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Just ran across this article on Cingular/ATT approving the 8525 for a WM6 upgrade later this year. I wonder when they will make the formal announcement?
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/03/26/cingulars-treo-750-blackjack-and-8525-get-wm6-treatment/
wnirenberg said:
Just ran across this article on Cingular/ATT approving the 8525 for a WM6 upgrade later this year. I wonder when they will make the formal announcement?
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/03/26/cingulars-treo-750-blackjack-and-8525-get-wm6-treatment/
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Nice second post....posting a month old engadget article, that has already been
Punch "engadget" into the search for this forum, and you'll find 5 threads that discuss this.
Things are going from bad to worse on these forums, the amount of new threads started without any good reason is getting out of hand.
Why people do not spend an hour or so searching and reading before posting and leaving themselves open for ridicule is beyond me.
SEARCH AND READ OR FACE A SHREDDING!
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Things are going from bad to worse on these forums, the amount of new threads started without any good reason is getting out of hand.
Why people do not spend an hour or so searching and reading before posting and leaving themselves open for ridicule is beyond me.
SEARCH AND READ OR FACE A SHREDDING!
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I think posts like this bright blue one lower the quality of the forum more so than a repeat thread with good intentions. My 2 cents.
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I think posts like this bright blue one lower the quality of the forum more so than a repeat thread with good intentions. My 2 cents.
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Good intentions or not it has already been posted what 10 times?
boz said:
Things are going from bad to worse on these forums, the amount of new threads started without any good reason is getting out of hand.
Why people do not spend an hour or so searching and reading before posting and leaving themselves open for ridicule is beyond me.
SEARCH AND READ OR FACE A SHREDDING!
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For what it is worth, not much, my opinion is I would rather see the same questions asked and answered civilly 20 times than see the flaming that is going on all too much right now.
New users are discovering this site all the time. That is actually a good thing. Many of them don't know how to use the site. Explain it to them, help them become contributing members. Some of them will not ... there will always be people willing to leach off a system but some of them might be our next big contributor.
If you don't want to answer a post that has been asked before, simply ignore it. Others will step in to help ... or not. It is the lack of civility that is causing all of the ruckus around here not the repeated questions.
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For what it is worth, not much, my opinion is I would rather see the same questions asked and answered civilly 20 times than see the flaming that is going on all too much right now.
New users are discovering this site all the time. That is actually a good thing. Many of them don't know how to use the site. Explain it to them, help them become contributing members. Some of them will not ... there will always be people willing to leach off a system but some of them might be our next big contributor.
If you don't want to answer a post that has been asked before, simply ignore it. Others will step in to help ... or not. It is the lack of civility that is causing all of the ruckus around here not the repeated questions.
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Get a grip mate, if you are new to something you do not jump in with both feet! I do help people when the problem is something that is obscure and is not easy to find, but for christ's sake having the same thread posted time after time gets really annoying when it takes 5 minutes to find the answer. I have personally made cab files available at least 3 times for certain questions, without all the other postings by other people.
Having new threads made for the same question also knocks existing threads down one notch making it harder to find answers when you are looking for something. How you can you justify sticking up for these idiots is beyond me, it makes you look as dumb as them.
"Ohh whaaaa, whaaa, sniff sniff, newbies are ruining our forums with stupid questions and not searching..." Shut up already. You were a newbie too once... you didn't just magically appear on this forum with 100's of posts.
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"Ohh whaaaa, whaaa, sniff sniff, newbies are ruining our forums with stupid questions and not searching..." Shut up already. You were a newbie too once... you didn't just magically appear on this forum with 100's of posts.
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Yes of course I was a nOOb once,
BUT....... I did not come here asking a lot of dumb ass questions when I started, and pissing people off with the sort of questions a 10 year old kid with some pc ability could find the answers to with one eye shut.
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Get a grip mate, if you are new to something you do not jump in with both feet! I do help people when the problem is something that is obscure and is not easy to find, but for christ's sake having the same thread posted time after time gets really annoying when it takes 5 minutes to find the answer. I have personally made the cab file available at least 3 times, without all the other postings by other people.
Having new threads made for the same question also knocks existing threads down one notch making it harder to find answers when you are looking for something. How you can you justify sticking up for these idiots is beyond me, it makes you look as dumb as them.
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Well, if asking for civility makes you dumb then count me guilty as charged.
Your argument does not hold much water. You are saying it only takes 5 minutes to find your answer in search. In fact, that is probably about right by my experience.
On the other hand you are angry with them because their post makes you look down an extra line or maybe even click a button to go to the next page to get to the thread you are looking for. That makes you sound like a bit of a hypocrite. You want them to spend 5 minutes searching so you don't have to be put out by clicking on a button to go to the next page? Think about that for a moment.
I am just saying don't flame them because that will not stop new users from asking silly questions. If your intent is to make some other user not ask a stupid question, you are probably wasting your effort. You are not going to affect the next new user that does not read because they will not read your post to know they will get flamed if they ask a stupid question.
If your intent is to get that person to search, simply tell them it is available in search and make them look. They will learn and you will still accomplish your task of teaching them to read without runing off new users who's first experience here otherwise will be to get a flame back with f*** this you so and so read the GD wikki.
We all want this site to grow, that will happen by welcoming new users not scaring them off.
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Well, if asking for civility makes you dumb then count me guilty as charged.
Your argument does not hold much water. You are saying it only takes 5 minutes to find your answer in search. In fact, that is probably about right by my experience.
On the other hand you are angry with them because their post makes you look down an extra line or maybe even click a button to go to the next page to get to the thread you are looking for. That makes you sound like a bit of a hypocrite. You want them to spend 5 minutes searching so you don't have to be put out by clicking on a button to go to the next page? Think about that for a moment.
