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Z2 Plus overall usability review with custom roms and bugs, battery life, heating etc

Hi Z2 plus users.
After lot of analysis and research, I finally ordered Lenovo Z2 plus today. Got a great deal.
8k INR / approx 125 USD
I have the option of getting Redmi Note 4 as well at approx 150 USD / 10k
I have gone through lot of videos on youtube with different custom rom reviews of Z2 plus, pros, cons etc.
My main concerns are:
- Battery Life
- Heating issue
- Overall usability without digging into custom rom installations and updates very frequently. I will install custom rom but would like to use it as daily driver for few months at least before I look for new updates etc. (Time is the issue - Don't get much of it these days to do all the research and experiments )
With custom roms like AICP, Jaguar - how is the battery life in terms of SOT?
How is the heating issue with custom roms which this phone is infamous for?
I saw a review from Indian tech reviewer on youtube suggesting Jaguar R14 is very stable and good rom for this. But I see some complains and users posting different issues in Jaguar rom thread.
Kindly suggest, if it will be good to go for this phone now (after 1.5 yrs of it's launch)?
Can I expect to use it as daily driver without any significant issues for next 2-3 years with custom roms?
At present which custom rom will you suggest with regards to Battery life and heating issue resolution?

some inputs here will he really helpful

saurav_k said:
some inputs here will he really helpful
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Try aex/paranoid/citrus and see what suits you best!

rohanvartak said:
Try aex/paranoid/citrus and see what suits you best!
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I do not have the device yet and that is my dilemma whether to accept it or return it.
Does these roms also have overheating issues?
How is the battery life on these?

CitrusCAF 3.5 by miju12 seems very stable(dont flash custom kernel unless you know what you are doing) and have favourable review from the users.
and Lenovo z2 is better choice anyway

looks okay
Got mine today as well. Same deal as the OP (around $120). First thing done was an upgrade to Nougat. Sept 2016 manufacturing and there was still 30% charge left . Device did heat up during upgrade as it was on charge. Haven't observed any major heating since. I have upgraded (or downgraded) from a oneplus 2 so my criteria of heating may be somewhat biased. A 5 inch display does seem smallish though.
Geekbench 4 was 1720, 3999 which is par for SD820. So no throttling etc.
Just wondering what is so broken about stock ROM ? What's not going well with everyone on ZUI ? I did tweak the DPI to my liking - other than that ROM feels pretty much stockish android. I mean I have heard so much hate about stock ROM for this device?
Edited - Ok I am starting to see oddities. 1. Double notifications (any fixes?)
And the usual follow up questions -
- Does the U touch specialization / gestures (swiping etc) work on the custom roms for this device ? Edited - Yes I guess.
- Would unlocking bootloader reset the device ? If yes, might as well do it before setting up apps etc. Edited - Yes it would like any other device.

Just wondering what is so broken about stock ROM ? What's not going well with everyone on ZUI ? I did tweak the DPI to my liking - other than that ROM feels pretty much stockish android. I mean I have heard so much hate about stock ROM for this device?
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I have been using Rooted ZUI (I believe that’s what the stock rom is called) for a few weeks now (Xposed now, but that’s been just a few days). At first I thought I would keep it stock rooted and get all the things I need with Xposed, but the Notification drawer and Lock screen is getting on my nerves. All notifications are ICS Style, i.e. they are not expandable and they have no quick action (except USB connection to PC which lets u choose cam/file mode). Lock screen has this weird image in the middle which just sits there doing nothing. Notifications doesn't get displayed in lockscreen (weirdly I am getting 1 calendar notification there, but nothing else). I tried enabling lockscreen notification for a lot of apps, but it seems to just allow calendar and nothing else.
The U-touch is awesome BTW, but wont let me start Google Assistant voice through it (I like being able to set alarms through it)

SOT and battery life on Pie 9.0?

Hey guys,
I have just received my new A2 Lite (4gb 64gb) with Oreo.
Is the 9.0 Pie upgrade worth it?
What kind of SOT are you guys getting and how's the overall battery life?
Smoother/faster or worse?
Any annoying bugs that haven't been sorted out yet or something that would hold you back from upgrading?
Thanks!

I think oreo is better on drain.
Pie has faster animations.
I recommend you should wait january update for pie. We are on 5 december security patch.
I haven't see any annoying bug yet.
If you upgrade to pie an hard reset would be good for daily use and speed(after updrading).

