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Guys,
We all know about the "magical 4636 menu" which provides a lot of interesting information as well as battery usage history. Now, talking about Battery, there is a submenu which is called "partial wake usage". I have googled a lot (both on XDA and beyond) and still could not find any exact explanation on what _exactly_ that thing was
Everyone is writing smth like "well, if you see some app there, that means that it doesn't let your Desire to sleep... err... "completely".. but the phone is not "fully" awake either.. err.. yeah..."
So, if someone could clarify this, I would be very grateful. What interests me exactly is:
- if I see (for example) MortPlayer app on top of the "partial wake usage" list - does that mean that the app was ACTIVELY running in background even when the display was off?
- if yes, does that mean that my device consumed just as much power as if it was awake, "minus" the energy consumed by OLED screen?
- so, "partial wake" mode itself - how is that defined? Does "partial-wake" equal "fully-actively-running-device-but-the-screen-does-not-consume-power"?
- when listening to mp3 (with the screen off) - is that "partial wake"?
Thanks in advance.
erm.. anyone?...
Maybe this help!
Hi mate,
I'm no expert on Android or anything but will share what I thought partial wake option shows from my own experience.
I was using Seven to get my hotmail push to my Desire and I was getting very poor battery life from it.
when I checked via the battery history I had to select from the top drop down list "partial wake usage" and "since last unplug" from second drop list.
and it clearly showed 70% of my battery was getting used up by seven. so I uninstalled it right away.
after that now I'm getting almost 2 days worth of battery life while on the other hand before I was running out of battery before even 18 hours.
seven was a beta software and unapproved as well, so I guess it will cause the problem.
So basically the partial wake usage menu shows you what app you or the system running even when your display is off.
now the reason I think it shows other app on the list bcoz of Android's nature of always connected to net. like Android system, maps, facebook and stuff.
which keeps updating behind if you run them once after you unplugged and got out of them by pressing home button.
Also remember by the second menu gives you option to select either "since last unplugged" or "total since boot" or "total in all time" so obviously a lot off app going to show up on the list.
and yes playing mp3 with screen shut is consider partial wake usage as my cube player shows up on list.
PARTIAL_WAKE_LOCK means that the CPU will continue running in sleep mode only the Screen and the Keyboard will powerd off
FROM ANDROID API-DOC:
*If you hold a partial wakelock, the CPU will continue to run, irrespective of any timers and even after the user presses the power button. In all other wakelocks, the CPU will run, but the user can still put the device to sleep using the power button.
wake-locks are needed for some apps who have timers or counters in backround etc. 'cause without the cpu the timer will not work
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/PowerManager.html
Not recommended to keep CPU running unless you really need it - kills power efficiency by stopping CPU sleep modes.
I have a notification widget on the task bar to access the Testing menu since the first week which allows all those stats and more. I found about a week back that the application WorldWideTime had 99% battery usage as partial wake since the last unplug with over 6hours devoted to it and the next highest being Android at 2s of use. I rarely used the app -> Uninstalled.
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Thank you for your replies!
I have noticed that after listening to mp3 using MortPlayer (the screen is off, device in pocket ) it appears on the partial_wake_usage list. So, this means that when I am listening to mp3 via MortPlayer, the CPU stil runs as if my Desire was fully awake.
Does anyone know how that is with the original music player?
I can't answer your specific question, but any music player running when the screen is off must be using an awake lock to keep the CPU running. Same as any browser/application which is downloading content. Without the CPU running, such tasks won't be possible. There is power saving with a partial lock, as other unused hardware is put to sleep.
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th3 said:
I can't answer your specific question, but any music player running when the screen is off must be using an awake lock to keep the CPU running. Same as any browser/application which is downloading content. Without the CPU running, such tasks won't be possible. There is power saving with a partial lock, as other unused hardware is put to sleep.
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Thanks, that clarifies a lot!
Partial wakelock with Palmary Weather
I am sad to report this but the awesome weather app J
(Palmary) is unfortunately taking up the largest majority of partial wakelock on my Desire Z. Looks like I need to uninstall it.
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I have a notification widget on the task bar to access the Testing menu since the first week which allows all those stats and more. I found about a week back that the application WorldWideTime ........... -> Uninstalled.
