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I recently upgraded my Amon RA to the latest build (2.3)
I like all the new choices but I'm confused about what I should be backing up when making a Nandroid.
I made one that backed these parts up:
[x] boot
[x] system
[x] data
[x] wimax
Is that good enough? Should I backup recovery too? I understand sd-ext and .android-secure backups will take more space and time to create. But are the ones I listed above pretty much the only essential things if I ever need to flash a backup?
yep...
I would make a backup of just wimax, then there would be no need to back it up again.
Depends on your amount of paranoia about being able to recover. I backup my entire phone, including my SD card, prior to flashing any ROM. So far I haven't had any issues recovering. Granted I'm new to rooting and flashing ROMs...so haven't had enough time to really bork things up.
I know my b/u is over kill, but I'd rather spend the few extra minutes getting everything than find out I missed something if I need to recover.
HTC Evo
Rooted, but still stock...for now
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The program is designed to work, if it's not, we have a problem.
You are good to go with your backup scheme.
You don't need to backup WiMax every time. Just back it up once, separately, then backup boot, data, and system regularly.
i have four or five nands on my card that i checked every option for. cant hurt...
Thanks for all the replies guys.
I'll take it all into account and do an "in case of catastrophic data loss" backup (in other words, full on backup, full checks)
And keep it to the OP scheme i had for future backups.
@n00bhackin
I'm the same way. Better safe than sorry.
Yep, wimax is a seperate backup.
Before backup, wipe cache and dalvik cache (reduces size of backup file and forces dalvik to be rebuilt when recovered).
At a bare minimum: boot, system, data
If you use apps2sd, backup .android.secure also unless you want to reinstall some apps.
If you use apps2sd to a ext3 partition on your SD, backup SD:ext for the same reasons above.
If your not sure which apps2sd you are using;
1) check on your SD the folder .android.secure, got apps there then its option 1.
2) if you use dark tremors apps2sd, then you know what it does and you back up option 2.
It would be awesome to have a .ini file on the sd with various defaults already enabled.
Maybe next in the next version
When I perform a backup from recovery (or via a front-end such as ROM Manager), what exactly is saved?
Is it like a clone of a hard drive in the PC world?
Does it contain only data, and not the actual ROM?
How should I go about using such a backup when doing a restore? Should a ROM be installed first, followed by the restore? If so, must the ROM match the backup exactly -- that is, must it be the ROM under which the backup was performed in the first place?
kirkers said:
When I perform a backup from recovery (or via a front-end such as ROM Manager), what exactly is saved?
Is it like a clone of a hard drive in the PC world?
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That's a pretty close analogy. Only difference is I don't think it captures partitions...but I'm not sure about that. (It's not clear to me, for instance, if you did a nandroid of a phone with the EXT4 mod implemented and tried to install it on a phone without the EXT4 mod, exactly how that would play out.)
As an example, though, I took a nandroid of my stock phone immediately after I rooted it and got S-off. I then played around with various CM7, CM9, and JB ROMs for a weekend, but reloaded the stock nandroid Sunday night before going back to work on Monday. (I need a reliable phone for work.)
My phone was restored to exactly the way it was when I took the nandroid snapshot. I had to re-download a handful of app updates and email that had arrived since the time I took the nandroid to "catch up" to the present time, but that's all.
kirkers said:
When I perform a backup from recovery (or via a front-end such as ROM Manager), what exactly is saved?
Is it like a clone of a hard drive in the PC world?
Does it contain only data, and not the actual ROM?
How should I go about using such a backup when doing a restore? Should a ROM be installed first, followed by the restore? If so, must the ROM match the backup exactly -- that is, must it be the ROM under which the backup was performed in the first place?
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It is everything on your phone at the current time when you made a backup. Including your rom, apps, files, boot animation and e.t.c.
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Impact of EXT4 partition on nandroid backup + restore?
sully9292 said:
It is everything on your phone at the current time when you made a backup. Including your rom, apps, files, boot animation and e.t.c.
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MysticCobra said:
[The PC clone image is] a pretty close analogy. Only difference is I don't think it captures partitions...but I'm not sure about that. (It's not clear to me, for instance, if you did a nandroid of a phone with the EXT4 mod implemented and tried to install it on a phone without the EXT4 mod, exactly how that would play out.)