Captainbligh said:
Hey guys,
I have just received my new A2 Lite (4gb 64gb) with Oreo.
Is the 9.0 Pie upgrade worth it?
What kind of SOT are you guys getting and how's the overall battery life?
Smoother/faster or worse?
Any annoying bugs that haven't been sorted out yet or something that would hold you back from upgrading?
Thanks!
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I noticed no bugs either, but some things are annoying, for example there are network indicator arrows on statusbar and it keeps showing and hiding itself. When you have DND enabled, it shows a dot then shows the DND icon. It's flipping annoying if you ask me. Other than that it seems fine but be aware you can't use a 3rd party launcher properly with Pie because of the new dock. It looks ugly and cuts the animation if you install another launcher. So far that's all my issues with Pie. Some people report that Pie has worse battery life, but I think it has to do with AI optimizations and it gets better with usage. Tried and tested. If the first two problems I wrote about won't disturb you, go ahead and install it. ALSO Pie doesn't have rounded corners on notifications like it does on Pixel devices. Which was a huge deal-breaker for me at first, but then I got used to it. Cheers!
EDIT: Overall Pie seems smoother because of the new animations and SOT depends on usage, my record was about 8,5 hours sot but again it depends on your usage, technically Pie is supposed give you better battery life. When you upgrade to Pie, you can downgrade however you will face SIM card issues etc.

marstonpear said:
I noticed no bugs either, but some things are annoying, for example there are network indicator arrows on statusbar and it keeps showing and hiding itself. When you have DND enabled, it shows a dot then shows the DND icon. It's flipping annoying if you ask me. Other than that it seems fine but be aware you can't use a 3rd party launcher properly with Pie because of the new dock. It looks ugly and cuts the animation if you install another launcher. So far that's all my issues with Pie. Some people report that Pie has worse battery life, but I think it has to do with AI optimizations and it gets better with usage. Tried and tested. If the first two problems I wrote about won't disturb you, go ahead and install it. ALSO Pie doesn't have rounded corners on notifications like it does on Pixel devices. Which was a huge deal-breaker for me at first, but then I got used to it. Cheers!
EDIT: Overall Pie seems smoother because of the new animations and SOT depends on usage, my record was about 8,5 hours sot but again it depends on your usage, technically Pie is supposed give you better battery life. When you upgrade to Pie, you can downgrade however you will face SIM card issues etc.
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Alright! thanks! But I guess it doesn't have any significant good changes versus the 8.0 other than visual changes, and or pretty much things that we won't notice.
A black theme would be good to have, and maybe the possibility to add the Gcam APK with that night mode. (apparently not working well on Pie?)
Thanks again for your long reply.

Captainbligh said:
Alright! thanks! But I guess it doesn't have any significant good changes versus the 8.0 other than visual changes, and or pretty much things that we won't notice.
A black theme would be good to have, and maybe the possibility to add the Gcam APK with that night mode. (apparently not working well on Pie?)
Thanks again for your long reply.
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Black theme is already present on android 8 but you need to use a dark wallpaper, it's always on automatic. On Pie you can set it to dark mode always, but the accent colors are teal and some people don't like them. Dark mode only applies to phone, messaging and quick settings. Gcam apk found in themes and apps works fine on Pie, but ones I tried with Night Shot have issues, although you can use Night Shot you can't use Portrait etc. which makes it unusable so I use the old version, which gets the job done.

I have 10.5 or 11.5 SOT on pie .. sorry for my bad english

I have been on Pie basically since it was released in Indonesia (vpn enforced update), and, for me, the only lowlights are the hidden notifications (as mentioned above) and sligthy worse SOT. On the other hand, I really grew to like the launcher gestures, especially the switch between the last 2 used apps. I do not even mind the always present google search bar, which I mostly use to find and launch applications, rather then swiping up for the app list. The fingerprint reader gesture is a nice addition too (although I preferred the side swipe introduced on pre-December patch version). It really depends on what is important for you. I am enjoying it and would not go back.

Remaining Android Pie 9.0 issues on Pixel 2 XL?

