The snapdragon version isn't available in my country, so I will have to buy the exynos (Pretty cheap right now $500 equivalent). The thing is reviews say the snapdragon doesn't lag a bit while exynos is made for a large device.
Is the performance really this bad? I'm not into eons right now by the way.
No its not worth buying the snapdragon version. My s4 is faster than my note...
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With HMP enabled there is no comparison between the two, exynos is up to 50% faster and potentially more efficient. With HMP disabled (as things currently are) then qualcomm is the slightly better chip, but I'm not convinced that the difference is enough to prefer one soc over the other...
In short Exynos 5420 is artificially neutered to seem worse than qualcomm, yet -even so- going either way won't make much of a difference...
Do you have any benchmarks to prove your claim of a speed bump of 50 %?
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There are a lot of threads about Exynos vs snapdragon, long story short
Exynos , tad better cpu
Snapdragon tad better gpu
I've had both, ended with exynos , because I didn't need 4g, but needed 32 GB ( in scandinavia 4 G seems to be 16 gb only)
Lag was more or less the same
I felt the battery time on the exynos was a tad better
They felt equally as snappy when they needed to
BUT!!!
App support was a tad better on Snapdragon, ie more apps in the plastore worked with the snapdragon version, a few more games etc... no big deal for me, but still get me ticked of when I noticed a few apps I bought weren't compatible ( yet?!) with the new exynos chip ( but worked with my sammy S3 also exynos chip, older )
Exynos is fine. I've played with both and from a UI and app use perspective you can't tell the difference. Adreno's a bit faster than Mali but no so much as to drastically alter performance. Some games are better optimized for Adreno so depending on your choice of games it could make a difference. As for app compatibility it's more likely the 2,560x1,600 display that's causing the issue not the specific SoC. If there were huge differences between Exynos and S-800 or drastic app performance differences and app compatibility issues it would be all over the N3 forum and it's not.
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Do you have any benchmarks to prove your claim of a speed bump of 50 %?
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HMP for 8 cores have not yet released but look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note, so by adding two more large cores you can expect the score to be about 50% more. As I said that is only true were all 8 cores would be used at the same time and they are not throttled (that is why I said "up to").
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Look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note
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Not really. It also has a 267 PPI display which is benefitting its graphics scores in AnTuTu compared to the SGS4 at 441 PPI and N3 at 386 PPI.
http://www.nairaland.com/1597298/samsung-budget-galaxy-note-neo
S-800 vs. Exynos on the N3...
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Not really. It also has a 267 PPI display which is benefitting its graphics scores in AnTuTu compared to the SGS4
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I was more properly referring to CPU scores which are the only ones benefitted from HMP.
I ran a quick AnTuTu (cpu) test to my Exynos 5420 equipped note and here are the results: http://i.imgur.com/zD32DZQ.png
Notice how remarkably similar they are to note neo's cpu score:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/14/01/sgn3n-leak/gsmarena_006.jpg&idNews=7538
Note that note neo has only two large cores which are clocked lower by 10% compared to exynos 5420 and it still posts almost the same score merely by employing the help of the small cores. Now add two large cores more and you'd get 50% more performance, it's simple math really...
Now I'm not saying that it would be a performance that we would actually see in most occasions , it would either be throttled or -even- not supported by most apps but still it's potentially there (which was my point by saying "up to").
What will *definitely* be there if HMP is to be enabled is better battery -though- as it would make more efficient use of the small cores. Since exynos 5422 is also on 28nm yet has HMP enabled leads me to believe that we lack HMP for strategic reasons (so that samsung will sell more exynos 5422 / qualcomm equipped machines)
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I was more properly referring to CPU scores which are the only ones benefitted from HMP.
I ran a quick AnTuTu (cpu) test to my Exynos 5420 equipped note and here are the results: http://i.imgur.com/zD32DZQ.png
Notice how remarkably similar they are to note neo's cpu score:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/14/01/sgn3n-leak/gsmarena_006.jpg&idNews=7538
Note that note neo has only two large cores which are clocked lower by 10% compared to exynos 5420 and it still posts almost the same score merely by employing the help of the small cores. Now add two large cores more and you'd get 50% more performance, it's simple math really...
Now I'm not saying that it would be a performance that we would actually see in most occasions , it would either be throttled or -even- not supported by most apps but still it's potentially there (which was my point by saying "up to").
