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Defects to watch out for

Mail ordered my nexus and wanted to know what defects to look out for that would warrant a return for another. (also, anyone know if replacements are refurbs? I refuse to shell out $300 for a refurb!)
My Watchlist so far:
Display tinting red, green, or blue in sections
Overwashed "linen yellow" whites
Speaker issues
Battery "awake time" bug
These seem to be specific to a "bad" device and would like to know other issues that mean I got a bum unit that should be returned...
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None of those you can do anything about.

spencer88 said:
None of those you can do anything about.
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Hmm, why do you say? These issues are not consistent across all units. Some have reported not having these issues, so it seems to vary unit to unit.

Some of those issues are user tolerance too.
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rabaker07 said:
Mail ordered my nexus and wanted to know what defects to look out for that would warrant a return for another. (also, anyone know if replacements are refurbs? I refuse to shell out $300 for a refurb!)
My Watchlist so far:
Display tinting red, green, or blue in sections
Overwashed "linen yellow" whites
Speaker issues
Battery "awake time" bug
These seem to be specific to a "bad" device and would like to know other issues that mean I got a bum unit that should be returned...
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
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I can say from personal experience that I've experienced all of those except for the battery bug. I've been through three phones so far, and all of them had different issues. My first phone had really bad screen banding, which is inherent to SAMOLED screens, but some are worse than others...and mine was the worst of all the phones I compared it to. The store agreed to replace it, but the next one I got had severe static over just the earpiece speaker. The store once again agreed to swap it out, and now the one I have has a ridiculous amount of red throughout the screen. At lower screen brightness (50% or less) anything that is supposed to be grey is completely purple (menus, widgets, etc). I've been told by a Verizon rep that this is something that will be fixed by a software update in the future, and is a known issue...but I think he was making it up to get me out of the store (please note that this was a different store than I had been dealing with from the start). The phone is completely awesome...as long as it's not broken!

Must have lucked out... Got mine at Best Buy on the 15th and have had NONE of the issues... Whites are white... no blue tint... After a few charges the battery has been fine... Right now my Nexus has been on for about 5 hours with light use and I'm at 88%. If i had the awake time bug it would be much lower...
Like i said, i lucked out. So for anyone with these bugs, replace it. These bugs are NOT on all units.

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Must have lucked out... Got mine at Best Buy on the 15th and have had NONE of the issues... Whites are white... no blue tint...
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I am happy with my whites, but they are far from white. When I first was checking out my nexus, I thought to myself, wow the whites look really good. Then, I compare my Nexus S with SLCD, Nexus S with AMOLED, and my GN. The Nexus S with the SLCD, whites are insane, almost pure white.

My first one had issues where the touch screen was totally unresponsive after coming out of sleep. Swapped it at the store the next day, and this new one has absolutely no issues. Connectivity is great, colors are great, battery is great (Extenged battery, been off charger for 4 hours, sufed a bit, a couple of texts, and quite a few phone calls, and I'm still above 80% for battery)... I love the phone.
The guy next to me in the office though -- He's on his second one, and is getting dropped calls, dropped connections, and it's overheating to the point of making his face uncomfortable on the phone... he's going back tonight for another one. his first one wouldn't connect to 3g or 4g, and they couldn't fix it in the store.

Just use the phone like normal. If you have to seek out a "defect", then it isn't a defect. Just use the phone and enjoy it.

are these issues for only the verizon version or the GSM as well because I am debating on shipping a GSM one but I'm iffy about it because I dont want to get a defective one and wont be able to replace it or have to wait another week to get a new one.

bykr_dude15 said:
I'm iffy about it because I dont want to get a defective one and wont be able to replace it or have to wait another week to get a new one.
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This is one reason I purchased direct from Vzw. Now I can go into any store and raise holy hell for a replacement off the shelf.

bykr_dude15 said:
are these issues for only the verizon version or the GSM as well because I am debating on shipping a GSM one but I'm iffy about it because I dont want to get a defective one and wont be able to replace it or have to wait another week to get a new one.
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I haven't heard of the issues on the GSM version. I'm sure the screen issues can be on all versions but have heard nothing on the other problems. I have an imported GSM version with 0 problems (besides still being on 4.0.1!)
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I had 2 with bars going down the display, easy way to tell is have all white or dark grey on the screen.
I have also noticed on my current device that if I put up an all black image, I have spots around the screen where there is darker black, almost like the glue on the screen or something.

Here is a new one, when the phone us vibrating something sound a like it is loose inside the phone ..not many reports of this one tho only seen 2 so far not including mine
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HTC OneV -2 month experience (The good, bad and ugly)

