i am currently fully stock(bootloader locked) is there any way to install and use viper4android? without unlocking bootloader or without rooting(magisk)? i will install a custom recovery eventually but viper4android is the most important thing right now. I have been using V4A on whyred(RN5Pro) and i cant live without it now.
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Hi guys,
In few days i'm gonna get 10 in my hands!
To get my level of user experience from m7 and m8 i would need a few things including:
- some modules from xposed,
- recovery from titatnium backup.
Normally on m7 and m8 i would go s-off ( got a sunshine for m8), root and flash some custom rom,
but seeing all this mumbo jumbo with 10 i would like to stick for a while to stock rom and just
include some modules from xposed and recover my data from Titanium Backup.
So unlocking bootloader and getting at least a systemless root is the only way? or perhaps you hav some other insight to get it done?
Thanks in advance.
Hello everyone,
It's been a while since I've posted here, and I'm very very late to the party since HTC took its sweet time to bring the 10 to my country. Now I've finally got the phone (for entirely free through a corporate discount), and I'd like to do this properly, now. The key thing is that throughout all these steps, I want to maintain functionality of Android Pay. I have a few questions as well.
First, I'd like to S-OFF/unlock the bootloader. I tried entering bootloader mode (volume down + power keys) and noticed that there are a few new modes on this phone compared to my old M8, like Download Mode. What is it?
Next, I'd like to achieve systemless root - I understand this is entirely possible through the latest SuperSU.
Then, I would like systemless Xposed functionality. While searching around, I noticed a few new words thrown around like Magisk. What is it, and how do I get 'systemless Xposed'?
I'd like Adaway on my phone, and I believe it modifies the hosts file once again located in /system. Any way to work around this? Not to mention another couple of ad-blocking Xposed modules.
Next up, I'd like to install the AcoustiX audio mod. Not sure if that doesn't modify system files, once again.
Finally, I hope to remove some of the gapps like Play Music and Play Movies, and install the older HTC bundled apps.
Would any of the above conflict with Android Pay? How do I go about starting, and where do I look for more information for my questions (answers welcome too)?
Thanks in advance.
1. S-off, SunShine app or hardware solution like xtc2clip; why do you need S-off?
2. My SuperSU said systemless when it installed
3. http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
4. Good question; I'm curious also
5. I never messed with audio stuff; sure that's better than what htc provides?
6. Titanium Backup
Okay, so first of all I have a Verizon variant. I unlocked the bootloader/s-off with sunshine. Apparently you don't need to unlock the bootloader when you have s-off. I don't know why or how that works... I unlocked the BL anyways. You'll have to wipe your data if you do that. Just read up on that bit.
After that, you can install TWRP and do a full backup. Make sure you save that somewhere.
If you screw something up I think you can just RUU back to a working state. I think...
As far as Magisk... It's amazing. It's essentially a way for developers to make any flashable zip type mod systemless. To the end user it works similar to Xposed. You flash the framework in recovery (it won't modify the system, that's the whole point) and then you have an app to manage the framework and all your mods.
For example I have a Magisk mod that replaces my HTC dialer and contacts with Google's dialer and contacts (like a nexus). If I want to go back I just uncheck the mod in the app and reboot. HTC apps are back.
If you don't need SuperSU specifically, root can be achieved directly through Magisk with phh's superuser mod for Magisk. So the process would be:
1) download Magisk zip
2) download Magisk manager app
3) download phh's superuser for Magisk (Magisk manager won't function without some type of su)
**All of these can be found through the Magisk XDA thread
4) reboot to recovery and flash Magisk zip THEN flash phh's superuser mod for Magisk
5) reboot to system and install the phh's superuser app from the play store
6)install the Magisk manager apk from earlier
7)from within the Magisk app you can install Xposed as a Magisk mod. It's in the repository. Just install it and reboot. Boom, Xposed. If you want to disable it just uncheck it and reboot. Magisk mods work like Xposed mods so you can disable the entirety of Xposed in the same way you could enable/disable individual Xposed mods before (this is really useful if you have apps like Snapchat that won't work if you have Xposed installed). Another note is that you need to use the material Xposed installer. The old Xposed installer don't support systemless i don't think.
But yeah, good luck. I've found that systemless is a better way to go. For me I just like it because it's more organized. I can disable and enable whatever I want. I will mention though, don't expect Android pay to work. Magisk used to be used to make Android pay work on rooted and Xposed phones. It's moved away from that. It can still be done but it's a constant battle and it's not worth it. I'm not sure if I answered all the questions because I'm on mobile and I can't see the rest of the thread while km typing but yeah.. good luck man. Magisk is a great tool.
