So just got the phone a couple days ago... And im trying to figure out why im stuck in NTSC frame rates.
Im from the UK so obviously i prefer the look of 25FPS and when i do content I work in 25 fps.
It really seems strange that the cameras are arbitrarily locked to US frame rates.
Is there anyway to get 25fps?
NutsyUK said:
It really seems strange that the cameras are arbitrarily locked to US frame rates.
Is there anyway to get 25fps?
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Yes can be annoying. Cannot change it in the stock camera APP AFAIK. But other apps like Open Camera for example will allow you to set the FPS to 25fps.
It's likely just not as important as it once was... Unless you are specifically playing back on a older interlaced television set, than the chances are that item you are watching the video back on will support it regardless..
i.e Most phone, laptop and PC screens are running at 60hz, and most TV's will handle 24/25/30 fps intervals without issues these days.
Most people are uploading to youtube or online where by 30/60fps make more sense. 25fps is a leftover from the interlaced broadcast TV days. So the only difference it would make is if you shoot at 30fps and then need to broadcast it at 25fps, in which case you would have 3:2 pulldown.
The standard camera app does allow flicker/banding to be set to 50hz/60hz/Auto thus not to have strobing light issues.
But is there a specific reason you want to shoot 25fps and not 24/30/60?
Having worked in video production for much of my working life, I cant say i fully agree. While sure 30fps is common thats only because most content on youtube is from the americas where 30fps was common
It isnt just a hang on from the interlaced days either. A lot of american shows were actually shot on film at 24 and 25fps and then upsampled to 29.97 fps (or there abouts) 24 and 25fps have a more filmic and natural flow than 30/60.
Even today nearly all dramas and filmic shows in america are filmed at 24 and 25fps. With only soaps and news hanging onto 30fps.
Ive also tried open camera, even though the "option" is there, when i watch the footage it comes back at 30fps.
So its like its baked into the hardware encoder. Its really stupid though. Its not like its a limitation of hardware, not being capable of producing that frame rate because its too complex... Its as if just a config option or api is missing.
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While sure 30fps is common thats only because most content on youtube is from the americas where 30fps was common
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I'm from Australia where we also use PAL25FPS, because of 50hz electricity same as you in the UK, but any PC screen or monitor or phone for the last however many decades default is 60hz. Which is why 30/60/120fps makes more sense all around the world.
If YouTube was a British TV program being broadcast on TV, than 25fps would make more sense. But because it's being viewed on monitors, phones, laptops, tablets etc, than 30fps ensures no extra/interpolated/missed frames etc.
Even today nearly all dramas and filmic shows in america are filmed at 24 and 25fps. With only soaps and news hanging onto 30fps.
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Motion pictures have always been shot at 24fps, but TV in PAL countries has indeed been shot at 25fps, while US (NTSC) TV shows are shot @ 30fps.
I've also tried open camera, even though the "option" is there, when I watch the footage it comes back at 30fps.
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Ahh, I didn't actually test it, I just remember the setting... GCAM ports will definitely let you shoot [email protected] (as well as 30/60).
So its like its baked into the hardware encoder. Its really stupid though. Its not like its a limitation of hardware, not being capable of producing that frame rate because its too complex... Its as if just a config option or api is missing.
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I agree the option would be good. But at the same time it's likely not as important as it once was. Many years ago I required 25fps for broadcast TV, but these days it's simply not required. I cannot really see a use case where it matters anymore.
It really is a leftover from interlaced fields, and now days screens are capable of progressive scan.
If you are intending on shooting for broadcast TV with this phone (which seems odd) you no doubt would be editing in post, and thus would convert the 24/30/60fps footage to match your 25fps timeline in post, which would automatically do a 3:2 pulldown or pullup to convert the frames anyway.
If they did offer 25fps, there would be lots of complaints from people wondering why their footage is stuttering and jumping, when played back on their phone, PC, Chromecast, Youtube etc... Which I think is why they don't like to offer it.
Sadly even the best 3:2 pulldown can cause ghosting and artifacts, but I also plan to do some VFX as well, so for things like tracking thats a real killer...
Also im sorry youre wrong many shows in america (assuming they expect to sell internationally) always shoot at 25. Startrek for instance was shot at 25fps on 35mm.