Hi guys,
This is my first post. HTC one V is the first smartphone that I owned. I got it through a relative from Malaysia in April and to tell the truth I was hooked.
The Good: Excellent looks and finish and a brilliant display was things that are a bargain at this price range. Combine that with a fluid interface, excellent battery life for a smartphone (i got about 36hrs once) and tethering support it was real good.
The Bad: But as everything else out there there are the lows. First is the camera- everything is good except for the image quality. Looking at the images on the phone screen can be deceiving (display is that good). On a larger computer screen or print the images look just average. The colors look artificial and may often look over softened (clear once you zoom the image). Samsung galaxy ace and sony xperia mini series (both have 5MP cameras) are miles ahead in image quality. Sound quality is good but not the best. Placement of charger port was also odd. Except for the camera other things can be forgiven including the non-existent Compass !
Ugly: Now to the hardest part - complaints. First time i switched on the phone I noticed yellow patches on display on the left side bottom and top corners. Clearly visible on startup screen, browser, documents, ebooks etc., (white and grey backrounds). I was thinking whether to send it back to malaysia to claim guarantee and then decided against it for two reasons -
1. patches is not an issue in other screens (except for the plain backround) and can be ignored as it is in the corners (it did not go away even after a months use as some claimed).
2. I was in absolute love with the phone and just could not think of not having it for more than a month if it has to go to malaysia and then come back :silly:
Then last week I was traveling. watched a video clip, listened to some songs attended two calls and then put the mobile in my pocket (more than 40% charge remaining). After about 45mins when I took it out and the phone was simply dead. Nothing could make it switch on. Now I have sent it back to Malaysia with my relative. I really don't know whether they will repair it or replace and when I am going to get it.
So that's the story. I hope I get a good unit back

Are yo sure you talking about the same phone! lol
i've had mine for2 months and quite frankly, it rocks
camera is awesome, and very clear pictures when i transfer to pc.
have friends with differents htc's ranging from the one to sensation and they all envy my new phone.
Im Loving it!

I'm Lovin' it

Hi japodude,
Loving the phone doesn't make the image better and yes I am talking about the same phone. I agree that the image is very clear, unfortunately there is a difference between clarity and quality.
I never said camera is bad but the quality of image definitely is not up to the mark and may be due to optimizations by the camera software. Look at bright portraits with contrasting colors and you will see colors getting a washed-out look. It just could have been better. You may not see this in landscapes. Or may be I got a bad piece of camera in my set.
But I do agree on one count. The phone is awesome

ive used a spectromitor to calibrate monitor colours to match my phone colour. the real test would be to print one picture and see.

my previous phone is nokia x6,,also 5mp,,i compared camera picture of these 2 phones and i must say my x6's camera is far better than one v
and im facing problems of heating..gaming makes this phone really hot..and i got one time experience of after gaming for 15 mins,, phone got hot,, i leave it for 2 hours,, when i picked it up its still hot,, i put it in the floor to absorb cold and then it cools..
but overall im satisfied with my 1st android phone..the price,, looks and performance

Hi alborotz,
Nokia traditionally is good with camera (hardware). Remember the N-series, and now the N8 and pureview, something that HTC will take a long time to achieve. Check out the blind test on gsmarena comparing pureview to a number of phone cameras and even olympus. It is not a surprise for me that HTC One X came last (actually zero votes!!!).
One V is not much of a gamer, I believe, but a good all-rounder. i am sure you must have admired the display when playing some of those (Temple Run, Angry Birds, Raging thunder). Things just look so ONEderful. I checked out a colleague's galaxy SII. Though AMOLED, it had a heavy bluish tinge, almost like looking through a blue filter. Comparing both these side by side, One V was better in clarity and SII better with the contrast (Not bad for a phone in this range!!) Heating must be due to the aluminium body which conducts heat better than the plastics out there. May be its good for the phone internals (i am guessing here!!).
I am just wondering when I will get my phone back -whether it will be a replacement or repair. just itching to get it back
Thanks guys

I like my One V. Is small, handy, has crisp and good sound, also screen is visible in direct sunlight (now we have african temperatures over 30 C, here in Poland). And the phone is much lighter than Evo 3D, which I had earlier.

I love this phone. Very good first android/starter phone for anyone thinking about that.

I got my phone- and a new one
Hi guys,
To conclude, I finally got my phone back and yes its a new one too. This time no trace of yellow spots... Back to days of android on my ONEderful V :highfive:

bezbeV said:
...i am sure you must have admired the display when playing some of those (Temple Run, Angry Birds, Raging thunder). Things just look so ONEderful. I checked out a colleague's galaxy SII. Though AMOLED, it had a heavy bluish tinge, almost like looking through a blue filter...
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Yes, you're absolutely right about this.
I have compared my One V to Galaxy Note and i'm so amazed how my One V is look more awesome than that bluish semi-giant screen G-Note

Maybe your pocket got you into the power+vol. up brick - - sounds plausible by your description of pocket brick
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theiNDrAs said:
Yes, you're absolutely right about this.
I have compared my One V to Galaxy Note and i'm so amazed how my One V is look more awesome than that bluish semi-giant screen G-Note
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+1.

theiNDrAs said:
Yes, you're absolutely right about this.
I have compared my One V to Galaxy Note and i'm so amazed how my One V is look more awesome than that bluish semi-giant screen G-Note
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Mangala_Dharma said:
Maybe your pocket got you into the power+vol. up brick - - sounds plausible by your description of pocket brick
Sent from my HTC One V using my dog
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I did consider that angle. The position was not suitable for that to happen. I put the phone in my front left jeans pocket, the chin was down and screen facing away from me. In that position both keys (volume and power) comes towards my left with power key to the open part of jeans and volume key away from outside thigh. So, that's pretty much a far stretched possibility. But then as one Mr. Holmes said "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
And now the replacement unit is too good. No trace of anything yellow. And boy I am happy..except that I have to buy a screenguard again

bezbeV said:
Hi guys,
To conclude, I finally got my phone back and yes its a new one too. This time no trace of yellow spots... Back to days of android on my ONEderful V :highfive:
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bezbeV,
How long did it take to get your phone back from HTC?
I have a problem with my camera where yellow specs/dots show up on pictures on white backgrounds. I have only seen one other post about this issue on another forum.
I contacted HTC and they said to perform a soft reset and if that didn't work, a factory reset. Both did nothing. My next option is to contact their warranty and repair specialists. Just wondering if its worth it.
Thanks.