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Thanks for the clarifications and the personal experience story. It helps calm my nerves. :fingers-crossed: Now it is clear that the nandroid is a full snapshot, close to being a clone image.
Can anyone address MysticCobra's point about the EXT4 partition?
As a rule, I have followed ROM Manager app's recommendation to partition the sdcard to allow apps to be stored on it. This is what the EXT4 partition is designed to do, as far as I understand such things.
If I format the sdcard with EXT4 (which in my experience wipes out all data on the card), and then restore a nandroid that came from an older EXT4-formatted sdcard of the same size or smaller than the new sdcard, would the nandroid restoration go smoothly?
What would happen if the new sdcard did NOT have an EXT4 partition?
Thanks in advance for further advice.
:good: Cheers!
kirkers said:
Thanks for the clarifications and the personal experience story. It helps calm my nerves. :fingers-crossed: Now it is clear that the nandroid is a full snapshot, close to being a clone image.
Can anyone address MysticCobra's point about the EXT4 partition?
As a rule, I have followed ROM Manager app's recommendation to partition the sdcard to allow apps to be stored on it. This is what the EXT4 partition is designed to do, as far as I understand such things.
If I format the sdcard with EXT4 (which in my experience wipes out all data on the card), and then restore a nandroid that came from an older EXT4-formatted sdcard of the same size or smaller than the new sdcard, would the nandroid restoration go smoothly?
What would happen if the new sdcard did NOT have an EXT4 partition?
Thanks in advance for further advice.
:good: Cheers!
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Nandroid backup/restores don't touch the sdcard. They backup to the sdcard but the nandroid only handles /system, /data, /data/data, /cache, boot, and recovery.
The ext4 partition is not the same as the ext4 mod that MysticCobra mentioned. The mod converts /data, and /cache to ext4 and changes the ramdisk to mount them as ext4. The no data limit one also disables the mounting /data/data so the phone will share the apps and app data with a 750MB. Your app data is intact with the no data limit mod but a backup is still advised. No wipe updates don't touch the filesystem in /data or /cache but the mod may need to be flashed again for the ROM to boot correctly as the ramdisk is overridden on all updates. Technically with the normal data one you are good on later cm7 and ICS/JB ROMs as it's already ext4.
If you want to undo the mod the best thing is to wipe /data and /cache and reflash the ROM.
For further reading check the first link in the link below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1623038
I have been using TWRP for a while and have been saving backups regularly on the external SD-card. I have restored many times after testing some custom ROM.
Today I tried to restore my most recent backup and after it was done, it throws me back into the boot screen.
I can see a long list of previous backups but when I select them I observe the following, which I had not paid attention to before:
1) the most recent backup involves the partitions System and Data
2) the three next backups show no partitions and TWRP refuses to restore them (and I could swear I had restored from them in the past)
3) a very old backup shows System, Data and Boot
4) an older custom ROM backup also shows System, Data and Boot
Can someone please tell me what you think the problem is here? I cannot go back to my most recent backup.
Make sure you've not somehow ended up with 2 twrp folders with different id's as twrp will only recognize the current Id.
If that's the case copy the backups into that folder.
There is only one TWRP folder. It seems some backups contain "Boot" "Data" and "System" and some backups contain only "System" and "Data" and are missing "Boot".
As I only followed the "defaults" when I did the backups, I need to understand why in some cases it did not save "Boot".
Would you know why?
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There is only one TWRP folder. It seems some backups contain "Boot" "Data" and "System" and some backups contain only "System" and "Data" and are missing "Boot".
As I only followed the "defaults" when I did the backups, I need to understand why in some cases it did not save "Boot".
Would you know why?
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I've no idea, never come across it, unless you accidentally unchecked those partitions?
In any case none are full backups.
You should make a backup of EFS and modem too.
ashyx said:
I've no idea, never come across it, unless you accidentally unchecked those partitions?
In any case none are full backups.
You should make a backup of EFS and modem too.
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I have managed to restore an older backup which had Boot, Data and System partitions. I then restored the latest backup which only had Data and System. It now seems to work. I started it up and it all appears to be in place.
I then booted into TWRP and selected to do a backup and it had automatically selected the Data, System and Boot partitions. Why did it leave Boot out of the previous backups I do not understand but will keep an eye on it from now on.