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Update: you can use SuperSU with Magisk but be careful with how it installs. I don't know how to force it to install systemlessly.
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elite001mm said:
Apparently you don't need to unlock the bootloader when you have s-off. I don't know why or how that works...
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S-off unlocks the same partitions as unlocking the bootloader does...and then some (all?).
http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/about_unlock_process
and
http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/faq
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. ... Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
Security is on by default for good reasons. There are partitions such as hboot which controls access to all other partitions which if made fully accessible could compromise security and very possibly allow for irreversible changes that could render your device inoperable.
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S-off unlocks the same partitions as unlocking the bootloader does...and then some (all?).
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S-off + BL unlock means you can do whatever the hell you want (hboot, radios, CID, etc). So you need to know what you're doing before you flash something.
A simple bootloader unlock allows you to flash ROMs and kernels and recoveries.
These two things I understand... But...
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What I don't understand is this (there's a post by jcase about it but I can't find it): When sunshine first came out for this phone, everyone was recommending to just perform s-off locked instead of s-off unlocked. I forget what the benefit was (I think it may have been avoiding the encryption corruption thing) but essentially from what I understood there was no downside to the locked bootloader.
Perhaps s-off just overrides everything but I didn't think that's how it worked. I've been away from HTC for a while and I'm not the most knowledgeable person anyways. I know enough not to break my phones but I remember back from the M8 days everyone wanted/needed s-off and the BL unlocked so I just went ahead and did that. I flash firmwares and radios and stuff so I didn't want to run into a roadblock in the future.
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elite001mm said:
S-off + BL unlock means you can do whatever the hell you want (hboot, radios, CID, etc). So you need to know what you're doing before you flash something.
A simple bootloader unlock allows you to flash ROMs and kernels and recoveries.
These two things I understand... But...
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What I don't understand is this (there's a post by jcase about it but I can't find it): When sunshine first came out for this phone, everyone was recommending to just perform s-off locked instead of s-off unlocked. I forget what the benefit was (I think it may have been avoiding the encryption corruption thing) but essentially from what I understood there was no downside to the locked bootloader.
Perhaps s-off just overrides everything but I didn't think that's how it worked. I've been away from HTC for a while and I'm not the most knowledgeable person anyways. I know enough not to break my phones but I remember back from the M8 days everyone wanted/needed s-off and the BL unlocked so I just went ahead and did that. I flash firmwares and radios and stuff so I didn't want to run into a roadblock in the future.
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S-Off Unlocked = more restrictions.
S-Off Locked = less restrictions.
I know it's very backwards, but I believe that's the biggest advantage.
Personally, I changed my splash screen and flashed another hboot without the stupid red text on boot.
What about the newest Android Safety net issues around Unlocked bootloaders. If we setup our phone as S-off Locked, will it pass the safety net test? Ive read that the newest update is starting to fail on phones that aren't even rooted but have unlocked bootloader.
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SRSR333 said:
Would any of the above conflict with Android Pay? How do I go about starting, and where do I look for more information for my questions (answers welcome too)?
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I've got a brand new unlocked HTC 10 with unlocked bootloader, TWRP, S-OFF, root (through flashing the latest SuperSU), and xposed also. Android Pay no worky :/
With all this garbage about blocking rooted users from games like Pokemon Go. I was wondering if dual booting could be a solution. Is it possible to dual boot with one stock ROM and no root to play the games on and then the other a custom ROM rooted for everyday phone use? I am assuming some type of partitioning would be required to keep SafetyNet from scanning the custom rooted ROM on the device. Is this possible does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about doing it?
Pokémon Go doesn't work with Magisk systemless root?
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Pokémon Go doesn't work with Magisk systemless root?
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No not anymore not since the last two updates to SafetyNet over the last couple weeks.
There is a MultiROM out there, just try it out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/mod-multirom-33a-twrp3-0-2-t3463838
I recently ran into a lot of problems due to the fact vr 12 of magisk and the new update to safetynet. I have read that tbe developer of magisk realeased a new version to pass checks. I need to pass as I am an Uber user and in default need Android pay.
I have since tried to go back to stock but ran into problems regarding unlocking my bootloader, currently I am completely stock although my bootloader is unlocked and I can't pass the safetynet check with the new parameters.
