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Turns out the 16 Core GPU Is bad

Hey guys, many of you will know that most games you play lack in FPS, most commonly in NFS most wanted or real racing 3, heck ive even see people say Temple run lags.
Some people say, Developers need to make the games work with the 16 core GPU as its not that common.
I looked it up, and it turns out that even though its a 16 core GPU it isnt even nearly as good as the Adreno 320 found in the nexus 4, Xperia Z etc and that the CPU Isnt as good as last years processors ( SD S4 Pro, Nvidia Quad core Tegra 3 )
to be fair I already knew that the Processor wasnt that good, but for anyone who says that their games arent running well its because of that.
I have to give a hand to Huawei though, in there recent firmware updates the benchmark scores have been getting higher, which is great meaning the processor, RAM and GPU are all working a little bit better then they were before.
Im just curious as to how long they can keep updating it to be better, it wont take long until mainstream games require a minimum of the equivalent of the Adreno 330.
Ive also read that the Huawei Ascend P6 + is it? The phablet version will have a better processor clocked at 1.6ghz and maybe a better GPU?
Anyone got any more info? or do games run well enough for you not to care?
Let me know
- Jack

The gaming performance is mixed. See this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8LskTQQWA
As you can see, some high graphics demanding games work well while others not. I don't game on mobile so didn't try any gaming except two days ago with Shadowgun: deadzone. I use B118. While on the video above, it only complains about glitches on panning, but for me oddly the whole graphics was corrupted and unplayable. Maybe someone with B117 or B116 Roms could check if shadowgun works better.
But I still doubt its a problem with the processor. Because the benchmarks are close to the Nexus 4 and S3. I doubt also there are any games made that would not be compatible with those devices and hence if it can work on that, it should work on the P6. It would take another year atleast before game developers plan to ignore Nexus 4 and Samsung S3.** Hence problem seems to come down to optimization.* (Also, with the shadowgun updating itself a week ago, they have officially said that the new update has problem with all Samsungs devices cause of its GPU and they would come with a fix. This could be the same issue with P6 that these games haven't been made to optimize for Vivante GC 4000.)
Furthermore, I also think that the unique abilities of the Huawei like the 64bit memory etc are not being taken advantage off because of other processors lacking it.
As for news on K3V3 and K3V2 Pro processor and the new P6S, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487791

It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.

tauio111 said:
It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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The nexus 4 is almost half the price at £159 for the 8gb and the huawei ascend P6 retails at £329 ( although its gone down from £329 too £309 to £279 )
The nexus 4 seems like the better option, ive had one, they're quick, good looking but the battery sucks and so does the camera.
Honestly, the only reason i want a P6 is the amazing build, i want a metal phone so badly ! and apparently the camera isnt half bad

Optimization seems to be the problem. Agreed. But can it be solved by firmware updates ? Or is it totally dependent on game developers ? Android 4.4 brings better optimizations including for games supposedly. So that would be one option im looking forward too. So if android is better optimized maybe soon the super power processors would get tough to differentiate on usage performance and would become less important.

If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?

warea said:
If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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I just played Asphalt 7 on the P6...lagging in menu's and in gameplay...

Engineers at HUAWEI screwed up a bit when chosing the GPU for otherwise pretty nice chip. While the GPU has an ok performance, since its olny present on very few devices, devs aren't showing much love. This is understandable, because I can see why devs wouldn't want to spend resources on optimizing their app for a GPU noone really has.
Since I don't use my device for gaming, I'm quite satisfied with my purchase.

Performance comparison of the GPU: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2671145379?lp=5027&is_bakan=0&mo_device=1
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.

warea said:
Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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i have the solution delete cache of the game this is because the game try to save textures in sd card or something like that

Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not

Traace said:
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Yea must say im disappointed with GPU power on my P6 :/. My old SII is better in games :/

Is it really? I have no problem with graphics on it. If I want to play a game I generally use my PC. The P6 plays the little games perfectly.

Even Qualcomms new mid range 1.4ghz quad core processor is getting better antutu scores
http://androidcommunity.com/qualcom...rocessor-aimed-at-mid-range-devices-20131101/
I hope trace is right in that the kernal and so on are messed up by Huawei and hence the Huawei processors underperforming than what it really can. But more than games im actually looking out for the processor doing something special using up its unique capabilities like 64bit memory, more cores, and so on. Thereby allowing features like touchless control and advanced programming capabilities, better user interface performance and better battery management. Phones like Moto x and iPhones seem to perform much advanced even though they don't carry the highest end specs. And I would like such smart performance.

