out and I'm going to be outside, I put on the S9's.
When I first bought the Voyager 855's, I thought the sound quality was awful. When I went to return them to the store I bought them and complained of sound quality, the rep showed me how to properly insert them into the ears... WOW what a difference when you have these things seated properly in the ear!
I think you would be happy with either headset. Before you buy, make sure you understand the return/exchange policy of the store. These things are not cheap and you don't want to get stuck with something that doesn't fit your needs/lifestyle.
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When I first bought the Voyager 855's, I thought the sound quality was awful. When I went to return them to the store I bought them and complained of sound quality, the rep showed me how to properly insert them into the ears... WOW what a difference when you have these things seated properly in the ear!
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After a few days' of use of my Voyager 855, I found that the volume of the main earpiece seems very low. When I use both earpieces, the volume is much better.
I have contacted Plantronics, who have offered to replace them. I wonder if I am not fitting the earpiece properly, as you were doing? Was your volume low until you learned to insert them properly into you ears?
Hey everyone, I was hoping to get some input from the community on this one as I have been searching all over trying to figure out what the best bluetooth headset with a small form factor is for noise cancellation and overall quality.
I don't want it to be gaudy, I like the subtle headsets that don't extend half way down your face. I work in a very loud environment (auto shop) so I need something that will drown out the ambient noise pretty well.
I don't want to go out and spend hundreds of dollars on different headsets trying to find one that works well. Hopefully some people here can enlighten me on what works and what doesn't based on experience.
TIA!
Why don't you try the new motorola S10-HD ($80 at best buy) , this is the upgrade of the S9-HD. it has only 1 noise cancelling microphone. Compared to the Nokia BH-905 which has 7 noise cancelling microphones, but it cost $249 at amazon.
I have the S9-HD , sonic quality is very good. I haven't tried yet the S10-HD even though it has only 1 noise cancelling mic, I think the sound will be a little bit better than the S9.
I personally use the Motorola H17. Not a fan of Motorola phones but they make excellent Bluetooth headsets. They sell for 100 bucks at your local Tmo store BUT you can always save some money with our good friend the internet.
Newegg sells them for 53 bucks brand new
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...268&cm_re=motorola_h17-_-75-982-268-_-Product
Or you can get it for only 25 bucks if you don't care about the fancy packaging
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...280&cm_re=motorola_h17-_-75-982-280-_-Product
I've used this while driving and windows slightly down and my gf was still able to hear me fine. Also, I never turn this over 60% volume because it is super loud as well. Would definitely recommend it.
try the Sound ID 400, i had it for a while, it's pretty good and you can get it for around $50
i have a blueant q1, noise canceling is good enough that my i could talk to my wife with the top off and doing 60.... couldnt find any others that would do that.
hukkguai said:
I personally use the Motorola H17. Not a fan of Motorola phones but they make excellent Bluetooth headsets. They sell for 100 bucks at your local Tmo store BUT you can always save some money with our good friend the internet.
Newegg sells them for 53 bucks brand new
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...268&cm_re=motorola_h17-_-75-982-268-_-Product
Or you can get it for only 25 bucks if you don't care about the fancy packaging
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...280&cm_re=motorola_h17-_-75-982-280-_-Product
I've used this while driving and windows slightly down and my gf was still able to hear me fine. Also, I never turn this over 60% volume because it is super loud as well. Would definitely recommend it.
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Some of the comment said it is easily break ( about the plastic thing over the ear?), and I can't figure out how the flip works
Is it really fragile?
g.sembhi said:
try the Sound ID 400, i had it for a while, it's pretty good and you can get it for around $50
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I agree. Value wise, the Sound ID's are a great bang for your buck. I've had Motorola, Jabra, and BlueAnt that cost double, but were not much better quality.
For overall sound, the BlueAnt was best, but durability was bad. I left it in my car and the rubber over the earpiece pretty much disintegrated within 6 months.
Jawbone ICON! You will never use another.
Hi there, I just purchased the Blueant Q2 from ebay for $40.00 and it is the best bluetooth I have ever had. I am constantly driving for my job and while on the road, even with the window down doing 75 I can hear every word the other person is saying perfectly and they can hear me clearly with no other noises ever. SIMPLY THE BEST EVER!!!!