hot102 said:
bezbeV,
How long did it take to get your phone back from HTC?
I contacted HTC and they said to perform a soft reset and if that didn't work, a factory reset. Both did nothing. My next option is to contact their warranty and repair specialists. Just wondering if its worth it.
Thanks.
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Well, it actually took quite a long time, almost 2+ months, but then again it may depend on the country/region you are in. But do read my previous post - I did not give the phone for repair just because it had yellow spots, but it was DEAD. So I did not have a choice.
Next is your second point. HTC is bluffing. The yellow spot is a "manufacturing defect on the LCD screen" which will not go away with any soft or hard reset. Don't waste your time on this, but do make backups. If you purchased the phone recently, DEMAND a replacement immediately from HTC. Check the phone on the spot for any spots before accepting the new piece.
I believe that it is worth to get a replacement even if it takes a month than to live with the thought that what you purchased with your hard earned money which is supposed to be 'quality-checked' before delivery is a defective piece. You certainly did not get it from a factory-seconds store or discount sale. Why should you carry a defective piece?
Regards

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Well, it actually took quite a long time, almost 2+ months, but then again it may depend on the country/region you are in. But do read my previous post - I did not give the phone for repair just because it had yellow spots, but it was DEAD. So I did not have a choice.
Next is your second point. HTC is bluffing. The yellow spot is a "manufacturing defect on the LCD screen" which will not go away with any soft or hard reset. Don't waste your time on this, but do make backups. If you purchased the phone recently, DEMAND a replacement immediately from HTC. Check the phone on the spot for any spots before accepting the new piece.
I believe that it is worth to get a replacement even if it takes a month than to live with the thought that what you purchased with your hard earned money which is supposed to be 'quality-checked' before delivery is a defective piece. You certainly did not get it from a factory-seconds store or discount sale. Why should you carry a defective piece?
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hey bezbeV, i am malaysian and i am very interested in the one V, but one thing, how do i identify if the phone screen has yellow spot or not..? i heard that those manufactured after april has no such problem ..? is it true...? and where do you think i can get the best price in KL..?

hao5951 said:
hey bezbeV, i am malaysian and i am very interested in the one V, but one thing, how do i identify if the phone screen has yellow spot or not..? i heard that those manufactured after april has no such problem ..? is it true...? and where do you think i can get the best price in KL..?
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Hi, am actually from India and I got the phone through a relative in Malaysia. I am sorry but cannot help you with the best price place. But as far as yellow spots go, i too heard that phones after april has come rectified. So prefer a set which is manufactured after april by checking serial number on the pack.it will be in the format AANNAAANNNN (N-number, A-alphabet). Prefer something that starts with SH over HT and 'N' at 4th place supposedly give you the manufacturing month (look for a value 5 and above here!). Once you have purchased it, open the set in front of them and check for any yellow spots (visible on white and grey backgrounds). If so return the piece immediately. You are eligible for a replacement then.
Do let us know once you get it.. best wishes

This happens with me a lot!
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HTC One X build quality is abysmal.

I have no idea how any of you guys have a flawless HTC One X. Seriously.
I have had 10 phones. TEN!
How HTC can send this pile of rubbish out is just beyond me. Sure, the screen is lovely. If it's not covered with yellow splodges, or a faulty digitizer. Or the case surrounding it doesn't creak or flex.
I updated my latest and unfortunately not the greatest 10th phone to sense 4.1. And it's great they have got rid of the three dots.
But whatever they doing at their factories, they are not doing much quality checking. Or perhaps they are sticking the screens down with chewing gum.
If anyone asks me "should I buy a HTC One X". Guess what my answer is going to be?
Sure, if you want to spend the next 2.5 months sending your phone back for replacements, spending over £160 in doing so in line rental, telephone calls to your supplier and postage to send it back. Go for it. It's really fun.
So how did you do it guys? Seriously? Or am I thinking that some of you have actually got slight flaws, but are living with them.
I honestly feel like I could get a crate of HTC One X's and there would be 5 or 6 in it that were without any kind of flaws.
I don't need to put on a flame proof suit. I'm sure I'll get jumped on for this post. However, I genuinely do not believe for one moment that there is such thing as a flawless HTC One X.
People can't seem to understand why Samsung is charging ahead with such success with badly designed phones compared to HTC.
Well, now you know why. Because as much as the design of the Samsung is pants, I imagine their build quality is light years ahead of HTC's.
So it depends if you want your phone to look good, or to actually be without build quality issues.
I know which I would rather have. And let me tell you, it's lesson hard learned.
What a pile of crap.

The reason why you're getting so many bad ones is probably because, unless you are going to a store and personally picking your phone out of the new ones, it's probably a refurb. HTC likely doesn't do much QA for refurbs, so you're sorting through phones that have been returned for the same reasons why you returned your phone. In all likelihood, the defective Samsung phones never even leave the factory.
It sucks, but what can you do?

