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Mate 20 X 5G Final Specs Emerge [Disappointing!]

I have been waiting to get my hands on the Mate 20X 5G model for a while. It is now becoming more widely available around the world (Kuwait, UAE, Finland, Switzerland and China and the UK by the end of July as the T-ban has been partially lifted, Lol). Here are all the key differences between the ORIGINAL version and the 5G variant and some are very disappointing. I think I will skip this version and wait for the Mate 30X or the Mate X.
In the meantime, if anyone has bought the new 5G model, you can update the thread with more information.
Model Number: EVR-N29 International Version/EVR-N00 Asia Version
THE GOOD NEWS:
Networks: 2G-4G on original vs 2G-5G SA/NSA on the 5G model
RAM: 8GB identical to the memory size of the China version with 8GB/256GB
ROM: 256GB identical to the memory size of the China version with 256GB/8GB
GooglePlayStore: Included on the original International model vs also included on the 5g model (except the Asia variant which does not include GooglePlayStore)
Charging: 40W Super Charge vs 22W Super Charge on the original.
Wireless Charging: Included (according to unboxing videos online, but not 100% confirmed) vs Not Included on any of the Original variants
Colour: Emerald Green vs 2 colours on the original (Good for some and possibly bad for some)
NOW THE BAD, THE REALLY BAD NEWS:
Battery: 4200mAh vs 5000mAh on the original
Headphone Jack: No Headphone Jack vs the Original with the Headphone Jack and 3.5mm headphones (5g model comes with Type C headphones)
Speakers: Single Stereo Speaker only (top speaker has been removed) vs Dual Stereo Speakers on the original variants

Damn so many downgrades.
Wont be surprised if the the reason is to put 5g antennas.

I wouldn't change the Mate 20 X for the 5g variant for only one reason : Stereo Speakers... Dangg, this phone is loud ! ?

Here is the official spec sheet:
https://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/mate20-x-5g/specs/
Link to a YouTube Unboxing Video of the 5G Model:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hQFyaiXgus

filip_pine said:
I would change the Mate 20 X for the 5g variant for only one reason : Stereo Speakers... Dangg, this phone is loud !
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Both the original and the 5g model has stereo sound but on the 5g model they have reduced the number of speakers from 2 to 1 (top speaker missing).

AWFRONT said:
Both the original and the 5g model has stereo sound but on the 5g model they have reduced the number of speakers from 2 to 1 (top speaker missing).
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I know, that's why i said i wouldn't change the original Mate 20 X for the 5G variant...

Rumors about Mate 30 X?

An Global 8GB/256GB was kinda nice, but damn i didn't know about the single speaker and no headphone jack. No 5G model for me than. This is indeed more an downgrade.

Please suggestion: buy that no 5g or wait for 30 X?

last_nooby said:
Please suggestion: buy that no 5g or wait for 30 X?
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I'd wait for 30 X (hopefully there will be one). 5G will take at least a year or two to become universal.

High price in Germany, it will be €1000. Also ''NOW THE BAD, THE REALLY BAD NEWS''
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Panorama-Thema-233992/News/Huawei-Mate-20-X-5G-Release-1293604/

any news if it can be rooted - flashed ? tnx

is the 5G varient going to be any faster than the EVR-AL00 model with 8/256, when it comes to daily use, or is it going to be the same speed but. just be faster when it comes to surfing the web/ downloading content and streaming? Cause if my daily useage is getting improved then I may step up but, if im not seeing an improved when it comes to using the phone other than that then ill just stick to the OG version.
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any news if it can be rooted - flashed ? tnx
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Ooh, really good question. I wanna know the answer to that as well.

baskinrobbin said:
I'd wait for 30 X (hopefully there will be one). 5G will take at least a year or two to become universal.
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Totally agree. With these spec reductions and the crazy price tag, we are better off waiting for (hopefully) a Mate 30X with Android or ArkOS or whatever it may be called(BTW, I like the new camera setup on the Mate 30 Pro that has been shown on some renders this week)
If Mate 30X is not released in time, I will just wait for Microsoft to (hopefully) release the Surface phone in January with Android compatibility and the Hybrid Windows 10 OS for mobiles. That I think would be the ultimate phone setup. This I think would be the most credible chance for Microsoft to remain relevant in the mobile space again and offer a good alternative to IOS and Android systems.