Regarding the EFS partition: Originally I installed the stock ROM using ODIN. Does this mean that all the partitions were created during that initial installation? Or was the EFS partition present beforehand?
EFS partition is not part of the firmware, so is extremely important to back up, probably the most important of all to backup as it contains a lot of information that could render your device useless if it gets corrupted.
OK, thanks, will do it now.
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EFS partition is not part of the firmware, so is extremely important to back up, probably the most important of all to backup as it contains a lot of information that could render your device useless if it gets corrupted.
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Can we make EFS checked by default? I had no idea that it's that important..
alexeyp said:
Can we make EFS checked by default? I had no idea that it's that important..
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"Important" - is there anything other than the IMEI to worry about? On my other, dual-SIM Chinese phones, I used to change the IMEI as I liked.
Yes. And it's ONLY 20MB, compared to the other partitions which are many GB in length.
And Restore should be made to have the partition unchecked by default.
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"Important" - is there anything other than the IMEI to worry about? On my other, dual-SIM Chinese phones, I used to change the IMEI as I liked.
Yes. And it's ONLY 20MB, compared to the other partitions which are many GB in length.
And Restore should be made to have the partition unchecked by default.
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Check it and it should stay checked.
And yes it contains a lot of important stuff related to imei, wifi, network, Bluetooth.
Lose it and you could be in trouble.
Search Google for more info.
Please somebody could explain exactly what i need to backup in twrp? The system image and vendor image are needed? What they are in def? Thanks in advance...
From this forum, "the /vendor partition would only need backing up if you manually made changes to it yourself (for instance, if you use Layers). Otherwise, you can just use the vendor.img from the factory image if you need to restore /vendor."
From this forum, "According to TWRP in regards to System Image... this is a system read-only option that's intended to help you make a pure backup of your system image that you can later flash to receive over-the-air updates after having rooted or ROMed your device."
"The default backup options in TWRP are system, data, and boot. For most cases, this is sufficient for backing up a ROM. (Note that in some rare cases, boot isn’t available for backup on certain devices). If your device has the option, backing up android_secure and/or sd-ext may be a good idea. There’s usually no reason to back up cache or recovery (recovery not available for backup on some devices)." Answer found here.
enzippo said:
Please somebody could explain exactly what i need to backup in twrp? The system image and vendor image are needed? What they are in def? Thanks in advance...
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Also make sure you backup your efs and keep atleast 2 copies eg 1 on phone and another on computer or in the cloud etc.
You only need to restore this if you loose your imei number due to corruption etc.
Hi,
Where can I find an explanation of the Nexus 5X partitions, and which of those are changed during use and are a good idea to back up?
Coming from Nexus 7 3G 2012, I see the 5X has quite a few more partitions. I've searched this site and the wider Internet for their purpose but have come up only with a parted listing without explanation.
E.g. what typically goes into "vendor", why do "system" and "vendor" have "... image" counterparts, and what exactly goes into the crucial "EFS" partition?
Following from that, it seems that an unlocked but otherwise unmodified device can be fully restored from the factory image and a data partition backup (apart from perhaps needing to restore EFS in extreme cases), right?
Or are there other partitions that may get modified during normal use and need to be backed up too?
I've come across one of the answers.
It seems the vendor partition contains the platform-specific drivers/binaries that were previously stored in the /system partition: https://plus.google.com/+JeanBaptisteQueru/posts/akHWypRNEn3.
...and according to this the "... image" selections aren't device partitions, but TWRP options to add fastboot flashable image backups of the corresponding partitions.
fvisagie said:
what exactly goes into the crucial "EFS" partition?
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Continuing the monologue, although I haven't found a definitive source, most authorative-sounding ones like this one and this one claim it contains device-specific IDs, mostly connectivity, such as IMEI/ESN, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth MAC addresses, network unlock information etc.
fvisagie said:
Following from that, it seems that an unlocked but otherwise unmodified device can be fully restored from the factory image and a data partition backup (apart from perhaps needing to restore EFS in extreme cases), right?
Or are there other partitions that may get modified during normal use and need to be backed up too?
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I recall from a previous experience that to be completely safe, user data/internal storage (/sdcard) needs to be backed up and restored too. Most Android apps that had been run and had created data on /sdcard before the backup will fail to run if restored without their /sdcard content.