I am just saying don't flame them because that will not stop new users from asking silly questions. If your intent is to make some other user not ask a stupid question, you are probably wasting your effort. You are not going to affect the next new user that does not read because they will not read your post to know they will get flamed if they ask a stupid question.
If your intent is to get that person to search, simply tell them it is available in search and make them look. They will learn and you will still accomplish your task of teaching them to read without runing off new users who's first experience here otherwise will be to get a flame back with f*** this you so and so read the GD wikki.
We all want this site to grow, that will happen by welcoming new users not scaring them off.
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My last comment:-
Perhaps we should have a seperate section where all nOObs can post called the nOOb section, then you can help them with their dumb and repetative questions, while the rest of us can get on with the more serious issues.
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My last comment:-
Perhaps we should have a seperate section where all nOObs can post called the nOOb section, then you can help them with their dumb and repetative questions, while the rest of us can get on with the more serious issues.
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I understand your frustration my friend. I am really a smarta** and flamer at heart I have just seen too much of it here. We spend as much time flaming the nOObs as we do contributing and the site is losing some value as a result. I just don't want to see a good thing die.
Have a good day ... see you around the site.
Forget flaming
hay all of you flaming nerds, who cares if they did not search, this thread still seemed to have attracted users even if it is dumb didn't it!!!!!!
there are more flaming posts on this site than regular posts and dumb questions combined, for every dumb question there are 30 flames.
Oh you poor people your poor little eyes have to read one extra line of words, "oh dear there is an extra word i have to read i'm a-gettin the vapors!!"
You spend way way way more time writing flames than you actaully do skipping the dumb question and moving on. or try something different and instead of being an a-hole actually help the newb find their way around.
by flaming you are showing that you are immeasurably more stupid than the one asking the dimb questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
any way, i wouldn't mind having a cingular rom since:
1. I have cingular on my unlcoked tytn
2. I can get push to talk unlimited for 10 bucks
3. I can care less about having the side button mapped to voice command, i can do that from my headet (plus if you are using voice command to dial a number right there from your handset instead of speed dial or contacts, you are just lazy)
It's amazing how seriously some take these internet forums.
So the guy is new and posted some old information, so what? It's probably happened a thousand times, correct?
Just move on and save the high blood pressure for something that really matters...
This is an absolutely freaking waste of space thread...
For the senior members please dont flame, it only makes it worse, just ignore them and they will go away since their questions dont get answered, might actually force them to read and search...
@the N00bs... READ AND SEARCH before making usless threads.. and if you dont like the rules then go elsewhere... Now when someone tries to search for a cingular WM6 8525 rom they are going to pull up several threads of the same topic.. THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME all because you were to lazy to search...
And in the case of this thread... Do you really think a month old engadget story that involves the hermes (8525) and WM6 would have somehow missed this forum... hmmmm not likely!
And just in the extremely unlikely case you wonder why:
Non-working search
+ non-working understaffed moderation
+ intentionally crippled report post functionality
+ sticking the head into the sand
== generally unproductive environment where signal/noise ratio really is completely outside of acceptable bounds. Also, total failure to get priorities straight here.
To sum this short and bumpy ride up - I do not feel like wasting more time on a forum that has lost its focus and considers a productive development environment, working search and working moderation to be less important than implementing retarded Facebook buttons, sorry.
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!
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And just in the extremely unlikely case you wonder why:
Non-working search
+ non-working understaffed moderation
+ intentionally crippled report post functionality
+ sticking the head into the sand
== generally unproductive environment where signal/noise ratio really is completely outside of acceptable bounds. Also, total failure to get priorities straight here.
To sum this short and bumpy ride up - I do not feel like wasting more time on a forum that has lost its focus and considers a productive development environment, working search and working moderation to be less important than implementing retarded Facebook buttons, sorry.
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!
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I didn't really want to address this, but I think you're being unfair in your claims.
Search: believe or not, we have over 98% uptime for search. That's pretty impressive considering that there are around 100 searches per second. We do the absolute best we can and understand that search is critical. Remember that you can always use the Google search at the top of the site. That has 100% uptime.
Understaffed moderation: XDA is one of the biggest forums on the planet. We have 100+ mods, all that work as volunteers because they love being a part of the site. We're not perfect, and we're constantly having discussions on how to improve or our processes. Could we have 500 moderators instead of a bit over 100? Sure! But at the point, it becomes difficult to communicate.
Have you considered sphinx search severis? would lighten the load considerably...
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Too tempting to log back in after logging out?
Self contol is an alternative option to a prema-ban or account deletion.
Im new but I think this site is awesome.
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Too tempting to log back in after logging out?
Self contol is an alternative option to a prema-ban or account deletion.
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Not really. Users keep sending me PMs with support questions. It is just confusing them to see me as active member.
admin, kindly proceed and close the account.
MordyT said:
Have you considered sphinx search severis? would lighten the load considerably...
Swyped from my HTC Glacier
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Word on the street is that Sphinx is being considered, and even tested
Well if Svetius doesn't close your account, he can loan me the button so I can
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Not really. Users keep sending me PMs with support questions. It is just confusing them to see me as active member.
admin, kindly proceed and close the account.
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You can disable PM's in your user options.
I don't really understand people like the OP. If you don't like a site and have nothing constructive to add then simply leave. Maybe I'm being harsh but its the truth, xda will live on no matter what
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I don't really understand people like the OP. If you don't like a site and have nothing constructive to add then simply leave. Maybe I'm being harsh but its the truth, xda will live on no matter what
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I think he made it pretty clear. he asked to have is acct closed, stated his reasons and has asked admin to allow other users to take over his threads allowing for continued development.