Sorry to say the obvious, but you've had some really really awful luck with your devices if you've managed to go through 10, and all of them with faults that are worthy of a replacement.
If my device has any issues, it's that there is a slight gap around the screen bezel, enough for 1 tiny spec of dust to get stuck in, and tbh, that's the sort of issue I expect from any phone I purchase, I know Samsung don't do any better with gaps between joins in their design, Apple definitely don't. Guess I have a godly HOX or something?

My HOX has one slight issue as far as im aware, and yes im LIVING with it. Its the fault where if I hold it with my Left hand (WHICH I USUALLY DO) I completely or mostly lose WiFi, I can't be bothered doing the squeeze test etc, as this makes it worse. And I know I have the issue, but 10 phones worthy of replacement? Sounds like your more unlucky than the devils *****.
But canI ask a question?
WHAT IS THESE 3 DOTS EVERYONE IS ON ABOUT?!

I know those issues with a big german service contractor of O2. Not HTCs fault directly but very annoying.
They replace broken phones with refurbished ones and save the QC.
First One X had a faulty digitizer after 3 month -> Swap
Returned one had a gap at the bottom where the light shone through, the black plastic around the screen stood up a bit, a rattling vibrator and a bright 2 cm strech where the bottom backlight is situated. -> Swap
Third one now seems technically ok. I can push the glass out if I like to, because it does not really sit tight which is ok as I am a tinkerer anyway and the SIM card holder looks like somebody chewed on it.
They don't want to swap the card holder alone and want the whole phone returned.
I think I will keep it as I guess it can only get worse with a new one. Chewed holder is nothing compared to most complaints here
@Wilks3y
The 3 dots are a big bar for the menu at the bottom on the screen that show up with some applications that are not yet optimized for Android 4. It's annoying and takes space, but nothing else.

HTC said they solved all the quirks in PRODUCTION. You're getting replacements from your carrier, and you're getting the phones which have been manufactured long time ago (before june or july), because they always hand over the older devices first. They know that some people aren't so aware of the problems and device will eventually find an owner which does not care or know about problem. What you got caught into is the cruel business model.
And that's the reason everyone should insist on picking your phone in the store. I always tell them to show me 5 devices out of the stock and I will inspect them personally (that's a costumer right) for any faults. HOX is not the first device with QC problems, and two owners and friends of mine have zero problems. and if you think samsung is any better, my friend got one in June and chrome plastic around screen started peeling already with his phone always in protective case! plus he cannot get it replaced on warranty because "he himself damaged the device by dropping it".
scam is everywhere mate.

Why have you created a new thread for the same rant?
I understand your frustration though. I went through a very similar thing and only yesterday is it sorted. Unless the wifi issue comes back. I bought the phone on release.
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when you say build quality is abysmal it means all the one Xs they make are from the same kind of quality, for example very cheap plastic being etc or they all have a broken screen
this is not true, in fact a flawless One X is very fancy in terms of build and sturdiness
the issue you talk about is not build quality, its quality control, meaning some defected phones are being let out of factory
when you keep getting defected phones (like my luck when i first went to buy it) it means you should change your source

I have bought one x about 2-4 weeks after being released and had no problems with it so far. Probably some series of phone have been faulty or had low quality control .

I'm with the OP.
I don't think it's easy to quantify what the problems are with this phone - or is it indeed the manufacturer?
Here's my story.
First phone - yellow patch problem - wasn't sure about the wifi issue - but the yellow spots sucked.
Within the 28 day period, so got a straight swap with retailer - in my case Tesco mobile partner (2020mobile I think they're called).
In this time I really baby'd the phone - no drops, no hard knocks, no nothing. No screen protector admittedly - but - within this initial 3 week period, the Gorilla glass 2 (ROFL) still picked up fine scratches.
Replacement phone arrived - this one - less yellowing patches - but still enough for me to notice and not want on a phone which is meant to do me for 2 years. Also at this point I noticed the phone had the infamous wifi problem.
Again, really fine scratching appearing on screen.
So - sent back - outside 28 days, so had to be through HTC repair.
After 1st repair - looks like they'd replaced the screen, but not fixed the wifi - plus they'd managed to scratch the camera lense and body when it was in, so, back it went for repair.
It came back with new housing (ie no camera lense scratch or body scratches), but now I'm finding the wifi issue has clearly not been resolved.
This is just completely nuts.
And the fine scratches on my new screen are now starting to show, after about 3 or 4 weeks use - again with me babying it.
Seriously - this phone if it it didn't have these flaws would be great.
But in reality it seriously sucks.
End of my tether.