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gnocchi_ny said:
I am sad to report this but the awesome weather app J
(Palmary) is unfortunately taking up the largest majority of partial wakelock on my Desire Z. Looks like I need to uninstall it.
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I use Palmary, without the widget, as my primary weather app. I have it set to manual refresh and I have no problems at all. Unsurprisingly.
SousukeUK said:
Hi mate,
I'm no expert on Android or anything but will share what I thought partial wake option shows from my own experience.
I was using Seven to get my hotmail push to my Desire and I was getting very poor battery life from it.
when I checked via the battery history I had to select from the top drop down list "partial wake usage" and "since last unplug" from second drop list.
and it clearly showed 70% of my battery was getting used up by seven. so I uninstalled it right away.
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I just uninstalled Seven...still in beta btw. I was using it to sync Hotmail since it syncs junk mail as well. Anyway, only found out about this wake lock stuff. Went into spare parts and saw that Seven was taking about 70% also. Charging now...hopefully this will solve my battery issues...tried everything else.
Guys, it looks like my doze feature does not do a good job. What do you guys think I can do to improve it. I don't have any facebook app or snapchat only bluetooth is on and wifi . Under battery stats only OS services are listed and lookout 1%. Any suggestions?
Which services do you have running in the background? Those would be the usual suspects. In Android 6.0 you can see them in Developer Options > Running Services.
bblzd said:
Which services do you have running in the background? Those would be the usual suspects. In Android 6.0 you can see them in Developer Options > Running Services.
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under battery stats I had Bluetooth, android os, android system, google services, phone idle and lookout. I have bunch more in the developer menu. Should I start uninstalling some of them? looks like google goggles , gas buddy, rocket player, light manager, swiftkey , battery saver have been running for a while.
erikmarko said:
under battery stats I had Bluetooth, android os, android system, google services, phone idle and lookout. I have bunch more in the developer menu. Should I start uninstalling some of them? looks like google goggles , gas buddy, rocket player, light manager, swiftkey , battery saver have been running for a while.
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Anything that runs in the background as a service can wake the phone during Doze. Some of them might not be necessary and can be closed, but just swiping certain apps away doesn't always mean they close if they choose to run as a service.
Process of elimination would be a good way to determine which might be causing issues. Sometimes there's a setting within the app (notification manager, etc.) that allows it to run in the background and that can be disabled without removing the app entirely. This is especially true for games that like to notify you of random events.
Another way to see what has been eating RAM and processes recently is the Settings > Memory tab. Last 3 hours (set to max usage instead of average) is often surprising to see how many apps chose to do some background stuff despite me never even using them in days.
Hey guys have been having pretty bad battery drain from my new S20 4g Exynos. My old S9+ has better battery life than this.
I have installed GSam and it seems apps are using ~95% of my battery in basically 100% standby. The largest is com.samsung.android.app.aodservice which is the always on display. I have already turned off all AoD services as well as the fingerprint icon when screen is off. Despite doing all this I can still put my finger on the screen after the phone has been locked and it unlocks with my fingerprint. Is there another setting I am missing to turn off, is it even configurable? Or am I having some sort of glitch?
9GAG as well was using lots of battery even if I had it in deep sleep and never even opened it after a reboot, so I have uninstalled that for now.
Looks like a glitch, either disable the service or wipe the phone.
I'm assuming the battery usage is the glitch you are referring to. If I disable the service and re-enable would that fix it you think? Our I would need to reset? I spent like a week getting this all setup already.
Also for the unlock without turning the screen on or waking, is that normal behaviour for everyone else or is it a setting/glitch?
knobbs said:
Hey guys have been having pretty bad battery drain from my new S20 4g Exynos. My old S9+ has better battery life than this.
I have installed GSam and it seems apps are using ~95% of my battery in basically 100% standby. The largest is com.samsung.android.app.aodservice which is the always on display. I have already turned off all AoD services as well as the fingerprint icon when screen is off. Despite doing all this I can still put my finger on the screen after the phone has been locked and it unlocks with my fingerprint. Is there another setting I am missing to turn off, is it even configurable? Or am I having some sort of glitch?
9GAG as well was using lots of battery even if I had it in deep sleep and never even opened it after a reboot, so I have uninstalled that for now.