I've been on the fence about upgrading to my main 2 XL (O 8.1) to Pie mainly to get Night Sight -- so appreciate hearing any main issues on Pie that haven't been addressed/patched yet.
Only stayed on 8.1 this long because it's been remarkably rock solid for me on everything. I've read the various Bluetooth, connectivity, battery life, and other issues reported for months after Pie was released. So I've been pretty lukewarm on Pie other than missing out on Night Sight.
It sounds like the BT "disable absolute volume" issue in Pie was fixed via an update just several months ago, so I'm assuming that eliminated one big problem. (I use this with a bunch of BT speakers and headsets so it was a dealbreaker until fixed.) Appreciate it if someone can confirm just to be sure. As much as I really want Night Sight, it's not worth losing battery life or reliable connectivity to get it -- those come first in my book. (I tried sideloading the earlier adapted camera apk with early Night Sight but it won't install on 8.1 -- I surmised it requires 9.0.)
Sure, I could wait for Q, but for my usage, I prefer updating to mature, stable releases whenever possible for my daily driver phone.
So how is Pie doing today on the Pixel 2 XL? Any remaining issues?

Actually, I didn't face any issues except RAM management, I mean this is the same with Pixel3 series. To deal with this, I use ZRAM mechanism to solve, just flash a custom kernel and download EX kernel manager or some tweak tools and then enable and expand the ZRAM to 1024M. The battery life is amazing that SOT could reach 8 hrs as common sense. Night sight has been a default feature in the stock camera when you upgrade to the latest version, also, you can use custom Gcam if you like, which contains more new features such as long exposure, etc. Hope you can be happy with your device.

T-888 said:
I've been on the fence about upgrading to my main 2 XL (O 8.1) to Pie mainly to get Night Sight -- so appreciate hearing any main issues on Pie that haven't been addressed/patched yet.
Only stayed on 8.1 this long because it's been remarkably rock solid for me on everything. I've read the various Bluetooth, connectivity, battery life, and other issues reported for months after Pie was released. So I've been pretty lukewarm on Pie other than missing out on Night Sight.
It sounds like the BT "disable absolute volume" issue in Pie was fixed via an update just several months ago, so I'm assuming that eliminated one big problem. (I use this with a bunch of BT speakers and headsets so it was a dealbreaker until fixed.) Appreciate it if someone can confirm just to be sure. As much as I really want Night Sight, it's not worth losing battery life or reliable connectivity to get it -- those come first in my book. (I tried sideloading the earlier adapted camera apk with early Night Sight but it won't install on 8.1 -- I surmised it requires 9.0.)
Sure, I could wait for Q, but for my usage, I prefer updating to mature, stable releases whenever possible for my daily driver phone.
So how is Pie doing today on the Pixel 2 XL? Any remaining issues?
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Out of curiosity, what is this "disable absolute volume" feature that you speak of?

Sentheb3ast said:
Out of curiosity, what is this "disable absolute volume" feature that you speak of?
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[Hmmm, just tried posting this from my phone browser and it didn't appear here. So, let me try this again -- might be a near-duplicate posting, but I added more here.]
Here's my perspective on "Disable Absolute Volume" (DAV), and why it's important:
It's buried under the "Developer options" under "System" settings in Oreo once you enable the Developer options. Essentially DAV gives you finer control over the volume steps for Bluetooth-connected audio devices. Think Bluetooth speakers, headphones, hands-free headsets, and your car.
For instance, without DAV enabled, the volume might jump up or down too much (sometimes drastically) or nowhere near enough with each press of your phone's volume keys. So it makes it really hard or sometimes impossible to find the sweet spot for volume control from your phone. IIRC, without DAV enabled, my music volume to my various BT speakers from my Pixel 2XL was far too low, with only the last couple of volume steps jumping it way up loud -- nothing moderate in the middle. And my BT speaker was sometimes in another room from the phone, so you can guess how frustrating that was.
With DAV enabled, you get more moderate/finer steps in volume from the phone, like we used to have in earlier Android versions. In other words, we have to turn off absolute volume control by enabling DAV to get back to where we were. I guess that's called progress these days. There were a small number of earlier reports that Pie 9.0 broke DAV, but seem to recall seeing just a few users say it was fixed via a monthly update in late 2018 (Dec?). So I'm looking for confirmation here. IIRC, Google wasn't even acknowledging it as an issue for months on their support forums.
I listen to so much music from my phone via BT (near-daily) and use a hands-free headset for calls, that as much as I REALLY want Night Sight for the camera, it's not worth it to me if I lose DAV or have additional wireless connectivity issues or other deal-breakers.
So that's why I posted my original query above. I'm wondering if it's worth upgrading to 9.0 now vs. holding pat with Oreo 8.1 (but no security updates sucks) vs. waiting for Q (and its bugs as a new release). The fact that Pie isn't getting a 9.1 update isn't comforting either. Sure, Google can push some updates via the monthly patches, but it tells me that they're putting their dev resources mainly into Q instead.
Hope this helps, and I'd appreciate any responses that could help me make a more informed decision either way -- as this is my main phone.

