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[Q] I need to know all the weaknesses about this phone.

I'm considering getting the SGS3 but I need to know what some of the most common problems that people have with this phone.

Capt said:
I'm considering getting the SGS3 but I need to know what some of the most common problems that people have with this phone.
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There is too much good development, there is too much ram, and the screen is too awesome.
On a serious note:
It gets warm when running apps that put a workload on the CPU is the only problem that I have had, well that and the fact that it isn't very bright in the sun, but that is an AMOLED issue.

It gets warm when you run games for around 20 minutes. I never had rise in temperature doing anything else. This is the best phone I've ever owned.
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Beware. It will ruin your life. I can not put this phone down. What it can do is limitless.
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Only problem I've seen is that the audio distorts if you try to record a video at a concert. Someone said Iphones dont do that...I dont know but most of my bare naked ladies concert I recorded was distorted too loud.....Why not automatic audio gain...???

Capt said:
I'm considering getting the SGS3 but I need to know what some of the most common problems that people have with this phone.
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yeah honestly the phone has only 3 problems as far as i can see...
1. the phone gets hot (like i've gotten over 40 degrees C ) when you push the CPU
2. IT might be because its just too awesome but my battery usually lasts me about 12 hours a day (with pretty extensive use)
3. The screen isn't too good in direct sunlight. I've tried both a matte screen protector as well as a invisible shield HD. Both had there own version of glare.
other than that i can't think of a thing...
ITS F***ING AMAZING!!!! :good:

The one major drawback is that the phone will get really hot sometimes. That's about it.
Stock ICS on my S3
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kb9nvh said:
Only problem I've seen is that the audio distorts if you try to record a video at a concert. Someone said Iphones dont do that...I dont know but most of my bare naked ladies concert I recorded was distorted too loud.....Why not automatic audio gain...???
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To be fair, not that many people look for good audio quality in concerts in a phone.
Stock ICS on my S3

thacounty said:
It gets warm when running apps that put a workload on the CPU is the only problem that I have had, well that and the fact that it isn't very bright in the sun, but that is an AMOLED issue.
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Actually amoled is far better in the sun than common LCD screens. I don't know of other screen technology that is better than amoled for outdoor use.
On topic I think size might be a little uncomfortable for some people. I happen to love the big screen though.

holangjai said:
Beware. It will ruin your life. I can not put this phone down. What it can do is limitless.
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1) Yes your significant other will likely get jealous and call you names.
2) warm with running heavy loads, BUT nowhere near the scorching sun that was the Atrix 4g.
3) the detect eye setting to leave screen on might freak you out. How does it know? Lol.
Man this phone is amazing.
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Best android phone on the market, in my opinion. Development for it is crazy awesome so highly recommend it.

I have KT747 and it's undervolted and overclocked. I played Pokemon Emerald for 2 hours while waiting in line to vote. No heating issues.
AT&T GS3
Rom: AOCP
Kernel: KT747

Ummmmm, well, uh...... I can't seem to come up with any things I WISH this phone didn't have. I have ZERO regrets getting this phone. The only other device I would consider would be the Note II, but that's not for any failings of the SGSIII, just more out of curiosity and a BIG screen

jefferson9 said:
Actually amoled is far better in the sun than common LCD screens. I don't know of other screen technology that is better than amoled for outdoor use.
On topic I think size might be a little uncomfortable for some people. I happen to love the big screen though.
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I read this and thought I was going crazy, but I'm not the only one with the issue:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45801/which-smartphone-best-screen-in-sun

My only issue is one handed use. When using the phone with 1 hand it is very hard to reach things at the top of the screen (notification bar, search buttons, etc)

The only problem with this phone is a direct consequence of its greatest feature : the screen is too big!
I have relatively small hands/fingers, so reaching anything on either the top or bottom left corners of the screen is next to impossible without holding the phone with both hands.

It's pretty fantastic. Easy to root and flash ROMS on, runs most games, nice speakers. A little tough to use one-handed, but you learn.
It does get scary hot sometimes, when you push it.
My biggest complaint about this thing is the glass they used to make the screen, honestly. It scratches and cracks a LOT easier than my Captivate ever did. The Captivate took almost two years to get a scratch; this one has a trio of scratches in the middle of the screen from I-have-no-idea-what. Also a crack in the corner from an unlucky fall. But if you get a screen cover, you'll mostly be alright, I think.

ignore anyone who is telling you the screen cracks easily...especially with this phone there is a video of a car running over it and it not cracking, i've already dropped it numerous times on hard surfaces to no bad result, not even a scratch.
a few things with the phone
1. heat if your overclocking (why you would do that on this phone is still beyond me- i can stream everything accept for blurays like planet earth to my phone on a 720mhz underclock- without lag )
2. the volume up and down buttons are the opposite size of a lot of motorola phones and where the volume was on your old motorola has a power button...I was wondering why the hell my phone keptshutting off the first week I had it lol...takes a while to get right...especially if you are using your phones on runs/jogs
3. the screen is bigger than normal for sure...less grip. the way i would descrine it to you is that someone could slap it out of your hand on a run
4. the back side of the phone has a lower than normal build quality...it is plastic. Nothing wrong with that personally. The problem comes with friction...like I said in 3 you don't have much grip because of the size of the phone. In addition to that the lack of friction on the back of the phone...how do I describe it...it would bounce up and down in your pocket...and in your back pack. Not exactly the most secure feeling. So for instance when I go on a long distance run I have to keep it out the entire time through. A contrast to the plastic back of the phone would be my old blackberry that has a leather back. It would slip right in, but stay PUT in your pocket.