Phaze1585 said:
is the 5G varient going to be any faster than the EVR-AL00 model with 8/256, when it comes to daily use, or is it going to be the same speed but. just be faster when it comes to surfing the web/ downloading content and streaming? Cause if my daily useage is getting improved then I may step up but, if im not seeing an improved when it comes to using the phone other than that then ill just stick to the OG version.
Daily use (speed etc…) should be the same as the only addition is a 5G modem (simply for accessing 5g SA/NSA bands) and the removal of some really important features such as the 3.5mm jack, reduction in battery size and the removal of the top speaker. If you can live with these then I would say then you can step up but I would say if 5g is not really important then wait until Mate 30x or another alternative comes. Don't forget IFA 2019 is just around the corner and other brands that are aware of Huawei's success with the original Mate 20x may want to tap into its success model. I must say I had my hopes high for the Mate 20X 5g but now my only option is to either go for Mate X as my first 5G phone or wait for Mate 30x which should have integrated CPU with 5G in-built unlike the 2 chips that are separately positioned on the new Mate 20X 5G. Due to the space management, Huawei appears to have made some serious compromises.
Personally, with 5g rolling out, I would want my next phone to be 5g so that I don't have to think about changing my phone for the next 2-3 years at least. Then hopefully 5g and folding phones will be more common.
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AWFRONT said:
Phaze1585 said:
is the 5G varient going to be any faster than the EVR-AL00 model with 8/256, when it comes to daily use, or is it going to be the same speed but. just be faster when it comes to surfing the web/ downloading content and streaming? Cause if my daily useage is getting improved then I may step up but, if im not seeing an improved when it comes to using the phone other than that then ill just stick to the OG version.
Daily use (speed etc…) should be the same as the only addition is a 5G modem (simply for accessing 5g SA/NSA bands) and the removal of some really important features such as the 3.5mm jack, reduction in battery size and the removal of the top speaker. If you can live with these then I would say then you can step up but I would say if 5g is not really important then wait until Mate 30x or another alternative comes. Don't forget IFA 2019 is just around the corner and other brands that are aware of Huawei's success with the original Mate 20x may want to tap into its success model. I must say I had my hopes high for the Mate 20X 5g but now my only option is to either go for Mate X as my first 5G phone or wait for Mate 30x which should have integrated CPU with 5G in-built unlike the 2 chips that are separately positioned on the new Mate 20X 5G. Due to the space management, Huawei appears to have made some serious compromises.
Personally, with 5g rolling out, I would want my next phone to be 5g so that I don't have to think about changing my phone for the next 2-3 years at least. Then hopefully 5g and folding phones will be more common.
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Solid response. Thank you.
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The biggest problem in the end could be if this variant will result to be impossible to root or flash with lineageOS IMHO...

Is the china al00 5g or not 5g

Also: will there be soon a separate thread in the forum or will it be in common with the non 5G Mate X 20?

stestesteste said:
Is the china al00 5g or not 5g
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The Only 5G Models are:
EVR-N29 International Version 5G Comes with GooglePlayStore/Google Services Preloaded
EVR-N00 Asia Version 5G No GooglePlayStore/Google Services
The above models are only offered in 8GB/256GB RAM/ROM combinations and only offered in Emerald Green Colour and has 5G printed on the back cover.
All other models/variants are NOT 5G. For example; EVR-L29 is the 6GB/128GB for international markets, EVR-AL00 is the China Version with no GooglePlayStore and is offered in 6GB/128GB and 8GB/256GB variants.

Unlocked US or wait for International unlocked?