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I am having the same readings from gsam. But Samsung battery stats say AOD used 3% battery. Not sure which is wrong
mariushm said:
I am having the same readings from gsam. But Samsung battery stats say AOD used 3% battery. Not sure which is wrong
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How to make gsam show app usage for me it shows only combined cpu app usage when i want to show app usage.
knobbs said:
Hey guys have been having pretty bad battery drain from my new S20 4g Exynos. My old S9+ has better battery life than this.
I have installed GSam and it seems apps are using ~95% of my battery in basically 100% standby. The largest is com.samsung.android.app.aodservice which is the always on display. I have already turned off all AoD services as well as the fingerprint icon when screen is off. Despite doing all this I can still put my finger on the screen after the phone has been locked and it unlocks with my fingerprint. Is there another setting I am missing to turn off, is it even configurable? Or am I having some sort of glitch?
9GAG as well was using lots of battery even if I had it in deep sleep and never even opened it after a reboot, so I have uninstalled that for now.
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Consider setting GSam to record battery usage since full charged instead since last unpluged it's better.Because you get real usage and screen on time for only that 100% of battery.
Zixi said:
How to make gsam show app usage for me it shows only combined cpu app usage when i want to show app usage.
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"Enable more stats" in gsam.
There is description how to enable it.
It is not aod that is draining the battery, I've got the same issue, I uninstalled AOD using ADB it didn't change anything
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I am having the same readings from gsam. But Samsung battery stats say AOD used 3% battery. Not sure which is wrong
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Do you have AoD enabled though? I have everything turned off and it is still chugging my battery
Package Disabler Pro, disable the service, no root needed either
So as an updated I disabled all AoD things with CCWSE and AoD is still chewing battery in the background as well as CCWSE now.... sigh
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So as an updated I disabled all AoD things with CCWSE and AoD is still chewing battery in the background as well as CCWSE now.... sigh
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That is bizarre. Re-enable AOD in CCSWE, then use CCSWE to wipe AOD data (tap AOD icon, look at bottom of screen and tap "Wipe data") and disable AOD again. Restart phone and leave it alone for a few minutes to let GSam battery collect data. Open GSam battery, tap the triangle/delta icon at the bottom of screen, choose "Since screen off" and see if AOD/CCSWE is still consuming battery.
So I did a factory reset and same thing happening even, without installing anything but GSAM and giving it permission. Turning off all AoD options didn't do anything. However when enabling power saving and ticking the option to turn off AoD it seems to be dropping the battery use from the service like crazy. Will need a few days of testing to see if this can fix the problem. However leaving in battery saving means I can't enjoy anything above 60hz refresh.
I noticed AOD consuming more battery following ADT1 update. I've never used AOD and it was always low on the GSam battery monitor list. But now it is #4 on the list, using 4% battery even when "disabled".
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I noticed AOD consuming more battery following ADT1 update. I've never used AOD and it was always low on the GSam battery monitor list. But now it is #4 on the list, using 4% battery even when "disabled".
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I'm still on ATD3 and have between 1.2-1.7% on Gsam, depending on how much notification i get .... using "Tap to show" on AOD along with aodNoti..app...
S20U-Exynos
knobbs said:
Hey guys have been having pretty bad battery drain from my new S20 4g Exynos. My old S9+ has better battery life than this.
I have installed GSam and it seems apps are using ~95% of my battery in basically 100% standby. The largest is com.samsung.android.app.aodservice which is the always on display. I have already turned off all AoD services as well as the fingerprint icon when screen is off. Despite doing all this I can still put my finger on the screen after the phone has been locked and it unlocks with my fingerprint. Is there another setting I am missing to turn off, is it even configurable? Or am I having some sort of glitch?
9GAG as well was using lots of battery even if I had it in deep sleep and never even opened it after a reboot, so I have uninstalled that for now.
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Main AOD service can not be disabled. There is no option to disable. This problem is related to fingerprint tracker while the phone is in standby. It's always on because you maybe need to unlock the phone any time. If you disable online fingerprint scanner (com.samsung.android.app.aodservice) then you loose fingerprint scanner while the phone is in standbye. So you should first wake on your phone from standby (by double tab the screen or push the power key) then put your finger on fingerprint scanner.