Yea this phone is extremely easy to drop. Its so smooth and will slip out of your hand. Also feels extremely delicate.
But you can solve these problems by buying a case.

My biggest two complaints would be:
1-one handed operation
2-screen visibility in sunlight
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Questions and Concerns 5X

Questions:
Why does it take forever to install ANY app?
Why is the camera so laggy? Did they really consider this as a production release?
How can I disable encryption? I really feel like the phone would open up without it.
How much thinner does the 6P feel than the 5X? I went from an S6 Edge to the 5X and the 5X feels like a thick plastic brick.
Concerns:
Super slow app install
Screen is average
Speaker quality and volume is atrocious
It's bigger than you think it is
Off screen notifications (like Moto) is nowhere near as good
Cellular antenna is lower quality than my S6
If anyone else has any questions let me know. I am seriously considering trading this in for a 6P (even though I hate huge phones) or just returning it altogether and keeping my S6.
After all of this thinking, I just wish Samsung and Google could do Google Play edition phones again. Samsung seems to get it right in the design and hardware perspective, and Google obviously gets it right with software.

I feel exactly the same as you do in this respect. But comparing the 5x to the Galaxy s6 is not entirely fair as one is a premium £500+ phone, whilst the other is considered a mid tier budget handset.
I've been comparing it to the Nexus 5, which the 5x is supposed to be a successor to. But I'm underwhelmed and disappointed, especially in respects to the sound/audio quality, the hard plastic and the stuttered performance.

withdrawn said:
I feel exactly the same as you do in this respect. But comparing the 5x to the Galaxy s6 is not entirely fair as one is a premium £500+ phone, whilst the other is considered a mid tier budget handset.
I've been comparing it to the Nexus 5, which the 5x is supposed to be a successor to. But I'm underwhelmed and disappointed, especially in respects to the sound/audio quality, the hard plastic and the stuttered performance.
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I agree it isn't fair to compare the design to a phone nearly twice it's price. But it is all that I have to compare to, so it was done. I wish the 6P could've came in the 5X size. I would've even paid the same price.

Disabling the encryption will require a custom kernel I believe(and a wipe of your data). On the Nexus 6 it was like a one line code change and someone always posted one almost immediately after an update was released. Since rooting also requires a custom kernel on marshmallow I would imagine we'll see them pop up fairly quickly.

Syn Ack said:
I agree it isn't fair to compare the design to a phone nearly twice it's price. But it is all that I have to compare to, so it was done. I wish the 6P could've came in the 5X size. I would've even paid the same price.
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Me too. That would have been awesome if the only difference between both models were the screen sizes! Similar to the Iphone 6 and 6plus i guess.
But such is google and such is life
But back to the 5x, there really in not an excuse for the poor audio/sound. I cannot get over how bad and low it is, headphoned and without! I keep thinking.. wait.. is this some sort of joke or a prank or something by google!
But I have to accept facts. I think I will be returning it to be honest..

Syn Ack said:
Questions:
Why does it take forever to install ANY app?
Why is the camera so laggy? Did they really consider this as a production release?
How can I disable encryption? I really feel like the phone would open up without it.
How much thinner does the 6P feel than the 5X? I went from an S6 Edge to the 5X and the 5X feels like a thick plastic brick.
Concerns:
Super slow app install
Screen is average
Speaker quality and volume is atrocious
It's bigger than you think it is
Off screen notifications (like Moto) is nowhere near as good
Cellular antenna is lower quality than my S6
If anyone else has any questions let me know. I am seriously considering trading this in for a 6P (even though I hate huge phones) or just returning it altogether and keeping my S6.
After all of this thinking, I just wish Samsung and Google could do Google Play edition phones again. Samsung seems to get it right in the design and hardware perspective, and Google obviously gets it right with software.
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I wondering if you have a faulty phone.
1. Apps don't seem to install slow for me unless they are very large. Even then it isn't super long.
2. I haven't experienced any lag with the camera so far. The app opens pretty quickly and takes pictures as fast as I can tap the button.
3. Not sure how to disable encryption but I do know that it requires a full wipe of the phone.
4. The Nexus 5X is only 0.9mm thicker than the S6 Edge and doesn't feel thick to me at all. I actually wish it was like 10-11mm with a HUGE battery. I've never understood this obsession with super thin phones.
The screen looks great, very sharp, gets more than bright enough and colors are accurate. I would prefer an AMOLED but not too upset about it. The speaker quality and volume aren't super fantastic but far from being "atrocious". It's about what I would expect from a speaker that's tiny enough to fit in a smartphone and it's better than the Nexus 5 for sure. I haven't used the Moto display notifications enough to make a comparison but the Ambient display feature is pretty nice so far. I also haven't noticed any issues with antenna quality but I haven't been in very low reception areas yet.
And the best part about the Nexus 5X compared to the Galaxy S6 is that you don't have to put up with that god awful TouchWiz garbage. You get PURE Android instead of Samsung's bastardized excuse for "Android".
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Syn Ack said:
I agree it isn't fair to compare the design to a phone nearly twice it's price. But it is all that I have to compare to, so it was done. I wish the 6P could've came in the 5X size. I would've even paid the same price.
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I would have liked the Nexus 6P in the size of the Nexus 5X too or preferably smaller like a 5.2" screen with very slim bezels but I'd still rather have the Snapdragon 808 over the Snapdragon 810 which, even with revision 2.1 still has heating and throttling issues.