I also agree with OP
.. to many different and possible defects:
- GPS
- Sensors
- dead pixel
- dust under Display
- yellow spots
- WIFI issues
- Heating issue (differs from model)
- case and display - Quality (not instantly visible after unpacking)
- Bluetooth
... many more
i changed my phone also 9 times, important part:
- different shops
- different serial 23 to 27
and the best of allnce i sent my phone for repair and received a much worse model with two defects on the case
it defect rate is much better in SH /HT 27 but still a lack of quality...
Well, i think some of the defects are not visible to everyone because they don´t use/need the features !!
SGS3 was no option for me - i stick to the HOX - just want a model without lets call it "build" defects or lack of quality control.. the result is always the same for the customer. I messed around with all the problems and still love the phone ... i think for many "ex" HTC customers it was the last HTC phone for a long time ...
So HTC missed the spot - they invested a lot of money in "interesting" projects or companies instead of dealing with the core business - i am sure the managers who are responsible for this all are still earning a lot of money ... and a few thousand workers have been fired
Well done HTC

I changed my hox 4 times,every time different problem so then I changed to another phone make ,feels bad leaving HTC but when your QUADCORE phone becomes a source of a pain like in my case there is no point hangin about,can't wait to see what HTC will come up with comes Christmas or April 2013 really excited

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And the fine scratches on my new screen are now starting to show, after about 3 or 4 weeks use - again with me babying it.
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Clearly you have grit or something in your pocket then.
Remember - scratches are caused by a harder object, rubbing against the screen. This isn't a manufacturing fault. The screen is not anymore susceptible to scratches than any previous gorilla glass, nor any other standard glass screens.
Either get a screen protector, or find the source of your scratches, ie grit in your pocket and get rid of it. If you have a pouch, could be there is grit in that embedded in the inside fabric layer
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So if I go to a store and they give me 10 defective devices what would I do? Not go through that store.
Or maybe creating multiple threads will solve what common sense couldn't.
Why not merge your two whining threads together since you haven't said anything new.
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I don't know what the deal is, but it ain't the overall build quality.
I had ONE HOX and it's perfect build quality. Actually, best build quality I've ever had, and certainly WAAAAAY Better than my mom's SGSIII or my previous SGSII and SGS.

This is a fact that has been established. But still refreshing to see it pop up again . But I agree with the OP. When I said goodbye to the HTC sensation XL, the One X was on my priority list, for all the obvious reasons. But then I asked myself: do I really want to go through it again, given that everyone is going through with the One X. The answer is no. Half my "thanks" came from defending HTC in the early launch, but now when I see the complaining posts, I cant be bothered to defend anyone anymore.

Now I feel extremely lucky, having a phone with none of these defects. SH23.
One X to rule them all.

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I don't know what the deal is, but it ain't the overall build quality.
I had ONE HOX and it's perfect build quality. Actually, best build quality I've ever had, and certainly WAAAAAY Better than my mom's SGSIII or my previous SGSII and SGS.
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Yeah, I think the OP meant 'quality control' or 'reliability'. Not 'build quality' - I'd say if anything, the quality feel of hTCs higher end devices in the hand is second only to Apple. It's my big issue with Samsungs, really - they charge £450 for a device that is made of exactly the same materials, and has had exactly the same amount of thought into the design as a £90 ZTE Blade. Incidentally, my HOX is 'perfect', at least for now - they do exist.
However, for the bootloader unlocking/warranty invalidation nonsense hTC have been preaching, even if I hadn't heard so many bad things about the One X, I'm never going to buy another device from them or advise others to. Kind of a shame when devices like the Desire and Desire Z were so damn good.

I bought my hoz, from singapure, using eBay. Its perfect, but I will choose all my entery life a broken hoz than a good sg3. A lot of my friend from my country got 20 time their sg3 back, and still changed it, broken glass inside the Box, no light bottons, others dont turn on and so on. As they dont speak english, and as they use sg3 app phone, no modding at all. I will start writing for then in sg3 Forum talking about Samsung sg3 broken glasses and defect software quality.
So that will be a lovely Forum. It will be a good action, cause a love my friends and to help them. I think every hoz uswrs with friends with sg3 problems should do the same.
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I have a March-build HT23 and it was perfect when I got it and its still perfect now. Go figure.

Burn-in dilemma

Just picked up a refurb XL and, predictably, the navbar burn-in is fairly significant. I assume this is true for the vast majority of XLs out there in the wild that have been used for any length of time.
A couple questions:
1. I believe either the 8.0 or 8.1 update introduced some kind of alternating colors for the navbar to mitigate burn-in? If this is true, is it really the period that XLs were on 7.x when most of the burn-in happened -- meaning if you got a pristine screen now and started off with 8.x right away, you'd be in the clear, meaning normal usage won't ever result in significant navbar burn-in?
2. Is there any hope of RMAing to Google for burn-in if you bought it secondhand? Is there an easy way to check whether it was originally purchased from the Goog Store vs. elsewhere?

I think you are vastly over estimating how many pixels have burn in. Significant burn in simply is not caused by normal use... Maybe it was a display phone or something.

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I think you are vastly over estimating how many pixels have burn in. Significant burn in simply is not caused by normal use... Maybe it was a display phone or something.
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Even for the persistent on screen buttons? It only makes sense that those will burn in over a long period of normal use, at least without special software tricks.
Mine has moderate burn-in where the navbar is when I view fullscreen videos, but none visible anywhere else on the screen. I found a few older threads here where many people report the same issue, in some cases after only weeks of normal use.

Mine is a 2016 pixel with no burn in. I've seen a couple old posts about it but nothing suggesting every pixel has extreme burn in issues.

Mine doesn't have it either, I don't think it's normal unless you sit your phone down for hours with the same thing on the screen. These phones are built to withstand normal and even heavy use.

