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I have the eclipse v3 rom on my phone so I hardly notice anything missing when I compare to the note 4.
I am planning on buying a new phone.. Can't decide between iphone 6splus and the note 5. What do you think would be a better choice that I wouldn't regret in 2 months?
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I have the eclipse v3 rom on my phone so I hardly notice anything missing when I compare to the note 4.
I am planning on buying a new phone.. Can't decide between iphone 6splus and the note 5. What do you think would be a better choice that I wouldn't regret in 2 months?
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if you used android for some time, then you would be disappointed with iPhone. I used both for a long time and can't understand Apple success - it is like going back to 2010, but that's just my opinion.
I also have S5 and N2 and I have to tell, that those are worth every single $
In my opinion I wouldn't go with either!
Apple well I haven't owned any and not even interested in their lame technology!
Note 5 on the other hand has some good features but the lack of sd card slot is a deal breaker and Samsung should know they screwed up and as a result I wouldn't encourage people to give their hard earned money and support a practice like that!
I would suggest you keep your note 4 it's an amazing device and also keep your money for a better device note 5 edge or note 6 whatever they will through at us!
Just support the cause we are the customer and they shall listen to what we want!
It's your call tho what device you want but you won't read satisfied word about Apple here!
Good luck man and I hope you enjoy your new device if you decided to go with either!
If I were you, I would wait until Google announces the new nexus 2015 lineup. As the phone and technology gets old, software updates is the key to keep your old phone alive. Software updates are more important if you are a person who does not change phones every year.
But if you have cash and you have the option to buy a new and latest phone every year, go with the Note 5 in phablet space. If you want to try something different in Android, go with the LG G4. It is equally powerful and has an awesome camera, removable battery, sd card etc.. Both devices are certainly good for power users if you like rooting and flashing etc..
I would suggest Apple products only for simple users (who only make phone calls, text, watch videos and play games). 2 main advantages of using Apple products are software support and app market. Even a 4 year old iphone 4s has the latest official ios 9 running, which is highly impossible for Android devices (unless a nexus). Secondly, the latest apps come to iOS first and then android. Its not much bigger deal as android usually gets it 1 or 2 weeks later, but just saying. Also iOS has many optimized apps for its phones, Android ones are also great, but you don't have to be power user to install apps like greenify etc to optimize the phone.
So my final suggestion is, if you are a power user or have money to buy a new phone every year, go for android (new nexus 2015 or note 5 or lg g4). But if you want something very simple, easy to use, go for an iPhone.
Doesnt jailbreaking make the iphone better? I have never owned an iphone. But people can't stop talking about it.
I keep rooting my phone and trying all the possible roms on it. Otherwise I get bored with it. It would be a bummer if iphone is just for calling, texting and games. I have the note 2.. not the note 4
Yea jailbreaking does improve some functionality of the iPhone.. but i would not recommend it bcoz of many crashes and poor stability. I jailbreaked my ipad and it sucked..
So with all of this I have a bad taste for Samsung. Not the Note 7 because it is a real marvel of a phone, but the company that kind of down played this recall and now is fixing things in the 11th hour. No matter the %, 92 isn't 37 and I hate when companies go half way on ownership.
To that end I pre-ordered an Iphone 7 plus 256GB in jet black. For the meantime while my Note sat in a drawer, I wound up using a spare new Iphone 6 that my helpdesk guy had laying around. I made things my own by adding cards to apple pay, using a hack to get icons to move down and to the right, using the IOS 10 widget panel, GMAIL, Google cal, Google Play music, news stand etc. Here is why I need help...
Iphone Cons-
No Customization and hacks to do simple things (but then, do I actually care about that anymore)
Screen is not as nice as the Note 7 (But its damn good and I notice no resolution difference. In some ways the screen is more accurate on the 7 plus based on me seeing it on the 6s plus)
The phone is huge for a 5.5" No denying that
Apple pay is NOT Samsung Pay
No Wireless Charge (whatever because I can get a dock but its just so easy)
Back button still ****ing annoys me
Notifications are better in IOS 10 than ever but still less than that of Android
EVERYONE HAS IT
Dated physical design
No QC
Makes me feel like a woman hipster with a giant manbun
Iphone Pros-
Smooth as **** (and will be in 6 months while my note surely wont be)
Touch ID is still better than the fingerprint on the note or the iris on the note
Gonna last as long on a charge even with a 2900mah battery
Multi-task is finally better and while not google, I ask you to tell me why I would care if the outcome is identical when navigating between apps
Design while old feels really smooth, premium and aluminum is less fragile for sure
IOS10 is the first IOS I don't really mind
Google services make IOS great and in 10 you can hide factory apps
Probably a slightly better camera now
A10 Fusion is fast as hell and on their software will more than likely lap the Note even from day 1 with real life use. Definitely in 6 months though
Cases are generally better and more premium
Swiftkey makes IOS also usable
Touch ID is so fast and never misses my finger. ID integration in each app
Apps are cleaner, more sophisticated looking and have features my android apps don't
God I am getting old, but everything just works and while tinkering is fun, I find myself not missing it in IOS anymore
Raise to wake takes care of the AOD need for me
Bluetooth audio and BT battery management are exponentially better than the note
So here is the truth. I feel awful leaving android, but I have now used the iphone even the smaller older one and its still fast and smooth and enjoyable. So I know you are all heated about the topic, all generally Andy fans but I ask as a fellow techy who is getting old with a couple of kids, what the **** do I choose.
P.S. Please don't bring up S pen because its not a factor for me.
I have a replacement Note 7 and it's like butter.
No lag and such a difference. Then you can go further, a Note 7 without lag, smaller bezels than the iPhone 7 Plus my headphone jack (Sorry, couldn't resist) and the ability to cutomise until my heart is content.
Enjoy your iPhone it's a fantastic device, but it's certainly no (replacement) Note 7
You have to make the decision that works best for you in the long term. would I personally go to an iPhone? Nah, in my opinion they're phones for kids/teens and the only way to make them semi usable is to add a crap-ton of Google stuff to them, or you can just get the actual google operating system wrapped in WAYYYY better looking hardware, i don't care what anyone says, the space above and below the iPhone screen is just unacceptable. I write apps for both IOS and Android and they are "smooth" because they are so limited and clocked down that they run great, but that slows trust me. Android phones tend to be power houses and can catch here and there but I've personally never experienced the lag people speak of on Touchwiz, not even when i rooted my phones back in the day, thing is people want to add everything and tweak everything to the phone then don't understand why it hits a snag every once in a while. But again, my explosive Note 7 runs perfect, no lag or anything, its buttery smooth, and all of my Samsung phones have been even when power using them.
So at this point it comes down to preference, OS wise and aesthetically. There's no question iPhone has more mainstream appeal making acquiring accessories and stuff a lot easier, But there are no shortage of Android accessories available either, and Android is meant to customize and make your own, where as IOS is set to strict guidelines to have it always look how Apple wants it to look. For everything I've listed here and more Android is just the choice for me, preferably Samsung because they've found that perfect phone formula that seems to be tailored to me personally and professionally, but that isn't everyone's taste, fact is, there really isn't anything that you get in an iPhone that you don't already get on Android, but there's a lot on Android you cant get with iPhone.