jimv1983 said:
I would have liked the Nexus 6P in the size of the Nexus 5X too or preferably smaller like a 5.2" screen with very slim bezels but I'd still rather have the Snapdragon 808 over the Snapdragon 810 which, even with revision 2.1 still has heating and throttling issues.
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All of the "bad characteristics" of the 810 are present in the 808. In fact, the 808 basically *is* an 810 with a few parts that didn't pass testing having been disabled.

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All of the "bad characteristics" of the 810 are present in the 808. In fact, the 808 basically *is* an 810 with a few parts that didn't pass testing having been disabled.
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It's my understanding that those few parts that were disabled were the same things causing the issues on the 810. On one of the threads here someone someone was talking about disabled some cores and underclocking to effectively turn the 810 into an 808 and resolve the issues the 810 is known for.

jimv1983 said:
It's my understanding that those few parts that were disabled were the same things causing the issues on the 810. On one of the threads here someone someone was talking about disabled some cores and underclocking to effectively turn the 810 into an 808 and resolve the issues the 810 is known for.
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The 810 never actually had such an issue that you could solve it like that. True it eats lots of power, makes lots of heat, and is forced to scale back to lower frequencies and *automatically shut off cores*. Until they start putting a cooling fan in phones, ALL CPUs will respond this way when they work hard and get hot. This is normal and expected behavior. The only thing with the SD810, is that it has a pack of Cortex A57's, which, regardless of who stamps them out into what SoC, are going to do the exact same thing.
But you can't SOLVE the "problem" by turning off 2 cores, since it does that *automatically* when it gets too hot.
Not that this improves matters for the 808, since those two A57's are more than enough to hit the temperature limit after a few seconds of running hard. Just that its a few *more* seconds than the 810... but the 810 gets more work done in that time.

Question: without an SD card and only internal storage, how will we be able to back up (eg Titanium Backup, Nova settings etc) without losing said backups in a data wipe when flashing roms?

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The 810 never actually had such an issue that you could solve it like that. True it eats lots of power, makes lots of heat, and is forced to scale back to lower frequencies and *automatically shut off cores*. Until they start putting a cooling fan in phones, ALL CPUs will respond this way when they work hard and get hot. This is normal and expected behavior. The only thing with the SD810, is that it has a pack of Cortex A57's, which, regardless of who stamps them out into what SoC, are going to do the exact same thing.
But you can't SOLVE the "problem" by turning off 2 cores, since it does that *automatically* when it gets too hot.
Not that this improves matters for the 808, since those two A57's are more than enough to hit the temperature limit after a few seconds of running hard. Just that its a few *more* seconds than the 810... but the 810 gets more work done in that time.
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But if you are underclocking then the CPU is less likely to get to the point where it has shut some things down. With 2 cores disabled from the start and the remaining cores under clocked it does make it better. From what I understand the 810, which gets to that point much faster, will actually become worse than the 808 once it gets to the point where it has to scale back.

Heat

Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy S7 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

what i find is that my device (S7) stays very cool under conditions that my other device (m8) would overheat. now i dont play traditional games on my smartphone but i do run chess engines against each other on all 4 cores and typically after about 10 minutes i would have to stop because my m8 would reach over 50 degrees Celsius (122 Fahrenheit). under more strenuous conditions the s7 only reached 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) after running for close to an hour. although the phone got physically hot which may be alarming, but i relied on an app to measure the internal temp. once i get a case for the s7 i probably wont even notice.
all in all, these results blew me away. i will try this again after i root the s7 and overclock it. but for now im very impressed.

The question here is does it throttle and how fast does it start throttling? A lot of people are complaining about the heat but really it should be hotter. The new heat pipe is supposed to disperse the heat to the frame away from the processor. Now if it is only hot where the processor is located like my s6 then that is a problem.
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I've been pleasantly surprised with how cool the device stays as well. I keep it in an Incipio DualPro (although I find myself taking it out often either for Gear VR time, or just because the damn phone is nice to look at) and tend to go on usage binges frequently. Even throwing in a little gaming here and there (mostly Clash of Clans which used to warm up the S5 pretty easily.) So far, so cool. Even wireless charging (slow or fast) seems to run cooler.
If it's throttling to keep the temperature averages lower, then it hasn't been of detrimental effect to my own usage patterns so far.

I am actually hater of Android phones, but the features provided by Samsung Galaxy S7 and edge S7 are truly amazing. actully I personally saw after charging all Android devices they get heated. But I must say this S7 and S7 Edge are not from this family. Also there are some great features like water residence technique.... etc.

does it get hot when constantly using the facebook app(Like my S6 overheats sometime when using it often due to heavy usage)? i'm buying the S7 next week

After a few days of use I can say that it does not even get warm much less hot while doing anything I normally do, including gaming and I play a wide range of games on my phone including some pretty graphical ones. The only time it has felt warm at all was when I was first downloading and trying all of my VR games, not sure why though because I played a couple hours of VR last night and it did not heat up at all, maybe it was burning in?