jayxiao171735 said:
Actually, I didn't face any issues except RAM management, I mean this is the same with Pixel3 series. To deal with this, I use ZRAM mechanism to solve, just flash a custom kernel and download EX kernel manager or some tweak tools and then enable and expand the ZRAM to 1024M. The battery life is amazing that SOT could reach 8 hrs as common sense. Night sight has been a default feature in the stock camera when you upgrade to the latest version, also, you can use custom Gcam if you like, which contains more new features such as long exposure, etc. Hope you can be happy with your device.
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Thanks jayxiao171735. I'm not rooting or installing custom kernels, so this one is stock Android. Appreciate your other comments.
So are you saying that RAM management is worse on Pixel 2 XL with stock Pie just like the Pixel 3's issues in this regard (closing other apps more quickly, etc.)? I do stream music in the background a lot -- been hearing how a number of users have reported Spotify closing on the P3 when you do something else RAM-intensive like open the camera app. (I don't use that service, but guessing it'll be similar for other background streaming apps.)
I'm starting to wonder if I should just skip Pie and wait for Q since I've waited this long already. Do we keep the onscreen buttons as an option in Q? Not having tried the gestures in Pie, for the moment I really like having the buttons. As long as we keep them as an option either way, I'm good with that.
Other than missing out on Night Sight, pretty much everything has been rock solid on my Pixel 2 XL on 8.1. It's been hands-down the best phone I've owned to date. Snappy, reliable, great battery life, awesome camera even without NS, and no bloatware!
Got it as a free carrier warranty replacement for an older phone past its prime, so I'm not complaining at all. I'm just trying maximize my enjoyment. It's great as-is, but as an amateur photographer, I feel like I'm missing out on Night Sight on occasion. But it's not worth it to me to take on other more substantial issues, annoyances, etc. to get it. So that's why I'm trying to find out what's in store if I upgrade to Pie currently. Typically late OS releases tend to be the most stable and fixed, but not always.
Thanks.

T-888 said:
Thanks jayxiao171735. I'm not rooting or installing custom kernels, so this one is stock Android. Appreciate your other comments.
So are you saying that RAM management is worse on Pixel 2 XL with stock Pie just like the Pixel 3's issues in this regard (closing other apps more quickly, etc.)? I do stream music in the background a lot -- been hearing how a number of users have reported Spotify closing on the P3 when you do something else RAM-intensive like open the camera app. (I don't use that service, but guessing it'll be similar for other background streaming apps.)
I'm starting to wonder if I should just skip Pie and wait for Q since I've waited this long already. Do we keep the onscreen buttons as an option in Q? Not having tried the gestures in Pie, for the moment I really like having the buttons. As long as we keep them as an option either way, I'm good with that.
Other than missing out on Night Sight, pretty much everything has been rock solid on my Pixel 2 XL on 8.1. It's been hands-down the best phone I've owned to date. Snappy, reliable, great battery life, awesome camera even without NS, and no bloatware!
Got it as a free carrier warranty replacement for an older phone past its prime, so I'm not complaining at all. I'm just trying maximize my enjoyment. It's great as-is, but as an amateur photographer, I feel like I'm missing out on Night Sight on occasion. But it's not worth it to me to take on other more substantial issues, annoyances, etc. to get it. So that's why I'm trying to find out what's in store if I upgrade to Pie currently. Typically late OS releases tend to be the most stable and fixed, but not always.
Thanks.
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First, I think keeping on Oero is not bad, Pie is pretty good, since I have used Oero version for a long time, I cannot say they are completely different. Although Pie has a better UI design and system animation, it doesn't interfere with your casual usage. Don't try Q now, it is far more stable and reliable, also I feel it is really laggy compared to Pie. As you said, stay on Oero might just miss the night sight camera feature, but you can still take brilliant pics on daytime. If you like to take pics of the night scene, Huawei P30 series might be more suitable for you. Apart from that, I didn't face any issue of RAM management on Oero like Pie. Overall, I do believe you can stay on Oero if you like. By the way, I like taking photos same as you, my INS is freman004, we can follow each other. Thanks.

New OP7T owner, but I feel OOS very strange, can you help me to start?