Hi all
In the past I’ve had to buy international variants for the best possible coverage when traveling. Even the US unlocked did not cover as much as their international unlocked counterparts.
I spend a lot of my time overseas so I’m willing to have less then ideal coverage in the united states.
I’ve tried to look up information on the bands but so far have not had much look comparing to see if I should preorder the s20 ultra unlocked in the states or just wait until I go abroad and purchase the international version in a few months when I leave again. Even if I don’t get the deals on preorder.
Which would really be a downer if there isn’t a difference and I could buy it now with all the perks of the promos.
Can anyone enlighten me on if the unlocked US version or international unlocked variant would be more suited to travel outside the States?
Or is their a difference this time?
Thanks!

I have this same question, but here is my dilemma....
The US version work have a snapdragon and a $200 credit at samsung's website for pre-orders but the international version with have the ability to be rooted. Now i have the oneplus 7 pro, with root, i am able to force 90hz refresh rate on ALL apps. If i can root the s20 ultra, i can swap in a kernel that allows 120hz at qhd on alll apps, which is pure gold in itself.

the Kong kong and Latina american variants historically have been snapdragon AND rootable so you can have the better processor wnd root.
that said there has also not been a ton of development for those particular variants which i mever understood since your getting the best of both worlds

I'm in the same boat. My current GS8+ is international variant specifically because of dual sim and root.
I'm conflicted with all the international versions not getting things like 5G vs international. I pre-ordered, I still can cancel my order...
What's the likelihood that US Unlocked version can be rooted within few months? Anyone know if they're adding additional locks to it?

XtremeMaC said:
I'm in the same boat. My current GS8+ is international variant specifically because of dual sim and root.
I'm conflicted with all the international versions not getting things like 5G vs international. I pre-ordered, I still can cancel my order...
What's the likelihood that US Unlocked version can be rooted within few months? Anyone know if they're adding additional locks to it?
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It is my understanding that traditionally, US unlocked version is SiM unlocked but bootloader locked. Therefore, the likelyhood that it will be rootable in a few months will be the same as with other recent phones, next to zero.
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yeah, that's what I'm afraid of..

In thos age of hacking and malware. You couldnt pay me to have a rooted phone. The only advantage was titanium backup and that only half ass works when restoring data. Not worth it.
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johnwayne27 said:
In thos age of hacking and malware. You couldnt pay me to have a rooted phone. The only advantage was titanium backup and that only half ass works when restoring data. Not worth it.
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Viper4android!

very hard choice
- Snapdragon 865 is more power efficient and more powerful ( 10 % against exynos SOC)
but forget root
- Outside US 5G networks aver very very limited
- The exynos will receive more updates
- US version has only one card sim slot

johnwayne27 said:
In thos age of hacking and malware. You couldnt pay me to have a rooted phone. The only advantage was titanium backup and that only half ass works when restoring data. Not worth it.
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You couldn't be more wrong. But hey. Your choice.

Ricardo_G said:
very hard choice
- Snapdragon 865 is more power efficient and more powerful ( 10 % against exynos SOC)
but forget root
- Outside US 5G networks aver very very limited
- The exynos will receive more updates
- US version has only one card sim slot
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5G is all over Europe.

force70 said:
the Kong kong and Latina american variants historically have been snapdragon AND rootable so you can have the better processor wnd root.
that said there has also not been a ton of development for those particular variants which i mever understood since your getting the best of both worlds
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suppp force
so i'm struggling with the choice too, either the SA (latin american snapdragon) or exynos .
I don't really care about development beyond TWRP and Root , not sure what to do

From what I have seen there are also various versions of the international unlocked, some are dual sim and some ha e different bands (with or without 5G).

masri1987 said:
suppp force
so i'm struggling with the choice too, either the SA (latin american snapdragon) or exynos .
I don't really care about development beyond TWRP and Root , not sure what to do
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long time no talk bro, hope all is well?
the snap would be my choice,it will be rootable, could be already for all i know. plus the 865 is far superior to the exynos is pretty much every category.
for me the choice would be easy lol.