Both my S7 and my wife's S7 get very warm. I immediately noticed it on the first boot for both devices when the Play Store was installing all of our apps. Installing about 50 apps took over a hour. I think both of our devices are defective as they are not consistently running smoothly as well the LTE speeds are 50% slower than our previous S6 and S6 Edge. So far a factory reset has not corrected the problem for either device. That said both S7's still score very high with Antutu 128000-129000. It's all very odd.

Lastwurdz said:
what i find is that my device (S7) stays very cool under conditions that my other device (m8) would overheat. now i dont play traditional games on my smartphone but i do run chess engines against each other on all 4 cores and typically after about 10 minutes i would have to stop because my m8 would reach over 50 degrees Celsius (122 Fahrenheit). under more strenuous conditions the s7 only reached 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) after running for close to an hour. although the phone got physically hot which may be alarming, but i relied on an app to measure the internal temp. once i get a case for the s7 i probably wont even notice.
all in all, these results blew me away. i will try this again after i root the s7 and overclock it. but for now im very impressed.
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I switched from the M8 to the S7 and my M8 never got this hot. My S7 is always getting warm and the battery life sucks. I got it 3 days ago and have yet to play a game or watch media on it and it still heats up and the battery is down in the teen % by late afternoon.

Qualcomm SD820 sucks unfortunately. Gets hot, bad battery life, ****ty DAC.

ThoreauAZ said:
I've been pleasantly surprised with how cool the device stays as well. I keep it in an Incipio DualPro (although I find myself taking it out often either for Gear VR time, or just because the damn phone is nice to look at) and tend to go on usage binges frequently. Even throwing in a little gaming here and there (mostly Clash of Clans which used to warm up the S5 pretty easily.) So far, so cool. Even wireless charging (slow or fast) seems to run cooler.
If it's throttling to keep the temperature averages lower, then it hasn't been of detrimental effect to my own usage patterns so far.
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a bit off topic.. how is that incipio case working out for you. i've been eyeing it but haven't read any feedback. is it a slick case or does it have some texture for the grip? rubbery or plastic? thanks for any help.

konoplya said:
a bit off topic.. how is that incipio case working out for you. i've been eyeing it but haven't read any feedback. is it a slick case or does it have some texture for the grip? rubbery or plastic? thanks for any help.
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I had the same model case for my S5 and loved it. It was bulky but was the kind of added protection I was looking for when i was out hiking or backpacking.
The version for the S7 (S7 Edge, specifically) feels more streamlined to me. Definiteky thinner materials, and because it has to keep the two long sides of the phone fairly clear due to the edge screen, it's a good bit more flexible (i can pop the phone in and out without having to first separate the two case layers.) I'd expect the non edge version for the s7 may be more in line with what I remember from my S5 days.
That said, the grip/texture is a nice balance between slick and grippy. It has a rubbery feel, but it doesn't snag on its way in and out of a pocket. Its just enough to know that it won't slip outta the hand.
Meanwhile, on the heat subject again, the s7e managed to reboot itself during a VR session and when it came back up, it seemed to have forgotten a lotta settings. Edge panels were no longer selected, double tap home yo launch camera went away, and probably 8 or so others that I noticed eventually. Easy enough to set them back, but thats the first time ive ever seen something like that on an android device. I can't say for certain that it was heat related, as it couldve rebooted due to any number of unfound software bugs, but it certainly had become fairly toasty during that session.

ThoreauAZ said:
I had the same model case for my S5 and loved it. It was bulky but was the kind of added protection I was looking for when i was out hiking or backpacking.
The version for the S7 (S7 Edge, specifically) feels more streamlined to me. Definiteky thinner materials, and because it has to keep the two long sides of the phone fairly clear due to the edge screen, it's a good bit more flexible (i can pop the phone in and out without having to first separate the two case layers.) I'd expect the non edge version for the s7 may be more in line with what I remember from my S5 days.
That said, the grip/texture is a nice balance between slick and grippy. It has a rubbery feel, but it doesn't snag on its way in and out of a pocket. Its just enough to know that it won't slip outta the hand.
Meanwhile, on the heat subject again, the s7e managed to reboot itself during a VR session and when it came back up, it seemed to have forgotten a lotta settings. Edge panels were no longer selected, double tap home yo launch camera went away, and probably 8 or so others that I noticed eventually. Easy enough to set them back, but thats the first time ive ever seen something like that on an android device. I can't say for certain that it was heat related, as it couldve rebooted due to any number of unfound software bugs, but it certainly had become fairly toasty during that session.
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so in other words you'd recommend this case? thanks for the info btw. very helpful.

No problems with heat or battery here. Way cooler than my s6.
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jonahtriangle said:
No problems with heat or battery here. Way cooler than my s6.
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jonahtriangle said:
No problems with heat or battery here. Way cooler than my s6.
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Definitely cooler than my s6 and to the person stating this phone gets hotter than his m8 did, you DEFINITELY must have a bad phone. The m8 and m9 always got very hot in my experience this phone is almost like ICE in comparison. My s6 even was cooler than either of those 2 and the s7 is even cooler than the s6. Battery life seems to be a little better than my s6 as well.

