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S9 vs Note8

Hi everybody,
It's black Friday and i want to change my phone.
I can find the note8 and the S9 at the same price. Both in Exynos variant.
S9 has treble, note8 better battery. Which one should i get ?
Thanks

Znuf said:
Hi everybody,
It's black Friday and i want to change my phone.
I can find the note8 and the S9 at the same price. Both in Exynos variant.
S9 has treble, note8 better battery. Which one should i get ?
Thanks
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The Note 8 because the S9 with the 9810 performs like a slightly better Exynos 8895 with worse efficiency. Although the Note 8 has no project treble. If you get the Note 8 you would have to rely on Lineage.
Read this article about the Exynos 9810 and the s9:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/8
I would say import the G9600 which is the the Snapdragon s9 which has a boot loader which can be unlocked although the development is dead but at least you can get TWRP and flash a GSI and get project treble.
Or get the Exynos s9+ bigger battery and it performs like a slightly better Note 8 with about the same battery life/SOT.
I would stay far away from the regular s9 because a lot of people are reporting bad battery life because of the Exynos 9810. Either pay a bit more and get the s9+ with the Exy 9810 or get the Note 8 and rely on Lineage. Btw I have the s9+ Exynos.

Thanks ??? awesome details!!! Thanks a lot for all this informations.
All plus variant are too expensive here.
Note 8 has no stereo speaker too :/
I found a MI mix2s for 350$ I think I'll go with this.

Pubg on Exynos version?

I own a note 8 exynos and to be frank pubgm on it sucks big time, even though the phone was a flagship of its generation. I am just wondering if its worth upgrading to note 10+. I love the pen features but would not upgrade unless the gaming (esp. pubg) is a smooth experience.
What is the fps note 10+ owners are getting on pubg m? And on what graphic settings?

letzdoit said:
I own a note 8 exynos and to be frank pubgm on it sucks big time, even though the phone was a flagship of its generation. I am just wondering if its worth upgrading to note 10+. I love the pen features but would not upgrade unless the gaming (esp. pubg) is a smooth experience.
What is the fps note 10+ owners are getting on pubg m? And on what graphic settings?
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just downloaded it, it chose the highest settings by default and ran flawlessly...
No issues there mate. (10+ 5G Australian Exynos model.)

senectus said:
just downloaded it, it chose the highest settings by default and ran flawlessly...
No issues there mate. (10+ 5G Australian Exynos model.)
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Thanks. What about people using the non 5G version (I assume the 5G Exynos chipset is different from the 4G one).

letzdoit said:
Thanks. What about people using the non 5G version (I assume the 5G Exynos chipset is different from the 4G one).
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I think only Modem is different between 5G and LTE variants of Exynos 9825 SOC and so performance of GPU should be similar between two if not same.
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note10+-9732.php

vinumsv said:
I think only Modem is different between 5G and LTE variants of Exynos 9825 SOC and so performance of GPU should be similar between two if not same.
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note10+-9732.php
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This is correct. Same GPU and RAM count, its just the antenna and modem that's different. (oh and it costs a lot more )

I know this is an exynos thread but pubg on Snapdragon is pretty good. Loads faster than note 9, rarely any lag wifi or 4g. In about 30 - 50 mins of game play lose about 10% battery.
Not bad I guess.
Carrier locked 256gb 10+ model

Note 10 snapdragon 855
Don't get the exynos version.. Extreme fps option is not there unless u put graphic on lower option.. If u want it for gaming get an iPhone or snapdragon

Is Mediatek chip is better than Snapdragon as redmi said?

We already saw all the performance of Mediatek chip, the performance is not better than snapdragon. But redmi claims that the mediatek chip is better than snapdragon 712. What do you guys think about this?

HarishMadhav said:
We already saw all the performance of Mediatek chip, the performance is not better than snapdragon. But redmi claims that the mediatek chip is better than snapdragon 712. What do you guys think about this?
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Of course, G90T is more powerfull than SD712...
CPU : Cortex A76 are better than Cortex A75 (Kryo 360 is a very slight customisation)
GPU : Mali G76mc4 is better than Adreno 616
RAM : 2133Mhz is better than 1866 (both lpddr4x dual Channel)
ISP : 3x MNFR up to 64MP are better than 2x MNFR up to 48MP.
Thinking the opposite is nothing but forejudgement...or troll.
Of course, you can find some apps that will run better on 712 (for exemple, emulators), but it's not a problem of power but of app's unoptimized code.

Not everything is all about specs, but about optimization and quality of sources, of which Mediatek is not famous at all. Broken sources, ROMs filled with bugs and etc. It would be great, if Mediatek would have forums like CAF, that would considerably boost development, but...
I once used Mediatek device and got fed up with it being completely locked and sources being broken completely. My opinion, though.