And also when rendering out FX sequences, that extra 5 frames per second really add up.
Id rather keep to 25 for the aesthetics, and the ease of workflow.
I wonder if the framerate is something baked into the firmware of the camera hardware.
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Hi guys,
I currently have a Nokia 6600, from the factory its video recording software is naff, however I simply downloaded some new software that upgraded its recording time etc.
I have an XDA 2s arriving tomorrow, just wondering if there's anything out there that'll allow 30fps recording, or better resolution etc? or even lower resolution with higher frame rate?
Many thanks!
resolution and fps are hardware desided by the chip
at times you can lower the resolution and get better fps
that repend on how the chip handle refresh
nothing can give a true larger resolution then what the chip support
all phones (i know off) use cmos cam chips and i've never seen any results from any of those which would quality as anything your topic name would imply
colours are never as good as ccd
fps are never as good as ccd
image stability is never as good as ccd
ccd is what real digi cams use
they use lots more power then cmos which is why they are being used
and they cost much less to make
rudegar, Youre right on the resolution, but afaik the framerate is not completely chip dependent. Where the chip limits possibilities, the cpu does too. Quality is the result of (next to colour etc) resolution & framerate. in other words: Data-troughput & data compression.
Given the limitations of the chip & cpu I can imagine to get ie. a higher framerate using a lower resolution.
Thanks for your replies, I did guess that the resolution was chip/cmos dependent - but as other chap says, the framerate is down to the capture software, which is why I'm wondering whether someone has tweaked this yet? even to squeeze 25fps?
Is this something anyone could try with the manufacturers software, or is it not available as open release yet?
One other performance limiter to consider is the speed of the storage medium being written to... and SD is quite slow in the general scheme of things.
Dear Desire users, it's no doubt that one of the points of getting Desire is to use for movies playback, what's your best conversion setting found so far for SMOOTH and HIGH REG. playback?
I've tried various settings and found
Resolution: 720p
Avg. Video Bitrate: 3000k (2500k runs a bit smoother but with noticeable lower picture quality)
Avg. Audio Bitrate: 192k
running pretty well on short HD movie trailer. (just a slight lag while playing w/ HTC album)
Yet, I found Act1 player plays the same file a little bit smoother, is it my illusion?
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Resolution: 720p
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If you are converting movies specifically to run on your Desire, why bother with 720p when the screen doesn't support that resolution?
I can only really understand it if you are converting for use on other devices that do support that resolution and don't want to duplicate the effort.
Regards,
Dave
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If you are converting movies specifically to run on your Desire, why bother with 720p when the screen doesn't support that resolution?
I can only really understand it if you are converting for use on other devices that do support that resolution and don't want to duplicate the effort.
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Dave
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valid point Dave, however, some HD video sources I got got some real "wide" resolutions, such as 1280x532, having the aspect ratio of 2.406, the clip ended up with two black bar on the top and bottom of the screen, that's why I would choose to encode into 720p so that I would got much lost while Zooming in while watching~
besides, I've tried to encoded the same file with same bitrate (3000k), the file size only dropped from 59mb to 57mb, I don't know the reason but I guess the machine speed quite similar effort in rendering both clips right?
please drop some more thoughts guys!
I use the Nexus One defaults from Any DVD Converter:
x264
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1200kbps
25fps
1 encode pass
AAC
128kbps/44kHz
Converting from 1080p source. Looks awesome. Wouldn't bother with higher bitrates, personally.
Daern
Isn't a 3000k bitrate massive overkill for a phone anyway?
I encode my video to iPod Touch presets on Handbrake, so my wife can use the same files on her iPod.
Playing these videos on the Desire is more than adequate visually even at a much lower than native resolution (for my needs at least) and the total bitrate is usually between 550kbps and 600kbps.
Regards,
Dave
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I use the Nexus One defaults from Any DVD Converter:
x264
800x480
1200kbps
25fps
1 encode pass
AAC
128kbps/44kHz
Converting from 1080p source. Looks awesome. Wouldn't bother with higher bitrates, personally.