I would say the best option for your money is the official PS3 headset. It works with cellphones, and has a noise-canceling microphone. It also comes with a dock which if connected to your PC or PS3, will turn your headset into a desktop mic. Ive seen it as low as $25, but you may be able to find it for cheaper, especially since a new model was recently released.
I use the motorola rokr its a dual speaker headset with great sound and very weather resistant I'm outside everyday all day with it at work, charges in about 15 min and last about 8 hours
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I use the motorola rokr its a dual speaker headset with great sound and very weather resistant I'm outside everyday all day with it at work, charges in about 15 min and last about 8 hours
Sent from my SGH-T959
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Its not that good if I wear glasses...
I just bought the sound ID 510 about a week ago....found it for on $40 (refurbed) on amazon...I have bought about 5 different Bluetooth headsets in the past 2yrs....And this one is IMO the best device out....especially at that price....Oh and the app in the android market has some pretty nice features..
Jibreil said:
Jawbone ICON! You will never use another.
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I read a lot of positive comments in xda or amazon review,
after getting one new from ebay,
I am totally disappointed.
The sound is so choppy and is even worse than the Samsung WEP490 which is only $10 bucks when I got my vibrant.
I followed the procedure and the sensor is physically touching my face,
I even tried putting it on both ears!
I dont know if it is only my device is defective but the first impression is so bad..
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I read a lot of positive comments in xda or amazon review,
after getting one new from ebay,
I am totally disappointed.
The sound is so choppy and is even worse than the Samsung WEP490 which is only $10 bucks when I got my vibrant.
I followed the procedure and the sensor is physically touching my face,
I even tried putting it on both ears!
I dont know if it is only my device is defective but the first impression is so bad..
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I own the ICON as well and it's the best headset I've come across! I think the one your brought could definitely be a defective unit
I am kind of hard of hearing.
I am looking for suggestions on the following for headphones/buds. I would prefer buds but over the ear is okay.
1. Loud. (Loud enough to use while I am mowing the lawn and weed eating) I listen to both music and podcasts.
2. Clear/Good sound.
3. Not too expensive.
First one that says "Beats" gets my AR-15 pulled on them. Though no one should make that suggestion since two of my requirements are that they sound good and are inexpensive.
I use the ones that came with my M8 for everyday use and I had a certain set that I used while mowing. (They were earbuds and came with one of my MOTO phones I think) I broke them the other day mowing when they caught on the handle of the pull start and ripped apart.
Anyway, is anyone in a similar situation that has suggestions for me?
Also, down the road, I would like to find some BT earbuds or headphones that fit the same criteria.
If you have seen a sticky with all my reviews (also the link in my signature), I reviewed a ton of headphones. When it comes to wired ones and on a budget, Xiaomi Pistons might be a good choice for you but wires will get in the way. Speaking from a personal experience when I'm working in my backyard, you need to go with a wireless headset. I absolutely enjoy using my LG HBS-730 because of all the controls under my fingers. HBS-800 has a better sound, but some of the controls are not as easy to access and 800 cost $90 while 730 is on sale for $43 now. Both were reviewed and in my list. 730 is a great choice under $50, you can get it loud enough, and all the controls are easy to access.
It really depends on what you want to use them for.. Yes obviously listen to music but is that all?. Do you want a pair for watching movies with big sound or are they just for your way to work on the bus..
Perso, I bought the cheapest pair of sony buds and they work like a charm.
On a side note, if your hard at hearing why would the sound quality be a priority since your probably going to phase out the deeper hrz you would find on more expensive gear.....
If somewhat hard of hearing, I think sound isolating headphones (either closed back ones that just keep sound out, or active noise cancellation ones) would be the way to go. In my experience, managing the signal-to-noise ratio is as important as total volume. Knock out the background noise, and the signal that you want to hear will be easier to hear at moderate volume.
Xiaomi Piston 2 have very good sound from what I have read. If you use Comply tips they will also isolate very well.