And if you deny that xda has had problems lately, then you really haven't been doing your job as moderator as the admin himself as admitted they are working on the problem.
This idea came about from a discussion, in the old requests to mods & admins thread, about dealing with new users across this site.
When I say dealing with new users, I mean how you respond to either posts where the user clearly hasn't searched, the user has done something they shouldn't have done etc etc.
Some users will simply report the members post and leave it down to the moderators to deal with. Some will respond with sarcasm/trolling/flaming. Some will simply give the person the correct information and mention nothing about what they've done wrong and others, like me, may feel the need to rant away at some users.
With me, if someone has done something they shouldn't have done, I won't ever report it. I'll only report a post if it's something serious like racism or illegal content. I'll generally give tell the person nicely what it is they've done wrong and what they should've done instead.
Obviously, doing so won't always work and the new member will continue doing wrong. I'll then PM the member and explain it to them fully away from public view.
However, if I come across a situation where a user has done wrong, and after being told so numerous times even by different people, that's when I'll step in and rant at them. My rants are never harsh and can never be mistaken for such. I simply tell them what they've done wrong and what they should've done, but I write it in such a way where it makes it seem angrier and makes the message sink in.
I'm interested to know what others opinions are on this and how you personally deal with such situations.
I already know that if moderators drop by in here, they'll probably say it's best to use the report feature but I'd like to hear everyone's opinions anyway
what i try to do is tell them as nicely as i can (not really that nice, but i don't flame) where they're wrong. i do realize mods are busy and i avoid reporting until i've given the new member at least a warning. i do report immediately when the issue is serious (ie: spamming in dev threads, warez, etc.).
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I try to point out their mistakes. Then I explain (nicely) that xxx shouldn't have done yyyy. It doesn't hurt to be well-mannered. The member usually realizes his/her mistake and (tries to at least) never repeats it, hopefully.
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Great idea for a thread. I saw a very good post by FallenSpartan that really helped explain in the old mod requests thread, but I can't find it, must have been deleted. Anyways, the bottom line is, the person on the other side that computer could be anyone. For all you know, they could barely be able to speak English, or even have a mental disability . People need to be a little more understanding, trolling and flaming will only frustrate people and confuse them even more. A polite but pointed request to search next time and that the information is out there along with a link to it would be ideal in my opinion. The new users might not entirely grasp the concept of what's going on and how to easily search, and that information isn't exactly readily available. I know it is out there, but speaking from personal experience, I didn't go anywhere outside of my device's forum for quite some time after joining, not that I didn't know how to do those things. Point is, while the idea of searching and finding information for yourself is commonplace to you, it may not be to new users, and I don't think the importance of finding your own information is stressed enough for new members. While you may get angry and feel the need to rant and flame, it won't be nearly as effective at changing the way people act compared to a polite and firm request with the info attached, and possibly even what you did to find the information.
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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KidCarter93 said:
@cascabel & nitubhaskar -
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them.
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Actually you are right.. it helps them if we say what wrong they did and also give info what they asked in same post.. but I hope they won't feel that, even if he/she did made a wrong/ mistake they will get the quick info they need without any effort kinda feeling..
About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
About your ranting...
Lol.. no way.. as far as I have seen your posts.. well your patience is pretty high.. ocassionally I have seen you going angry.. otherwise you are kind enough to give info and inform them of their mistakes.. well that's my observation.. excluding your device forum though
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old. So even if noob posts a warez content i never flame or troll him. Yeah, i do wanna give him a scolding but i don't. I'm gonna simply report it. Yes, i do sometimes post a reply or give him a PM, requesting him to remove the content with a link to the rules.
If a user dosen't search :-
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
If someone (racially) discriminates another user, i simply report him/her. Flaming him with sarcastic remarks might earn me a few thanks, (maybe) suppress the guy down, but it still isn't good for two reasons - one, as it's against the rules, two, as it proves that you're not a bit different from the user.
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How I respond depends on a new users thread, if it's to ask something particular then I'll either not reply or provide a link that's related or helps directly, if it's a new thread asking "how to root", how to unlock the boot loader", "how to install this ROM", "what's the best ROM" (there's at least 20+ threads asking that or similar in the Arc section in the last month or two) or asking about something in an existing thread that they could have just asked their question in, then I tend to be a bit more, how shall I say this, sarcastically direct :silly:, which some People take on the chin, and if they get it then I'll try to be more helpful, but you get the odd one or two who take umbrage then want to argue, needless to say I don't help that kind of user.
People joining here should be of a certain aptitude to begin imo and willing to learn, I'm much more inclined to help a user who has shown a bit of initiative but a lot are just sheer lazy and the amount of things that get asked that could be answered in the stickys amazes me.
But then you still get senior members who act like they've never been here before also, so I'm the same with them too. :angel:
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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Your ranting works. That's because you've already told them what they're screwing up multiple times and just need to get it into their heads that they can't keep doing whatever they're doing. Ranting without giving any reasoning or advice isn't so effective.
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I mention what they did wrong and just report it or send a pm to a moderator...Don't like making the situation worse
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Well, I always try to understand the situation of the user, I mean on the SGSII forums,for example, I've recognize some users that always post questions instead of search even if the answer it's on the previous page, to them, I ask nicely to search but also I remember that me or some other user told him yet that please follow the rules and search before of post.
In the case of the total newbie users, mostly, I guide them to the thread, post or forum that they need but also, I mention that the rules are clear and need start to search before.
Sometimes I do the recomendation of put (in the next post that they do) where they search or how, if they do it yet, in that way we can give a better help (maybe it's not searching by the right terms or something like that)
I'm totally hate the flame to an user, when I see a post that could be the probably cause of a flame war I report it ASAP. And also, when I see someone flaming I ask nicely to stop because it's against the rules.