To disable AOD, Just Enable USB debugging mode then enter command:
adb shell pm disable-user com.samsung.android.app.aodservice
note: If you got successful you should receive (Package com.samsung.android.app.aodservice new state: disabled-user)
That's all.
Is there a way to prevent an app from ever being killed? I have 2 examples:
1) Fitbit app (background sync service, specifically) - when this stops running, some features on my watch quit working until I launch the app and sync manually.
2) Battery monitor app - I've tried AccuBattery (my preferred app), GSam, and BBS, but they all get killed and restart, and therefore give inaccurate information. BBS doesn't die as often as the others, but I don't like it as well. All 3 have persistent notifications, so I can tell when they last restarted.
I've set Battery Optimization to "Don't Optimize" for all of these. I've tried turning off all 3 of the settings under Advanced Optimization (probably unnecessary, no noticeable difference). I've also Locked each of these from recent apps. Are there any other settings I'm missing that could prevent an app from being killed? Possibly something new to Android 11? Fitbit and AccuBattery worked fine on my previous OP7P with Android 10.
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Is there a way to prevent an app from ever being killed? I have 2 examples:
1) Fitbit app (background sync service, specifically) - when this stops running, some features on my watch quit working until I launch the app and sync manually.
2) Battery monitor app - I've tried AccuBattery (my preferred app), GSam, and BBS, but they all get killed and restart, and therefore give inaccurate information. BBS doesn't die as often as the others, but I don't like it as well. All 3 have persistent notifications, so I can tell when they last restarted.
I've set Battery Optimization to "Don't Optimize" for all of these. I've tried turning off all 3 of the settings under Advanced Optimization (probably unnecessary, no noticeable difference). I've also Locked each of these from recent apps. Are there any other settings I'm missing that could prevent an app from being killed? Possibly something new to Android 11? Fitbit and AccuBattery worked fine on my previous OP7P with Android 10.
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I have try to to go to developer mode and go to standby application. go inside and set the app you want to always on to active and remember still set battery to don't Optimize and locked the app. Do not click the clear all button.
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I have try to to go to developer mode and go to standby application. go inside and set the app you want to always on to active and remember still set battery to don't Optimize and locked the app. Do not click the clear all button.
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Interesting, I haven't seen that before. Thanks for introducing me to something new. All of the apps in question are currently grayed out and say Exempted, so they shouldn't ever be put into standby.
Disable all power management*, Android does fine without it. Address any remaining power hogs individually on a case by case basis.
Power management will cause erratic behavior and can even increase battery usage even after its lame "adjustment" period.
To check if it is fully disabled go to Developer options>Standby apps, all buckets should show to be in their active state (and can't be manually assigned), if not power management is enabled.
Make sure allow background usage isn't disabled on the apps you want to run.
*yeah turn all those optimizing toggles OFF.
Only fast charging should be toggled on if you use it.
blackhawk said:
Disable all power management*, Android does fine without it. Address any remaining power hogs individually on a case by case basis.
Power management will cause erratic behavior and can even increase battery usage even after its lame "adjustment" period.
To check if it is fully disabled go to Developer options>Standby apps, all buckets should show to be in their active state (and can't be manually assigned), if not power management is enabled.
Make sure allow background usage isn't disabled on the apps you want to run.
*yeah turn all those optimizing toggles OFF.
Only fast charging should be toggled on if you use it.
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How does one disable all power management? I don't see any sort of global switch for that. Turning it off entirely seems drastic, but I agree that power management is generally more trouble than it's worth.
I did verify that the apps in question are allowed to run in the background and use unlimited data.
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How does one disable all power management? I don't see any sort of global switch for that. Turning it off entirely seems drastic, but I agree that power management is generally more trouble than it's worth.
I did verify that the apps in question are allowed to run in the background and use unlimited data.
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It seems like you're setting up right. Check the Stand by apps status.
When you first load Accubattery it gives an option to disable task killing in settings, Pro version.
Uninstalling then reinstalling it sometimes works for me; clearing its data does not. I was getting the same error message until I just reinstalled it
Just don't take Accubattery too seriously... it's useful up to a point.
I'm on Pie. Google really screwed up 10 and especially 11... so yeah it could something new as Google insists on changing things even if they're already nearly perfect
If that fails check with Accubattery for guidance with 11. They are responsive to emails.