I NEED to pass safety net on this device, I don't know what to do, when I lock my bootloader I'm unable to sideload the ROM, with the device unlocked I fail safetynet, will the latest version of magisk work (v13b) with an unlocked bootloader, as my device was soft bricked for 3 days after I locked the bootloader.
Thank you in an advance for any insight on this. Currently I am on stock recovery and unrooted but it seams with the unlocked bootloader I am unable to pass safety net thus unable to use Android pay and subsequently unable to book rides with Uber/Lyft.
Thanks in advance for your help
Sorry I forgot to say I'm running stock recovery and ROM only my bootloader is unlocked, I tried to lock it but adb would not sideload the stock ROM after locking the bootloader. Right now i an as stock as I can be ****
Without a locked bootloader, I don't care if my device is rooted or not I just want to pass the safety net check, I'm failing CTS mismatch, I don't know why after factory resetting my device, why google is doing this IDK I just need to get my device working 100 percent, rooted or not at this point I don't care.
Thank you for your future reply and thank you again if you have helped me before, this is a nightmare, why google is doing this Idk but I funny believe it's in anyone's best interest except possibly but business.
Quick google search for magisk beta version 13. His newest beta passes safetynet, and i believe he claims its easy to fix in the future as well
I believe you need a custom kernel that bypasses the Safety Net boot-loader check.
If you want to completely go back to stock (and pass safety net) follow this guide: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-3-3t-and-go-back-completely-to-stock.456232/
Magisk 13 BETA or wait for stable.
I previously tried to go completely to stock but ran into problems after locking the bootloader,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/help/tried-to-to-stock-adb-error-read-file-t3621902
As I would be fine with that, I prefer using magisk so I suppose I'll go with that,
What kernel is recommended? I was thinking blu-spark or franko as afaik they work?
After I lock my bootloader I ran into problems, adb would recognize my device along with fastboot although, it would not side load the ROM, so I guess my only option is magisk, I just need to find,
Correct kernel, best version of TWRP recovery (I used to have blu-spark, with franko kernel, this time I think I'm going to go buy with blu-spark)
I appreciate your help, although whatever works is what I'll do, IDK why I can't go back to stock, I've done it before so IDK what has changed, I just need to find the latest version 13 beta of magisk.
Currently im fully stock except for unlocked bootloader and I get the CTS mismatch error on safety net, (these safety net crap is annoying)
I am using Magisk v13 and it is completely free of bugs.
lebeatnik said:
I previously tried to go completely to stock but ran into problems after locking the bootloader,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/help/tried-to-to-stock-adb-error-read-file-t3621902
As I would be fine with that, I prefer using magisk so I suppose I'll go with that,
What kernel is recommended? I was thinking blu-spark or franko as afaik they work?
After I lock my bootloader I ran into problems, adb would recognize my device along with fastboot although, it would not side load the ROM, so I guess my only option is magisk, I just need to find,
Correct kernel, best version of TWRP recovery (I used to have blu-spark, with franko kernel, this time I think I'm going to go buy with blu-spark)
I appreciate your help, although whatever works is what I'll do, IDK why I can't go back to stock, I've done it before so IDK what has changed, I just need to find the latest version 13 beta of magisk.
Currently im fully stock except for unlocked bootloader and I get the CTS mismatch error on safety net, (these safety net crap is annoying)
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Hi. I am about to purchase a Huawei Mate SE and wanted to know if there is a way to root without unlocking the bootloader. It looks like Kingroot and/or Kingoroot might be an option. I'm not new to rooting phones so I understand most of the basics. From what I read, I won't be able to install a custom recovery and therefore can't install custom ROMs which is fine. I mainly want root for apps like Titanium Backup and Greenify. I don't want to lose the ability to OTA. Is this possible? Thanks in advance for the help.
Kingroot and kingoroot are hot piles of garbage on oreo, and nougat. Pretty sure it only works up to lollipop.
Only way to root is to flash Magisk, and that requires an unlocked bootloader.
Dang. That sucks. Thanks for the response though
no need to install a custom recovery to get root. unlockbootloder densest effect ota. after u unlock ur bootloader you can flash a patch kernel that has Magisk
ReppinTheSouth said:
Dang. That sucks. Thanks for the response though
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I just ordered this phone also. You should be able to get your bootloader unlocked with a service. See threads.
I sure hope so. Cause i plan on doing some stuff with this device.
Unlocking the bootloader is not difficult, but then there is a stupid bootloader unlocked warning that comes every time the phone restarts. And supposedly there is no way to turn it off for Huawei phones