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When I first started, I advised them on the said thread itself, giving as much help as I could. I would wait for a response before PM-ing him/her about what they did and how to avoid getting into more trouble. Along the way, I realised that the more I tried to be nice to them, the more they would just step on me and act as if nothing has happened. The final straw was when this one guy, started hurling abuse at me for pointing out his mistake, vandalised my ROM thread and IRC channel. Soon after more and more hate PM's started to arise. Now I don't bother with wrong do-ers. I find them guilty, I report them. If it get's out of hand, I'll give a sarcastic yet hard hitting post that he/she will never forget. I know it's wrong and some of them will hate me till the rest of their days, but I find monkeys like these only listen to a nice warm infraction instead of kind words. Now I just focus on bug related problems in my forum. Common courtesy is eroding in new users everywhere. Sorry, but this is what more than a year in XDA has made me into . No, I will not change my ways
What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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And it seemed to work, that bump.
On topic:
Simply abide the rules. If you see someone breaking the rules (e.g. posting warez, flaming, spamming, etc) report it, using the "!" button on the post. The report will be picked up by a moderator and will be registered, in case we need to review afterwards. Of course, if it's a minor offence, a PM to a mod is ok too.
But how to deal with new users who just ask alot of questions and don't know our "netiquette"?
Try a calm approach and tell them to use the Search function ALOT.
Just remember one thing and live by it: We all were newbs at one time.
Good to see this discussion, shows people care.
Big multiquote coming in 3, 2, 1....
nitubhaskar said:
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Using common courtesy will go leaps and bounds to remedy the situation. People sometimes do need a not-so-gentle nudging on how things work, but also a simple Please and Thanks can go much further. Otherwise if you flame them for posting something that has been asked just a few pages back, this place can get the mob mentality and all of a sudden, that one comment has turned into 4 pages of dribble that usually has to be cleaned by us and sometimes results in infractions for 1 or more members. Nobody wants that, right?
****The one thing that everyone should do is put on their way-back-hats and remember is when they were first tinkering with their phone and messed something up. Do you remember that Panic Mode your were in? :crying: Palms all sweaty, reading 5-6-7 pages at a time. Thinking that you just bricked your $600usd device. It sucks big time. I've been there many times (long ago )
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About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
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We generally try to leave a message as to why a thread was closed or moved. It isn't really a rule but again more of a common courtesy.
Also, The-Captain That guy is a class act. Nice, friendly and efficient. :good::good::good:
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old.
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se. But Rule #10 does say,
10. Help others if you can
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
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Giving a link is great and I do it all the time. But where does that cross the line of you doing their searching for them. I find if it is obscure enough, i will give a link, but the Department of Redundancy Department questions don't get such treatment, if you know what I mean.
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What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
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I have done this more often than not. A simple picture can change the whole attitude of the thread. But not some stupid meme that has a personal attack or durogotory in any manner. I have one picture of a kid sticking a butter knife into a wall outlet and it say "nOOb" on it. Something as simple as that can change the tone and the OP wil make light of it and figure out where he went wrong. Sometimes not though and I have had it backfire on me a few times as well. But then in my next post, I would gently explain why I posted a picture and then guide them in the right direction. Some people tend to remember the visual, so the next time they want to start a thread, they may in-fact remember my picture and not the 4 pages of flaming they received.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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Now you have an SM and FSM.
Edit::: One thing that I forgot to mention was the shear numbers we have here. At any given time there are between 35 & 50k users online. That's huge. If you Google anything about mobile/tablets, XDA is almost always at the top and at the very least top 5. That is some tough numbers we're dealing with.
That's really a big multi-quote! And quite a big explanation!!
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se.
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I suppose it is under rule #2.5. And also under rule #10, as you stated.
||I'm just a PM away for help||
IF YOU WERE GIVEN A LINK TO THIS THREAD BY ANOTHER MEMBER OF XDA IT'S PROBABLY FOR A GOOD REASON!
PLEASE HEED THE WARNING, TAKE A LITTLE LESSON IN POSTING ETIQUETTE, BEFORE YOU ARE REPORTED TO A MOD, IF THAT HAS NOT ALREADY HAPPENED.
Far too often people post in threads without thinking of the developers feelings and it's becoming a big problem!
Think of it this way!
You just spent countless hours working building your new custom car.
Now your such a nice guy you let people take it for a drive and check it out for FREE!
How would feel if they come back and most LOVE IT and appreciate the work you've done but,,
some say..
"It uses too much gas"
"It's way too slow"
"It hesitates when I tow a tractor trailer"
"I Hate the colors"
If you were the developer sharing your hard work for free and reading comments like that, you would think, Dam What a ^%*&%^*& *&^*&^, why am letting people trash my hard work!?! Heck with this, I don't need this!
THINK A LITTLE BEFORE POSTING!!
In stead of saying
"This ROM sucks the life out of my battery"
Try
"How is everyone's battery life on this? I'm getting 10 hours with 2 hours screen on time. This is my 3rd battery cycle, I'm on WIFI 90% of the time. I installed BetterBattery Stats and it shows xxx. Any recommendations / ideas? Also did A Clean with a full wipe, did not flash and mods / kernels" Even better add a Logcat, you may find in the logcat that X app is checking your location every 2 seconds and shows up 1000 times in the log.
In stead of saying
"This sucks! Every time I open the camera it crashes"
Try
"Is anyone else having this problem? For some reason every time I open the camera app it crashes. I tried redownloading the ROM, double checked the MD5, did a clean install, full wipe, and let it sit for 10 min after 1st boot then rebooted. Attached is the Logcat I grabbed using CatLog from the play store"
Look at that! That way your not assuming that the developer messed up! And you may actually be being helpful by providing a Logcat so he can actually look into the problem.