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I personally wouldnt bother with converting. My crummy pentium m laptop wouldnt be able to convert it in a satisfying timeframe anyway.
still hoping that one point in the future a better ndk which would allow access to the gpu video acceleration will allow spiffy stuff like hd video (through coreplayer maybe)
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Dear Desire users, it's no doubt that one of the points of getting Desire is to use for movies playback...
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Don't watch any movies on my PHONE, nor play music - it was never a point of me getting it so that statement is a bit off
Watching a film on a tiny screen is the last thing I want to do - besides, battery would die in a couple of hours
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I use the Nexus One defaults from Any DVD Converter:
x264
800x480
1200kbps
25fps
1 encode pass
AAC
128kbps/44kHz
Converting from 1080p source. Looks awesome. Wouldn't bother with higher bitrates, personally.
Daern
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Dear Daern & Dave, I admit using 3000k is just kinda trying to test how far the Desire could take, smart people saying that even though the phone can handle it, the battery won't stay long for running massive data, 1200kbps might be just fine for the balance between quality/battery life. but besides battery life, it's absolutely glad to see our Desire could render a 3000k 720p video (without almost un-noticeable flame drops - tested with "bare-eye"). it's impressive. (while my Blackstone could only take around 700-900kbps.
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Isn't a 3000k bitrate massive overkill for a phone anyway?
I encode my video to iPod Touch presets on Handbrake, so my wife can use the same files on her iPod.
Playing these videos on the Desire is more than adequate visually even at a much lower than native resolution (for my needs at least) and the total bitrate is usually between 550kbps and 600kbps.
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Dave
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Don't watch any movies on my PHONE, nor play music - it was never a point of me getting it so that statement is a bit off
Watching a film on a tiny screen is the last thing I want to do - besides, battery would die in a couple of hours
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Dear EddyOS, since there aren't too much driving in a tiny place like Hong Kong, movies/favorite TV shows could actually do me some good while riding on a train or bus. Meanwhile, catching some clips in the bath room while handling "big" business is also good.
yet, I have to admit that, I've been surfing multiple Android websites for news and tweaks, and Froyo whenever I got time. hoping that one day I would jump into a web telling me HTC had released its Froyo update for our new (but already old) Desire.
Hola everyone.
So got my HOX last Friday, and been loving my phone. However, I decided to test the video recording capabilities.
I went to a nearby starbucks and just randomly recorded people passing by and I do notice slight jittering sometimes. So I decided to check the framerate with MX Player.
To my surprise, it says 1920x1080 @ 60fps! (well 59.xxxxx). Granted, it was a really well lit starbucks but even then.. I remember the camera only being able to record at 30fps?
Then I came back, and I'm in my room now and it's 7.30pm. So I decided to try again. I pointed my camera at my room light and started recording. I focused on the light so everything surrounding the light is just pitch black. This way I can get higher fps (light is way bright, hence faster shutter speed, theoretically more fps).
Then I checked and it shows @ 30fps? @[email protected]
I recorded another video, this time at a pitch black pc monitor. Fps dropped to an expected 14.xx fps.
Is the HOX camera really capable of recording [email protected] if it's bright enough? I don't know but that's what the file properties is telling me. Anyone experience the inconsistent to sometimes record at 30fps and sometimes at 60fps?
No one has experienced this? >.<
nope
i see min 6mbps, max10mbps and fps between 19 (yes, even in daylight!) and 29
in the evening (lowlight outside) i get 14 fps
the quality is really good though (lighting and noise wise) but the bitrate sucks.
fps is a tradeoff with exposure though in lowlight.
Hmm, then I'm not sure why I see some of my recorded videos showing at 60fps. Will record more in daylight tomorrow and will do more analysis.
That's maybe a tegra3 issue. Tegra2 has the same issue. Let's see AT&T version with Krait processor...
I can vouch for this, I also saw it on a couple of videos and I was just as surprised, I assumed it was a software glitch.
Will try to take a picture of it if stumble upon it again.
I've never been able to reproduce 60fps again after I created this thread... >.<
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I've never been able to reproduce 60fps again after I created this thread... >.<
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Do you still have a 60 fps video? Can you upload one?