4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/

warea said:
4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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Nice.

P6 has 64bit Memory Hardware, but its scaled down to 32bits while processing cause Java cant use
Phone Hardware is a beast even if GPU based on Adreno200. This is 16Core, orginal Adreno200 is 1-2Core.

Dual sim version
Is huawei ascend P6 dual sim version released???

This GPU is really good in physics, better then my wifes optimus g with adreno 320. And if u run YouiLabs Shader Test, adreno wont even start the BALL test. Looks like adreno cant handle it. So this gpu seems be great in shaders and physics.

[Q] G3 Performance in real life

Hi Guys am about to drop my older device Galaxy S2 and consider buying a brand new LG G3
but am a bit worry about the performance in real life because of the big screen and the 2K resolution and the heavy software skin
i watch several youtube videos but none of them give me a good idea about the performance
so can you plz help me is there lot of lags that lead to a bad experience or it's just from time to time
i also want to know about gaming is the experience smooth or not

T-Rex said:
Hi Guys am about to drop my older device Galaxy S2 and consider buying a brand new LG G3
but am a bit worry about the performance in real life because of the big screen and the 2K resolution and the heavy software skin
i watch several youtube videos but none of them give me a good idea about the performance
so can you plz help me is there lot of lags that lead to a bad experience or it's just from time to time
i also want to know about gaming is the experience smooth or not
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On latest firmwares - from time to time
Heavy 3d games - like, Real Racing 3 or GTA san andreas - are unplayable.
P.S. I still use my old s3 from time to time

YaDr said:
On latest firmwares - from time to time
Heavy 3d games - like, Real Racing 3 or GTA san andreas - are unplayable.
P.S. I still use my old s3 from time to time
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@YaDr
even with the snapdragon 801 and the adreno 330 heavy 3D games are unplayable ??
shouldi consider a Z3
because i want to throw some 500 $ and i don't want a handset with lags

T-Rex said:
@YaDr
even with the snapdragon 801 and the adreno 330 heavy 3D games are unplayable ??
shouldi consider a Z3
because i want to throw some 500 $ and i don't want a handset with lags
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Well, not "unplayable" in usual sense. Thing is, this phone tends to overheat and slow down, and that causes FPS in GTA:SA and RR3 to drop to 20 or so -> which is far from smooth, but still playable.
And yeah, 2k resoltion is a bit too much for 330.
Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpjrGALfkiY

Overclocking and Gaming question

Hello,
I would like to ask about overclocking my device - Zenfone 2 ZE550ML 720p (1,8GHz/2GB RAM). Im playing games on my phone a lot when Im on the trips and later the newest games are started lagging like.. Order and Chaos 2, Dungeon Hunter 5 or Eternity Warriors 4 arent running flawlessly either.
I wanted to ask if I can overclock my CPU and GPU to higher values to get better performance since CPU model is Z3560 (1,8GHz) is almost the same as Z3580 with 2,3GHz and Z3570 got highest GPU frequency with 640Mhz - we got 544MHz or so?)
Samsung Note 5 or Iphone 6 can run these games without any issue why our device cant? :|
Also dungeon hunter 5 looks really awful like on my old Mali 450 device and my friend with S6 got a lot better graphics .. (resolution looks like 480p on mine - textures are really bad)..
Is there any way how to overclock CPU/GPU or its locked by Intel? Should I try custom ROM to get better performance in games or it would make it even worse?
Zenfone 2 got highest GFX Bench values for GPU its over S6/Note5/Iphone6/OneplusOne.. but games are running better on these devices..
Thank you for your help.. my device isnt roother either flashed to another rom Im running on stock but I have no problem rooting my device as long as I can play games without lag.

Intel needs optimisation i think...

Anyone please answer ?
Thanks

The iPhone 6 and Galaxy S6 have better GPUs. The ZenFone 2 uses the same GPU as the iPhone 5S, and it's slightly better than the Adreno 330 used in the Galaxy S5 and the LG G3.
For GFXBench, makes sure you're comparing the "Offscreen" scores.