force70 said:
long time no talk bro, hope all is well?
the snap would be my choice,it will be rootable, could be already for all i know. plus the 865 is far superior to the exynos is pretty much every category.
for me the choice would be easy lol.
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which model #'s should i be trying to get?
I'm asuming SA is south american models with S865
When's the last time we crossed paths? It wasn't 3xl was it?
Hope you staying safe from teh cabrona virus

masri1987 said:
which model #'s should i be trying to get?
I'm asuming SA is south american models with S865
When's the last time we crossed paths? It wasn't 3xl was it?
Hope you staying safe from teh cabrona virus
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the Hong kong and brazil model number is just SM-G9880. no N,W Or anything else. but they both would be 865s yep.
couldnt have been the 3XL cause i didnt get one, def been awhile though. Im not on as much as I used to be...too many snowflakes lol.
Corona virus has everything shut down here in Ontario, Canada. movies, restaurants, gyms (that one hits hard with me being a bodybuilder).
its crazy.

what about the "N" Korean version? is it rootable? im debating whether to get the international one or the korean version. I want to be rooted with viper4android

yes it should be its exynos.
Korean/ international basically the same thing hardware other than possibly being capable of different network frequencies.
you cannot cross flash Korean and international firmware however if that matters
ive had lots of both and never had issues with either.
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what about the "N" Korean version? is it rootable? im debating whether to get the international one or the korean version. I want to be rooted with viper4android
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This may help you decide.
https://sea.pcmag.com/smartphones/3...-americas-first-unlocked-all-carrier-5g-phone

Im on att. What i wont be able to use the 5g network if i get an international verion. I might get the us verison then

Using HongKong S20+ in Europe: which things won't work.

Hi all,
I live in Europe and am planning to buy a Snapdragon S20+ from HongKong.
I've checked which network bands the HK phone supports and all bands I need are there.
Before placing the order I want to check with you guys if I have a clear picture of all limitations that come with buying a HK S20+ in Europe.
The list I compiled so far:
- No Samsung Pay (I don't care, won't use it)
- VOLTE may or may not work depending on your carrier (I don't care, I barely call and if I call I don't care about the quality)
- No warranty in Europe .
- Difference in timing of updates
Anything else I should take into account?

YH93 said:
Hi all,
I live in Europe and am planning to buy a Snapdragon S20+ from HongKong.
I've checked which network bands the HK phone supports and all bands I need are there.
Before placing the order I want to check with you guys if I have a clear picture of all limitations that come with buying a HK S20+ in Europe.
The list I compiled so far:
- No Samsung Pay (I don't care, won't use it)
- VOLTE may or may not work depending on your carrier (I don't care, I barely call and if I call I don't care about the quality)
- No warranty in Europe .
- Difference in timing of updates
Anything else I should take into account?
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Carrier Aggregation may suffer, which will reduce download speeds. I have a Hong Kong variant, VoLTE, WiFi Calling and Samsung Pay work however I'm in the US, your results may vary as you mentioned depending on the carrier. Don't expect you can modify the CSC, you can't change it. Samkey doesn't support HK variants and OXM, which allows Preconfiguration changes for different European CSC's isn't embedded in the software. Updates have come in a timely fashion every month and there's no Carrier Branded Bloatware. Even though the device has some limitations I've been pleased with the HK variant, anything but Exynos!

varcor said:
Carrier Aggregation may suffer, which will reduce download speeds. I have a Hong Kong variant, VoLTE, WiFi Calling and Samsung Pay work however I'm in the US, your results may vary as you mentioned depending on the carrier. Don't expect you can modify the CSC, you can't change it. Samkey doesn't support HK variants and OXM, which allows Preconfiguration changes for different European CSC's isn't embedded in the software. Updates have come in a timely fashion every month and there's no Carrier Branded Bloatware. Even though the device has some limitations I've been pleased with the HK variant, anything but Exynos!
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Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I'll go for the HK version then. Don't see any reason why I shouldn't.