Hi, I am a new owner of OnePlus 7T, I bought it used yesterday, and it runs Oos 11.0.1.1HD85BA
I'm pretty happy with it although I've noticed some overheating when playing games (just 10 minutes of geshin impact or dead cells), when scrolling tiktok or yt.
In general with average use, with about 5/10 minutes of gaming at most, the battery reaches 15/20% in the evening. I think for an used phone it's good? Or for OP standard is not so good?
Another bug I've noticed is the inability to launch the task manager at times, some inaccuracies in gesture handling, that is pretty imprecise, also I've notice that sometimes notification when the screen is off are not so precise. So I thought:
Do you guys think it's better to go back to Android 10? (if possible, i've read that most of OP user loves OOS10 more than 11) Or is it better to wait for more hotfixes for 11?
I do not know the oneplus world so I rely on you, I've already installed all my apps and backup from my old phone, and If I have to format I won't continue to organize my things.
Just one things: if you have some optimization tips, or something to do when you first have the phone, please tell me... I don't even own a AMOLED display before and I've read that it could become green!!!! What can I do to avoid this problem?
Thank you all in advance

Reset all data

If above does not fix then unlock bootloader, root, install Dora kernel latest, sdcardfs version

Question Are apps like Naptime and Servicely relevant anymore in Android 12?

Some people are still arguing about this purely from anecdotal experiences.

That's a very good question and now I want to find this out as well... I've installed Gsam Battery Monitor, Greenify, Servicely and Naptime.
I'm on Xiaomi.eu Custom ROM (Stable). I used to have better battery life (especially on Standby!) when I was still on an AOSP-based Custom ROM (ArrowOS). I have a feeling that the MIUI Always-On-Display causes Android Doze to not activate and that my device is essentially awake the whole time. I'm not sure about this observation, but Settings > Battery > Sort by "Details" tells me that my device is on. The whole time...
I've unrestricted the Battery monitoring apps I've installed, I'll leave AOD enabled, and see for another night if it is actually preventing my phone from going into Doze Sleep. Next night I'll disable AOD, and the night after that I'll enable Extreme Doze-Mode in Naptime and see the behaviour then.
Rant about Xiaomi LOL:
One thing I know for sure is that MIUI is so horribly coded. I don't need to be an OS developer to know this, you can just feel how dirty their custom implementations are. Ranging from their AOD, their Navbar/Gesture Controls, to the Adaptive Refresh rate.
It's like Xiaomi is trying to make the software deliberately feel cheap, because otherwise their phones would be too good, because their hardware is really good for the price. You can't just make a Poco F3 300€. The hardware is insanely good, but the Stock ROM is crap.

cyanGalaxy said:
I've installed Gsam Battery Monitor, Greenify, Servicely and Naptime.
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I have stop using Greenify (it has not updated for 2 years) and lately have also replaced Naptime and Gsam/AccuBattery for BatteryGuru which combined both the main features (battery monitoring and aggressive Doze function).
I'm on ArrowOS 12.1 now, it seems Android11 gave me the best battery life, A12 was horrible and A12L is bearable.
I think it's time I stop worrying about battery and just replace the damn thing every 3 years lol.

mocmocmoc said:
I have stop using Greenify (it has not updated for 2 years) and lately have also replaced Naptime and Gsam/AccuBattery for BatteryGuru which combined both the main features (battery monitoring and aggressive Doze function).
I'm on ArrowOS 12.1 now, it seems Android11 gave me the best battery life, A12 was horrible and A12L is bearable.
I think it's time I stop worrying about battery and just replace the damn thing every 3 years lol.
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I don't think Battery Life is related to the Android Version you're using, but more which brand's ROM you use. For example Samsungs OneUI seems more trustable than MIUI in terms of Reliability.
But you're likely best served on Clean Vanilla Android, in terms of Battery Life at least.
But also make sure to use a trusted and genuine AOSP ROM. Not one of those, where the Main Dev can't write proper English and uses some obscure Custom Kernel or whatever.. Use one that's known and popular.
I did figure out that MIUI's Always-On-Display kept the CPU awake at all times. I could see it in Settings > Battery, and changing "Ranking" to "Details".
I don't know if that's normal for AOD or if it's MIUI's implementation of AOD, but my god.. AOD shouldn't drain that much. But now my battery life is normal again. ^^