Had mine just over a year and have burn in on the Nav bar only slightly but noticed on a clean img only used this devices for normal use don't leave the display on that much never for like 15+ mins at a time only devices with amoled I've had burn in

lafester said:
I think you are vastly over estimating how many pixels have burn in. Significant burn in simply is not caused by normal use... Maybe it was a display phone or something.
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Not at all. I had a Pixel XL bought in December 2016 - I had to RMA due to burn in issues, I had a new one sent out to me in June 2017 and the screen has burned in on that - i've had to live with this. I'm a moderate user, I usually watch a lot of twitch streams which immerses the display.
I believe Google has seen the numbers of the screen burn on both Pixel phones and made a software change with gestures in Android 9.0 - this in itself is bad for anyone who has it because we're now going to see the burn in even more in my opinion.
It's a fundamental flaw with Pixel devices - the average user probably isn't even aware that they have it, but it's definitely an issue.

Try to contact with them via chat which is integrated with pixel device!
I said them that I bough the device used without receipt and they offered me a replacement solution l..
They was gonna replace my device with new one because of WiFi problem but apparently I live in Cyprus and they can not cover me under warranty because there is not an authorised google service center (there is an HTC one but no luck either) so I did DIY by adding some plastic cards and now it’s working just fine!)

Status bar burn in here. I think it's unavoidable.

dimitrispas22 said:
Try to contact with them via chat which is integrated with pixel device!
I said them that I bough the device used without receipt and they offered me a replacement solution l..
They was gonna replace my device with new one because of WiFi problem but apparently I live in Cyprus and they can not cover me under warranty because there is not an authorised google service center (there is an HTC one but no luck either) so I did DIY by adding some plastic cards and now it’s working just fine!)
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I tried this, but as I have a crack on the back glass, it is going to charge me an excess fee - if I claim on my insurance over here it's a £100 excess and guaranteed either a new phone or cash equivalent in 48hrs . So beware if you have any damage other than the screen burn they'll claim it voids the warranty even if it's unrelated to the burn in issues.

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I tried this, but as I have a crack on the back glass, it is going to charge me an excess fee - if I claim on my insurance over here it's a £100 excess and guaranteed either a new phone or cash equivalent in 48hrs . So beware if you have any damage other than the screen burn they'll claim it voids the warranty even if it's unrelated to the burn in issues.
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Do a DIY and fix the back glass yourself see jerryrigeverything chanel for replacment and be careful not to scratch the metall and get one with preinstalled adhesive!
Hope it works!

dimitrispas22 said:
Do a DIY and fix the back glass yourself see jerryrigeverything chanel for replacment and be careful not to scratch the metall and get one with preinstalled adhesive!
Hope it works!
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For the price of an insurance job, and me looking to get the oneplus 6, there's no real point tbh.
May get the Pixel 3 in October too.

droid_1989 said:
For the price of an insurance job, and me looking to get the oneplus 6, there's no real point tbh.
May get the Pixel 3 in October too.
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Great idea!
What are your thoughts about pixel's notch?
(I think it gonna be huge . )

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Great idea!
What are your thoughts about pixel's notch?
(I think it gonna be huge . )
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I don't think the notch will go away any time soon, for me it doesn't bother me. I suspect we will see it on a tablet soon too.

dimitrispas22 said:
Try to contact with them via chat which is integrated with pixel device!
I said them that I bough the device used without receipt and they offered me a replacement solution l..
They was gonna replace my device with new one because of WiFi problem but apparently I live in Cyprus and they can not cover me under warranty because there is not an authorised google service center (there is an HTC one but no luck either) so I did DIY by adding some plastic cards and now it’s working just fine!)
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Tried chat but they said the warranty expired late last year, so no luck.
Looks to me like it's almost impossible to get a new XL these days, and almost all used ones are going to have the burn in. What a shame that they produced relatively few units for how many people wanted this device, creating short supply and an awful market for late adopters looking for a deal. I'm not interested in the 2 XL unless it gets down to around half its current cost -- too many compromises with the display, no headphone, etc. to justify $700+ for me.

Me too
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Tried chat but they said the warranty expired late last year, so no luck.
Looks to me like it's almost impossible to get a new XL these days, and almost all used ones are going to have the burn in. What a shame that they produced relatively few units for how many people wanted this device, creating short supply and an awful market for late adopters looking for a deal. I'm not interested in the 2 XL unless it gets down to around half its current cost -- too many compromises with the display, no headphone, etc. to justify $700+ for me.
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I am in your shoes too (a bit)...Bought a refurbed Pixel XL last week from Amazon..Have fairly faint, but existent navbar burn in...I have e-mailed the seller on Amazon and they asked for pictures, but even if I get a replacement phone, will that have burn-in also?
Google chat yielded no results as they wouldn't give me any warranty info since I'm not the original buyer.
I am super picky about this kind of stuff, and my Nexus 6 and moto 360 tormented me with burn-in, but I got this phone for like $225...I might just try to forget about it, and enjoy the life I get from it.

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I am in your shoes too (a bit)...Bought a refurbed Pixel XL last week from Amazon..Have fairly faint, but existent navbar burn in...I have e-mailed the seller on Amazon and they asked for pictures, but even if I get a replacement phone, will that have burn-in also?
Google chat yielded no results as they wouldn't give me any warranty info since I'm not the original buyer.
I am super picky about this kind of stuff, and my Nexus 6 and moto 360 tormented me with burn-in, but I got this phone for like $225...I might just try to forget about it, and enjoy the life I get from it.
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Yep, also got mine from the Amazon refurb listing. I'd be fine with it for the price if not for this stupid burn in thing. I'm trying to get over it, but seems like it's going to be a real factor for things like fullscreen video/movies, VR, etc. And to make it worse, with Goog pushing toward gesture navigation in Android P, the navbar will no longer have the same outline... we may be seeing the burn in constantly instead of just in those full screen situations.