They may also be punching out an update.
My Asus ROG Phone 6 loses 5% battery life in 24h while just idling.
WiFi and Bluetooth are turned off. I don't have a SIM card installed yet, but even with a "Aeroplane mode" activated, I get the same consumption.
Is that consumption normal?
What irritates me is that in the beginning I saw horizontal lines in the "Battery usage" chart, indicating close to zero battery consumption when the phone was turned off. I don't get these horizontal segments anymore.
I installed GSam Battery Monitor and it shows 100% time spent in Deep sleep (but shows a "5% / 5%" for "Discharge Screen Off"). In the "OTHERS" chart, "Doze" is a continuous line but "Active" shows a lot of interrupted small blocks ("Screen" is obviously completely absent). "Wifi" is shown as always on, but I believe that is a bug because I turned off the location-based features that turn on Wifi automatically, turned on Aeroplane mode, etc. After a restart, the "Wifi" bar was correctly absent for a while but briefly turning Wifi on, got it back to "always on". I'm 99.9% sure this is a GSam bug.
I have double confirmed with "DevCheck" that the CPU goes to "Deep sleep" and spends pretty much all the time in that state.
I get about "5m" combined App Wakelocks in 48h.
The biggest battery consumer is "Kernel (Android OS) 7.5%", followed by "System (*wakelock*) 2.3%", "Google Play services 1.6%". These figures are from a 14 day period in which I used the phone for 3h to play a game (6.7% consumption) and otherwise only turned it on to check the battery. I currently don't have access to the percentage figures during pure sleeping since I plugged in the phone for charging.
Using GSam Battery Monitor, I don't see any app wasting battery life in the background. It's the kernel that consumes the vast majority of the battery life, if the phone is idle. The Android/Asus Battery usage stats show "Phone idle" with 54.7% for that 14 day period. The next one is the game with 3.8% (played for 3h) and then there is "Screen" with 1.9%.
I'd understand this kind of idle figure if the phone had a SIM card installed and bad reception but as I said before there is no card in the phone yet and the consumption is the same if I put it in Aeroplane mode.
I'm running Android 12, build 32.2810.2212.241.
The battery "system mode" is "Dynamic". The refresh rate is set to "60Hz" (not that it should matter with the screen turned off all the time). "Battery Saver" in the "Developer options" is turned "on".
I'd be grateful if someone could comment on the 5% battery life loss within 24h. I realize that many will not be able to compare this with their figures, as they'll have a cell phone service running, but perhaps those who turns on Aeroplane mode, should have comparable figures, for an 8h period, or so.
My Huawei Mate 20 (running Android 10) shows pretty much no consumption at all over night via the battery stats, when I turn on Aeroplane mode. Perhaps it loses 1% or at most 2%, I'll check again. Should the ROG Phone 6 behave the same, or is this difference to be expected?
Again, I'm irritated that I definitely saw multiple horizontal (no usage) periods in the battery usage chart in the beginning. I'm pretty sure these appeared before I had given the phone a full charge yet, so perhaps they weren't really indicative of close to zero consumption due to a lack of battery capacity calibration.
TomKay said:
My Asus ROG Phone 6 loses 5% battery life in 24h while just idling.
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Congratulations. 0.2%/h is a very good result.
TomKay said:
My Asus ROG Phone 6 loses 5% battery life in 24h while just idling.
WiFi and Bluetooth are turned off. I don't have a SIM card installed yet, but even with a "Aeroplane mode" activated, I get the same consumption.
Is that consumption normal?
What irritates me is that in the beginning I saw horizontal lines in the "Battery usage" chart, indicating close to zero battery consumption when the phone was turned off. I don't get these horizontal segments anymore.
I installed GSam Battery Monitor and it shows 100% time spent in Deep sleep (but shows a "5% / 5%" for "Discharge Screen Off"). In the "OTHERS" chart, "Doze" is a continuous line but "Active" shows a lot of interrupted small blocks ("Screen" is obviously completely absent). "Wifi" is shown as always on, but I believe that is a bug because I turned off the location-based features that turn on Wifi automatically, turned on Aeroplane mode, etc. After a restart, the "Wifi" bar was correctly absent for a while but briefly turning Wifi on, got it back to "always on". I'm 99.9% sure this is a GSam bug.