cyanGalaxy said:
I don't think Battery Life is related to the Android Version you're using, but more which brand's ROM you use. For example Samsungs OneUI seems more trustable than MIUI in terms of Reliability.
But you're likely best served on Clean Vanilla Android, in terms of Battery Life at least.
But also make sure to use a trusted and genuine AOSP ROM. Not one of those, where the Main Dev can't write proper English and uses some obscure Custom Kernel or whatever.. Use one that's known and popular.
I did figure out that MIUI's Always-On-Display kept the CPU awake at all times. I could see it in Settings > Battery, and changing "Ranking" to "Details".
I don't know if that's normal for AOD or if it's MIUI's implementation of AOD, but my god.. AOD shouldn't drain that much. But now my battery life is normal again. ^^
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For all practical purposes, the best/definitive experience of Android is obtained on a Samsung device nowadays. So much so that Google released certain new features in some of their apps on Samsung devices ONLY to begin with, not even their own Pixel devices. And Pixel software experience is terrible. And Samsung has innovated so many new features that Google slowly incorporates into stock Android. Samsung Dex is still unparalleled. I personally don't like some aspects of Samsung UI. The squircle icons, the excessively round UI elements with large paddings.. Sadly, Google seems to have incorporated some of this into Android 12's Material You styling. Android 12 looks more like a Samsung One UI skin. That was my FIRST impression when I played around with Material You, i.e. how much it reminded me of Samsung's style.
I agree that Xiaomi's MIUI has a load of flaws in them. The latest is their custom per-app dark mode override has been broken since they released MIUI 13 and before that you had to do some funky things to make it show the list of apps. They never allowed us to see notification history for some strange reason. These are two issues I can think off right away. But otherwise I feel that the software is pretty decent and I had no major issues with it and the battery life with Stock ROM is quite good. I personally don't understand the vehement negativity towards MIUI. Perhaps in the past it was attrocious, but now it is decent. Just like Samsung's One UI. Remember the awful TouchWiz days!? I still have an old tablet with Samsung's touch wiz on it! Bottom line, MIUI is nothing exemplary, but definitely usable and fine, with some minor issues.
In fact, I do like some of the things in MIUI versus stock. I like the fact that the Settings button is immediately visible in the notification shade (like it USED to be on Stock Android) rather than having to swipe again to reveal the quick toggles. I do like some of their built in apps, like the Clock, Calculator (which is very feature rich) and Compass app. So, overall not too shaby.
But I ranted a lot in this thread and none of this is relevant for this topic! So back to relevance...
I do use GSam battery monitor and after a lot of usage I feel like my battery life on Stock MIUI is similar to Arrow OS. I used Arrow OS 11, I used MIUI 12 and 13 and the battery life on all of them was very similar. Arrow OS 11 had some weird bugs with incoming phone call sound and Bluetooth when using Navigation. But Stock MIUI has no such issues. I've slowly decided to stop paying close attention to battery life as it is mostly very good for my usage.

litetaker said:
For all practical purposes, the best/definitive experience of Android is obtained on a Samsung device nowadays. So much so that Google released certain new features in some of their apps on Samsung devices ONLY to begin with, not even their own Pixel devices. And Pixel software experience is terrible. And Samsung has innovated so many new features that Google slowly incorporates into stock Android. Samsung Dex is still unparalleled. I personally don't like some aspects of Samsung UI. The squircle icons, the excessively round UI elements with large paddings.. Sadly, Google seems to have incorporated some of this into Android 12's Material You styling. Android 12 looks more like a Samsung One UI skin. That was my FIRST impression when I played around with Material You, i.e. how much it reminded me of Samsung's style.
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For me the hate for MIUI stems from all the little things.
Notification History & Log being hidden (Can be accessed through an Activity Launcher),
Holding a notification and clicking "More" doesn't bring to you to the specific notification channel,
No Gestures on 3rd Party Launchers,
Recents-Animations broken on 3rd Party Launchers,
Dolby Atmos Sound effect doesn't apply to the first volume step.
Touch Sounds are way too loud, regardless of users volume,
For Google Clock to work properly, you need to disable MIUI Battery Saver,
MIUI Boot Sound is way too loud, also regardless of users volume,
Annoying additional restrictions/permission-manager which cannot be turned off anymore,
Fullscreen Pop-Up with user-unfriendly 10 second timer when trying to change sensitive permissions,
Adaptive Refresh Rate only activating when Screen-brightness is >80%, and only after 2 second delay,
YouTube, Games etc are forced to 60 Hz,
MIUI Camera doesn't respect Default-Gallery setting and always uses MIUI Gallery,
Default Camera cannot be changed,
Monet Colours cannot be customised,
Almost all apps used to get forcibly themed dark (even when the app already had Dark Mode), and you had to individually disable it for all apps. This made text from some apps unreadable.
I do like a few changes Xiaomi has done to Android with MIUI, like bringing back down the Brightness-bar (retarded change from Google), Custom Fonts, the really cool Live Wallpapers, its Dolby Atmos and much more...
I also do like many of their apps like Mi Fitness and the Calc...
But all the little issues give me micro-aggression. It's not a 100% reliable OS in my opinion and I'm still a tiny bit concerned about its Privacy & Tracking.. it's still a chinese company and China is ruled by CCP. The chinese Gov't can control their Tech companies.
Samsungs OneUI does indeed seem like a good and stable experience. But I'm also not a fan of goofy rounded corners and padding.
I bought my Galaxy Note 8 when TouchWiz was still a thing. Then a System update came and upgraded me to OneUI 1.0 and I kinda didn't like it all that much. TouchWiz looked a bit more professional to me, but that's just personal preference.
I'm more into Edgy than Curvy ;D