Could it be possible that you accidentally recorded a slowmo 60 fps video instead of a normal one?
i think only the htc video player will play these in slowmo and others might call it 60 fps vids,
also bs player showed me two movies at a ridiculous frame rate of 1800+ fps hence why it could not use the svp plugin on it to double the frame rate...
of course that mp classic showed it as 24 fps and was capable of using the svp on it.
could be a video analasys glitch by mx player.
and yet video is jittery on the hox. on aosp too.
the overall video is smooth but with little stutters.
Hello folks,
I have had my Note 2 for a couple of days now and almost immediately noticed something strange. There is a VERY subtle flickering of the white and light grey areas of the screen. A very high frequency flicker, almost like I can see the refresh rate of the screen. My initial suspicion was that the refresh rate was lower than 60hz. So, I downloaded the app called Android System Info, and sure enough, under display, it was being reported that the refresh rate of the screen is 58hz. I got another friend with a Note 2 to confirm the same thing. My GS3 reports 60hz, and so does my friends HTC One S. So my question is, why is the refresh rate on the Note 2 not 60hz? Is this an intrinsic hardware limitation? Or can this be changed with software? My eyes can definitely notice the 2 less frames per second, I was using a GS3 since June, and switching to the Note, I immediately noticed the refresh rate was lower. Why? This is very strange to me. There are many videos on YouTube with the Note 2 and GS3 on the screen at the same time, and sometimes there is banding interference on one phone and not the other, meaning obviously the phones are running different refresh rates. Now I know the Note 2 refresh rate is lower, why? And is there anyway to change it with software?
Thanks much!
first, i think u should get yr note2 to warranty,
second, u sure yr eyes can differentiate 58hz and 60hz......?
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first, i think u should get yr note2 to warranty,
second, u sure yr eyes can differentiate 58hz and 60hz......?
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It is EXTREMELY subtle, almost a non issue, so I doubt warranty will even say anything is wrong. I can notice it on all the demo models i've seen, so I doubt it has anything to do with my phone.
I have confirmed on 3 different Note 2s, the reported refresh rate in the app 'Android System Info' is 58hz. While all other phones I have used report 60hz.
I just find this so strange that maybe someone has a great explanation as to why this is the case. And maybe someone can dig deeper than I can and figure out if this is in the OS or an intrinsically hardware thing. I wish I had the email of a Samsung engineer who worked on the design of this phone, would love their take on why this is the case. 58hz is just such a strange refresh rate.
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It is EXTREMELY subtle, almost a non issue, so I doubt warranty will even say anything is wrong. I can notice it on all the demo models i've seen, so I doubt it has anything to do with my phone.
I have confirmed on 3 different Note 2s, the reported refresh rate in the app 'Android System Info' is 58hz. While all other phones I have used report 60hz.
I just find this so strange that maybe someone has a great explanation as to why this is the case. And maybe someone can dig deeper than I can and figure out if this is in the OS or an intrinsically hardware thing. I wish I had the email of a Samsung engineer who worked on the design of this phone, would love their take on why this is the case. 58hz is just such a strange refresh rate.
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you are the man, mate, my eyes cant even differentiate 50 and 60 Hz, for all my note2 experience, i cant see any unusual on the screen.
But for the 58hz issue, i think its not quite a strange thing for me, it reminds me when i was using CRT monitor(or early lcd?), it always can set the refresh rate to 58hz or 60hz, but it might like u say a hardware or driver problem, hope u can contact with samsung engineer and tell us the answer
I suppose the app might be reading the values of somewhere not actually measuring it or something ! Correct me if am wrong .
this is interesting. i also notice a subtle flicker of the screen. it's annoying in some lighting. i don't notice it on other phones.. it's definitely seems like the refresh rate is a bit slower than it should be.
The refresh rate is correlated with the resolution and the main base clock which feeds the display controller, in this case 1280 * 720 * 58Hz = ~54Mhz plus some margins for which are too long to describe, which gives them a target frequency of about 54MHz for a 16 divider of the 880MHz base clock. That's the main reason of the 58 vs 60 Hz difference.
But the reason you're seeing flickering might be completely unrelated to that and caused by some odd much lower timings in the display settings. Maybe a developer with the device could test it out by changing them.