Good luck!
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I have a replacement Note 7 and it's like butter.
No lag and such a difference. Then you can go further, a Note 7 without lag, smaller bezels than the iPhone 7 Plus my headphone jack (Sorry, couldn't resist) and the ability to cutomise until my heart is content.
Enjoy your iPhone it's a fantastic device, but it's certainly no (replacement) Note 7
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I noticed that also. My replacement is noticeably smoother. My last one would randomly lag and stutter. The new one is as smooth as my Exynos S7 Edge was.
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I noticed that also. My replacement is noticeably smoother. My last one would randomly lag and stutter. The new one is as smooth as my Exynos S7 Edge was.
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Is the firmware version any different?
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Is the firmware version any different?
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So with all of this I have a bad taste for Samsung. Not the Note 7 because it is a real marvel of a phone, but the company that kind of down played this recall and now is fixing things in the 11th hour. No matter the %, 92 isn't 37 and I hate when companies go half way on ownership.
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What Samsung did was extraordinary and cost them billions of dollars both in cash and lost market capitalization. Based on how few phones have overheated they could have played kick-the-can and stalled this for months or been forced involuntarily in to addressing the issue. Instead they announced within a week of identifying the problem internally that they were recalling 2.5M Note7s. Clearly some here aren't in business because to think any multi-billion dollar multinational conglomerate could recall 2.5M of anything faster or better than Samsung did is a pipe dream. They obviously had their sh!t together because the recall program they were already in the process of in the U.S. was blessed within days by the CPSC.
I've been buying Samsung products for years (mostly Note phones and tablets) and this is the first serious problem I've encountered. The Note7 was the best Samsung phone I've owned before this debacle and nothing's changed after.
Audi had a huge unintentional acceleration problem, Honda is tied directly to the Takata airbag issue, GM was involved in an ignition switch problem cover-up, and VW's getting their ass kicked for screwing with emission testing. The first three are performing extremely well and VW will be fine when the dust settles. Samsung will be fine too.
Agreed, My entire house is outfitted in Samsung, I'm a definite Samsung "Fan-Boy" and because they have never let me down and always deliver the best most innovative products. My washer, dryer, TVs, Tablets, Soundbars, BT speakers, Watches, Phones, Netbooks, charging docks etc. all Samsung - and that goes for all of my Wife's products and the rest of my family (Brother, Sister, Brother in law, Mom etc.) I sold them on their first Samsung device years and they haven't looked back. I didn't fret once over this recall, I knew it was being blown out of proportion and that Samsung was all over it the best they could be and I was going to be taken care of.
If anything my Brand loyalty has been enhanced because of this, but that doesn't mean i expect Samsung to be perfect always or say they wont ever drop the ball, But I will cross that bridge when I get there, until then Samsung is my brand, and the Note 7 is a GREAT phone and has met and far exceeded my expectations both on aesthetics and performance.
Samsung came through for us on this recall regardless of how people want to perceive their approach, so to those people: please explain how they could have done it better?
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They obviously had their sh!t together because the recall program they were already in the process of in the U.S. was blessed within days by the CPSC.
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I agree that the recall has been handled well, unprecedented to get so many replacements produced and shipped so quickly (I have a replacement already).
However, the CPSC had this to say to BBC News:
Mr Kaye said Samsung should not have tried to do the recall by itself, saying: "Anybody who thinks that a company going out on its own is going to provide the best recall for that company, and more importantly for the consumer, needs to have more than their phone checked,"
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I agree that the recall has been handled well, unprecedented to get so many replacements produced and shipped so quickly (I have a replacement already).
However, the CPSC had this to say to BBC News:
Mr Kaye said Samsung should not have tried to do the recall by itself, saying: "Anybody who thinks that a company going out on its own is going to provide the best recall for that company, and more importantly for the consumer, needs to have more than their phone checked,"
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- Says the guy who makes money and gets to push his power by issuing recalls. No different than a mechanic saying "Anyone who rotates their own tires is looking to die!"
And sure, of course they did whats best for Samsung, They have to stay is business, both by cleaning up their mess as quick as possible and to their consumers liking (because we are the reason they have a business) no company is stupid enough not to try and please the consumer with their decision.
I'm just confused on the apparent blessing of the recall followed by that statement yesterday.
I knew you all would focus here. It's the problem with forums. I'm asking for honest opinions on the two devices not about the recall. It was a catalyst and now here I am at an impasse. It wouldn't even be a thought had the recall not happened but here we are.
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Iphone Cons-
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It's an iPhone.
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I'm asking for honest opinions on the two devices not about the recall.
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What's different today from the year's long discussion of Android vs. iOS? The iP7+ is as big as a house, has a 1080P IPS panel, has a 2,900mAh battery, no wireless charging, no fast charging, no audio jack, and an eco-system locked down harder than Fort Knox which offers no flexibility and customization. I didn't read your "pros" summary but I'm assuming they're what's already known. What's left to say?
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What's different today from the year's long discussion of Android vs. iOS? The iP7+ is as big as a house, has a 1080P IPS panel, has a 2,900mAh battery, no wireless charging, no fast charging, no audio jack, and an eco-system locked down harder than Fort Knox which offers no flexibility and customization. I didn't read your "pros" summary but I'm assuming they're what's already known. What's left to say?
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I mean the Pro's summary would be important to have an objective look no?
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Iphone Pros-
Smooth as **** (and will be in 6 months while my note surely wont be)
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I have to disagree... Before I have my Note 7, I was using my 2011 Note 1 (ran on Samsung Jelly bean stock rom)... No lag has been felt until recently when the apps I am using often are getting more and more RAM demanding...
Samsung vs iPhone should not be seen as Android vs iOS, but then when coming to which to choose, it depends on which best suits your needs (I don't view those who chose iOS over Android are any inferior). Personally I no longer find Android exciting like it used to be, but between Android devices and iPhone, I am still an Android guy. The reason for this is simple: Android has large variety of devices which I can choose from... And this time I chose Note 7 (not because I am loyal to Samsung) as it offers various exciting functions (and ya, I like the S-Pen)... As for iPhone 7 or 7+, I found the design for these device were unappealing...
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I have to disagree... Before I have my Note 7, I was using my 2011 Note 1 (ran on Samsung Jelly bean stock rom)... No lag has been felt until recently when the apps I am using often are getting more and more RAM demanding...
Samsung vs iPhone should not be seen as Android vs iOS, but then when coming to which to choose, it depends on which best suits your needs (I don't view those who chose iOS over Android are any inferior). Personally I no longer find Android exciting like it used to be, but between Android devices and iPhone, I am still an Android guy. The reason for this is simple: Android has large variety of devices which I can choose from... And this time I chose Note 7 (not because I am loyal to Samsung) as it offers various exciting functions (and ya, I like the S-Pen)...
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Now that is a good reply. Thank you for being just up front.
It looks to me like you only want 'on the fence' replies that give you no swing towards either device. I gave you real world use in that it is very smooth on the 2nd release which I presumed would have made a huge difference to your decision considering you mentioned that all was good until the recall announcement.