Yes, Naptime still makes quite a difference with its agressive dove settings and disabling sensors.
Even with how optimized Android 12 is you cannot escape bad programmed third party apps, so use something like IceBox to freeze not often used apps too

cyanGalaxy said:
For me the hate for MIUI stems from all the little things.
Notification History & Log being hidden (Can be accessed through an Activity Launcher),
Holding a notification and clicking "More" doesn't bring to you to the specific notification channel,
No Gestures on 3rd Party Launchers,
Recents-Animations broken on 3rd Party Launchers,
Dolby Atmos Sound effect doesn't apply to the first volume step.
Touch Sounds are way too loud, regardless of users volume,
For Google Clock to work properly, you need to disable MIUI Battery Saver,
MIUI Boot Sound is way too loud, also regardless of users volume,
Annoying additional restrictions/permission-manager which cannot be turned off anymore,
Fullscreen Pop-Up with user-unfriendly 10 second timer when trying to change sensitive permissions,
Adaptive Refresh Rate only activating when Screen-brightness is >80%, and only after 2 second delay,
YouTube, Games etc are forced to 60 Hz,
MIUI Camera doesn't respect Default-Gallery setting and always uses MIUI Gallery,
Default Camera cannot be changed,
Monet Colours cannot be customised,
Almost all apps used to get forcibly themed dark (even when the app already had Dark Mode), and you had to individually disable it for all apps. This made text from some apps unreadable.
I do like a few changes Xiaomi has done to Android with MIUI, like bringing back down the Brightness-bar (retarded change from Google), Custom Fonts, the really cool Live Wallpapers, its Dolby Atmos and much more...
I also do like many of their apps like Mi Fitness and the Calc...
But all the little issues give me micro-aggression. It's not a 100% reliable OS in my opinion and I'm still a tiny bit concerned about its Privacy & Tracking.. it's still a chinese company and China is ruled by CCP. The chinese Gov't can control their Tech companies.
Samsungs OneUI does indeed seem like a good and stable experience. But I'm also not a fan of goofy rounded corners and padding.
I bought my Galaxy Note 8 when TouchWiz was still a thing. Then a System update came and upgraded me to OneUI 1.0 and I kinda didn't like it all that much. TouchWiz looked a bit more professional to me, but that's just personal preference.
I'm more into Edgy than Curvy ;D
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I guess these can be frustrating issues for some, but none of this is an issue for me. I tend not to get overly worked up by minor software issues. In fact I do not mind the additional 10 second delay for sensitive permissions. For power users it maybe too annoying, but for ordinary users it is useful to show such warnings to help them avoid making big mistakes and messing up their phones or falling for scams. And anyway, it is just an extra 10 seconds delay. I do admit that blocking access to notification history is annoying but I have learned to live with it. Having the per app dark mode option is genuinely useful as it allows me to force dark mode on only some apps that I use that don't have a dark mode built in, rather than forcing it on all apps via Developer tools. Although this is not working anymore on MIUI 13.