Well thank you for the answer but I didnt ask for this.. I know what GPU CPU RAM ROM etc.. this phone got. I wouldnt buy it if I didnt do little research. Why I should check Offscreen values when I got 720p display ? Its just nonsense or games are rendered for 1080px in default? Cannot be true..
Onscreen value is the one that we should compare. And there are only 2 phones that can beat Zenfone 2 ZE550ML... so why games are lagging.. while it doesnt on other phones.

Its not overclockable until today. Kernel can set higher clockspeed but the SOC (GPU&CPU) will not run faster than spec clock.

Laggy games
what there is experience if we play the game, then zenfone 2 will feel the heat and the games that we play becomes laggy? does anyone have a solution?
Thank you.

Check Project T. They have an under/overclocked kernel. It goes up to 2ghz. It's not much, but makes a difference. Only read about it, so I don't know if they overclocked the gpu as well.

Rageweawer said:
Well thank you for the answer but I didnt ask for this.. I know what GPU CPU RAM ROM etc.. this phone got. I wouldnt buy it if I didnt do little research. Why I should check Offscreen values when I got 720p display ? Its just nonsense or games are rendered for 1080px in default? Cannot be true..
Onscreen value is the one that we should compare. And there are only 2 phones that can beat Zenfone 2 ZE550ML... so why games are lagging.. while it doesnt on other phones.
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You were comparing to the Note 5 and iPhone 6, both phones have much more powerful GPUs.
And the offscreen scores just give you a uniform comparison for different GPUs.

But Note 5, Edge and S6 got 2K display my Zenfone ZE550ML is 720p so there isnt any way why this phone would need stronger GPU. When I benchmark GFXBench Im at the same values or at better values than these phones.. its not really about the stronger GPU.. I dont want to be rude guys but Im complete newbie in this and I think that I got more knowledge than all of you. When you are playing game then onscreen value is counted you arent playing on 2K when you have only 720p display.. thats why ZE550ML with 720p display got bigger 3D score than 1080px version ZE551ML.

As i said, this is a intel chip and the Houdini conversion must probably still have some improvement.
For me, this is a software issue....

Rageweawer said:
But Note 5, Edge and S6 got 2K display my Zenfone ZE550ML is 720p so there isnt any way why this phone would need stronger GPU. When I benchmark GFXBench Im at the same values or at better values than these phones.. its not really about the stronger GPU.. I dont want to be rude guys but Im complete newbie in this and I think that I got more knowledge than all of you. When you are playing game then onscreen value is counted you arent playing on 2K when you have only 720p display.. thats why ZE550ML with 720p display got bigger 3D score than 1080px version ZE551ML.
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wow.. but in reality those devices still beats us.. blame the x86 or intel chipset then.. maybe the games is slower because it needs to be translated from ARM to x86 in zf2.. and another thing, our CPU antutu score is only around 46-48k for ze551ml, you cant compare S6 with 60k antutu.. CPU influences GPU performance too..

cangcan said:
wow.. but in reality those devices still beats us.. blame the x86 or intel chipset then.. maybe the games is slower because it needs to be translated from ARM to x86 in zf2.. and another thing, our CPU antutu score is only around 46-48k for ze551ml, you cant compare S6 with 60k antutu.. CPU influences GPU performance too..
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Btw these are becoz, games are not well optimised for power vr gpu and x86 sadly... Gameloft optimize much for mali gpu, as they teamed up, while many games optimized for adreno
And graphics benchmarks using cpu and gpu not just gpu.. So the scores they scored are including cpu, gpu.. .

Well Im gonna wait for Snapdragon 820 and then I will buy a new phone.. or I will pick Meizu 5 Pro with Exynos 7420.. I though Zenfone 2 will be good device for another 2 years in case of gaming but I got this device for 6 months and games started lagging.. because this phone isnt strong enough thats so sad.. I even skipped ZE551ML for only ZE550ML to have 720p display so FPS in games would be better.. but this phone cant even run newest games on full fps.
Can someone verify if its only my problem that games are lagging or its because of the low power of this device? (Maybe someone who got CM12.1 can check if there is better performance?)
Games:
Dungeon Hunter 5
Order and Chaos 2
Eternity Warriors 4
Asphalt 8 (started lagging little bit too after last update on highest settings)
Every game from this list is play-able but for example Dungeon Hunter 5 got really bad graphic and feels like 15 FPS, same goes for Eternity Warriors 4 and Order and Chaos 2 is running normally like 60 FPS and then lag for a second and making it really awful to play.
Thanks