People have given you material and real world examples of the recall (In my case 10 days!) but you still seem bent on assuming the recall is being handled poorly.
I've read where apple has ignored people being hurt and even killed by the iPhone since 2009. Little girl had glass on her eye from it exploding, a man had third degree burns when biking he fell on it. Others died. Look it up. They said not our fault. Samsung cares more about customers. Imo so im sticking with Sammy. I hope you all find happiness with your devices, stay safe.
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Seems like we've all given the best answers we can to your question and reasons why we feel this way, ultimately the decision is yours based on what YOU like and why and how it fits into your life. The recall came up because its why you came into this dilemma in the first place.
We can tell you all day which couch your ass likes better, but in the end you're the only person who can feel the nerve endings in your ass lol, so you have make that decision based off what you like. Its like asking if I like Ham or Roast Beef more. The differences of IOS and Android are very prominent and very much talked about and public, at this point it seems you just want someone to push you in one direction or the other or give you the "go-ahead" but judging from your first post and last post, it seems like you've already chosen the iPhone and no one is gonna stop you, I choose Android wrapped in the Note 7, but that doesn't mean that's the standard everyone should live by.
That's a nice assalogy.
Hi, I need some guidance from more knowledgeable users deciding between phones due to my lack of detailed information on the mod ecosystem of the newer Samsung devices, since I stopped paying attention after Samsung dropped features I prefer (removable battery, IR blaster, etc). I have a note 4 that was rooted and running a custom rom that worked like a champ until recently with the ZeroLemon 10Ah battery when it decided to die. I use my phone as a pocket Linux computer so stripping away most of the limitations placed on the device by the manufacturers is what I desire to do.
Can people who have owned or have detailed knowledge of the current ecosystem weigh in on the pro and cons of the note 10+ vs the note 9 beyond the basic technical differences on the data sheets? I am currently researching information regarding the following:
Software Bugs
Root support/stability (Traditional or Magisk)
MicroG support (I want as little google in my life as possible)
TWRP(or equivalent) compatibility
Tasker and Xprivacy compatibility or equivalent.
Custom Rom support(general development and extra hardware feature support like Fingerpring reader being usable by apps or Hotspot capability)
bypassing and stability of warranty voiding/feature locking measures(KNOX, SafetyNet)
Overall I just want to better understand the upper limits and issues of modification that can be achieved with each device while holding on to as much built in functions as possible.
I do not need the absolute most cutting edge technical performance from parts, but features included in the SoC or RAM capacity for software expansion that affect longevity I would want to know. I dont really mind the need to use a dongle for 3.5mm audio on the 10+ but avoiding sending Samsung the message that its removal was ok for a supposed kitchen sink device is a small consideration. I would have liked and IR blaster but that ship has sailed on the new Samsung devices regardless. I would get a battery case that adds a few thousand mAh's for the 10+ or 9 so small differences in use endurance would be heavily mitigated. If it turns out the 10+ is just a stopgap half-step until the actual refinement (Note 11?) then I can try to send in my Note 4 to Samsung and get it online for another year since paying $1000US for an experiment or obligatory product cycle launch is not really what I am looking for at the moment since I keep phones for a while. From what I read so far their product line seems to speak of artificial market segregation and I feel the base note 10 only exists to make the S and the 10+ look better while getting rid of surplus inventory of parts from other product lines. Overall it just made me wary of potential hiccups for long term use.
If you would like me to specify anything else I will do my best to answer quickly. Thanks for any help you can provide. :good:
Now im off to continue my reading and watching of reviews for these devices.
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I didn't think It needed to be said, but can we try to keep the answers constructive instead of snarky for no reason? If you need to be snarky for no reason plz make your comment as amusing and original as possible. Thx
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So in addition to the removal of the 3.5mm audio port from the N10/N10+, Samsung has seen fit to entirely remove the internal DAC from the phone. Passive USB-C to 3.5mm adapters will not function and explains why certain external DACs "may experience bugs" and why many of the external battery cases claim to support data sync but not USB-C to 3.5mm audio.
I am corresponding with a ZeroLemon representative to get them to clarify the capabilities of the 5Ah battery case and the 10Ah variant that "will be available in a few weeks". (EDIT) ZeroLemon have confirmed that their extended battery cases have no wired audio functionality with or without DAC integrated into the mix. They are reluctant to give me wiring data so I can only take the demerit at their word.
Removing the 3.5mm jack was bad enough but Samsung removing the DAC entirely is a little overboard for the cost of the device imo just to offload the cost with a $20US basic dongle you buy separately. I can understand it from a business perspective, but as a consumer I am not pleased with Samsungs development direction.
...you're serious?
In the time it took to type out that post, you could've found all your answers by researching and using Google.
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...you're serious?
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Snapdragon Note 10plus..no root no twrp..no micrgapps..no xposed.
Exynos Note 10plus better chance at all the things listed above
Note 9 great phone but the same as above.
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I had planned to spend the incoming month to build an answear to your questions but after a day of full thoughts I decided to spend my time doing something else.
Power users!!!!!
Your post reminds me of that commercial where a guy asks his friend if he knows any good contractors, and when he replies yes he is asked to go out and get quotes and timelines....
I can't believe you came to XDA and posted something like that without even trying to search.
My advice is go buy the new iphone 11 pro plus. I here it will do all that and and transfer your root and linux setup from your note 4 too.
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Yes, quite. Is there a problem with asking individuals who may already have a deep knowledge of issues and limits of these devices to give advice based on their experiences?
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In the time it took to type out that post, you could've found all your answers by researching and using Google.
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Im fairly certain I could not find detailed answers for everything I just asked in less than 3 minutes. I believe I stated in the OP that I was simultaneously doing my own research, but I also thought it wise to ask the question considering I am not all knowing and there are details I may miss or things I havent considered.
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Snapdragon Note 10plus..no root no twrp..no micrgapps..no xposed.
Exynos Note 10plus better chance at all the things listed above
Note 9 great phone but the same as above.
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I appreciate you replying to the content of the post instead of just posting sarcasm. You are the MVP of the responders thus far.
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I had planned to spend the incoming month to build an answear to your questions but after a day of full thoughts I decided to spend my time doing something else.
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Wow, you were going to tackle every specific question I had in detail by yourself? That would have been an epic post I would have enjoyed reading, too bad you have other engagements. Maybe next time? :laugh:
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Your post reminds me of that commercial where a guy asks his friend if he knows any good contractors, and when he replies yes he is asked to go out and get quotes and timelines....
I can't believe you came to XDA and posted something like that without even trying to search.
My advice is go buy the new iphone 11 pro plus. I here it will do all that and and transfer your root and linux setup from your note 4 too.
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I see how it would be similar on the surface. Aside from the fact that I stated I was already doing my own research and this question is supplemental to that, and this question is directed at those whom already have the information I am asking(actual contractors or people with knowledge of the trade). You might even say its also similar to asking someone who just had their house remodeled how much their contractor charged them for the work and if they did a good job.
Why would I want to own an iPhone? I think the last iDevice I owned was an iPod touch I got for free over 10 years ago and I had to jailbreak it just for it to be tolerable. Wait, are you just being snarky to avoid actually giving me any constructive information? That cant be something someone would come on to XDA to do?