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Yep, also got mine from the Amazon refurb listing. I'd be fine with it for the price if not for this stupid burn in thing. I'm trying to get over it, but seems like it's going to be a real factor for things like fullscreen video/movies, VR, etc. And to make it worse, with Goog pushing toward gesture navigation in Android P, the navbar will no longer have the same outline... we may be seeing the burn in constantly instead of just in those full screen situations.
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I think after demoing P in Android Studio, gestures are merely optional to turn on, so hopefully, the navbar stays (I think I'd prefer the navbar anyways).... but, I'll let you know what the Amazon seller comes back with. The only time I REALLY see it is during bootup white screen, and specific wallpaper colors
Edit: The seller on Amazon is offering a replacement after photos. Hopefully I can get a phone before I send this one back, and hopefully it won't have burn-in.

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I am in your shoes too (a bit)...Bought a refurbed Pixel XL last week from Amazon..Have fairly faint, but existent navbar burn in...I have e-mailed the seller on Amazon and they asked for pictures, but even if I get a replacement phone, will that have burn-in also?
Google chat yielded no results as they wouldn't give me any warranty info since I'm not the original buyer.
I am super picky about this kind of stuff, and my Nexus 6 and moto 360 tormented me with burn-in, but I got this phone for like $225...I might just try to forget about it, and enjoy the life I get from it.
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chat again with them and tell them that you don't have the receipt and the box. I said to them that I bought it used from someone else and they offered me a replacement if I am able to sent in to a person who lives in the UK and sent it directly to them ..don't listen only one agent try 2-3 times until they offer you the best solution they can ....since I wasn't able to get the offer since I am in Cyprus and I am 16 years old I did DIY and fixed my wifi problem myself
PS. have burned in on navbar but it's not a big deal since isn't too much noticeable!
and the best thing for me I love stock android and fast updates but where I live all people are using Samsung and iPhone (my friends saying that I am crazy because of that:crying::laugh
anyway, good luck!

So as an update, they said they'd replace my phone, but I had to send into them, then they'd send me a new one. I'm not going 10 days without a phone, so I am sending this one back, and just ordered another one. Hopefully, my new one won't have burn-in also.

Question Upgrading to Fold 5.

Might be early, but whom will be doing that?

I will first have a look at the new Pixel Fold, compare it with the Fold 5 and decide then.
Fold 5 could be the choice, if the pen is integrated in the device and battery capacity is improved.
There's no hurry ...

Only reading the rumours (and I totally appreciate they are only rumours) that it is going to be a be a very similar device to the fold 4 with only a hinge change I'm not going to bother. To me, it's not worth paying the premium again.
I'm still really enjoying my fold 3 and it serves me very well. I've not noticed any slow down or battery drop off.
The pixel fold was tempting but I occasionally use the s pen, which I think I would miss. And given Samsung haven't failed the Fold3 with software or security updates I'm not too bothered.
I will miss their camera though!

Not going for a first gen folding phone

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Only reading the rumours (and I totally appreciate they are only rumours) that it is going to be a be a very similar device to the fold 4 with only a hinge change I'm not going to bother. To me, it's not worth paying the premium again.
I'm still really enjoying my fold 3 and it serves me very well. I've not noticed any slow down or battery drop off.
The pixel fold was tempting but I occasionally use the s pen, which I think I would miss. And given Samsung haven't failed the Fold3 with software or security updates I'm not too bothered.
I will miss their camera though!
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Yeah, the Fold 5 is gonna have a similar footprint as the Fold 4. However the crease on the Fold 5 will be less noticable and it will have no gap when closed.

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Might be early, but whom will be doing that?
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To be honest Samsung has put me off of folding anything, as well as Samsung Products. I waited to get a folder until I thought the tech was mature enough, as someone else said , I'm not buying a gen 1 device. I had the S21 Ultra and it was rad. We switched Carriers and I thought the ZFold 3 would be neat, and it was for the first couple of weeks. After showing it off to everyone that wanted to see it and settling in to normal use, I quickly figured out that I had downgraded while spending way more on the device. The folding quickly became a rarely used gimmick, I would say I used it once or twice a week, that's not Samsung's fault, I should have thought more about my own needs and habits. As a bar phone it fell short of the older s21 ultra in every metric that I cared about, that is on Samsung and Me, I should have done more due diligence. What Put me off of Samsung though is how they handled the Warranty. 3 days before my warranty expired the seam in the fold went and the inner screen was done for. Samsung told me to take it to the Asurion repair shop and they informed me that no mater what it was going to be considered external damage, even though I had never dropped it or over used the fold. I had to replace it, even though it was known issue. I have been with Samsung since the Behold 2, I have had so many of their phones and products over the years and its just a bummer. I almost sold our bespoke fridge over it, but its just so pretty. So nah, I dont think Im gonna buy it. Sorry, that rant came out of no where.

I have been put off folding phones because of how I have to really take care when the phone is opened. I had the bubbling issue with the factory screen protector and after visiting a samsung store to see if I could get it replaced they declined, I like my fold 3 and will use it a little longer but think my next phone will be the s24 ultra when that comes out.