Rageweawer said:
Well Im gonna wait for Snapdragon 820 and then I will buy a new phone.. or I will pick Meizu 5 Pro with Exynos 7420.. I though Zenfone 2 will be good device for another 2 years in case of gaming but I got this device for 6 months and games started lagging.. because this phone isnt strong enough thats so sad.. I even skipped ZE551ML for only ZE550ML to have 720p display so FPS in games would be better.. but this phone cant even run newest games on full fps.
Can someone verify if its only my problem that games are lagging or its because of the low power of this device? (Maybe someone who got CM12.1 can check if there is better performance?)
Games:
Dungeon Hunter 5
Order and Chaos 2
Eternity Warriors 4
Asphalt 8 (started lagging little bit too after last update on highest settings)
Every game from this list is play-able but for example Dungeon Hunter 5 got really bad graphic and feels like 15 FPS, same goes for Eternity Warriors 4 and Order and Chaos 2 is running normally like 60 FPS and then lag for a second and making it really awful to play.
Thanks
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Not to be rude or anything. But I guess it goes with the saying... "you get what you paid for".... Technically and almost often, the more you pay the more you get. Ip6 and s6 are not eligible comparison to zf2 for 3 reasons.
1. Specs
2. Price
3. They both belong to high end high price phones while zf2 belongs to the mid range.
Just my two cents.

I have never noticed these game stutters and problems other people seem to have. I don't game on my phone much these days, but my 550 and my memo pad 7 me572 (same ram and same atom 3560 as the 550 but 1200p display) have had no trouble with games when ever I have.

If u are in stock rom just go to power saver app and use the customized mode ..... Use high performance and extend battery standby by choosing only the apps u wantbto give uodates in background in notification panel
Performance will improve and no change in battery

livewire168 said:
Not to be rude or anything. But I guess it goes with the saying... "you get what you paid for".... Technically and almost often, the more you pay the more you get. Ip6 and s6 are not eligible comparison to zf2 for 3 reasons.
1. Specs
2. Price
3. They both belong to high end high price phones while zf2 belongs to the mid range.
Just my two cents.
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Well I would never buy iPhone 6 or S6.. because S6 here in Czech republic (Europe) cost over 1000 USD while Meizu 5 Pro will cost around 500-550 USD and performs better than S6 with the same hardware.. I got my ZE550ML almost the first day that it was released for 260 USD. I was doing a big research especially about the gaming performance and I found that Zenfone 2 is out performing every mobile phone even One Plus One - the flag ship killer. Because its 720p display ZE550ML had the most FPS in every syntetic 3D benchmark. There simply wasnt stronger phone at the time I bough this phone for 3D performance.
Thats why I also dont get it why games laggs on this phone while FPS is so high... S6 got 2k display and got lower onscreen FPS values than Zenfone 2 onscreen. Why is game lagging then. I had no problem to pay 500USD for a phone that could run every game flawlessly for around 1,5 year.. and I though Zenfone with these FPS values was enough so why would I buy 1000 USD or 500 USD phone when Zenfone for 260 USD had the most FPS ? If zenfone 2 had 20 FPS average and 500 USD phone had 60 FPS I would definetly buy 500 USD phone.. but when ZF2 had 35 FPS in TRex and 500 USD phone had 30 FPS.
Thats why I didnt get any MT6752/3 phone with Mali T760 / 720 (MP2?) because they are getting like 7 FPS and cost 150-200USD (almost same as ZF2 - they got even higher antutu because of the CPU but GPU is just trash in MTK SoC).
I will get new Letv/Meizu/Xiaomi for 450 USD that should be released in about 2 months I hope so.. but now Im finding if there is a way that ZF 2 can be capable of playing these games without lags.
- Overclock
- ROM change
- Factory reset ? (I guess it wouldnt help)
- ??

android lover 2000 said:
If u are in stock rom just go to power saver app and use the customized mode ..... Use high performance and extend battery standby by choosing only the apps u wantbto give uodates in background in notification panel
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There is zero performance incerase even if I play games in ultra power safe mode they are just running the same as in performance mode.. looks like placeholder for "newbie" people.

Hmm... in this case, something is wrong with your phone. On mine, its a clear difference.

What games on S20 Ultra plays in 120fps mode?

I've tried few games like Real Racing 3 and Shadow Legends which both ran on 120fps on ROG Phone 2, but they only show 60fps on S20 Ultra. so was wondering what games supports S20 Ultra 120hz display.