I have double confirmed with "DevCheck" that the CPU goes to "Deep sleep" and spends pretty much all the time in that state.
I get about "5m" combined App Wakelocks in 48h.
The biggest battery consumer is "Kernel (Android OS) 7.5%", followed by "System (*wakelock*) 2.3%", "Google Play services 1.6%". These figures are from a 14 day period in which I used the phone for 3h to play a game (6.7% consumption) and otherwise only turned it on to check the battery. I currently don't have access to the percentage figures during pure sleeping since I plugged in the phone for charging.
Using GSam Battery Monitor, I don't see any app wasting battery life in the background. It's the kernel that consumes the vast majority of the battery life, if the phone is idle. The Android/Asus Battery usage stats show "Phone idle" with 54.7% for that 14 day period. The next one is the game with 3.8% (played for 3h) and then there is "Screen" with 1.9%.
I'd understand this kind of idle figure if the phone had a SIM card installed and bad reception but as I said before there is no card in the phone yet and the consumption is the same if I put it in Aeroplane mode.
I'm running Android 12, build 32.2810.2212.241.
The battery "system mode" is "Dynamic". The refresh rate is set to "60Hz" (not that it should matter with the screen turned off all the time). "Battery Saver" in the "Developer options" is turned "on".
I'd be grateful if someone could comment on the 5% battery life loss within 24h. I realize that many will not be able to compare this with their figures, as they'll have a cell phone service running, but perhaps those who turns on Aeroplane mode, should have comparable figures, for an 8h period, or so.
My Huawei Mate 20 (running Android 10) shows pretty much no consumption at all over night via the battery stats, when I turn on Aeroplane mode. Perhaps it loses 1% or at most 2%, I'll check again. Should the ROG Phone 6 behave the same, or is this difference to be expected?
Again, I'm irritated that I definitely saw multiple horizontal (no usage) periods in the battery usage chart in the beginning. I'm pretty sure these appeared before I had given the phone a full charge yet, so perhaps they weren't really indicative of close to zero consumption due to a lack of battery capacity calibration.
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I lose 0% on 10 hours standby in flight mode
Thanos88 said:
I lose 0% on 10 hours standby in flight mode
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That's great!
What build number of Android OS are you running?
I'd be grateful, if you could check it and post it here.
Have you done anything to get this performance or is it "out of the box"?
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0.2%/h is a very good result.
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I'm not so sure.
First, remember that this figure is without any cell phone service drawing current.
Second, I initially saw segments of the battery consumption graph that were horizontal, but no longer do.
Third, look at what Thanos88 reported.
I've seen other posts about unusually high idle consumption of the ROG Phone 6. I believe most users will not even notice because they don't shut down their phones fully and the idle consumption disappears as noise under the all the higher normal consumption. Perhaps other users don't complain, because they don't suffer from the issue I seem to be having. I don't know.
TomKay said:
That's great!
What build number of Android OS are you running?
I'd be grateful, if you could check it and post it here.
Have you done anything to get this performance or is it "out of the box"?
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android 12
.197 firmware
Done plenty of app debloating
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android 12
.197 firmware
Done plenty of app debloating
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Thanks!
I note that you are not on the latest version (.241). That could explain the difference. Perhaps I saw the near to zero consumption before I accepted the update to .241? That is quite possible.
I've done a lot of app debloating as well, removing Facebook, etc., but as I mentioned before, there are no apps that cause any noteworthy battery consumption. Did you do anything out of the ordinary? I first just uninstalled and/or disabled some apps/services that I did not need and later even uninstalled some via ADB. The latter made no difference regarding battery consumption.
My 5%/24h figure comes from
41.3% Android System
15.2% Kernel (Android OS)
4.4% Phone Services
3.5% com.android.systemui:screenshot
3.1% Google Play services
2.0% com.google.uid.shared:.....
1.9% GSam Battery Monitor
0.9% ASUS Launcher
There are some more (e.g., 0.4% Gmail) but they don't use much at all.