Making statements without providing information is,, well rude and not helpful to anyone!
And worst of all, it can discourage or drive the Developers away!
If you were smart enough to be able to make your own ROM - Kernel you would not need the Developers help, and could fix it yourself!
Most of us do not have the time and or brains to be a developer!
So PLEASE show some respect to the Developers that are kind enough to share their work with us for FREE!
Hit their Thanks Button often, and consider buying them a Coke or Redbull aka Donate :highfive:
Same basic principal goes for when you reply to someone!
IMO if the question has already been asked and answered, quote the last answer. Or the part of the OP with the answer.
Better yet quote a few of the last times the question was answered and show that you can use the search feature.
To me, if you can show me the question has been answered 3 times already, I feel like a fool with egg on my face and will STFU.
Smart comments and rude answers, even just saying, use search, usually just leads to more useless comments and bickering for all of us to read through!
If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say anything! Just move on
Next time you see someone posting like a jerk, try to provide a nice helpful answer and direct them to this post for a little lesson and consider reporting the post!! See next post for more info!
Please get with the program or expect to be reported and possibly banned for a period!
This includes asking or hinting at an ETA! Don't do it!
On that note here are a few words form Woody about reporting trouble makers
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Use your best judgment. We don't need gestapo type reporting, but you get the idea of what is needed.
It would behoove (yes I said behoove) people to maybe look at how a report is done. My buddy TonyStark had put a thread together a while ago on how to use the Report function. {Guide} Getting a Moderators help. I also have it linked in my signature, as well. It can be intimidating a bit when you hit that button. Hopefully this will help.
One thing that I might add regarding the reluctance to report you posted above. All reports are anonymous. Only people who know the names are us (Mods) and the User who reported it. Not the person who is being reported (unless you, yourself post in the thread "Reported")
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Now at this point, I think that we have strayed from what this thread is trying to accomplish. Posting with Proper Etiquette. Let's turn it back to that, so that when people who are linked back here will understand why. You can always shoot me a PM if you have a question or anything like that.
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And for crying out loud please learn to Logcat! There are apps for that that can make it easy.
Plus in my never to be humble opinion, if you can't logcat, you should not be flashing anything!
Also read this!
And I recommend reading the following from Recognized Contributor TonyStark
So you are tired of being called a noob - I want to shake the noob status
First and most important, read this New User Guides
Q: How do I contact a forum Moderator for -fill in the blank- on a problem with -fill in the blank-
I have been on XDA for years and have always found these steps to be the best. Not only for you but for the process as well. Please remember to be patient. If you do not receive a message (shown in 4) within 5 days, please re-post.
1) In the upper right hand corner OF EVERY POST you will find this.Click on the caution sign.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
and now in 2013 format
2) Please fill the pertinent information into this screen. PLEASE do not make it personal or use colorful language. Just be brief and to the point
3) You need to make a selection in the drop down. PLEASE do not be overzealous in choosing a topic. In 95% of cases you will only need to choose Other - Non-urgent
4) You will receive a message
In most cases this will be followed by a resolution.
Hope this helps​
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A lot of people need this
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Maybe a sticky is needed here.
Jelly419 said:
Praise!
Cool story, bro!
They call me "Jelly" cuz jam don't shake like this!
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A lot of people need this
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Hopefully the people that need it, actually read it!
Help out and stick this thread in your sig, or direct the people who need it here!
I'm beyond tired of seeing good developers leaving or getting pissed off by posts from people who post without thinking 1st!
Seriously, that's some kindergarten level basics...
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Seriously, that's some kindergarten level basics...
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You would think so!
But sadly we have all seen them and way too often.
I think some people just forget themselves sometimes, at least I would like to think not that many, are that rude, all the time.
I agree with what the OP is saying, however Devs also need to keep in mind there are many "not so savvy" Android users who wouldn't know how to run a logcat, even though they may have learned some of the basics of flashing. I think sometimes (and I'm not making excuses) some Devs are a little hot-headed and need to remember that there are always idiots out there who can ruin it for the rest of us.
Easy to just add the offending user to the ignore list.. instead of screwing over the people who are treating the Dev with respect.. just saying..
But yes, I still agree with the OP.
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Maybe a sticky is needed here.
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Not likely BUT this does give me an idea about something a little more (un)official that we could post and stick. I'm going to write something up and pitch it to the team and see what they think and refer them back to this thread.
I like the idea, but it has to be as general and vanilla as possible and cannot be black and white, otherwise it won't work.
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You would think so!
But sadly we have all seen them and way too often.
I think some people just forget themselves sometimes, at least I would like to think not that many, are that rude, all the time.
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You have no idea my man. No idea. You should see some of the stuff we deal with.
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I agree with what the OP is saying, however Devs also need to keep in mind there are many "not so savvy" Android users who wouldn't know how to run a logcat, even though they may have learned some of the basics of flashing. I think sometimes (and I'm not making excuses) some Devs are a little hot-headed and need to remember that there are always idiots out there who can ruin it for the rest of us.
Easy to just add the offending user to the ignore list.. instead of screwing over the people who are treating the Dev with respect.. just saying..
But yes, I still agree with the OP.
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I like everything about this post. Some people need to be handheld just a bit longer so they can take their first steps. It is Pete and Re-Pete that are the problems.
In the old days, it was Logcat or GTFO. Then the stone got ground down a bit, then a bit more and now we are here. We are trying to make things more Developer oriented and to make it so that Devs are more cherished than they are now, but it all stems from how to get Users to realize this. Hopefully some guidelines and better n-etiquette will help to usher us back to those days.