I believe Asphalt 9 does. How do you check at what refresh rate the game will play at?
Edit: found this list.

every game if you use this

Pokemon GO definitely

ismailonrails said:
I've tried few games like Real Racing 3 and Shadow Legends which both ran on 120fps on ROG Phone 2, but they only show 60fps on S20 Ultra. so was wondering what games supports S20 Ultra 120hz display.
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Have you tried dolphin?
Lol been asking everyone to test this.
Not sure if they have a 120 fps mode but would be nice to see if it actually runs games.
If it does then anything on the play store will be a breeze

dladz said:
Have you tried dolphin?
Lol been asking everyone to test this.
Not sure if they have a 120 fps mode but would be nice to see if it actually runs games.
If it does then anything on the play store will be a breeze
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Someone on reddit running it and very happy with it

Mohamad Gahed said:
Someone on reddit running it and very happy with it
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Really? Will check it out. There's a Mali optimized version.
The windwaker on GameCube ran perfect on the oneplus 5, perfect when I removed the page file on the P20 Pro and added performance mode via magisk (utterly unplayable without those tweaks)
Literally no settings would allow the pro to run those games..
If the 77 can run GameCube games and perhaps Wii then I'll be impressed.
I know the 865 is something special and this is Samsung's last chip is making, just hope they optimize it, for £1400 it should be able to run anything.
I think I'm going to find it's bottleneck, my money's on the GPU.

dladz said:
Really? Will check it out. There's a Mali optimized version.
The windwaker on GameCube ran perfect on the oneplus 5, perfect when I removed the page file on the P20 Pro and added performance mode via magisk (utterly unplayable without those tweaks)
Literally no settings would allow the pro to run those games..
If the 77 can run GameCube games and perhaps Wii then I'll be impressed.
I know the 865 is something special and this is Samsung's last chip is making, just hope they optimize it, for £1400 it should be able to run anything.
I think I'm going to find it's bottleneck, my money's on the GPU.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS20U...dash/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS20U...dash/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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Yea thats the SD mate I knew it would work perfectly on that, i'm just curious about the Exynos, it's been way behind in the past, hoping this year it'll be up to scratch, for the price it certainly should be.

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Pokemon GO definitely
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Mine seems to fade in and out. Game looks amazing then it fizzles out and looks worse than my S20+

World Of Tanks Blitz is one of my favorites.

Call of duty Mobile and I think PUBG and Fortune too.

Question Is there any way to "un-throttle" 9 Pro full potential?

Regarding the OnePlus throttling gate, you can read here:
Examining OnePlus' Performance Behaviour: Optimization or Misrepresentation?
www.anandtech.com
The OnePlus 9 seems to be throttling its performance in many popular apps
The OnePlus 9 Pro seems to be limiting the performance in popular apps like Chrome, Twitter, Zoom, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, and more.
www.xda-developers.com
This is just stupid, I have been running a 7 pro for 4 years, it has been, hands down, one of the best smartphones I ever owned, performance has been great from day 1 to last day and it is still living with a relative of mine, and he is supper happy with it, I have play a lot, like A LOT and it has worked flawlessly every single time.
I got a 9 pro in october past year and it has been a pain in the ass, the poor performance has been annoyingly usual, the only way to play 120FPS in some games is a magisk module intended for a Samsung F62 which I can't figure out why (because I have no knowledge about this) but it makes some game run 120FPS, however performance is really bad, there is frame drops in some points where my couple's nord 2 demolishes with no issue... I can't figure out why a nord 2 outperforms my 9 pro (i know nord 2 is 90Hz but it is much more solid 90FPS being lower tier).
Let me explain, my couple nord 2 remains 90FPS where my 9 pro gets as low as 30FPS, it is noticeable and annoying.
Is there some sort of magisk module or something "comfortable" for newbies which can be enabled or disabled at taste? I don't mind rebooting phone (I do every time i want to play some games with module I mentioned xd)
I did not tinker with kernels (not yet, did in the past with my former LG G2 and Galaxy S3 but it was quite different). I would like to remain in the Oxygen OS path for now too.
I tried lots of things, AI booster for magisk, also Adreno drivers and nothing seems to work, just performance scaling which seems to lower freq in order to improve battery life, but never higher performance (high performance mode in battery settings seems to do nohing, also tried)

Looking for this as well, as well as a module to disable annoying Doze by the SystemUI. I tried a few modules but the devices still dozes.