That is not always the case. I had the issue with my inner screen protector and Samsung Repair Center in Zurich replaced it at no charge.
They mentioned, it's done for free only once, the next time, I have to pay 50 bucks to get it replaced.

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To be honest Samsung has put me off of folding anything, as well as Samsung Products. I waited to get a folder until I thought the tech was mature enough, as someone else said , I'm not buying a gen 1 device. I had the S21 Ultra and it was rad. We switched Carriers and I thought the ZFold 3 would be neat, and it was for the first couple of weeks. After showing it off to everyone that wanted to see it and settling in to normal use, I quickly figured out that I had downgraded while spending way more on the device. The folding quickly became a rarely used gimmick, I would say I used it once or twice a week, that's not Samsung's fault, I should have thought more about my own needs and habits. As a bar phone it fell short of the older s21 ultra in every metric that I cared about, that is on Samsung and Me, I should have done more due diligence. What Put me off of Samsung though is how they handled the Warranty. 3 days before my warranty expired the seam in the fold went and the inner screen was done for. Samsung told me to take it to the Asurion repair shop and they informed me that no mater what it was going to be considered external damage, even though I had never dropped it or over used the fold. I had to replace it, even though it was known issue. I have been with Samsung since the Behold 2, I have had so many of their phones and products over the years and its just a bummer. I almost sold our bespoke fridge over it, but its just so pretty. So nah, I dont think Im gonna buy it. Sorry, that rant came out of no where.
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Wow, how do you NOT use the inner screen on this phone?! I very rarely use the outer screen, and am on the inner one all day. Only times I use the outer one is in the car (it is in a wireless charging arm that comes down from the dashboard next to my Android car unit screen), for the stopwatch while using mouthwash (takes up less counter space folded), and if I'm doing something quick (like turning on a Vibe on my Apollo Neuro device) while it is folded for being in my purse or on a wireless charger. I'm glad the outer screen is there, especially for the Always-On screen to see the time, calendar, and notifications, but the inner one is so much better and more useful for everything. A lot easier to type on, too.
I replaced the inner screen protector with the White-whatever one once (there was a bubble creeping along the fold and it no longer had the anti-fingerprint feature) and it was pretty easy to do. Have had this since a few days before launch day. Another year and some months to finish paying it off, so we'll see what's out then for folding phones, but I usually don't upgrade often.

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Not going for a first gen folding phone
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Especially when it has older hardware, like the Pixel Fold. I might forgo the Pixel 8P and go straight for the Fold 2. That's the only way I can justify spending for two phones.

Rather upgrade to Fold 5 versus pixel fold 1.

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What are the reviews I'm currently using S22 ultra is it a good idea to switch to fold. I want an honest review about this! Want to switch on fold.

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Im actually considering to upgrade. I soo far love the Fold 3 as it is and its been a wonderful experience soo far. And seeing news and leaked images of the Fold 5 is making me want to upgrade. There is also the Pixel Fold being launched soon to the market and I also heard that Oneplus is working on one already. I thought Ill wait until all these releases and then opt the best out of the lot!

How good are the Fold devices from Samsung? Do you recommend me getting once cause Im really intrigued by them and I want them to be performing well enough too. Are they optimized enough and do they get slow over time? How is the battery performance? Ive also heard about multiple applications not being well optimized to the Aspect Ratio of the phone since the Main has a big screen, how does this affect the UX and what about the gaming compatibilities?
I would love to know about the requested queries!

Prakash_Raj said:
How good are the Fold devices from Samsung? Do you recommend me getting once cause Im really intrigued by them and I want them to be performing well enough too. Are they optimized enough and do they get slow over time? How is the battery performance? Ive also heard about multiple applications not being well optimized to the Aspect Ratio of the phone since the Main has a big screen, how does this affect the UX and what about the gaming compatibilities?
I would love to know about the requested queries!
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The best thing for you to do is go into a store and play around with a demo unit to see if it is good for you. As everybodys opinon of the device is different and it is all based on user preference

Prakash_Raj said:
How good are the Fold devices from Samsung? Do you recommend me getting once cause Im really intrigued by them and I want them to be performing well enough too. Are they optimized enough and do they get slow over time? How is the battery performance? Ive also heard about multiple applications not being well optimized to the Aspect Ratio of the phone since the Main has a big screen, how does this affect the UX and what about the gaming compatibilities?
I would love to know about the requested queries!
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They are pretty good in my opinion. Ive been using the Fold 3 for a while now and there is no major complaints as such. Like @iceepyon mentioned, its always good to check it hands-on for a better understanding of the device and your liking towards it.

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The best thing for you to do is go into a store and play around with a demo unit to see if it is good for you. As everybodys opinon of the device is different and it is all based on user preference
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Okay I get that! Nothing beats a hands-on experience on the device itself so yes, I think I will check the device out in real to truly understand if its for me or not.
But since ya'll have been using the Fold on a daily basis for a while, I wanted to know how good it is on a long term and as a daily driver for daily usage and stuff.

EdwardMatthew said:
What are the reviews I'm currently using S22 ultra is it a good idea to switch to fold. I want an honest review about this! Want to switch on fold.
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Hey hope you all are doing great! Seems like you guys didn't see my comment that's why I'm commenting again