Just look at the Xiaomi Redmi Pro ( this one ). It came with android 6.0 and never received any further android update. I had that phone, and even though it had a 4000mAh battery with amoled display, it was not able to last even a day.... After that phone, I will never buy another one with mediatek soc...

Termi92 said:
Just look at the Xiaomi Redmi Pro ( this one ). It came with android 6.0 and never received any further android update. I had that phone, and even though it had a 4000mAh battery with amoled display, it was not able to last even a day.... After that phone, I will never buy another one with mediatek soc...
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Same here

Termi92 said:
Just look at the Xiaomi Redmi Pro ( this one ). It came with android 6.0 and never received any further android update. I had that phone, and even though it had a 4000mAh battery with amoled display, it was not able to last even a day.... After that phone, I will never buy another one with mediatek soc...
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But it's not like that this time, I easily get 9 hours SOT with gaming.

Battery life for me is VERY good. About to go to bed with 50% battery left with light use during the day and heavy use all evening.

Termi92 said:
Just look at the Xiaomi Redmi Pro ( this one ). It came with android 6.0 and never received any further android update. I had that phone, and even though it had a 4000mAh battery with amoled display, it was not able to last even a day.... After that phone, I will never buy another one with mediatek soc...
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My Redmi Note 8 Pro lasts for about a day and 10 hours mostly. At the end of the day there is almost 48% battery left. I'm much satisfied with its battery timings

HarishMadhav said:
We already saw all the performance of Mediatek chip, the performance is not better than snapdragon. But redmi claims that the mediatek chip is better than snapdragon 712. What do you guys think about this?
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I am very satisfied with Mediatek performance on this phone. I noticed big difference between Redmi note 7 that I have with Redmi note 8 pro that I have now.

Think things are different this time, the redmi N8 pro is a game changer this phone is awesome the battery life lasts all day power using and the phones a beast. i speed tested it against my sammy note 9 eight gig version and my Mi mix 3 eight gig version and it was neck and neck. But here we are a note 9 eight gig is a 1200$ phone and the mi mix 3 is a 450$ phone and a 240$ is running with them and the camera is outstanding better than the sammy n9 and the mm3 so dollars for dollars there's a big difference there.

same price as mi 9 lite...
i would go for the mi 9 lite

chenrp said:
same price as mi 9 lite...
i would go for the mi 9 lite
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Besides screen nothing is better on lite, right?

Foreal_Bruh said:
Besides screen nothing is better on lite, right?
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Not exactly
The snapdragon cpu is more supported over the years

New Nord or buy 7T

So Im buying a phone and was targeting the 7T and Galaxy S10 Lite. I'm a Call of Duty Mobile gamer and video watcher. The new Nord jumped into the equation. Trying to keep the price max $600 US.
What would you choose

You are here in a 7T forum. I guess the most people will tell you to take the 7T. You play games, so I would take the 7T because it has more power than OP nord.

The 7t is a good device. For gaming the sd855+ is a good choice. Way better then any lite phone's. Just saying.

Well Ive owned the S10 Lite and the 7t. And also play CODM. The 7T is the better phone IMHO. The only thing S10 Lite does better is battery life and its just a little better for my everyday use. (Some gaming , heavy web browsing)
Be warned though CODM crashes constantly on my 7T. Tons if complaints about it from other OP users . Rumored to be an Android 10 issue.
I never tried CODM on S10 Lite and Im also very interested in the new Nord.
One last thought.... The difference in gaming power is minimal between the Lite and 7T. Its the SD 855 vs SD 855+.... I doubt you would ever be able to tell the difference.

Question OP 9 Pro or S21 Ultra?

Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english

I had both in my cart and chose 9pro. I paid 800 usf for it. The s21 ultra is 1200 usd. The 9 pro has the same processor and everyone talked crap about the camera, but I think it's pretty good. They have same 5g processor. Samsung has micro sd slot which I got away from years ago. Samsungs touchwiz is something I don't care for after having 2 phones a s7edge and a note 10 very laggy(uses a lot of resources). If you want the best camera on a phone buy a nokia or Google phone.
I have also owned a 6t and 7tpro mclaren version phones.

At the current prices, I'd take the S21 Ultra. Having used both Samsung and OnePlus phones, I think Samsung provides a more polished product. I'm not saying that the OnePlus 9 Pro is a bad phone, but it doesn't seem like a good value compared to the competition at the moment. Heck, a brand new OnePlus 8 Pro is $599 through OnePlus right now and has virtually all the same qualities. The reports of overheating and unstable software don't help the 9 Pro either. If it gets a discounted price in the coming months, then it may be a more compelling option.