SnoopyFTW said:
Regarding the OnePlus throttling gate, you can read here:
Examining OnePlus' Performance Behaviour: Optimization or Misrepresentation?
www.anandtech.com
The OnePlus 9 seems to be throttling its performance in many popular apps
The OnePlus 9 Pro seems to be limiting the performance in popular apps like Chrome, Twitter, Zoom, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, and more.
www.xda-developers.com
This is just stupid, I have been running a 7 pro for 4 years, it has been, hands down, one of the best smartphones I ever owned, performance has been great from day 1 to last day and it is still living with a relative of mine, and he is supper happy with it, I have play a lot, like A LOT and it has worked flawlessly every single time.
I got a 9 pro in october past year and it has been a pain in the ass, the poor performance has been annoyingly usual, the only way to play 120FPS in some games is a magisk module intended for a Samsung F62 which I can't figure out why (because I have no knowledge about this) but it makes some game run 120FPS, however performance is really bad, there is frame drops in some points where my couple's nord 2 demolishes with no issue... I can't figure out why a nord 2 outperforms my 9 pro (i know nord 2 is 90Hz but it is much more solid 90FPS being lower tier).
Let me explain, my couple nord 2 remains 90FPS where my 9 pro gets as low as 30FPS, it is noticeable and annoying.
Is there some sort of magisk module or something "comfortable" for newbies which can be enabled or disabled at taste? I don't mind rebooting phone (I do every time i want to play some games with module I mentioned xd)
I did not tinker with kernels (not yet, did in the past with my former LG G2 and Galaxy S3 but it was quite different). I would like to remain in the Oxygen OS path for now too.
I tried lots of things, AI booster for magisk, also Adreno drivers and nothing seems to work, just performance scaling which seems to lower freq in order to improve battery life, but never higher performance (high performance mode in battery settings seems to do nohing, also tried)
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The links you posted, those articles are not RELEVANT to YOUR issue. The throttling you're experiencing is a thermal throttling behavior that is literally NORMAL and part of EVERY OEM/Phone.
If you're on a STOCK ROM, the only way to somewhat "kill" the default throttling behavior is to disable/freeze the BATTERY package (app) either via Titanium Backup or some other app. That will prevent the phone from throttling based on the SKIN/Battery temperature.
Otherwise, Custom ROMs based on either OOS12 or OOS13 don't have any of that stock OEM throttling behavior.

JohnTheFarm3r said:
The links you posted, those articles are not RELEVANT to YOUR issue. The throttling you're experiencing is a thermal throttling behavior that is literally NORMAL and part of EVERY OEM/Phone.
If you're on a STOCK ROM, the only way to somewhat "kill" the default throttling behavior is to disable/freeze the BATTERY package (app) either via Titanium Backup or some other app. That will prevent the phone from throttling based on the SKIN/Battery temperature.
Otherwise, Custom ROMs based on either OOS12 or OOS13 don't have any of that stock OEM throttling behavior.
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Is it really thermal throttling? I mean, phone does not get any warmer than usual and for example, Brawl Stars is capped at 60 FPS like most games in BBK phones (but Brawl stars worked 120FPS flawless some time ago, not much, a year ago or so I had a Realme GT Neo 2 which ran games buttersmooth and has basically the same software, color OS, which now has the same issue, games capped to 60 FPS and crap performance)
That is not normal behaviour because Brawl Stars devs claimed the game is fully unlocked and if it works below screen refresh is because of the phone software, that's the "throttling" I mean, don't know if it is because of the famous whitelisting of Oppo.
What I mean is in previous software games worked properly and now performance is a joke (I mention realme GT Neo 2 because is what I could test in the past, I loved it, that's why is a bummer getting a "better phone" which works much worse).

Get an Xbox and solve all your game problems!

TheGhost1951 said:
Get an Xbox and solve all your game problems!
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An Xbox? Are you from USA?
I just want my phone works as it should, I don't care about battery.
Also tried disabling battery app and no difference, same behaviour, I'm in OOS13 latest update.
Maybe I should give a try to custom ROM...