Time Held Awake (over a 37h period):
Kernel (Android OS) 10m 53s
Android System 4m 1s
Google Play services 16s
com.google.uid.shared:..... 2s
com.android.systemui:screenshot 1s
That's all, no other apps/services are reported to keep the phone awake (while it was idling).
Number of times Waking Device
Google Play services 48
Android System 34
Calendar Storage 8
android.uid.calendar:..... 7
com.android.systemui:screenshot 6
com.google.android.partnersetup 5
There are a few more, but the next one has a figure of 3 and the rest are all lower.
No network data used (no SIM card, Wifi turned off) and no location used either.
I note that further battery consumers were sensors used by
Dirac Control Service 13m 5s
Android System 1m 17s
I do not know whether this is normal.
Is it possible to revert to the .197 firmware (or whatever firmware version my phone originally had) by performing a factory reset?
Or does the latter just clear all user data but leaves the current firmware in place?
In the latter case I would have to flash the .197 firmware manually, correct?
Would the latter be safe regarding warranty, etc.?
I don't want to root the phone or anything like that, I just would like to avoid unnecessary battery consumption.
TomKay said:
Thanks!
I note that you are not on the latest version (.241). That could explain the difference. Perhaps I saw the near to zero consumption before I accepted the update to .241? That is quite possible.
I've done a lot of app debloating as well, removing Facebook, etc., but as I mentioned before, there are no apps that cause any noteworthy battery consumption. Did you do anything out of the ordinary? I first just uninstalled and/or disabled some apps/services that I did not need and later even uninstalled some via ADB. The latter made no difference regarding battery consumption.
My 5%/24h figure comes from
41.3% Android System
15.2% Kernel (Android OS)
4.4% Phone Services
3.5% com.android.systemui:screenshot
3.1% Google Play services
2.0% com.google.uid.shared:.....
1.9% GSam Battery Monitor
0.9% ASUS Launcher
There are some more (e.g., 0.4% Gmail) but they don't use much at all.
Time Held Awake (over a 37h period):
Kernel (Android OS) 10m 53s
Android System 4m 1s
Google Play services 16s
com.google.uid.shared:..... 2s
com.android.systemui:screenshot 1s
That's all, no other apps/services are reported to keep the phone awake (while it was idling).
Number of times Waking Device
Google Play services 48
Android System 34
Calendar Storage 8
android.uid.calendar:..... 7
com.android.systemui:screenshot 6
com.google.android.partnersetup 5
There are a few more, but the next one has a figure of 3 and the rest are all lower.
No network data used (no SIM card, Wifi turned off) and no location used either.
I note that further battery consumers were sensors used by
Dirac Control Service 13m 5s
Android System 1m 17s
I do not know whether this is normal.
Is it possible to revert to the .197 firmware (or whatever firmware version my phone originally had) by performing a factory reset?
Or does the latter just clear all user data but leaves the current firmware in place?
In the latter case I would have to flash the .197 firmware manually, correct?
Would the latter be safe regarding warranty, etc.?
I don't want to root the phone or anything like that, I just would like to avoid unnecessary battery consumption.
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Try to force stop and clear data & clear cache of Google play services , then reboot your device , charge to full and then see what happens
Thanos88 said:
Try to force stop and clear data & clear cache of Google play services , then reboot your device , charge to full and then see what happens
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Thanks for the tip! I've done that before, without the "charge to full". I can try the exact sequence you have described.
Given the usage figures, Google play services are not using much:
Just
3.1% Google Play services
compared to
41.3% Android System
15.2% Kernel (Android OS)
4.4% Phone Services
Are you saying that either Google Play services are using battery in a way that GSam does not catch, or that Google Play services somehow responsible for the high system consumption?
I would say Google play services is causing the issue. Also I forgot to mention, make sure you force stop, then click "uninstall updates" on Google play services, then clear cache , then Clear data then reboot your phone.
If that doesn't help, I highly recommend you dow load BBS (Better battery stats) , give it adb permissions, and monitor your battery life/wakelocks with that app
TomKay said:
Thanks for the tip! I've done that before, without the "charge to full". I can try the exact sequence you have described.
Given the usage figures, Google play services are not using much:
Just
3.1% Google Play services
compared to
41.3% Android System
15.2% Kernel (Android OS)
4.4% Phone Services
Are you saying that either Google Play services are using battery in a way that GSam does not catch, or that Google Play services somehow responsible for the high system consumption?