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The refresh rate is correlated with the resolution and the main base clock which feeds the display controller, in this case 1280 * 720 * 58Hz = ~54Mhz plus some margins for which are too long to describe, which gives them a target frequency of about 54MHz for a 16 divider of the 880MHz base clock. That's the main reason of the 58 vs 60 Hz difference.
But the reason you're seeing flickering might be completely unrelated to that and caused by some odd much lower timings in the display settings. Maybe a developer with the device could test it out by changing them.
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Thanks for that information, it's great technical info I've been looking for. So it's basically a ratio/multiplier of some clock speed in the hardware. But now my question is, why would the Note 2 be any different than a GS3? I would think they have relatively the same hardware, and resolution on both screens is the same, so why would the refresh rates differ? Just seems to me that 58hz is not an ideal refresh rate. I mean, the main reason there is a trend towards 120hz TVs these days is because both movies (24 fps) and TV (30 fps) are evenly divisible into 120. Whereas with a 60hz TV, there is a remainder on 24, so movies do not interpolate as smoothly. With 58hz, no recorded content I can think of divides evenly into it, always making interpolation less smooth. Again, in my mind, 58hz is just silly, why not just give me the extra 2hz!! Doesn't make sense to me.
Final question. Would there be any way with software to change the refresh rate? Or is this set in stone at the hardware level?
I have an issue with this as well - I'm getting either fairly heavy frame skipping in any 8 or 16 bit emulator with frame skipping set to auto, or sound skipping with frame skipping turned off. I suspect this is because of the odd refresh rate with the app expecting 60hz and only running at 58 in reality, causing either the video or audio to run out of sync and needing to skip the two frames here and there to catch up. If the emulators could slow down the audio speed to match the slower video speed, it wouldn't be an issue.... but this shouldn't be the problem of the emu authors.
This happens with no other applications installed on a brand new phone. I've also installed clean rom and perseus kernel, no change. Power settings are all off, nothing is hitting my CPU to cause the frameskipping and it's very consistent, which leans towards the refresh rate causing the issues. Anyone know anything more about this? What a pain...
I am a traffic cop and I can definitely tell the difference between a car going 58mph and one going 60mph.
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I am a traffic cop and I can definitely tell the difference between a car going 58mph and one going 60mph.
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I'm a noob and I don't know what "stuttering" is
But seriously, it's not like a mobile device should be able to emulate another system anyway, am i rite? Just use it for phone calls and internet browsing...
i think the reason why the refresh rate between gs3 and note2 is different due to both are using different lcd even though some of the hardware is the same.
even though the diff is small but it still incur some major hiccup where the frame skip especially with project butter where they keep the ui at 60fps.
maybe we can email to samsung engineer and they can take a look at it.
It's a bit frustrating that none of the major streaming devices (Fire TV, Apple TV, Chromecast, etc) support 24 Hz video output, and this despite indications that the video chips used by these devices are fully capable of it. It's as if no one working at Amazon, Apple, or Google care a lick about video quality and preserving the native frame rate of most films (24 fps). Hell, the Boxee Box supported 24 Hz output. From what I've heard the Roku Stick does as well, though I'd love it on a device a bit more open such as the very hackable Fire TV. Which leads me to my question; have there have been any in roads made in unlocking 24 Hz video output with the rootable Fire TV?
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It's a bit frustrating that none of the major streaming devices (Fire TV, Apple TV, Chromecast, etc) support 24 Hz video output, and this despite indications that the video chips used by these devices are fully capable of it. It's as if no one working at Amazon, Apple, or Google care a lick about video quality and preserving the native frame rate of most films (24 fps). Hell, the Boxee Box supported 24 Hz output. From what I've heard the Roku Stick does as well, though I'd love it on a device a bit more open such as the very hackable Fire TV. Which leads me to my question; have there have been any in roads made in unlocking 24 Hz video output with the rootable Fire TV?
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im at a loss here, what is the problem? i have seen a wide variety of video formats and have yet to have a single problem. i assume the firetv is running at 60hz? i may be wrong but that means it can play anything from 1 to 60 hz smoothly. so whats the big deal? if anything running a higher hz would mean a smoother animation?