SnoopyFTW said:
Is it really thermal throttling? I mean, phone does not get any warmer than usual and for example, Brawl Stars is capped at 60 FPS like most games in BBK phones (but Brawl stars worked 120FPS flawless some time ago, not much, a year ago or so I had a Realme GT Neo 2 which ran games buttersmooth and has basically the same software, color OS, which now has the same issue, games capped to 60 FPS and crap performance)
That is not normal behaviour because Brawl Stars devs claimed the game is fully unlocked and if it works below screen refresh is because of the phone software, that's the "throttling" I mean, don't know if it is because of the famous whitelisting of Oppo.
What I mean is in previous software games worked properly and now performance is a joke (I mention realme GT Neo 2 because is what I could test in the past, I loved it, that's why is a bummer getting a "better phone" which works much worse).
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it is because of thermal throttling, literally. The phone doesn't get warmer because it's being limited, hence the point of thermal throttling.
The refresh rate - FPS - in a game depends solely on the devs. If the game has in one device for example support for 120 FPS, and it doesn't have in another device, it's not because of the device but because the developers either didn't "whitelist" that specific device or weren't updated in a longer time.

JohnTheFarm3r said:
it is because of thermal throttling, literally. The phone doesn't get warmer because it's being limited, hence the point of thermal throttling.
The refresh rate - FPS - in a game depends solely on the devs. If the game has in one device for example support for 120 FPS, and it doesn't have in another device, it's not because of the device but because the developers either didn't "whitelist" that specific device or weren't updated in a longer time.
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Hmm...
With the magisk module I mentioned device name changes from LE2123 to SO-52A or something similar, makes also work codm 120 FPS pretty good, much better than brawl stars which is much weaker in terms of graphics quality and detail.
Is there any way to spoof model name to test this? If so devs are lying big time. When launched 9 pro they announced collab with many games, even hypertouch feature which is gone and for what seems now touch sampling rate is just 120Hz from the 360 advertised (monitoring with apps say so).
Also tried to disable battery app and no difference, behaviour is the same.

SnoopyFTW said:
Hmm...
With the magisk module I mentioned device name changes from LE2123 to SO-52A or something similar, makes also work codm 120 FPS pretty good, much better than brawl stars which is much weaker in terms of graphics quality and detail.
Is there any way to spoof model name to test this? If so devs are lying big time. When launched 9 pro they announced collab with many games, even hypertouch feature which is gone and for what seems now touch sampling rate is just 120Hz from the 360 advertised (monitoring with apps say so).
Also tried to disable battery app and no difference, behaviour is the same.
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Disabling the battery app is for the throttling workaround, not to increase the frames in the game that don't support it on your device. lol
Anyways, blame the devs...They're the ones that need to add support for the specific device to go above the XY FPS.

The smartphone wasn't intended to be a gaming device. Chipset and battery not rated for it. Get an Xbox or some similar device for gaming that it was intended for! Just my opinion.

You can test the throttling using a CPU/GPU Throttle Testing app. The OP 9 starts throttling at a low temperature, I can notice FPS dropping in games starting at 38 degrees.
I use a cooling fan attached to my OP to keep the phone at a constant 32 degrees. I also bought a heat dispersion case to help further.
Also using Konabess to undevolt the GPU also helps a bit.

TheGhost1951 said:
The smartphone wasn't intended to be a gaming device. Chipset and battery not rated for it. Get an Xbox or some similar device for gaming that it was intended for! Just my opinion.
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I'm not asking for it to perform in graphic demanding games, I'm telling you even a redmi note 10 pro (that thing is actually not rated for anything) outperforms the 9 pro in light gaming because it is not capped.
Blame the devs, blame OnePlus, I just want to know if there is any solution, I purchased the phone a few months ago and I'm finding stupid behaviours an "allegedly" flagship should not have.
Jeez even my couple Nord 2 is much better in games, that hurts...
And yeah. Get an Xbox blablabla, I do own a PS4, a powerful laptop and a powerful desktop, I just want my stupid phone to do what it should do or at least know why or if it can be solved, this is not r/xbox.
This is an issue many people complain about but OnePlus ever stated anything.
For what I can see my options are getting a cheap 120HZ phone or custom ROM (I saw a blackshark 4 for 200EUR which runs games fine)

JohnTheFarm3r said:
Disabling the battery app is for the throttling workaround, not to increase the frames in the game that don't support it on your device. lol
Anyways, blame the devs...They're the ones that need to add support for the specific device to go above the XY FPS.
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The thing is when released the 9 pro, OnePlus brand had collabs with many games, even hypertouch, all of it disappeared into thin air...
That was the main reason for me to purchase, I had a great experience with my former 7 pro and I couldn't even think this could be a thing.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1367122914961670156
This thread is of the main dev of the game I'm talking about. He claims the brand has to whitelist app in order to make it work 120HZ/120FPS.
Is there no way to modify that "whitelist"? I've read sometimes about this but rarely found anything (anything users can do about it lmao) and we all know how lazy oppo is with this things, there can be a thousand posts in OnePlus community ther will never answer.