Actually Samsung Pay should work in Europe flawlessly, only thing that won't work is rewards. To be more precise, rewards do work, but the rewards shown are the ones of the phone's original country...
As for the Samkey CSC change limitation, I remember reading a post here about a user that changed CSC from Taiwan to Hong Kong using Samkey...

Rulsar_Tec said:
Actually Samsung Pay should work in Europe flawlessly, only thing that won't work is rewards. To be more precise, rewards do work, but the rewards shown are the ones of the phone's original country...
As for the Samkey CSC change limitation, I remember reading a post here about a user that changed CSC from Taiwan to Hong Kong using Samkey...
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Good to know. I'm currently not using or planning to use Samsung Pay but that might change in the future.
Regarding the CSC limations, I don't see any reason why I would need to change the CSC.

Reason why you may want to think twice is that in the event if you get unit with poor uniformity seller may not be willing to replace it as easily

How do you plan on buying it?

Sharpshooterrr said:
How do you plan on buying it?
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I bought mine from T-Dimension. Just be sure to order from their .de or .co.uk site and you don't have to pay any customs. Cheeper then the Exynos version here in Sweden. Took about 2 weeks to get the phone. First they ship it from HK to their warehouse in UK then from there to me.
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I have ordered the phone from WondaMobile.
They have the HongKong Snapdragon version for the same price as the Exynos in my country.
Also no customs are being charged as they will ship it from/via the UK.

I have ordered S20 ultra also from WondaMobile. I was on 6th of May and I'm hopping the delivery will not take to much time. I also hope I don't have to send it back because of broken camera glass or other issues which s20 ultra suffers...

Hello
My S20 Ultra comes to WondaMobile and is amazing (model 512/16GB)
Samsung Pay and Volte work perfectly.
Photos are fantastic.

I also have the Snapdragon version
Get it. I had the Exynos and it had a poor battery life plus other disadvantages

Could someone check for me ?: Dutch (the Netherlands) language included in the HK version? Mi

is the hongkong version better than the chinese version ??? any differnce
and what about 5g my country supports sub 6 which is 3.5 bandwith

ChromeFR said:
Could someone check for me : Dutch (the Netherlands) language included in the HK version? Mi
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Yes, it is.

dr.memo1o said:
is the hongkong version better than the chinese version ??? any differnce
and what about 5g my country supports sub 6 which is 3.5 bandwith
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Samsung pay and Google services work.
5g is ok for France

Hello, what is the CSC, what is the use of it and why someone would change it? Are the european languages supported in this version?

S20 FE 256Gb Dual SIM Snapdragon

I'm in a non-5G country and only the LTE version will be available here. I am told there is a 256Gb dual SIM version that will be here later this month but which will therefore be Exynos. For obvious reasons I would prefer Snapdragon and I would be happy to import from somewhere else but, as far as I can see, there is no such thing as a Snapdragon with 256Gb and dual nano-SIM. Am I wrong? Does a Snapdragon 256Gb dual SIM exist?

1. 5g 128gb - snapdragon
2. 4g 128gb- exynos
3. 4g 256gb- exynos
From what I can see on Amazon, at least in Europe, the Exynos ones are dual sim.
Why do you want the snapdragon considering there is so little community development on it?

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Why do you want the snapdragon considering there is so little community development on it?
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Because it is the same Exynos 990 as in the S20 range that has compared badly with the Snapdragon eg in battery life. If I have to, I will go with Exynos because it's not that bad - just not as good as Snapdragon.