What will *definitely* be there if HMP is to be enabled is better battery -though- as it would make more efficient use of the small cores. Since exynos 5422 is also on 28nm yet has HMP enabled leads me to believe that we lack HMP for strategic reasons (so that samsung will sell more exynos 5422 / qualcomm equipped machines)
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You can't divorce the impact of display area size and PPI from CPU performance. The GPU doesn't absolve the CPU's role in graphics output. An i3 PC with a killer graphics card will perform worse graphically than an i7 PC with a lesser card because most computational (not rendering, texture mapping, vectoring, and decoding) work is still done on the CPU. So I have no idea what AnTuTu's testing to come up with a CPU rating in isolation but if it's a real-time performance test the CPU's role in graphics output is impacting it. So comparing the Neo with a 5.5" display and 267 PPI against the N10.1-14 with a 10.1" display and 299 PPI isn't going to get you a relevant CPU comparison. That's why I used the N3 and SGS4 as comparisons because only the PPI is off. And the Neo would be well behind the SGS4 in the cumulative AnTuTu test if it had the same PPI because the lower workload of the lower PPI is artificially enhancing its score. At the end of the day an isolated CPU number is pretty meaningless. It's like bench horsepower in a car vs. horsepower to the wheels. A higher bench rating means nothing because none of us drive an engine, we drive a car. The total AnTuTu number (AKA: drive train loss) is more relevant even though it doesn't support the point you're trying to make about HMP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit#Computational_functions
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You can't divorce the impact of display area size and PPI from CPU performance. The GPU doesn't absolve the CPU's role in graphics output. An i3 PC with a killer graphics card will perform worse graphically than an i7 PC with a lesser card because most computational (not rendering, texture mapping, vectoring, and decoding) work is still done on the CPU. So I have no idea what AnTuTu's testing to come up with a CPU rating in isolation but if it's a real-time performance test the CPU's role in graphics output is impacting it. So comparing the Neo with a 5.5" display and 267 PPI against the N10.1-14 with a 10.1" display and 299 PPI isn't going to get you a relevant CPU comparison. That's why I used the N3 and SGS4 as comparisons because only the PPI is off. And the Neo would be well behind the SGS4 in the cumulative AnTuTu test if it had the same PPI because the lower workload of the lower PPI is artificially enhancing its score. At the end of the day an isolated CPU number is pretty meaningless. It's like bench horsepower in a car vs. horsepower to the wheels. A higher bench rating means nothing because none of us drive an engine, we drive a car. The total AnTuTu number (AKA: drive train loss) is more relevant even though it doesn't support the point you're trying to make about HMP.
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Maybe so, but the benchmark in question runs off screen. So while in real life resolution matter in Antutu Cpu score, or super pi , or, or, it doesn't. HMP will make the Cpu 50% faster in multi threaded operations, I never claimed it makes the total machine faster by the same amount. For example an HMP equipped note 2014 will score around 40000 in Antutu , NOT 49500. I don't see where we disagree, I merely think you misunderstood my initial claim
If you live for real world use, the Exynos Note is a wonderful tablet. If you live in the world of needing the highest quadrant and antutu scores you should pass.
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With HMP enabled there is no comparison between the two, exynos is up to 50% faster and potentially more efficient. With HMP disabled (as things currently are) then qualcomm is the slightly better chip, but I'm not convinced that the difference is enough to prefer one soc over the other...
In short Exynos 5420 is artificially neutered to seem worse than qualcomm, yet -even so- going either way won't make much of a difference...
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How did you enable HMP? My note 3 snap dragon is so much faster than my note.
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HMP for 8 cores have not yet released but look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note, so by adding two more large cores you can expect the score to be about 50% more. As I said that is only true were all 8 cores would be used at the same time and they are not throttled (that is why I said "up to").
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It will never be released for Exynos 5420 either, unless Samsung want alot of complains about fried Exynos 5420 chipsets. Also they already said it wont release HMP for Exynos 5420 cause of the heat.
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It will never be released for Exynos 5420 either, unless Samsung want alot of complains about fried Exynos 5420 chipsets. Also they already said it wont release HMP for Exynos 5420 cause of the heat.
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Once again, that's not the reason that they won't release it, if anything the chip would be cooler because more use of A7 cores would be possible and if all 8 cores are needed Samsung could choose to throttle the thing. The reason that they don't release it is the Exynos 5422 which is the same chip but with all 8 cores enabled (also 28nm)...
So no fried socs, lesser profits more like
Well, the new mid-range CPU Snapdragon 650 found on the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro is a beast, check this video minute 4:38, the results on Antutu are around 75000, my Nexus 5X gets around 56000, that is Snapdragon 810 performance from the 650, damn...