I've known jangst123 for a long time, so I know that he is very passionate about this and wants the threads to be filled with awesome ROMs but also the community at-large to be a great place to get help, cool mods or bleeding edge development. I think that we all really want that, right? So let's make it happen.
Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
Really this falls back on the xda community as a whole, I know I've posted things before that could have been worded in a way that would have better served the user and the community, instead of my own cynicism or ego.. none of us are perfect, that includes the Devs.
The best way I see it, now that I've been around the block. You can't take the internet serious anymore. It's difficult to always convey someones personality over text, without emoticons and "lol's" and ":good:" or ":highfive:"... I'm a prime example of that. I try to say lol, or put a winky face or what have you, but I try and get to the point and tell them its a few pages back... orrr I give them 10 links and tell it 'em took me 5 minutes to do that. I'm no search wizard or anything like that, I just use keywords and then read through things. The users that want things handed to them on a gold platter are a large issue at hand. I would go as far to say as 75% of the questions asked in a dev thread, are in the OP in one way shape or form. I have a q&a thread for Cm10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813456 with 10.1 info (which is almost of use to all 4.2 roms out there)... I have a resource guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088179 Which I'm still ironing things out (should do that today actually, haha) and I have a q&a for Illusion 4.2 rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2106546 which for the time being pertained to AOKP and Vanilla Rootbox for the most part. People have looked and looked over them for the most part and still ask the most redundant questions in the dev threads, and open new threads with stuff that I've covered already. If it's something I haven't covered, I answer them respectfully almost every time, and/or point them to a thread that will help them. This needs to be done more often to stop the unnecessary posts, which turn into bashing threads, which turn into more work for the mods. I agree with the OP, some devs will take things to heart and walk away and we are down more person or team that will help us with our phone "needs" ... Devs and themers and such just have to look at it this way... "You can't please them all"-some wise man... And I think I ranted long enough. LUNCH TIME!!!
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We are doing way better than what was done on the t989 Hercules forums. We should keep it that way. At least til there is a real s4
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mt3g said:
The best way I see it, now that I've been around the block. You can't take the internet serious anymore.
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This pretty much sums up all these, in my opinion, useless threads/posts. In one concise sentence.
Guys, we don't need a thread for common sense. People who lack common sense won't have sense enough to read the thread. In other words, you are preaching to the choir. This solves nothing.
Enforce the current forum rules. Ban, or at the very least, suspend idiots. Need more moderators, we don't have anywhere near the amount we need. Two to three moderators for each device forum. None of this would have happened. Rules aren't enforced, plain and simple. Rules that are not enforced will be ignored. Do you drive the speed limit? No. Why? Because the rule isn't enforced.
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Woody said:
Not likely BUT this does give me an idea about something a little more (un)official that we could post and stick. I'm going to write something up and pitch it to the team and see what they think and refer them back to this thread.
I like the idea, but it has to be as general and vanilla as possible and cannot be black and white, otherwise it won't work.
You have no idea my man. No idea. You should see some of the stuff we deal with.
I like everything about this post. Some people need to be handheld just a bit longer so they can take their first steps. It is Pete and Re-Pete that are the problems.
In the old days, it was Logcat or GTFO. Then the stone got ground down a bit, then a bit more and now we are here. We are trying to make things more Developer oriented and to make it so that Devs are more cherished than they are now, but it all stems from how to get Users to realize this. Hopefully some guidelines and better n-etiquette will help to usher us back to those days.
I've known jangst123 for a long time, so I know that he is very passionate about this and wants the threads to be filled with awesome ROMs but also the community at-large to be a great place to get help, cool mods or bleeding edge development. I think that we all really want that, right? So let's make it happen.
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Logcat or GTFO,, o the good old days!
I would love to see a thumbs up and thumbs down on each and every post.
And if your thumbs down is lower or than thumbs up, you can no longer post in development threads.
This would allow the community to police the threads and force people to think twice before posting.
But that is probably too complicated of a system change.
SO
Would it be possible to keep a ranking of sorts?
Something that checks posts to thanks count.
And you must have at least 1 thank for every 3 posts, to post in in anything other than general. Maybe even include the number of thanks given out in the equation.
Something needs to change.
Repeated questions are completely different than people being rude jerks.
Most of the repeated questions are a bit different than being rude. Repeated questions are probably best answered by quoting the last time it was answered. That way everyone can see it's been answered. And the poster should feel the egg on their face. Or by quoting part of the OP when needed.
I for one am willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know how I can help.
I don't have all that much spare time, I have a business to run, so I try to contribute and encourage developers by donating phones and cash to them. On the occasion I have some spare time and I come here to get away and get my crack flash on.
To see Developers get discouraged by rude posts, drives me crazy!
For now I'm pming offenders and kindly suggesting they read this thread.
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Meh.... The rude and ignorant on tech forums of today are just the newest generation of AOL "me too"ers from yester-year. You couldn't take them seriously either.
I for one am grateful for those that pave the way in new arenas for me.
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ingenious247 said:
Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
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Agreed. I absolutely despise people who post, "LEARN 2 USE SEARCH/GOOGLE" instead of simply providing whatever link or help the person is looking for, especially when it's a simple thing like how to get root.
ingenious247 said:
Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
Really this falls back on the xda community as a whole, I know I've posted things before that could have been worded in a way that would have better served the user and the community, instead of my own cynicism or ego.. none of us are perfect, that includes the Devs.
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Your absolutely correct!
Responding in that way often starts a flame war.
If ya ain't got nothing nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
Quote the last correct answer to the question, or answer the question politely and move on.
Don't stir the pot.
Anything else often leads to 10 or more useless posts to read through.
I for one often don't have the time to read though all the extra crap that gets posted every time someone gets their feelings hurt.