I know what you mean. But hopefully the increased battery and the 1080p only display will make it less worse.
I was definitely looking at buying the snapdragon but then found out you can barely root it and it was an easy decision afterwards. I cannot live anymore without call recording, adaway and yt vanced.

n-j-f said:
I'm in a non-5G country and only the LTE version will be available here. I am told there is a 256Gb dual SIM version that will be here later this month but which will therefore be Exynos. For obvious reasons I would prefer Snapdragon and I would be happy to import from somewhere else but, as far as I can see, there is no such thing as a Snapdragon with 256Gb and dual nano-SIM. Am I wrong? Does a Snapdragon 256Gb dual SIM exist?
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Samsung wants to milk the customers in big countries and makes the SD with 256GB only available in certain markets it seems.
SM-G781BZBHEUB -> BeNeLux, + "Nordic" EU?
SM-G781BZBHEUE -> CZ, "Eastern EU"?
Still waiting for availability though...

hell0 said:
Samsung wants to milk the customers in big countries and makes the SD with 256GB only available in certain markets it seems.
SM-G781BZBHEUB -> BeNeLux, + "Nordic" EU?
SM-G781BZBHEUE -> CZ, "Eastern EU"?
Still waiting for availability though...
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Thanks for that. Typical of Samsung! I may have to keep an eye on that - particularly on Amazon.nl.

Samsung themselves list it in their shop for € 819,00, but Wordt verzonden op 22 oktober 2020

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Because it is the same Exynos 990 as in the S20 range that has compared badly with the Snapdragon eg in battery life. If I have to, I will go with Exynos because it's not that bad - just not as good as Snapdragon.
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Sp8ky said:
I know what you mean. But hopefully the increased battery and the 1080p only display will make it less worse.
I was definitely looking at buying the snapdragon but then found out you can barely root it and it was an easy decision afterwards. I cannot live anymore without call recording, adaway and yt vanced.
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But you can still get youtube vanced and adguard non root . Who are you recording anyway ....

Sp8ky said:
I know what you mean. But hopefully the increased battery and the 1080p only display will make it less worse.
I was definitely looking at buying the snapdragon but then found out you can barely root it and it was an easy decision afterwards. I cannot live anymore without call recording, adaway and yt vanced.
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CubeACR works for recording calls.

Question Rootable S22 available in the US?

I know the S22 variant made for the US market does not have an unlockable bootloader. But is it possible to buy a rootable S22 that will work with a Verizon SIM? Order it from overseas maybe?

yeah you can get a Korean 908N version on eBay with a very reasonable price. I got mine several days ago.

52yt said:
yeah you can get a Korean 908N version on eBay with a very reasonable price. I got mine several days ago.
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Awesome, thanks. I wasn't sure which country to look for. I prefer a pocket-sized phone and it looks like SM-SS901N is the small one and it's readily available.
I'm still running SABS on my old S9 (installed before Samsung killed it) and I was afraid I'd have to switch to a Pixel to get root, but the smallest Pixel 6 is bigger than I want. The small S22 from South Korea seems like a perfect choice.

aurny said:
Awesome, thanks. I wasn't sure which country to look for. I prefer a pocket-sized phone and it looks like SM-SS901N is the small one and it's readily available.
I'm still running SABS on my old S9 (installed before Samsung killed it) and I was afraid I'd have to switch to a Pixel to get root, but the smallest Pixel 6 is bigger than I want. The small S22 from South Korea seems like a perfect choice.
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No problem at all. I always got the Korean Variant instead of US one. Works for me all the time. I just didn't understand why they didn't provide an option of unlockinh BL on US variant. I feel like it's not even necessary.

are you looking for exynos or snapdragon? there is a large performance and compatability difference. Hong Kong and Singapore are where I got my last two phones from, bootloader unlockable snapdragons.

I'd have to say Snapdragon, which is also the South Korea variant (I'm guessing this is why it's popular for US buyers). Would there be any reason to consider an Exynos for use in the US? According to the reviews I've read, performance & battery life on the Exynos vary between meh and unusably awful.

52yt said:
No problem at all. I always got the Korean Variant instead of US one. Works for me all the time. I just didn't understand why they didn't provide an option of unlockinh BL on US variant. I feel like it's not even necessary.
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Hello, may I ask what carrier you're using this with in the US? On Ebay, it says that it doesn't work with Verizon (due to CDMA).
I'm aware that Verizon does a little bit more than CDMA these days, but their base is still CDMA from what I understand. Thanks in advance.