Just some food for thought for you guys, 2015 was not the year for Qualcomm, this year though...
The 650 is a lower end version of the 808 (28nm vs 20nm). Your own personal Antutu score does not represent what the 808 is capable of.
The 650 would be a downgrade from the 808 specifically in terms of power usage and heat generation.
lol... check yourself dude. 808 is so much better than anything mid range like SD 6XX. it even beats some SD810 devices. check my score.
AnTuTu means nothing! When you run AnTuTu on a Snapdragon 820 device, few times, it will drop on under 100k (from about 130k).
The new 650 runs like 808...
http://www.gizmochina.com/2016/01/1...x10-vs-snapdragon-808-antutu-scores-compared/
Here you get some realistic benchmarks, not that sience fiction screenshot from the user in #3
So today after almost 8-9 months after purchasing a S9 exynos. I decided to run the geekbench 4. I was expecting low numbers since the current chart had highscore of 3270 and 8524. But mine came up with 3632 and 8861 which is highest score regardless of which phone.
Is this because of Android 9? Or Samsung playing tricks?
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Well, this is my result on Android Pie 9.0
Yea I got the highest score of all phones too, probably some glitch
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So today after almost 8-9 months after purchasing a S9 exynos. I decided to run the geekbench 4. I was expecting low numbers since the current chart had highscore of 3270 and 8524. But mine came up with 3632 and 8861 which is highest score regardless of which phone.
Is this because of Android 9? Or Samsung playing tricks?
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The highest score for the S9 on geekbench is around 4000 for single core and 10k for multi core. 3270 Is the average out of the users who have ran the benchmark with their Exynos S9/S9+. FYI because of Exynos M3 cores and how they are super power hungry they rarely ever run at 2.7ghz they mostly run at 1.7ghz.
In a sense yes Samsung is cheating since I only see the cores run at 2.7ghz with Google octane or Geekbench. Opening a app or even doing light video/photo editing the cores will never reach 2.7ghz. The screen shot is geekbench sorted by "Best scores" and the other screen shot is my geekbench score.
Is there any way of making the night shots on p6p faster like on my p7? It's got to be down to software only, as they use the same camera, it's defo not down to CPU or GPU because my p6p out performs my p7 in everyway specially GPU , CPU is a little fast on p7, but p6p is way snappier and stays so much cooler than p7,
Is there any mods I can install like gcam to make night shots faster?
Can't change anything on pixel camera so you would have to use a modded gcam
Why do you say that? Isn't the Pixel7 series faster than the Pixel6 series at night? Through Tensor G2
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Why do you say that? Isn't the Pixel7 series faster than the Pixel6 series at night? Through Tensor G2
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Yeah only the camera because it's only software making it do that, Google could implement this to the the p6p but do not, to make the p7 look more premium than it actually is, p6p way out performs in gaming and battery, p7 scores 4000+ on vulkan and p6p scores 7000+, you can feel 9t 8n the gaming, it's so weird, only things p7 is slightly better at is the CPU because it's clocked higher, that's all, p7 and pro is all software bumps that's it
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Yeah only the camera because it's only software making it do that, Google could implement this to the the p6p but do not, to make the p7 look more premium than it actually is, p6p way out performs in gaming and battery, p7 scores 4000+ on vulkan and p6p scores 7000+, you can feel 9t 8n the gaming, it's so weird, only things p7 is slightly better at is the CPU because it's clocked higher, that's all, p7 and pro is all software bumps that's it
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It may actually be a SOC strategy problem. Tensorg2 has two A78 cores, which is much better than the two A76 cores equipped by Tensorg1, isn't it? I limited the Pixel6Pro's work frequency. (Both x1 cores up to 2.2G) But it can still get a 2800 multi-core score in the GeekBench5 test ... The highest multi-core score in Tensorg1 in many evaluations is 2950, but according to my test, this is simply not possible. So it is very likely that it is a SOC strategy problem.
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Yeah only the camera because it's only software making it do that, Google could implement this to the the p6p but do not, to make the p7 look more premium than it actually is, p6p way out performs in gaming and battery, p7 scores 4000+ on vulkan and p6p scores 7000+, you can feel 9t 8n the gaming, it's so weird, only things p7 is slightly better at is the CPU because it's clocked higher, that's all, p7 and pro is all software bumps that's it
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Mali-G78 MP20 doesn't outperform Mali-G710 MP7 in games. lmao
Stop relying on ONE benchmark. Try actually comparing games to games on both of those devices and you'll see. lol