I did not create this tread to address all the issues on XDA.
I created it to have a thread to point to when I come across the poster that needs a lesson in Posting Etiquette.
And hoping in doing so it would not anger the poster but help educate them a little.
So I would appreciate it if we can keep the discussion to, Posting Etiquette and how to nicely respond to those that need a lesson.
I will edit the OP later to include response etiquette.
lol,, just realized in my haste I spelled Etiquette - Ediquette :silly:
unfortunately, stuff like this happens in almost every other device forum across XDA. it's stuff like this that makes us stop wanting to dev, stuff like this can even tear a development Team apart, as it almost did with Team Inferno. those who came from the MyTouch 4G know what i'm talking about. Team Inferno faced many haters, people who just wanted to do everything in their will to destroy a newborn team. it takes a bunch of endurance and encouragement, and i thank all those who supported Team Inferno, those who could see potential in a Team of noobs like us. we all start somewhere, nobody wakes up one day and decides "i'm going to be a dev" and by nightfall pushes out the best ROM/mod/kernel ever seen.
end users need to realize that we developers are not here to serve you. you don't pay us for the stuff we push out. we do it in our own free time, because we want to, we have an interest and a hobby.
to developers: don't get butthurt because of one or a couple of know-it-alls, there are people out there that will try to push you down. if you get pushed down by them, you're the only one hurt, they may even laugh at you. don't fall into their trap! because at the end of the day, you're not developing for others, you're developing because you want to, it's your hobby, and you want to share your work with others.
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read the whole thing you lazy butt.
"Stop biting the hand that feeds you." I agree with the OP 100000%. Devs are intelligent people. They don't need to stoop to bull****.
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saranhai said:
unfortunately, stuff like this happens in almost every other device forum across XDA. it's stuff like this that makes us stop wanting to dev, stuff like this can even tear a development Team apart, as it almost did with Team Inferno. those who came from the MyTouch 4G know what i'm talking about. Team Inferno faced many haters, people who just wanted to do everything in their will to destroy a newborn team. it takes a bunch of endurance and encouragement, and i thank all those who supported Team Inferno, those who could see potential in a Team of noobs like us. we all start somewhere, nobody wakes up one day and decides "i'm going to be a dev" and by nightfall pushes out the best ROM/mod/kernel ever seen.
end users need to realize that we developers are not here to serve you. you don't pay us for the stuff we push out. we do it in our own free time, because we want to, we have an interest and a hobby.
to developers: don't get butthurt because of one or a couple of know-it-alls, there are people out there that will try to push you down. if you get pushed down by them, you're the only one hurt, they may even laugh at you. don't fall into their trap! because at the end of the day, you're not developing for others, you're developing because you want to, it's your hobby, and you want to share your work with others.
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read the whole thing you lazy butt.
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Also, thank you for your work on XDA.
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jangst123 said:
Logcat or GTFO,, o the good old days!
I would love to see a thumbs up and thumbs down on each and every post.
And if your thumbs down is lower or than thumbs up, you can no longer post in development threads.
This would allow the community to police the threads and force people to think twice before posting.
But that is probably too complicated of a system change.
SO
Would it be possible to keep a ranking of sorts?
Something that checks posts to thanks count.
And you must have at least 1 thank for every 3 posts, to post in in anything other than general. Maybe even include the number of thanks given out in the equation.
Something needs to change.
Repeated questions are completely different than people being rude jerks.
Most of the repeated questions are a bit different than being rude. Repeated questions are probably best answered by quoting the last time it was answered. That way everyone can see it's been answered. And the poster should feel the egg on their face. Or by quoting part of the OP when needed.
I for one am willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know how I can help.
I don't have all that much spare time, I have a business to run, so I try to contribute and encourage developers by donating phones and cash to them. On the occasion I have some spare time and I come here to get away and get my crack flash on.
To see Developers get discouraged by rude posts, drives me crazy!
For now I'm pming offenders and kindly suggesting they read this thread.
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+1 Logcat or GTFO days! Those were the days!
Adding a link to my sig! Hopefully someone will read it, but I doubt the jerks that cause the problems will take the time to read it. They already know it all.
Now that I think about it, I don't post that often to begin with, so i doubt anyone will see mys sig, but i will give it a try.
I like the,, BAM Hammer idea, lol
It would be great if we could hit the thumbs down on their post and somehow vote them off the island!
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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I'm probably one of those guys that sometimes gives snarky responses. I really am trying to be nice and help the person find what they are looking for. That's 90% of the reason I post on here: I remember what it's like to not know much and to come to this community with very little knowledge.
That being said, I also hope people would follow the rules when posting, one of which is to search before starting a thread. I completely understand the complaints of people saying that there's too many threads on this site and it's difficult to find what you're looking for with search, but making a thread that's identical to an existing one is compounding the problem.
The way I try to help out with the problem is to take the time to write out a full response (not just give a link) and to (hopefully gently) point out that this topic has been covered and to look at the correct thread. I know Cnexus and I have been pretty good about this, although sometimes the deluge of MB1 update threads do make me a little short-tempered, and for that, I apologize.
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You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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otterboxfan4l said:
You fine man I understand the rules and read them so I know personally to search before asking and when posting make sure its in the right section.... as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
But yes it is annoying when people ask / post same stuff that's been posted already 400 times before them again people should just be nice " hey man that question / concern / opinion has been posted already please search google and forums thank you "
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I know that the user is traditionally at fault (the old IT adage of PBMAC - the Problem Between Monitor and Chair), but I also think it's partially the fault of the xda app on the phone. The search function on there is so woefully inept that I have only used it once or twice (and have never found what I was looking for). On the other hand, when creating a thread on the PC, the website even gives you a list of similar threads that might help you out. There are many times where I've been creating a thread and when I put in the title, a half dozen similar threads popped up with the exact answer I was looking for. I know coding this into the android app would be difficult (if not impossible), but it must be noted that almost all of the MB1 update threads had the "sent from the XDA app..." tag at the bottom. I still tell them to search before posting, but I honestly can't blame them because of the apps search function's shortcomings.