I'd probably take the Ultra. It's a better device all around, but to me it's a bit TOO big. Updates will be faster with the Ultra, Samsung has consistently been putting out monthly updates since the S10. The device will also be supported longer, if you keep your phones for a few years.

OP 9 pro. In my country Samsung sells s21 ultra with exynos processors So no thanks.. If it would have snapdragon I would've choosen s21 ultra

The main complaint about the Exynos is that it gets hotter. Well, the OP9 Pro overheats anyways, so there's no real difference. Oh, and people complain about the Exynos being 0.0xxx% slower, like they could actually feel the difference.

entropism said:
The main complaint about the Exynos is that it gets hotter. Well, the OP9 Pro overheats anyways, so there's no real difference. Oh, and people complain about the Exynos being 0.0xxx% slower, like they could actually feel the difference.
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Yeah I hear the exynos is just about as good as this year's 888 and it's almost impossible to tell the difference.

entropism said:
The main complaint about the Exynos is that it gets hotter. Well, the OP9 Pro overheats anyways, so there's no real difference. Oh, and people complain about the Exynos being 0.0xxx% slower, like they could actually feel the difference.
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I haven't had any problems with overheating of the OnePlus 9 pro yet. In what situations should this happen?

Both the Exynos and SD888 run hot and throttle. Here is a pretty good breakdown and comparison of the 2 chips: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16463/snapdragon-888-vs-exynos-2100-galaxy-s21-ultra
More worrisome for the Exynos is its weird clock behaviour, with the new chip really struggling in maintaining its peak frequencies other than for very brief moments – the Snapdragon 888’s X1 core had no such issues. My Exynos S21 Ultra chip bin was quite terrible here, but the better silicon on my second S21 doesn’t improve things too much either.
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Basically, the Exynos can run as well as the SD888 in terms of peak performance, but that's partially because Samsung is running it overclocked and it gets HOT. Yes, the SD888 gets hot and throttles, but the Exynos gets hotter sooner, drains battery, and the GPU just sucks (and equally power hungry).

Thanks to everybody for your help. I've decided by S21 Ultra because of the price. Here un Argentina i can get it for less money.
I'm a Oneplus follower but this time, my wallet choose.

As a person that has owned an S21 Ultra since it was launched in the USA, I would choose the OP 9 Pro. I have just ordered one through tmobile and can't wait!
Personally, the S21 Ultra was primarily used for youtube vanced, browsing, and as a business cell. I highly value the software and prefer OP's Oxygen OS over OneUI, hence why I'm replacing the S21 Ultra.
Both phones are great and you can't go wrong with either, but software matters the most to me and I didn't think I'd miss OOS as much as I have.

I know OP already made the decision.
Here in the US the OnePlus is cheaper.
I found a mint 9 Pro for $900 with the original receipt and unused buds.
The S21 ultra is about $1000. But can't be rooted unless I spend $150 for a bootloader unlock. That makes it more than $1300 because I have to pay tax on the phone.
Too rich for my blood.

Samsung with Exynox, NO !
Samsung full of Bloatware! Bleah! Oxygen is one of the cleanest Android OS.
I saw many reviews about camera with S21ultra & OnePlu 9 pro. S21 is better, but not by a lot.

I prefer the the OnePlus here in the usa and the Global 7pro, 8pro, 9pro have worked out well for me with T-Mobile!

Actually I prefer the camera of the OP9 Pro over the Mi11 Ultra and the S21 Ultra. The other two might be better for you if you need 10x Zoom very often.
OS and updates? Samsung has quick updates as well, but Oxygen OS from OnePlus is just so clean and close to stock imo. Xiaomis MIUI is pretty good as well - though I had so many bugs on my mi10 pro which haven't been fixed. And they don't update that often or the OTA doesn't work that well - I was on October 2020's android security version until April 2021.
Charging and battery: OnePlus and Xiaomi charge much faster than Samsung. Battery life is probably really close between those 3.
Rooting the Samsung will break Knox with all it's downsides. A lot depends on your preferences but I would go with the OnePlus.

HEROEdelREVES said:
Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english
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Depends. Are you an Android lover or a nonce. ?

In my country
S21U no warranty imported Snap888 (256GB not 128GB) = 1,014 USD
S21U retail 1yr warranty Exynos = 826 USD
OP9P no warranty imported RAM8/256GB = 839 USD
OP9P retail soon (nearly into the market)

HEROEdelREVES said:
Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english
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HEROEdelREVES said:
Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english
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9 pro over exynos s21U. Coz exynos sux, oneui is another meh. software is pretty meh on samsung after android 11. If you getting sd s21U then maibe. If you more concerned on the camera than anything else then go for samsung

Don't Leave out the charging speed.
50w wireless.., not many phones does that with cable plug in.
65w cable charging, is even faster. Awesome.