litetaker said:
I guess these can be frustrating issues for some, but none of this is an issue for me. I tend not to get overly worked up by minor software issues. In fact I do not mind the additional 10 second delay for sensitive permissions. For power users it maybe too annoying, but for ordinary users it is useful to show such warnings to help them avoid making big mistakes and messing up their phones or falling for scams. And anyway, it is just an extra 10 seconds delay. I do admit that blocking access to notification history is annoying but I have learned to live with it. Having the per app dark mode option is genuinely useful as it allows me to force dark mode on only some apps that I use that don't have a dark mode built in, rather than forcing it on all apps via Developer tools. Although this is not working anymore on MIUI 13.
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I think the Warning with 10 sec-timer is the most infuriating one. :x
About Notification History, you can download Activity Launcher, search "Notification History" and make a shortcut for that hidden Activity to your Home screen!
That's what I did, because I use Notification Log & Notification History regularly.
However Notification-History on MIUI is a bit broken. You have to enable Light Mode to see the text properly

cyanGalaxy said:
I think the Warning with 10 sec-timer is the most infuriating one. :x
About Notification History, you can download Activity Launcher, search "Notification History" and make a shortcut for that hidden Activity to your Home screen!
That's what I did, because I use Notification Log & Notification History regularly.
However Notification-History on MIUI is a bit broken. You have to enable Light Mode to see the text properly
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Thanks a lot for the tip on how to get Notification History! That is very useful! It is stupid that Xiaomi blocks us from accessing this useful information natively and we need to use a third party app to expose this activity, but at least now I can see the history and get some info! Sometimes I get a ping on my phone and I am not sure which notification caused it. Now I can get more clarity! Yay!

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Yes, Naptime still makes quite a difference with its agressive dove settings and disabling sensors.
Even with how optimized Android 12 is you cannot escape bad programmed third party apps, so use something like IceBox to freeze not often used apps too
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We are now 1 year on, and Naptime + Servicely doesn't matter one bit on new devices. I've been running Android 13 for a while now and have never felt the need to install these two apps.
With Android 14 around the corner, app efficiency will be addressed even further by TARE and the introduction of new background APIs.

I'm still using naptime since a9/10. And see no reason to not use it. Induce deep sleep faster.
BTW, anyone noticed that naptime was removed from play store?

lapirado said:
I'm still using naptime since a9/10. And see no reason to not use it. Induce deep sleep faster.
BTW, anyone noticed that naptime was removed from play store?
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Yup i think Naptime and Servicely do improve my battery life! I can see from the Naptime Doze-logs that my phone goes to Deep Doze faster and the battery life does seem improved.
I just checked, and Naptime seems to be gone from Play Store, tho not Servicely. I think Google are being twats again...

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Yup i think Naptime and Servicely do improve my battery life! I can see from the Naptime Doze-logs that my phone goes to Deep Doze faster and the battery life does seem improved.
I just checked, and Naptime seems to be gone from Play Store, tho not Servicely. I think Google are being twats again...
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Hi, I could not run Naptime on Oxygen OS without Root. Did you find a solution? It worked fine on OOS11.

skyNET said:
Hi, I could not run Naptime on Oxygen OS without Root. Did you find a solution? It worked fine on OOS11.
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Does the app not start for you? You don't need Root, you can grant the permissions via ADB.

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Does the app not start for you? You don't need Root, you can grant the permissions via ADB.
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First of all thanks for your answer.
Yes, of course, it doesn't start properly, it shuts down quickly. I gave permissions with adb in OOS11 and it was doing its job really well (Naptime). But after I upgraded to OOS 12, I saw that the following command string "adb -d shell pm grant..." did not work and gave an error. I can't get around this problem, have you tried it? Naptime is a really successful app and OOS needs it.

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First of all thanks for your answer.
Yes, of course, it doesn't start properly, it shuts down quickly. I gave permissions with adb in OOS11 and it was doing its job really well (Naptime). But after I upgraded to OOS 12, I saw that the following command string "adb -d shell pm grant..." did not work and gave an error. I can't get around this problem, have you tried it? Naptime is a really successful app and OOS needs it.
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What error?
Enable USB debugging, connect your phone to PC, get the Google SDK Platform Tools, open the folder in Terminal, and type the commands exactly as written.
If you are on MIUI, you also have to enable "USB Debugging (Secure Settings)"

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What error?
Enable USB debugging, connect your phone to PC, get the Google SDK Platform Tools, open the folder in Terminal, and type the commands exactly as written.
If you are on MIUI, you also have to enable "USB Debugging (Secure Settings)"
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Let me show you the simplest with BBS!

skyNET said:
Let me show you the simplest with BBS!
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Try "adb shell" -> "pm grant ..........."

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Try "adb shell" -> "pm grant ..........."
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