SnoopyFTW said:
The thing is when released the 9 pro, OnePlus brand had collabs with many games, even hypertouch, all of it disappeared into thin air...
That was the main reason for me to purchase, I had a great experience with my former 7 pro and I couldn't even think this could be a thing.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1367122914961670156
This thread is of the main dev of the game I'm talking about. He claims the brand has to whitelist app in order to make it work 120HZ/120FPS.
Is there no way to modify that "whitelist"? I've read sometimes about this but rarely found anything (anything users can do about it lmao) and we all know how lazy oppo is with this things, there can be a thousand posts in OnePlus community ther will never answer.
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This is a GAME SIDE issue, not a phone-side issue. There is no whitelist on a phone that will enable you the unsupported FPS.

SnoopyFTW said:
An Xbox? Are you from USA?
I just want my phone works as it should, I don't care about battery.
Also tried disabling battery app and no difference, same behaviour, I'm in OOS13 latest update.
Maybe I should give a try to custom ROM...
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If you want to try a custom rom, Extended is great as daily driver and for gaming as well

Well, if XBox isn't available then look for a Microsoft Play Station instead!

JohnTheFarm3r said:
This is a GAME SIDE issue, not a phone-side issue. There is no whitelist on a phone that will enable you the unsupported FPS.
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You are totally correct my friend... I have been tinkering with vmos app, I created a virtual machine in my own phone (lmao sounds like science fiction, but damnit this 888 has muscle) and it is just because devs do it intentionally.
I tried different phone makes and models... Casually Snapdragon flagship cap the game to 60FPS, but NORD devices make it run 120 FPS (you can set FPS settings in the VM option).
This is hilarious. Seems to me OnePlus just broke some contract conditions and this is devs punishment... Makes no sense, I have to test further but this is what I found for now. My doubt is if I might get a ban for using the game in a virtual machine... This is not relevant for this post!
Hope it helps someone, for exclusive games working just 120HZ in some devices you can spoof model name without root

SnoopyFTW said:
You are totally correct my friend... I have been tinkering with vmos app, I created a virtual machine in my own phone (lmao sounds like science fiction, but damnit this 888 has muscle) and it is just because devs do it intentionally.
I tried different phone makes and models... Casually Snapdragon flagship cap the game to 60FPS, but NORD devices make it run 120 FPS (you can set FPS settings in the VM option).
This is hilarious. Seems to me OnePlus just broke some contract conditions and this is devs punishment... Makes no sense, I have to test further but this is what I found for now. My doubt is if I might get a ban for using the game in a virtual machine... This is not relevant for this post!
Hope it helps someone, for exclusive games working just 120HZ in some devices you can spoof model name without root
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Try your own phone model in the virtual machine. What happens?

Arealhooman said:
Try your own phone model in the virtual machine. What happens?
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If I set up OnePlus LE2123/20/25 game runs 60FPS.
If I set for instance, my couple nord 2 DN2103 runs 120FPS same settings, just device name and brand changed!
Presets for S20, Xiaomi 10, vivo x50 all run 120 FPS.
Which for me is big yikes It is clearly devs fault, there has to be something odd...

SnoopyFTW said:
You are totally correct my friend... I have been tinkering with vmos app, I created a virtual machine in my own phone (lmao sounds like science fiction, but damnit this 888 has muscle) and it is just because devs do it intentionally.
I tried different phone makes and models... Casually Snapdragon flagship cap the game to 60FPS, but NORD devices make it run 120 FPS (you can set FPS settings in the VM option).
This is hilarious. Seems to me OnePlus just broke some contract conditions and this is devs punishment... Makes no sense, I have to test further but this is what I found for now. My doubt is if I might get a ban for using the game in a virtual machine... This is not relevant for this post!
Hope it helps someone, for exclusive games working just 120HZ in some devices you can spoof model name without root
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So what are you saying exactly: if we spoof our device to a different one, we get more fps?