Pretty rough
I switched from my old S4 to the S7 on day one, and equipped it with all of the same accessories. I work in a kitchen, and it's often extremely hot on the line, but even in an Otter Defender my S4 would rock all day as a bluetooth music player connected to our soundbar. Ever since the switch I will get between 30-45 minutes only running DoubleTwist on BT before I get a hard reset from overheating. I've taken to leaving it in the pantry, but now I have to run off the line every time I want to change the song or the volume. As a desktop builder I understand the compromises between heat, performance, and cooling, but this seems a little sensitive.

I have g935f. Before that i had G920f and i have to say, best phone i ever had in my hands. No heating... Playing games for a few houers and no throtel no overheatin. Batthery is much bether than on S6, but i think that MM for S6 is more optimized for S6 then S7. Abouth heat, i think that the diference is in CPU. Exynus VS Snapdragon...

JAYNO20 said:
Definitely cooler than my s6 and to the person stating this phone gets hotter than his m8 did, you DEFINITELY must have a bad phone. The m8 and m9 always got very hot in my experience this phone is almost like ICE in comparison. My s6 even was cooler than either of those 2 and the s7 is even cooler than the s6. Battery life seems to be a little better than my s6 as well.
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Can I just ask you. What's the average temperature your device sits at when using it? And the maximum you've gotten it up to. I need to compare mine to it as I came from a s5 which didn't really get hot. But because the s7 is new I'm also quite paranoid with the heat and need to see if I have a defected device or not. And please state wether you have exynos or sd
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Strazzi said:
I have g935f. Before that i had G920f and i have to say, best phone i ever had in my hands. No heating... Playing games for a few houers and no throtel no overheatin. Batthery is much bether than on S6, but i think that MM for S6 is more optimized for S6 then S7. Abouth heat, i think that the diference is in CPU. Exynus VS Snapdragon...
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Do you have exynos or snapdragon? I've got exynos and I experienced a average of 33 degrees Celsius, is that normal or average

thafz said:
Can I just ask you. What's the average temperature your device sits at when using it? And the maximum you've gotten it up to. I need to compare mine to it as I came from a s5 which didn't really get hot. But because the s7 is new I'm also quite paranoid with the heat and need to see if I have a defected device or not. And please state wether you have exynos or sd
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Do you have exynos or snapdragon? I've got exynos and I experienced a average of 33 degrees Celsius, is that normal or average
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I don't have any temperature measuring programs on the phone, but it rarely even feels warm. It will show heat a little more than your s5 does because its glass and metal but the s7 runs cooler than my s6 and the s6 wasn't really a hot phone either IMO.

One BIG problem of Note7

It is sad that reviewers never talk about one important thing about new devices. And this is radiation level. Galaxy Note7 has very high radiation compared to other Galaxy smartphones. It has radiation 1,28 W/kg (body) in Europe (in USA it should have even higher), which is very high compared to Galaxy S7 edge which have 0,51 W/kg (body). I think limit in Europe is 1,5 or 2,0 W/kg.
And reviewers also don't talk about one other BIG problem with Samsungs smartphones. And this is uneven color temperature on the screen. If you turn on 5 same Galaxy smartphones and put on their screens white color you will see that some of them will not have even white. Some will have in some parts of the screen white more greenish or grayish or pinkish. Specialy Galaxy S6 have this problem and S7 edge too. This definitely ruin good feeling of using smartphone. It is really weird that nobody reviewer talk about that. I don't know if Note7 still have this problem. I would be surprised if don't have it.

Thanks for the reminder. We are so addicted to our mobile devices that it's easy to forget the sad reality that our toys are killing us. The widespread addiction ensures that the powerful invisible hand continues to obstruct our vision from seeing the truth. The truth is, cell phone technology should be outlawed until we can find a way to transmit data without radiation.

It does concern me... Blackberries were always the worst.
USA Model (AT&T), other's probably the same (SM-N930T):
Head : 0.65 W/Kg
Body-worn accessory : 0.58 W/Kg
Product specific(wireless router) : 1.02 W/Kg
Simultaneous transmission : 1.59 W/Kg
International Dual SIM (SM-N930FD):
Head SAR : 0.249 W/Kg
Body SAR : 1.28 W/Kg
So could be a difference between Exynos and Snapdragon

ye that white problem is not cool... I will for sure be returning the phone if this happens to me... dunno how hard it will be to prove them that the screen is f up.

peterbu said:
It is sad that reviewers never talk about one important thing about new devices. And this is radiation level. Galaxy Note7 has very high radiation compared to other Galaxy smartphones. It has radiation 1,28 W/kg (body) in Europe (in USA it should have even higher), which is very high compared to Galaxy S7 edge which have 0,51 W/kg (body). I think limit in Europe is 1,5 or 2,0 W/kg.
And reviewers also don't talk about one other BIG problem with Samsungs smartphones. And this is uneven color temperature on the screen. If you turn on 5 same Galaxy smartphones and put on their screens white color you will see that some of them will not have even white. Some will have in some parts of the screen white more greenish or grayish or pinkish. Specialy Galaxy S6 have this problem and S7 edge too. This definitely ruin good feeling of using smartphone. It is really weird that nobody reviewer talk about that. I don't know if Note7 still have this problem. I would be surprised if don't have it.
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This issue with the screen started since the s2. Not only in whites but also certain shades of greys will have s reddish/yellowish tints on them.