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To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
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I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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CrfEpic4g said:
I don't care about noob questions. what make me mad is when there is 5 "what is the best rom" threads on the first page. Stuff that you could easily flip through a couple pages and find an answer to is what angers me.
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I agree. I hate that question just for the fact what I like you may not like. Just take a hand full of roms and test them out. Lol
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Dude..........
otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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kennyglass123 said:
Hi
To respond to the first part about allowing abuse...we don't. But bear in mind we have 5 milllion users, 50000 new posts a day and moderators that are constantly moving questions from the wrong section, breaking up childish nerd fights, responding to reported posts, investigating kang issues, and trying to have a job, family and life. We are not reading every post that enters XDA. We respond to reports by users. And every mod action requires several minutes of "paperwork" to document what was done.
Now to the post about searching, yup app search stinks, however if you switch to browser view there are more search options available as well as googling and adding XDA in the search parameter. The phone is quite large so searching through browser view or just with google is a lot easier than in days past.
In most cases like with football, the person throwing the last punch draws the penalty. It takes 2 to argue but just one is needed to keep it going.
Thanks
Friendly Neighborhood Moderator
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Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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No, its a volunteer system basically :beer:
jpgranger said:
If I may, I think we are all big boys and girls on this website. I would never take anything said here offensively. I will forget about all of you as soon as I log off.
The only thing I find aggravating here or ANY forum is the word "respect". Much respect......have respect......yo bro respect to this guy or that guy! What freakin ever! We aren't 1% bikers here. So why are we throwing that word in every sentence. We are all men amongst men(or women). Respect is a given. Let's quit with the manzy panzy complaints and start tweaking our phones to the fullest.
Just my two cents.......do I need a paypal for that? LMAO!]
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You say that, but you'd be surprised at some of the things I see posted here every day
And its difficult NOT to take offense when you find your mental capacity, ability to do something, or your integrity insulted. And the majority of the time, people will attack one of above
Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.
Oh forgot about the most important perk of being a mod
tazfanatic said:
The only payment they get is that lovely thanks button at the bottom of every post.
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This^
Joe0113 said:
Do you mods get paid by XDA or something? Lol I always wondered that...
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Bwahahaha! Thanks for that laugh!
No. All volunteer because we care about the site and helping others.
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What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...
There is a saying you can led a horse to water but you can't force them to drink. But if can shoot the f*cker if he is too stubborn
I know sometimes when I was new to this forum (i am not a developer), I would get irritated when posting a question and you would see a lot of "views" but no replies/posts with any help. But you have to realize (as I did), as smart as these guys are, sometimes, nobody knows the answer to your question! So posting "crickets crickets" or something else snarky to that effect won't help you get an answer either. Most people are nice enough to help and will either post a link that you may have overlooked, or a real answer (or at least acknowledge your existence)...so in that case just be patient for an answer. Alot of the times when you google search, maybe you did not type in just the right terms and didn't get the link you were looking for.
otterboxfan4l said:
Man I like this forum but don't at the same time.. I love the fact there's so much stuff on here that's so helpful to everyone but at the same time the people on here are 50/50 meaning about 50% you are nice and do realize a beginner has to start somewhere and learn as they go and are willing to help as much as possible you also realize you were once there yourselfs mean while there's the other 50% forget they where beginners and noobs at one point and still think that everyone shouldn't ask questions and automatically think you know the answer as well as give rude and smart butt answers or links... uncalled for is about the best way to describe those answers its amazing that the admin allow these people to give rude and uncalled for comments but when someone responds with a rude or smart butt comment that person either gets a warning or banned and the other person gets nothing kind of interesting to me .... everyone should be treated fairly and evenly .. but had to say something from a lot of posts I've been reading
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Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.
LordLugard said:
Ok I'm going to be the other "other" 50% whose pet peeves is when people author forum posts with little to no punctuation, commas, apostrophes, structure, periods, capitalization, etc.
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Lol i thought that was just me
otterboxfan4l said:
as far as posting links example I was referring to about smart butt links is the google one I've notice is when you click on link takes you to google it automatically writes in the question the person would ask then at bottom it would say " now was that so hard " kinda funny but smart butt to I'm its a simple question that person could of easily just said hey man look please go read the forum rules and make sure you post in the right section simple and nicely said you know
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So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
Ascertion said:
What's frustrating is all of these rule quoters that do nothing but add to the spam. Just answer the question then point them in the right direction or just ignore the post...
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If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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styles420 said:
So it bothers you that they held your hand instead of spoon feeding you the answer? Talk about first world problems... If they were really being anal about the rules then that link would take you to www.google.com and you'd be on your own for the search terms - be grateful that they held your hand as much as they did
If we just answer the question, we encourage further infractions... It would be kind of like banks taking a policy of giving money to anyone who threatens to rob the bank - we would have more robbers, not less...
Ignoring them almost inevitably leads to more noise from them, not less, so that won't fix their broken understanding of the rules...
But if we add to that spam now, there is a chance that someday, maybe it will end... It isn't likely, but I would rather have the rules on my side
I don't enable people to hide behind excuses - every search on the Internet isn't broken, they just require a little effort (almost as much effort as creating a new post, lol)
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How about just showing people how well searching works and provide them proof of it's efficiency by linking them to your search results. This both; enlightens the user of search functionality, while also assisting them with their question.