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im at a loss here, what is the problem? i have seen a wide variety of video formats and have yet to have a single problem. i assume the firetv is running at 60hz? i may be wrong but that means it can play anything from 1 to 60 hz smoothly. so whats the big deal? if anything running a higher hz would mean a smoother animation?
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no offense, but I was actually going to make a comment in my original post along the lines of, "if you don't know what 24 Hz output (24p) is or why it's important, then don't bother responding". Obviously nothing against you personally, it's just that I've seen 24hz/24p related threads on other forums (Plex, Roku, etc) and they quickly get sidetracked into an explanation of its benefits and why it's important. Google is your friend for that.
But just to summarize, most movies (and even many modern TV shows) are filmed at 24 progressive frames per second. When outputting a native 24 Hz video at 60 Hz, the device must fill in the gaps to "magically" create 60 frames/second out of just 24. And since 60 is not an even multiple of 24, the process is far from ideal. This results in judder or non-smooth playback, which is most noticeable during slow panning scenes (can also be seen quite easily on scrolling credits). If you find yourself saying "well every video I've played looks good". Well, this is case of "ignorance is bliss". Watch a movie on a projector at 24 Hz or a 120Hz TV that accepts 24p input (120 is a nice multiple of 24, so each frame needs to be merely replicated 5x) and you'll see the difference with your own two eyes.
well at least you said no offense...
but IF the hardware is capable, unlocking 24hz shouldnt be a problem IF they manage to make custom roms for it
*i just watched a blueray on my 72hz monitor (3x 24) and then changed it to 60hz, sadly i saw nothing different, perhaps my fast computer does a better job at rendering. guess its one of those things that videophiles can detect that a normal guy cant xD
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no offense, but I was actually going to make a comment in my original post along the lines of, "if you don't know what 24 Hz output (24p) is or why it's important, then don't bother responding". Obviously nothing against you personally, it's just that I've seen 24hz/24p related threads on other forums (Plex, Roku, etc) and they quickly get sidetracked into an explanation of its benefits and why it's important. Google is your friend for that.
But just to summarize, most movies (and even many modern TV shows) are filmed at 24 progressive frames per second. When outputting a native 24 Hz video at 60 Hz, the device must fill in the gaps to "magically" create 60 frames/second out of just 24. And since 60 is not an even multiple of 24, the process is far from ideal. This results in judder or non-smooth playback, which is most noticeable during slow panning scenes (can also be seen quite easily on scrolling credits). If you find yourself saying "well every video I've played looks good". Well, this is case of "ignorance is bliss". Watch a movie on a projector at 24 Hz or a 120Hz TV that accepts 24p input (120 is a nice multiple of 24, so each frame needs to be merely replicated 5x) and you'll see the difference with your own two eyes.
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I have Amazon Fre TV and Minix neo x7. Minix x7 have 24hz output and video plays smooth without jitter or stuttering. On Amazon Fire TV all videos have jitter and stuttering this can be seen when picture is moving slowly from left to right and wise versa. I though that it's problem with with my Fire TV because I'm from UK and I bought Fire TV from USA. If I change refresh rate on Minix to 60hz I see the same jitter and stuttering.
*i just watched a blueray on my 72hz monitor (3x 24) and then changed it to 60hz, sadly i saw nothing different, perhaps my fast computer does a better job at rendering. guess its one of those things that videophiles can detect that a normal guy cant xD
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Its not only the one refresh per frame that makes the movies so smooth when outputting with 24Hz.
Depending on your TV, it also smoothes the motions (inserting calculated frames between the movies frames) when the signal is appropriate (e.g. 24Hz).
Outputting at 60Hz, and probably even into the DVI-HDMI, usually results in the TV just showing the 60Hz it gets.
Oh btw did you use a movie player which allows to sync the movie to the refresh rate like MediaPlayerClassic HomeCinema?
I´m pretty sure the result wouldn´t have differed much though: 24fps, being in sync or not, are simply not enough for smooth playback of motion.
The Hobbit movies for example were filmed in 48fps (HFR(-3D)). This way one was able to see smooth motion even in the cinema. For home use you only get to buy 24fps BluRays - but your (reasonable good) TV does the smoothening on the 24Hz signal it gets from your BluRay player.