Uh....what is w/kg ? That seems like a heat measurement. Googled it, and it is. RF doesn't harm a body outside of heating it or shocking it, and both need extreme amounts. Any other danger caused by RF, which means radio frequency by the way, are not supported by any science.
Radiation is a misleading term, and you should really educate yourself on it. There are no radioisotopes in a cell phone, so no harmful radiation. The RF limit in the US is 1.6 w and in the EU it's 2.0.

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Uh....what is w/kg ? That seems like a heat measurement. Googled it, and it is. RF doesn't harm a body outside of heating it or shocking it, and both need extreme amounts. Any other danger caused by RF, which means radio frequency by the way, are not supported by any science.
Radiation is a misleading term, and you should really educate yourself on it. There are no radioisotopes in a cell phone, so no harmful radiation. The RF limit in the US is 1.6 w and in the EU it's 2.0.
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Well no one talked about radioisotopes, radiation is a general term for waves of different frequency. You do go outside and the sun might shine on you, do you? UV radiation also does not bombard you with radioisotopes, however you do get confronted with them everywere but of a different source.
Extreme amounts are required to show an effect in a short time during studies. However the issue with phones is that you use them every day with little exposure. This can have a long term effect that is difficult to study and the stuff is not around long enough.
The younger generation will be exposed to those phone radiation for 60-80 years of their life, no one could do studies for that long so far...

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Well no one talked about radioisotopes, radiation is a general term for waves of different frequency. You do go outside and the sun might shine on you, do you? UV radiation also does not bombard you with radioisotopes, however you do get confronted with them everywere but of a different source.
Extreme amounts are required to show an effect in a short time during studies. However the issue with phones is that you use them every day with little exposure. This can have a long term effect that is difficult to study and the stuff is not around long enough.
The younger generation will be exposed to those phone radiation for 60-80 years of their life, no one could do studies for that long so far...
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Kilowatts will burn you. Watts won't do anything.

As for the color temperature, reviewers test ONE phone, and it's usually one they've been given from the manufacturer. Kind of hard for them to determine that various units might differ on color temperature with a sample size of one.
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Well no one talked about radioisotopes, radiation is a general term for waves of different frequency. You do go outside and the sun might shine on you, do you? UV radiation also does not bombard you with radioisotopes, however you do get confronted with them everywere but of a different source.
Extreme amounts are required to show an effect in a short time during studies. However the issue with phones is that you use them every day with little exposure. This can have a long term effect that is difficult to study and the stuff is not around long enough.
The younger generation will be exposed to those phone radiation for 60-80 years of their life, no one could do studies for that long so far...
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Problem with using the term radiation in general like that is the guy is implying it is harmful radiation. Radiated heat, light, and other waves aren't going to hurt you.

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Problem with using the term radiation in general like that is the guy is implying it is harmful radiation. Radiated heat, light, and other waves aren't going to hurt you.
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Well I'm not sure where you live, but I do have a radiator in every room at home. This one does make sure I do not freeze to death in winter. It is called radiator and there is no intention of harming me as long as I don't hit a toe against it. Maybe this is "general" for you, maybe even for your surrounding. But radiation is not a term associated with harmfulness.
But on another topic, it is probably more harmful to convince yourself that stuff is not harmful instead of being a little cautious.

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Well I'm not sure where you live, but I do have a radiator in every room at home. This one does make sure I do not freeze to death in winter. It is called radiator and there is no intention of harming me as long as I don't hit a toe against it. Maybe this is "general" for you, maybe even for your surrounding. But radiation is not a term associated with harmfulness.
But on another topic, it is probably more harmful to convince yourself that stuff is not harmful instead of being a little cautious.
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Sure. Life IS dangerous. its a question of perspective though. The sun is far more dangerous than most people realise. I would think exposure for very long term use of our mobiles may well have some health effect but so does our diet like eating eggs and bacon plus life is dangerous.
You of course realise we are exposed to RF all day ever day more or less world wide?
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Ryland Johnson said:
pilzj said:
Well I'm not sure where you live, but I do have a radiator in every room at home. This one does make sure I do not freeze to death in winter. It is called radiator and there is no intention of harming me as long as I don't hit a toe against it. Maybe this is "general" for you, maybe even for your surrounding. But radiation is not a term associated with harmfulness.
But on another topic, it is probably more harmful to convince yourself that stuff is not harmful instead of being a little cautious.
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Sure. Life IS dangerous. its a question of perspective though. The sun is far more dangerous than most people realise. I would think exposure for very long term use of our mobiles may well have some health effect but so does our diet like eating eggs and bacon plus life is dangerous.
You of course realise we are exposed to RF all day ever day more or less world wide?
Ryland
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Don't worry... we're all addicted. Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

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Don't worry... we're all addicted. Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
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I have a waiting list for my problems!
Ryland:highfive:

peterbu said:
It is sad that reviewers never talk about one important thing about new devices. And this is radiation level. Galaxy Note7 has very high radiation compared to other Galaxy smartphones. It has radiation 1,28 W/kg (body) in Europe (in USA it should have even higher), which is very high compared to Galaxy S7 edge which have 0,51 W/kg (body). I think limit in Europe is 1,5 or 2,0 W/kg.
And reviewers also don't talk about one other BIG problem with Samsungs smartphones. And this is uneven color temperature on the screen. If you turn on 5 same Galaxy smartphones and put on their screens white color you will see that some of them will not have even white. Some will have in some parts of the screen white more greenish or grayish or pinkish. Specialy Galaxy S6 have this problem and S7 edge too. This definitely ruin good feeling of using smartphone. It is really weird that nobody reviewer talk about that. I don't know if Note7 still have this problem. I would be surprised if don't have it.
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I thought you were talking about one problem. That's two