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Power users!!!!!
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I never owned a Note 4, though I would imagine the Note 9 or Note 10+ would be at least a marginal upgrade.
I had the Note 9. Now I have the Note 10+. I like it, because it does stuff well.
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I never owned a Note 4, though I would imagine the Note 9 or Note 10+ would be at least a marginal upgrade.
I had the Note 9. Now I have the Note 10+. I like it, because it does stuff well.
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I agree that both devices would probably be a slight upgrade over the Note 4 aside from the removable battery, IR blaster, and 3.5mm jack(Note 10+) being absent. The Note 4 was great, its flexibility and features made me disappointed in the following iterations until the Note 7 fiasco when I finally just stopped paying attention to Samsung releases since a removable battery would have entirely mitigated the issue they faced at the time.
Cool, im glad you like the Note 10+. What particular stuff for you does it do well in comparison to your Note 9 if you dont mind me asking?
POWER USER with a Note 4........
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=note+10+vs+note+9
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POWER USER with a Note 4........
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Yes......You can do a lot with a rooted note 4 with a 10Ah Battery and a custom rom with lots of quality of life tweaks(Tasker, Xprivacy, etc.) Can you only be a power user if you pay to get the newest phones every time they are released when the older phone you already own pretty much does what you want?
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I think I might have stated somewhere in my OP that I was doing my own research in addition to asking this question, but I may be wrong. I may need to close these 30+ tabs of Note 9 and 10+ related research I was doing for myself and do some Note 9 and 10+ related research for myself.
As far as not being constructive goes, that was pretty funny. I may have to use that one on someone it applies to at some point.
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Yes......You can do a lot with a rooted note 4 with a 10Ah Battery and a custom rom with lots of quality of life tweaks(Tasker, Xprivacy, etc.) Can you only be a power user if you pay to get the newest phones every time they are released when the older phone you already own pretty much does what you want?
I think I might have stated somewhere in my OP that I was doing my own research in addition to asking this question, but I may be wrong. I may need to close these 30+ tabs of Note 9 and 10+ related research I was doing for myself and do some Note 9 and 10+ related research for myself.
As far as not being constructive goes, that was pretty funny. I may have to use that one on someone it applies to at some point.
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Glad you liked it. One of my favorite sites.
But in all seriousness, there's some pretty in depth comparisons on YouTube from power users. I watched a few when making my decision to jump from the Note 9.
Is it upgrade from the Note 4. Absolutely. Is it an upgrade from the Note 9? I would say so. They refined the form factor from the Note 8/9, the screen is gorgeous, and it's a powerhouse.
Let me put it this way. I recently bought an nVidia Shield TV for gaming, especially emulating older gaming systems such as the GameCube (a notoriously difficult console to emulate, unless you have a gaming PC). The Shield TV is the reigning king of mobile banking powerhouses, and YouTube recommended it for emulation.
I was all excited for the Shield TV, got it set up, and it did decent. I had to fiddle with the settings, and I finally got Eternal Darkness to run DECENTLY at 720p with just a few slowdowns and stutters. It's maintained 60fps for the majority of the game, but would occasionally slow to about 40fps and the game would move like molasses. Nothing like fighting demons in slow motion.
Well, hooked up my Note 10+ to my TV, and ran the same emulator on the Note 10+ through DeX, and holy crap. It runs that game smooth as butter at 1080p. Except for one scene that stuttered for about a second, it runs at full 60fps. I'm selling my Shield TV. Why do I need it when it's inferior to my Note 10+ for gaming.
So what I'm trying to say, for functionality (S-Pen, air commands, DeX) the Note 10+ is an amazing phone. As far as power? Well, gaming is one of the most taxing things you can do with a phone, and this one doesn't even blink when heavy games are thrown at it. Now, if I crank all the Dolphin emulator options up to full, it will slow down and spit and sputter to the point it's not playable. But I think 1080p rendering at 60fps for a console game is more than impressive.
Yes, you lose root. Who needs it? Yes you lose the removable battery. I can't argue that one, really, but it hasn't bothered me in the last four years since most manufacturers did away with them. Yes you lose the IR blaster. I never used it, except in a hotel bar to put the baseball game on their TV when the bartender stepped away, LOL. What you gain compared to the Note 4 is more than worth the trade off.
Note 9 vs Note 10+ is a closer argument, but I don't regret upgrading even a little bit.
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In all fairness what is a power user? You can buy the most capable phone and only use snapchat, facebook, and take selfies.
You could manage your business from an iphone 6. It's less the phone and more how you use it.
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Glad you liked it. One of my favorite sites.
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I can see it getting a lot of use with how people are on the internet sometimes lol
But in all seriousness, there's some pretty in depth comparisons on YouTube from power users. I watched a few when making my decision to jump from the Note 9.
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I have watched a few at this point, but I am still watching more. Do you have anyone specific you would recommend that you think did the best job in the breakdown?
Is it upgrade from the Note 4. Absolutely. Is it an upgrade from the Note 9? I would say so. They refined the form factor from the Note 8/9, the screen is gorgeous, and it's a powerhouse.
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I agree the phones of today blow the note 4 out of the water on pure specs and many feature implementations. What keeps me on the fence is how new the note 10+ is at the moment. Im not sure how its hardware will affect the Rom/App ecosystem longterm and I would be keeping this $1000+ investment for a while in comparison to the Note 9 which can be had for hundreds of dollars cheaper, but im willing to pay the extra cost if there are no long term downsides.
Let me put it this way. I recently bought an nVidia Shield TV for gaming,.....snip
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That is pretty impressive. I know certain consoles are a pain in the butt to emulate efficiently because of their custom architectures. That is definitely a win for the N10+. I dont really play heavy games on my phone as I have a gaming PC so my phone gaming is largely limited to things like Townsmen, Kingdom Rush, style games along with older emulators also, but that kind of hardware capability is something you want from a device like this. I would probably play much older consoles this way so I can start and stop on the go etc. Playing Zelda on the go and continuing at home sounds appealing at this moment.
So what I'm trying to say, for functionality (S-Pen, air commands, DeX) the Note 10+ is an amazing phone. As far as power? Well, gaming is one of the most taxing things you can do with a phone, and this one doesn't even blink when heavy games are thrown at it. Now, if I crank all the Dolphin emulator options up to full, it will slow down and spit and sputter to the point it's not playable. But I think 1080p rendering at 60fps for a console game is more than impressive.
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When I say "power" I personally mean usage flexibility, basic and advanced features, and capability for longevity through modifications once Samsung decides its of lower priority. As far as pure grunt(IPC, clock rate, etc.) I find it to be a close secondary concern while still being important. A lot of the features in the new phones were pioneered by 3rd party developers before Samsung/Google made an in-house version. In the long term being less dependent on samsung and google is best so they cant artificially limit your device when they decide you should be buying the new one so hardware that is easy for me and dedicated devs to work with is very important for me.
Yes, you lose root. Who needs it? Yes you lose the removable battery. I can't argue that one, really, but it hasn't bothered me in the last four years since most manufacturers did away with them. Yes you lose the IR blaster. I never used it, except in a hotel bar to put the baseball game on their TV when the bartender stepped away, LOL. What you gain compared to the Note 4 is more than worth the trade off.
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I may need root(Magisk/SU access), but the specifics of the ecosystem may have shifted enough to where applications like Tasker no longer require root level access. I do need TWRP or some equivalent to work for testing roms and backups though.
The lack of a removable battery bothers me on the level that its not an option and from a function over form engineering standpoint I don't like the idea of a potentially volatile piece of technology being a major failure point of a expensive device. Both on the level of LiPo/Li-ion batteries chemically(I know they are safe generally) and not being able to disconnect a device from its power source if necessary. I know more than a few people personally over the years who had phones(and other compact devices) with internal batteries that have destroyed themselves simply because of the battery physically expanding causing damage to surrounding systems and or because a some hardware or software problem cause a loop of damage(electrical or thermal) to the device that couldnt be stopped. The entire Note 7 was an exercise in why removable power sources in general are a good idea and it cost Samsung both money and image not abiding by that principle. I will admit the theft protection aspect of a non removable battery is a bonus. I plan to use an Aquero), and other items in addition to those niche times you mentioned. The only pain was the fact the Samsung installed an IR transmitter instead of a transceiver on the note 4 so I had to work around getting all my remote codes into the phone the harder way. This was the kind of detail I worry about and why I asked this question, even though I see now many do not appreciate me asking in such a way.
Note 9 vs Note 10+ is a closer argument, but I don't regret upgrading even a little bit.
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Im glad you are happy with your purchase, and I agree that in general if there are no major flaws related to my specific usage wants/requirements that the 9 and 10+ would be a great improvement over the note 4. As far as the Note 4 still being on the table is just in the circumstance of there being data that the note 10+ represents more of a tick or a tock relative to the phones next year in which case I can just spend $100 to get it fixed and wait. The segmentation between the S10, N10, N10+, makes me wonder about the plans for the product line, but if the Note 10 is just a case of Samsung getting rid of backlog parts then its probably nothing.
Thanks for taking the time to answer and giving me your perspective. I really appreciate it. :highfive:
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In all fairness what is a power user? You can buy the most capable phone and only use snapchat, facebook, and take selfies.
You could manage your business from an iphone 6. It's less the phone and more how you use it.
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I agree that the term "power user" is a fairly ambiguous term that can mean different things to different people. I agree that you can do things with an iphone, but what they have in stability they greatly lack in operational/usage flexibility at the high end. My device I paid for telling me "no" when it technically capable of doing what I want is not something I will tolerate unless absolutely necessary.
What I personally qualify as a "power user" is having usages well outside of what most would consider "phone" use(light internet, few notes, a game or two, and some videos). This moves into the territory of Custom Roms, heavy tasker automation, regular file transfer, file hosting and streaming, hotspot usage while connected to a VPN or SSH connection, diagnostic work, remote control(TV-PC control), etc. Overall if you think of your device as more or a pocket Linux computer with phone capability as opposed to a phone with extra features that are useful/fun, you likely would fall under some metric of the "power user" umbrella. In my experience most users I have ever met fall into the latter category while many less fall into the former. There are still cases to me where you can be a "power user" if you only use one specific feature to its limits in the <10% of users range.
I understand the economics of Samsungs feature shifts, but doesnt mean I have to like it. Apple devices are simply incompatible with my usage demands, I tried to live with my brothers old Iphone X or 9 for a week and it was painful.
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In all fairness what is a power user? You can buy the most capable phone and only use snapchat, facebook, and take selfies.
LOl...probably NOT a power user then, no?
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LOl...probably NOT a power user then, no?
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You kind of missed the point.
Your comment that I responded to called out the note 4 and the fact that op said "power users". As if they cant exist in the same sentence...
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POWER USER with a Note 4........
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If you acknowledge the idea that a person only using a phone for social networking (regardless of the phone) isnt a "power user", then you kind of made my point for me. That it isn't the phone it's the user.
Also you seem to imply "power user" is synonymous with owning the newest phone, which I would also say is kind of a fallacy.
Regarding software bugs:
The Note 10/+ are running One UI 1.5 and coming from my S9+ running One UI 1.0, I noticed the following improvements:
1. No more bluetooth volume warning message
2. Automated switching ("Sunset to Sunrise") between Night Mode and Day(?) Mode no longer leaves minimized notifications in the wrong mode. I would look at my notification shade after the phone automatically switched back to Day Mode and a couple minimized notifications at the bottom would still be in the dark shade. I would have to toggle Night Mode on and off and turn the schedule on again to make things right (until I repeated this 24 hours later!)
3. When the notification shade is fully extended and you have to actually scroll down to go through every single one, the animation has been cleaned up so that the icons of the bottom-most notifications don't look they're falling into/out of the UI. If ever there was a case that Samsung is not Apple, this would have been it.
4. When you pull down the notification shade, the toggles are actually correct the first time you glance at them (and previously you would pull down, push up, pull down again to see the toggles as they should be.)
5. Split screen works better. The initial app docks very well to the top half of the screen and the phone understands better that all the task switching and app gymnastics you do are meant for the bottom half of the display.
6. Apps install blazingly fast.
7. My corporate IT device admin app (Blackberry UEM) does not force a series of unrelated events when installing an app (previously it would toggle bluetooth and launch a restart-PIN security screen--don't ask me why).
Those are the things I can immediately think of.
Well after being excited to get the Pixel 6 Pro with all the hype of best pixel phone in years, i have returned the phone after finding it disappointing. Probably the phone i have been most disappointed with ever, So i have gone back to my Huawei P30 Pro
main issues are battery life, after finding the phone struggling to get through a day on a charge, after googling and finding turning off the 5g and 120hz display improves battery life. WHAT the main features of the phone drain the battery too much, battery life on P30 is 2 days for me constantly (i know peoples usage will vary), but after Lumia phones and Huawei it was like going back to Iphone 3 days barely getting 24hrs on a charge.
also the UI is terrible, how is this an improvement the notification area with the huge tiles take up so much room that you have to scroll to the right to see most of the shortcuts etc. P30 is much more intuitive and fewer steps to do the same action
The Google search bar/ assistant and clock can't be moved or resized so much for customising android, none of these restrictions on P30
Colour theming what a joke to the point of being pointless couldn't pick the colour i wanted and the choice of 4 colour LOL, P30 has a huge colour theming section and is easy pick what colour you want and away to go
You will need a case for the phone it will literally slide off everything, i know a lot pf people fit cases but you wont have any choice with the Pixel 6 or it'll end up in broke
I would go as far to say EMUI 4 was better than android 12 on the Pixel 6, only good point was the camera
Only thing I'd agree with is that Huawei makes some of the best phones and I wish they were sold for US carriers. As for this phone, it's getting better every day for me. Of course there are some annoyances here and there but battery life isn't bad for me. I still have mine on 5g and 120hz and getting 8ish hour SOT with full day use. Mostly Twitter, Reddit and cryptocurrency apps and some YouTube music. The UI I feel takes some learning and adjusting to get used to.
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Only thing I'd agree with is that Huawei makes some of the best phones and I wish they were sold for US carriers. As for this phone, it's getting better every day for me. Of course there are some annoyances here and there but battery life isn't bad for me. I still have mine on 5g and 120hz and getting 8ish hour SOT with full day use. Mostly Twitter, Reddit and cryptocurrency apps and some YouTube music. The UI I feel takes some learning and adjusting to get used to.
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Kinda hard to trust a device made literally by the espionage wing of a hostile foreign country...
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Kinda hard to trust a device made literally by the espionage wing of a hostile foreign country...
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Not saying I don't get that. I just really miss Huawei phones.
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Well after being excited to get the Pixel 6 Pro with all the hype of best pixel phone in years, i have returned the phone after finding it disappointing. Probably the phone i have been most disappointed with ever, So i have gone back to my Huawei P30 Pro
main issues are battery life, after finding the phone struggling to get through a day on a charge, after googling and finding turning off the 5g and 120hz display improves battery life. WHAT the main features of the phone drain the battery too much, battery life on P30 is 2 days for me constantly (i know peoples usage will vary), but after Lumia phones and Huawei it was like going back to Iphone 3 days barely getting 24hrs on a charge.
also the UI is terrible, how is this an improvement the notification area with the huge tiles take up so much room that you have to scroll to the right to see most of the shortcuts etc. P30 is much more intuitive and fewer steps to do the same action
The Google search bar/ assistant and clock can't be moved or resized so much for customising android, none of these restrictions on P30
Colour theming what a joke to the point of being pointless couldn't pick the colour i wanted and the choice of 4 colour LOL, P30 has a huge colour theming section and is easy pick what colour you want and away to go
You will need a case for the phone it will literally slide off everything, i know a lot pf people fit cases but you wont have any choice with the Pixel 6 or it'll end up in broke
I would go as far to say EMUI 4 was better than android 12 on the Pixel 6, only good point was the camera
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You really should have waited a bit to try a pure aosp build. I found the google [bloat|spy]ware to be bad enough that I couldn't put my sim card in it because it was completely unusable. Running pure aosp built from source and its like a dream.
Under very heavy use since about 7am this morning (its now after 3), I'm still over 70% battery, including leaving 120hz enabled. Not 5g though, my carrier only has LTE for now.
Some of your complaints don't really matter. The quick settings pane for example is a feature of android 12, not the google build, so no matter who sells you the phone, you'll have that eventually anyway.
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hostile wing of USA or China take your pick
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Only thing I'd agree with is that Huawei makes some of the best phones and I wish they were sold for US carriers. As for this phone, it's getting better every day for me. Of course there are some annoyances here and there but battery life isn't bad for me. I still have mine on 5g and 120hz and getting 8ish hour SOT with full day use. Mostly Twitter, Reddit and cryptocurrency apps and some YouTube music. The UI I feel takes some learning and adjusting to get used to.
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i had no where near that battery time, fully charged at 9:00am out on the mtb for 6 hrs with pics on the way normal use after that by 8:00 pm 15%
The UI is just not as intuitive, take restricting apps working in the background pixel you have to go to each app individually, P30 the settings for all apps are on one page, just simpler
2021 has been a mediocre year at best for smartphones. Android 11 and 12 forced cpu cycle eating scooped storage sucks.
After the N20U Samsung released nothing I like and their last really great flagship is the N10+ running on Q.
2021, issues with variable rate displays, 5G and scoped storage galore. The usual Samsung Fold display delamination issues. For flagship SD card support you either got to use older Samsung flagships or go Chinese.
The Pixel Pro seems to numerous rude surprises. OK, maybe it's not horrible but not a flagship level device either... it's ok at best. It's user interface is subpar as usual with no substantial speed advantage to show for it. Why not just get an Apple rather than a Pixel at this rate?
I doubt even Samsung can modify Android 11/12 enough to make it user friendly; Pixel barely tried to fix their nightmare OS.
Small wonder Pixel as such a dismal market share... they earned it.
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2021 has been a mediocre year at best for smartphones. Android 11 and 12 forced cpu cycle eating scooped storage sucks.
After the N20U Samsung released nothing I like and their last really great flagship is the N10+ running on Q.
2021, issues with variable rate displays, 5G and scoped storage galore. The usual Samsung Fold display delamination issues. For flagship SD card support you either got to use older Samsung flagships or go Chinese.
The Pixel Pro seems to numerous rude surprises. OK, maybe it's not horrible but not a flagship level device either... it's ok at best. It's user interface is subpar as usual with no substantial speed advantage to show for it. Why not just get an Apple rather than a Pixel at this rate?
I doubt even Samsung can modify Android 11/12 enough to make it user friendly; Pixel barely tried to fix their nightmare OS.
Small wonder Pixel as such a dismal market share... they earned it.
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Note 9 owner
Everyone knows the 10 lineup was literally a downgrade in all the ways literally a minor cpu bump and a 3rd camera.
You lost iris scanner, spo2 ,heart rate , headphone jack and sd card slot on certain models.
It was also the mark of samsung making like 4 3/4 different models of phone which had worse hard ware than previous versions unless you get the top top end.
For example the fact screens on the note10 itself are worse than 9.
It literally started the mark of samsung killing off the note line with the making it a glorified Samsung Galaxy with a pen in which case then note 20ultra is worse that the galaxy 20 ultra in a lot of ways.
It's not even ahead of software updates since the note 10 lite uses the same chipset as the s9/n9 so it's easily ported to them.
So yeah the fact you said that means you literally have no clue on the state of it.
Also you think Samsung will simplify it gl they literally need to make a new ui every year because they can't do it right it's improving but still , if you don't like stock android get different launcher.
At least we know we going to get software support for a long time and direct also support
Phone is Awesome! Best purchase ever!
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2021 has been a mediocre year at best for smartphones. Android 11 and 12 forced cpu cycle eating scooped storage sucks.
After the N20U Samsung released nothing I like and their last really great flagship is the N10+ running on Q.
2021, issues with variable rate displays, 5G and scoped storage galore. The usual Samsung Fold display delamination issues. For flagship SD card support you either got to use older Samsung flagships or go Chinese.
The Pixel Pro seems to numerous rude surprises. OK, maybe it's not horrible but not a flagship level device either... it's ok at best. It's user interface is subpar as usual with no substantial speed advantage to show for it. Why not just get an Apple rather than a Pixel at this rate?
I doubt even Samsung can modify Android 11/12 enough to make it user friendly; Pixel barely tried to fix their nightmare OS.
Small wonder Pixel as such a dismal market share... they earned it.
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As you stated in so many posts you have 2 Note 10's so I can only assume that your opinion is pure speculation! Did a clean install and don't have any issues at all. When the Note 20 Ultra first came a lot of members were having issues with it to because of importing data and apps from an old phone, once they did a FDR all the problems magically disappeared! Just saying...........................
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As you stated in so many posts you have 2 Note 10's so I can only assume that your opinion is pure speculation! Did a clean install and don't have any issues at all. When the Note 20 Ultra first came a lot of members were having issues with it to because of importing data and apps from an old phone, once they did a FDR all the problems magically disappeared! Just saying...........................
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I read a lot. The Pixel UI... well each to his own is the best I can say.
The N20U has display issues caused by the variable frequency, the N10+ color rendering exceeds the N20U, S21U and likely the P6pro.
I have extremely good color perception, top 1% so I find color aberrations annoying with displays. The 10+ is near spot on even after two years of heavy usage. I'll do a color test between the new and old one to see how tight the calibration is just for kicks sometime.
The N20U is running on R, enough said.
Some of both have 5G, not worth the increased battery usage. This problem persists in most of the newest devices. Variable rate displays, 5G and especially scooped storage are not mature technologies and continue to underperform.
Stats with pics... or it never happened.
Here's what a stock N10+ Snapdragon/P variant did just today with a 4300mAh battery. About one hour is watching utube vids, the rest browsing. The N10+ isn't even breaking a sweat...
The entire pre-order mess has soured my excitement for the phone. Google showed early November delivery, now shows mid January. It seems to cut costs, Google went with outdated and inferior parts and made some strange sacrifices. Samsung always gives it's competitors last year's display tech. Android 12 feels largely incomplete, much like hipster aesthetics were put before functional changes. I have been excited to get a flagship that has a clean base, can be rooted and built upon, but if the hardware is subpar, it may not be worth it.
With Samsung phones, I've debloated and modded almost every element to my liking without even needing root. Custom themes, custom fonts, custom clock styles and placement, always on display scheduling, ability to hide the navigation bar, and endless GoodLock modules to fine tune the UI are all things stock Android 12 can't do. That said, it's always bugged me that Samsung phones have roughly 300 preloaded system apps, where stock Android has about 100. I'm debating whether to cancel the P6P preorder and wait for the S22 Ultra.
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The entire pre-order mess has soured my excitement for the phone. Google showed early November delivery, now shows mid January. It seems to cut costs, Google went with outdated and inferior parts, and made sacrifices to keep costs down. Samsung always gives it's competitors last year's display tech. Android 12 feels largely incomplete, much like hipster aesthetics were put before functional changes. I have been excited to get a flagship that has a clean base, can be rooted and built upon, but if the hardware is subpar, it may not be worth it.
With Samsung phones, I've debloated and modded almost every element to my liking without even needing root. Custom themes, custom fonts, custom clock styles and placement, always on display scheduling, ability to hide the navigation bar, and endless GoodLock modules to fine tune the UI are all things stock Android 12 can't do. That said, it's always bugged me that Samsung phones have roughly 300 preloaded system apps, where stock Android has about 100. I'm debating whether to cancel the P6P preorder and wait for the S22 Ultra.
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I was comparing my 2 N10+'s, one running on 9, the other 10. The 10 variant has dozens of small apks that show on the package disabler, but they're not bloatware. Samsung deliberately moded Android 10 to make it more user friendly and functional. It runs very well.
The S21 isn't anything I want but it shreds the P6pro.
However both are having display issues. I would at least wait for the dust to settle...
Hold out until Samsung gets their act together again if you can... it may take a year or two. Latter 2022 or perhaps 2023. I wouldn't hold my breath... it may take until 2024 to arise from the ashes of mediocre and lack of features.
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I'm debating whether to cancel the P6P preorder and wait for the S22 Ultra.
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Keep in mind you can't unlock the bootloader on recent Samsung phones without breaking the camera completely. I had nothing against them until now but this is major BS on their part.
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Keep in mind you can't unlock the bootloader on recent Samsung phones without breaking the camera completely. I had nothing against them until now but this is major BS on their part.
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To be fair, on a Samsung, one doesn't really need root. So much debloating can be done using ADB. Many developers have found ways to utilize Samsung's theme engine and font engine to customize the phone however one prefers. I installed an AOSP theme using Hex Installer that made the UI look 95% stock.
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To be fair, on a Samsung, one doesn't really need root. So much debloating can be done using ADB. Many developers have found ways to utilize Samsung's theme engine and font engine to customize the phone however one prefers. I installed an AOSP theme using Hex Installer that made the UI look 95% stock.
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I'm running 2 stock N10+'s using Samsung Galaxy mods, a package disabler, a firewall and heavily optimizing them.
That's all you need... they run great and look/function exactly how I want them too.
No plain Janes here... some assembly required.
Samsung phones are pus*y phones, pardon my language. If you can't unlock the bootloader have any kind of development opportunities, you're just a sheep. Last Samsung phones I had were the Galaxy Nexus and the Note 2. Seems like a lot of Samsung Fanboys here. I get it because we're here to talk about phones, but this is an XDA Development site - Development. It's all about development. So move forth and go forward with your beautiful Sammy phones and enjoy those locked bootloaders!
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Samsung phones are pus*y phones, pardon my language. If you can't unlock the bootloader have any kind of development opportunities, you're just a sheep. Last Samsung phones I had were the Galaxy Nexus and the Note 2. Seems like a lot of Samsung Fanboys here. I get it because we're here to talk about phones, but this is an XDA Development site - Development. It's all about development. So move forth and go forward with your beautiful Sammy phones and enjoy those locked bootloaders!
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Samsung phones are pus*y phones, pardon my language. If you can't unlock the bootloader have any kind of development opportunities, you're just a sheep. Last Samsung phones I had were the Galaxy Nexus and the Note 2. Seems like a lot of Samsung Fanboys here. I get it because we're here to talk about phones, but this is an XDA Development site - Development. It's all about development. So move forth and go forward with your beautiful Sammy phones and enjoy those locked bootloaders!
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Sorry, I had two glasses of wine.
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Sorry, I had two glasses of wine.
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Good thing it wasn't WT 101
Stability, functionality, speed and good battery life are all that matters. This "pu$$y" phone in my hand right now has all four, it's current load is over 1.5 years old with minimum maintenance/zero updates.
Yeah, I really hate it...
Hey everyone,
iPhone 14 Pro Max user here,
What's everybody's thoughts about this phone? Why would an iPhone user who gets top dollar for selling their phone right before/after announcement of the next want to buy this? I ordered the OP 11 for a crazy price of $500 after taxes from an open box deal and was wondering if this phone would be worth keeping.
I used to visit this site to find the latest tweaks and cool tricks you could do with your Android phone and there seems to be pretty much nothing that you couldn't do with a stock OnePlus 11. I am the type to try to not be reliant on expensive subscriptions such as cloud storage, hardware that is just overpriced, and being wrapped up deep into a single brand's ecosystem. I figured I already use Snapdrop instead of AirDrop, AirParrot instead on my Windows laptop instead of AirPlay on an Apple device, my home NAS instead of iCloud, and Windows PC's over expensive comparable Macs. However, I still use a few Apple devices in my daily life.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Apple nor do I feel any reason to HAVE to leave them, but I am always open to other options and I've always had a soft spot for OnePlus ever since the original 1. iPhones are becoming well-polished phones but I feel like iOS is bland sometimes.
In my opinion, OnePlus peaked with the 7 Pro. (It almost got me to switch back to Android) That phone did really everything right to me besides having pretty lackluster cameras. I really was only interested in checking this phone out because I noticed it was one of the only devices that supports Wi-Fi 7, it has incredibly fast charging, and it has USB-C! My iPhone has hardly any weaknesses, so I would really have to be won over big time by an Android phone to make me want to switch.
Do we see a future where, within the next few months to a year, this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality a lot and/or we receive some really neat custom ROM options / mods that really enhance the experience this hardware has to offer?
Something about these OnePlus phones and their bleeding-edge performance in certain key areas still have me wanting one every year. I just have a hard time justifying how I could force myself to use an Android phone living in the United States where all my business/family contacts use iOS for their mobile operating system. I feel like once iPhones use USB-C, they no longer have a camera cutout on their screens, and they can support faster charging speeds, Android will be dead in the US. It's a rough future ahead. For me, I used to love Android for the customization, the fun stuff that iOS would never allow, and that there were just so many choices to decide between depending on what device suited your needs most. Just my thoughts and opinions. Feel free to reply with what you think about this phone or how you navigate having to use an Android in an iOS-dominant country. I could easily switch, but I just don't see any major reason to do so anymore. And seeing the OP 11 forums kind of quiet compared to the old days of Google Nexus devices doesn't lead me to believe that people overall like this phone / are working on anything unofficially to try to improve the phone.
The forums have been relatively quiet for multiple reasons:
1. OnePlus has become developer community unfriendly, almost hostile: it's way too hard/too much work to create/install a different ROM than the official. In addition to that OnePlus has totally disabled full access to its cameras, "this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality" - no, very unlikely to happen.
2. OnePlus once was a flagship killer but in terms of price/features they have been lacking recently. OnePlus 11 is a breath of fresh air in terms of pricing but there are much much more affordable options such as the ZTE Nubia Z50 at $400 or something, which is almost twice as cheap as the OnePlus 11.
3. OxygenOS 13 is not the OxygenOS you may remember, it's a ColorOS facelift. OxygenOS 12 was extremely buggy and incomplete. "OxygenOS" 13 is lacking literally dozens of features present in OxygenOS 9-10-11.
4. Developers in general tinker with their Android phones a lot less nowadays than in the past. The whole development scene has been in decline.
5. Weird update policy doesn't help. I've heard (cannot confirm) that certain older OnePlus devices haven't got updates in the past 8 months.
That's my thoughts which may not necessarily represent the status quo.
To be honest I see no reason to switch from Apple to OnePlus unless you need advanced Android features such as normal file management, downloading any files from the Internet, being able to send files via BlueTooth, modding, various home screens, third party phone/SMS applications, etc. etc. etc.
You just listed pretty much most of the features Apple users don't have anyway so LoL
Unfortunately I have to use iPhone in my work so 3/4 of the day I spend on iOS. Compared to stock Oxygen OS13 (even if hated by die hard Oneplus fans) it is still much better IMO and more configurable than iOS. Apps eco system is different, iOS have generally more stylish apps but most of them if not pretty much every single one that is actually worth consideration is always paid version only.
From birdie's list, only the update policy on Android phones are worse compared to Apple.
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The forums have been relatively quiet for multiple reasons:
1. OnePlus has become developer community unfriendly, almost hostile: it's way too hard/too much work to create/install a different ROM than the official. In addition to that OnePlus has totally disabled full access to its cameras, "this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality" - no, very unlikely to happen.
2. OnePlus once was a flagship killer but in terms of price/features they have been lacking recently. OnePlus 11 is a breath of fresh air in terms of pricing but there are much much more affordable options such as the ZTE Nubia Z50 at $400 or something, which is almost twice as cheap as the OnePlus 11.
3. OxygenOS 13 is not the OxygenOS you may remember, it's a ColorOS facelift. OxygenOS 12 was extremely buggy and incomplete. "OxygenOS" 13 is lacking literally dozens of features present in OxygenOS 9-10-11.
4. Developers in general tinker with their Android phones a lot less nowadays than in the past. The whole development scene has been in decline.
5. Weird update policy doesn't help. I've heard (cannot confirm) that certain older OnePlus devices haven't got updates in the past 8 months.
That's my thoughts which may not necessarily represent the status quo.
To be honest I see no reason to switch from Apple to OnePlus unless you need advanced Android features such as normal file management, downloading any files from the Internet, being able to send files via BlueTooth, modding, various home screens, third party phone/SMS applications, etc. etc. etc.
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It's sad to see! My shipment got delayed and I'm already thinking of not keeping the phone. I feel like OnePlus needs a really strong camera setup before they can finally compete. I use my cameras too much to not have the best out there. The more reviews I watch, the more people say how the S23 Ultra is pretty much a better phone in almost every area besides charging and not having Wi-Fi 7. Not only that, but it seems that the phone also have custom ROM support. Just not trying to spend iPhone money on an Android unless I was for sure going to switch over. The Samsung has me slightly more intrigued...
rmx36 said:
It's sad to see! My shipment got delayed and I'm already thinking of not keeping the phone. I feel like OnePlus needs a really strong camera setup before they can finally compete. I use my cameras too much to not have the best out there. The more reviews I watch, the more people say how the S23 Ultra is pretty much a better phone in almost every area besides charging and not having Wi-Fi 7. Not only that, but it seems that the phone also have custom ROM support. Just not trying to spend iPhone money on an Android unless I was for sure going to switch over. The Samsung has me slightly more intrigued...
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SGS23 Ultra currently has the absolute best camera setup of any smartphone on Earth. I've seen its 50MP shots, they are outstanding. OnePlus 11 pales in comparison.
I'd have bought SGS23 Ultra but it's at the very least $400 more expensive which is too much for me.
It's not the best phone out there, but it isn't the worst either. People bash a lot about the color os version of oxygen os. I'm using it and kind of got used to it. It gets the work done. Cameras are very good according to the price. Front camera is mediocre. But the rear is very strong. You can see the reviews. Also it gets better through updates. Lastly and fortunately, a developer got the phone through crowdfunding as far as I know. So development might just happen for op11. Fingers crossed.
OP if you are able why not just use both? I have both OnePlus 11 and iPhone 14 pro max that I use everyday along with my pixel 7 pro. the iPhone 14 pro max has my primary sim in it which I use paired with an apple watch. and I recently made the move to an IPhone in early 2022 full time before that I was android all the way. I still want to use android because as everyone knows it still does things IPhones cant do. so anyways i use my oneplus 11 to mainly listen to podcasts, watch sports and tv. the speakers on this thing are great. maybe the iPhone beats it but not by alot imo. the screen i feel is better than the Iphone 14 pro max. and it acutally has a damn sim card slot which is something I hate that apple got rid of and sadly i see most companies doing in the future. the camera on the oneplus isn't as good but for me i dont care about that.
the only reason besides the apple watch that keeps me on an iphone as my daily is because of a very niche app otherwise i would be on android full time and i would just use the iphone to keep in the know.
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... Apps eco system is different, iOS have generally more stylish apps but most of them if not pretty much every single one that is actually worth consideration is always paid version only.
From birdie's list, only the update policy on Android phones are worse compared to Apple.
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This is why android users are generally categorized as being cheap people. I don't care what platform I'm using iOS, android or whatever if an app is worth it to me then I will pay for it. IMO this is why apple apps perform better than their android counterparts because developers know that people will pay for them so its worth their time.