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Thanos88 said:
I would say Google play services is causing the issue. Also I forgot to mention, make sure you force stop, then click "uninstall updates" on Google play services, then clear cache , then Clear data then reboot your phone.
If that doesn't help, I highly recommend you dow load BBS (Better battery stats) , give it adb permissions, and monitor your battery life/wakelocks with that app
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I followed the steps you described (including the "uninstall updates") and will report results, once the phone has fully charged and has idled for 24h. If there is no change, I'll uninstall GSam and install BBS.
Thanks a lot for your help.
Sadly, clearing the data&cache of Google Play services and downgrading it, did not help, at least it does not look like it helped right now.
This time, the battery lost 6% in 30h (went from 100% to 94%).
The last few hours showed very little battery consumption, though. Perhaps there was some book keeping to do after reboot which caused some consumption up until very recently.
I'll let the phone idle for another 24h and see whether the flat period continues. It would be awesome if it did.
I let the phone idle for another 24h and even though I restricted battery usage for more apps/services, the idle consumption did not change.
I'll try Better Battery Stats now.
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TomKay said:
I let the phone idle for another 24h and even though I restricted battery usage for more apps/services, the idle consumption did not change.
I'll try Better Battery Stats now.
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That's odd. What's your software number?
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That's odd. What's your software number?
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Android 12, build 32.2810.2212.241
Three updates more current than your .197 version.
I would have thought that if Google Play services were at fault, GSam Battery Monitor would have showed that. But perhaps not. I'll see whether BBS will provide any better clues. I could also try to disable Google Play services (just for diagnosing purposes), but I'm not sure that would result in any useful data, as many apps complain, if one disables Google Play services completely.
I suspect the difference between your idle consumption and mine is the firmware version. I've disabled/restricted so many apps/services, I doubt the phone would run normally now. So far, no culprit has been identified.
TomKay said:
Android 12, build 32.2810.2212.241
Three updates more current than your .197 version.
I would have thought that if Google Play services were at fault, GSam Battery Monitor would have showed that. But perhaps not. I'll see whether BBS will provide any better clues. I could also try to disable Google Play services (just for diagnosing purposes), but I'm not sure that would result in any useful data, as many apps complain, if one disables Google Play services completely.
I suspect the difference between your idle consumption and mine is the firmware version. I've disabled/restricted so many apps/services, I doubt the phone would run normally now. So far, no culprit has been identified.
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It's going to be the firmware then, or maybe even an app you've installed. I'm currently on 44% battery, with 9 hours 41 mins SOT, 1 days 2 hours off charge
Thanos88 said:
It's going to be the firmware then, or maybe even an app you've installed. I'm currently on 44% battery, with 9 hours 41 mins SOT, 1 days 2 hours off charge
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I think I can exclude any user apps, since,
1. The issue is the same if I start the phone in "Safe mode" (disables all user apps).
2. GSam Battery Monitor would have reported high usage by an app.
The battery consumers are the OS and motion sensors.
I turned off "Lift phone to check" (or similar) and the phone indeed does not activate the lock screen when I move it while the screen is dark. The phone stills faintly shows the fingerprint area if I move it, so some motion detection must be going on. I don't think this behaviour can be disabled, or can it?
TomKay said:
I think I can exclude any user apps, since,
1. The issue is the same if I start the phone in "Safe mode" (disables all user apps).
2. GSam Battery Monitor would have reported high usage by an app.
The battery consumers are the OS and motion sensors.
I turned off "Lift phone to check" (or similar) and the phone indeed does not activate the lock screen when I move it while the screen is dark. The phone stills faintly shows the fingerprint area if I move it, so some motion detection must be going on. I don't think this behaviour can be disabled, or can it?
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The fingerprint motion can be switched off in the settings however, it's probably the firmware that's causing the main issue imo
Thanos88 said:
The fingerprint motion can be switched off in the settings however, it's probably the firmware that's causing the main issue imo
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where in the settings can be turned off fingerprint motion ?
luki2411 said:
where in the settings can be turned off fingerprint motion ?
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Not sure if it's just me or they've removed that option looks like it can't be removed but I surely that motion can't be the battery culprit. It has to be the firmware