What votum's saying is unless something creates energy at high enough frequencys so that it can knock off electrons and create ions, it wont cause "ionizing" damage. The things that people most refer radiation with is things like uv from the sun, nuclear, x rays etc. But you can have radiation at lower frequencys that do not ionize and so cause no damage (non ionizing). Such things like microwaves (no not food ovens), radio waves, infra red, sound for god sake. Anything that is below the frequencys that cause ionization. These things do and are radiation, but radiation is not exclusive for ionizing radiation so does not mean its cancer causing voodoo.
Cell phones are non ionizing radiation, they do not emit energys high enough to cause damage. Its not possible in theory nor has it been proven.
The radation levels stated are related to whats commonly called the specific absorption rate, SAR for short. This measures energy in the form of microwaves. Microwaves are known to be able to move electrons and create heat, used as such in food ovens. So its quite logical for there to be a close eye in things that emit microwaves so that we dont accidentally hurt ourselves. Not by radiation that causes things like cancer, but less common and rare ones. But the SAR levels in phones is no way high enough to be concerned about, nor will it cause cancer.

DANOFDANGER said:
What votum's saying is unless something creates energy at high enough frequencys so that it can knock off electrons and create ions, it wont cause "ionizing" damage. The things that people most refer radiation with is things like uv from the sun, nuclear, x rays etc. But you can have radiation at lower frequencys that do not ionize and so cause no damage (non ionizing). Such things like microwaves (no not food ovens), radio waves, infra red, sound for god sake. Anything that is below the frequencys that cause ionization. These things do and are radiation, but radiation is not exclusive for ionizing radiation so does not mean its cancer causing voodoo.
Cell phones are non ionizing radiation, they do not emit energys high enough to cause damage. Its not possible in theory nor has it been proven.
The radation levels stated are related to whats commonly called the specific absorption rate, SAR for short. This measures energy in the form of microwaves. Microwaves are known to be able to move electrons and create heat, used as such in food ovens. So its quite logical for there to be a close eye in things that emit microwaves so that we dont accidentally hurt ourselves. Not by radiation that causes things like cancer, but less common and rare ones. But the SAR levels in phones is no way high enough to be concerned about, nor will it cause cancer.
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According to a recent study outlined in Scientific American, the experts conclude that they disagree with everything you just said. One expert even went so far as to say "It actually has me concerned, and I am an expert."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-radiation-study-reignites-cancer-questions/

Well science has been built on the foundation of theorys like this, if it was wrong. We would all hear about it. As far as studys go, its not proven until its validified by more than one party. And must be repeatable, if it fails once. The whole theory collapses.
But i am not here to argue, if you want to know for sure. Just read a book on physics or science. You will just know in theory whats possible and whats not, regardless of whats thrown out there.
Peace.

Better move to Antarctica and not use electricity. You're surrounded by rf radiation from the power lines, radio AM/FM, TV signals, god knows what else. Of course, if you go there, you're going to need thermal radiation or you're going to freeze to death and/or eat lots of cold food.
As a ham radio operator, I'm exposed to significantly more RF in a day than you will get from your phone in 3 years.
And to the person who said kW will burn and not W. I will beg to prove you incorrect. I brushed against a dipole antenna while someone transmitted a continuous load 100W and have a scar to show for it.
Honestly you have far greater things to worry about during your time on this planet.

I work in the nuclear field, and in the US, we don't use radiation to describe heat or light. Radiation is a scary word and is only referred to in a general sense to ionizing radiation. Yeah, a sunburn is caused by radiation, but we don't describe it as such. If you say radiation in America people instantly think of the kind of radiation given by radioisotopes, the harmful kind...ie a, b, g. I wish that it wasn't the case, because it is misguided, but honestly the only reason a media outlet would use the term radiation is to get coverage, not because it is scientifically accurate. Most people aren't scientists, which is why I made my original statement. Saying a phone gives off radiation is a fear mongering clickbaity thing to do, because everything gives off radiation, but almost none of it is harmful.
In the US we just don't use the word radiation outside of scientific study unless you are referring to something harmful typically. No one walks around saying, "man that radiant heat feels good."
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Also I want to point out that the scientists who co ducted the study can't even say for sure there is a link due to issues like male rats living longer when exposed to RF. I also want to point out another flaw, and that is 3/4 of their test groups were far above the legal limits of w/kg exposure. The study also didn't get published, which means it was flawed. The bottom line is saying cell phone radiation is harmful is crazy talk, because guess what? You are being bathed in RF all day regardless of whether you have a phone or not. Just likenon smokers in big cities have the same rate of lung cancer as heavy smokers.
Show me a study with cell radiation measured in Sieverts and I'll pay attention

This phone becomes burning hot under stress!