Xiaomi Piston IF Commemorative Edition (With more tips)
Xiaomi Piston Design 2.0 Earphones
They are both the same
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If you have seen a sticky with all my reviews (also the link in my signature), I reviewed a ton of headphones. When it comes to wired ones and on a budget, Xiaomi Pistons might be a good choice for you but wires will get in the way. Speaking from a personal experience when I'm working in my backyard, you need to go with a wireless headset. I absolutely enjoy using my LG HBS-730 because of all the controls under my fingers. HBS-800 has a better sound, but some of the controls are not as easy to access and 800 cost $90 while 730 is on sale for $43 now. Both were reviewed and in my list. 730 is a great choice under $50, you can get it loud enough, and all the controls are easy to access.
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Sorry for just now getting back here but I have been busy. Thanks for the replies. As recommended both by you and note10 I will check out the Pistons.
As for the LG BT buds, I picked up a pair a few months ago at the Verizon store. A lot of the employees in the stores had them on so I specifically asked about quality and volume. I was told they were great. So I bought them. They were the LG Pro. On sale for $59.
Well they sounded like crap. no volume and it was like I was listening through a tin can. So I took them back. Someone I know was working theat day and I told him my problem. And he was wearing a pair. So this guy leveled with me. The ones they are carrying are the second gen and they have been getting them all back. Just about everybody in the store that was wearing them had the first gens. Huge difference.
obtuce said:
It really depends on what you want to use them for.. Yes obviously listen to music but is that all?. Do you want a pair for watching movies with big sound or are they just for your way to work on the bus..
Perso, I bought the cheapest pair of sony buds and they work like a charm.
On a side note, if your hard at hearing why would the sound quality be a priority since your probably going to phase out the deeper hrz you would find on more expensive gear.....
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I will mostly use them around the house and yard work for both music and podcasts of talk shows.
As for wanting sound quality, I am hard of hearing, not deaf. I have losses in some upper ranges. And I also have tinnitus which is mainly why I need the louder volume. I still like deep rich bases and clear highs (at least the ones I can hear)
Skullcandy
I don't like buying headphones that are too expensive. That's why I bough the Skullcandy Ink'd 2.0. They seem to be really solid headphones and even after 5 times in the washing machine were working for me. :good:
They can go pretty loud and they're really clear audio quality. That is my recommendation
If volume is the biggest problem, something like a Fiio E11 ask amp, or even an E6, would help.
However, I fully agree you should first focus on isolation and clarity, thus salvaging whatever hearing you can. Foam tips are your friend.
Bluetooth will likely never be as loud or as clear as plugging directly in, also.
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For me it is BT headphones.
Hi guys,
I am going to buy wireless earphones. I am OnePlus 9 pro user with A12. In that case is it worth buying OnePlus Buds Pro? It supports high quality audio codec on A12, so in theory it should perform great. Do you guys have some experience in that matter? Can you compare buds pro to other manufacturers in similar (or lower) price?
I am asking here, cause I am interested in best performance for my 9 pro.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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I bought the new pro's. They ARE overpriced and the touch controls are finicky however the audio sounds better than the Samsung buds+ and some Anker ones I had. The call quality is much better on the buds pro than others I've tried as well. The ANC works pretty well but I feel that the "transparency" mode isn't as strong as Samsung's "ambient" mode which I use at work a lot. It's nice that the software for them are built into OOS' BT area also. 1+ recently had them on sale for $119 ($30 off) already.
Hopefully they push out a new firmware soon to address some of the issues. Mainly the touch controls on the stems are "touch and go" (pun intended) and there are occasional issues with the buds not thinking they're fully inserted in your (or maybe just mine) ears so they turn ANC off. I'm also hoping Comply will make tips for them soon. I have some of their all purpose tips and then don't get the "insert your earbuds" for ANC error however the all purpose Comply tips don't fully fit in the case and eventually the lid tears them since they're a tad too big.
My left Samsung ear bud's volume had been decreasing to the point that it was almost dead so I needed a pair and decided to give 1+ a shot. They're good but not $150 good IMO. At that price point they have too much competition.
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