I noticed this when playing certain heavily graphical games under max graphics settings. It's distractingly uncomfortable. I then ran benchmark tests. This is the hottest running phone I've ever used! Few users notice this issue cause few users use the phone for anything other than youtube, chrome, and casual games like skyforce and dead trigger.
I think I know why. The OnePlus company was very upset when people noticed their OnePlus 2 exhibited the biggest amount of thermal throttling among its peers, so with their new OnePlus 3 they simply disabled thermal throttling and let the phone sustain the same performance over time at the expense of massive heat output. The skin temperature on the metal surface of the phone, especially at the top where the chipset is located, gets just shy of 50 C which is what causes first degree burns. Sometimes it can reach that temp and surpass it.
I saw disassembly videos of this phone and there's no design and engineering thought put into thermal dissipation, they just slapped the motherboard at the top and the battery at the bottom. Contrast this with other phones like HTC where they give thermal dissipation careful consideration by putting the motherboard in the middle, then attatching a copper layer on top of it to radiate the heat outward to the edges. Even the ZTE Axon 7 has some kind of heat pipe going through it though I don't know how effective it is.
This kinda makes sense. I've been following OnePlus 3 devs on reddit and they never once gloated about their phone's sustained performance. This is because they know the only reason it didn't throttle was cause they just let it burn your hand.
I'm truly disappointed. The only phone to date that I've seen has excellent thermal dissipation and sustained performance was the HTC One M8. It was truly the best phone ever designed for gaming. Not to mention its immersive dual front facing stereo speakers. It seems we'll never have another phone like that again.

Pong Lenis said:
I noticed this when playing certain heavily graphical games under max graphics settings. It's distractingly uncomfortable. I then ran benchmark tests. This is the hottest running phone I've ever used! Few users notice this issue cause few users use the phone for anything other than youtube, chrome, and casual games like skyforce and dead trigger.
I think I know why. The OnePlus company was very upset when people noticed their OnePlus 2 exhibited the biggest amount of thermal throttling among its peers, so with their new OnePlus 3 they simply disabled thermal throttling and let the phone sustain the same performance over time at the expense of massive heat output. The skin temperature on the metal surface of the phone, especially at the top where the chipset is located, gets just shy of 50 C which is what causes first degree burns. Sometimes it can reach that temp and surpass it.
I saw disassembly videos of this phone and there's no design and engineering thought put into thermal dissipation, they just slapped the motherboard at the top and the battery at the bottom. Contrast this with other phones like HTC where they give thermal dissipation careful consideration by putting the motherboard in the middle, then attatching a copper layer on top of it to radiate the heat outward to the edges. Even the ZTE Axon 7 has some kind of heat pipe going through it though I don't know how effective it is.
This kinda makes sense. I've been following OnePlus 3 devs on reddit and they never once gloated about their phone's sustained performance. This is because they know the only reason it didn't throttle was cause they just let it burn your hand.
I'm truly disappointed. The only phone to date that I've seen has excellent thermal dissipation and sustained performance was the HTC One M8. It was truly the best phone ever designed for gaming. Not to mention its immersive dual front facing stereo speakers. It seems we'll never have another phone like that again.
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One, things depend on temperature of surrounding so if ambient temperature are low then no problems and second I know this they didn't disable thermal throttling they just raised the temperature at which it starts.
As a personal opinion my op3 never got hot(not above 40) even after extended periods of gaming (3-4 hours straight).I have other devices that can easily hit 70 but they don't fell hot due to plastic body and this phone has metal that's why it will be more hotter feeling.Have a good day or night
Sorry for my bad english

Dupleshwar said:
One, things depend on temperature of surrounding so if ambient temperature are low then no problems and second I know this they didn't disable thermal throttling they just raised the temperature at which it starts.
As a personal opinion my op3 never got hot(not above 40) even after extended periods of gaming (3-4 hours straight).I have other devices that can easily hit 70 but they don't fell hot due to plastic body and this phone has metal that's why it will be more hotter feeling.Have a good day or night
Sorry for my bad english
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So ambient temperature here is 17 C, very cold. I also viewed youtube comparison videos from user YourTechGuide who checks the temps during benchmarks, his results were always the same: OnePlus 3 was always around 10 C degrees hotter than any phone he was comparing it with.
Also one last thing, OnePlus 3 metal surface temps is the one that reaches 50C, its internal temp (the one read by CPU-z) can surpass 70C and 80C.

@Pong Lenis
Which firmware are you currently using?
Even while charging and playing games the phone only gets slightly warm. It performs much better than any other phone I had before.

Nothing to worry about, this phone is realitive cool, keep in mind our GPU could power a Xbox 360. Expect a little heat.

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It's ok you're English being good
So ambient temperature here is 17 C, very cold. I also viewed youtube comparison videos from user YourTechGuide who checks the temps during benchmarks, his results were always the same: OnePlus 3 was always around 10 C degrees hotter than any phone he was comparing it with.
Also one last thing, OnePlus 3 metal surface temps is the one that reaches 50C, its internal temp (the one read by CPU-z) can surpass 70C and 80C.
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Strange never heating issues here but one thing who will anyone run back to back benchmarks what I am saying the test is not very realistic we don't push our devices that much for that much peroids(I also saw the video of back to back an tutu benchmarks on op3) the test is very unrealistic I think.
One more thing I could be wrong also and if someone can correct me with a reason they are welcome:laugh: