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Face Recognition App

Do you think someone will make an app that will detect your face and unlock the phone now that we have a front facing camera. Also what is the motion sensor used for?

That'd be awesome
Do you think someone will make an app that will detect your face and unlock the phone now that we have a front facing camera. Also what is the motion sensor used for?
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Hope I am posting this correctly,
Saw this a few months ago
http://onlygizmos.com/recognizr-app-brings-face-detection-to-android/2010/02/

ferfy67 said:
Hope I am posting this correctly,
Saw this a few months ago
http://onlygizmos.com/recognizr-app-brings-face-detection-to-android/2010/02/
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Sweet. Hopefully it's hacked with front camera access and the ability to enable it by holding the volume rocker to do the scan. Hopefully you don't wake up one day looking really ugly.

Lots to hope for LOL
It would be nice to have the camera key on the side though. There already a couple of face "detection" apps out there, not recognition though. Photofunia, in market, takes face and puts in various backrounds, works well

gqstatus0685 said:
Do you think someone will make an app that will detect your face and unlock the phone now that we have a front facing camera. Also what is the motion sensor used for?
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One example of the motion sensor is that when someone calls you, the Evo quiets the ringtone when it detects you've moved your phone with the intent to pick up the call.

It's actually a proximity sensor, used to turn the screen off when it's held close to your face. The feature of the ringer quieting on pickup uses the accelerometer.

So what does the motion sensor do?

keishou said:
It's actually a proximity sensor, used to turn the screen off when it's held close to your face. The feature of the ringer quieting on pickup uses the accelerometer.
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I think he means "accelerometer" when he says "motion sensor"

NOPE
keishou said:
It's actually a proximity sensor, used to turn the screen off when it's held close to your face. The feature of the ringer quieting on pickup uses the accelerometer.
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The Light sensor via front of HD2 disables touchscreen of device when held close to face! The motion sensor is used for screen rotate and other apps that work well with phone positioning commands!

djellenar said:
The Light sensor via front of HD2 disables touchscreen of device when held close to face! The motion sensor is used for screen rotate and other apps that work well with phone positioning commands!
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The light sensor has nothing to do with disabling the touch screen. Its used to change the auto brightness of the display. The screen shuts off when on the phone because its turned upright.
Well that's how it works on the evo. So I would think the same for hd2 that u mentioned in a evo thread...

It is turned off via proximity sensor not accelerometer

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It is turned off via proximity sensor not accelerometer
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Ahh, but u can hold the phone next to u and the screen won't come on till u tilt the phone horizontal...anyway its not the light sensor...And yes a face recog app would be very cool to have...

People, people! Please!
1) Accelerometer: Used to detect changes in movement. Used primarily in Android for apps such as Bump, or to rotate the screen, or games such as Teeter and racing simulators (tilt phone like you're turning the steering wheel, etc.) Also known as the motion sensor.
2) Light sensor: Used to detect ambient light so that when the phone's brightness is set to automatic, it knows to increase or decrease the brightness of the screen appropriately.
3) Proximity sensor: Used to detect if something is near the speaker and of the phone. Mainly it is used to turn off the screen and touch input when it detects something near its front, and a call is in progress (aka, detects the side of your head near it, so your cheek doesn't accidentally push any buttons).
As for the facial recognition, yes, that would be nice, but what happens when you get a haircut? Put on glasses? Have a zit? Get a black eye? Swollen lip? Sunburn? Grow/shave a beard/mustache/etc.? That's the problem with these kinds of software, and why all computers that have facial recognition will always have a password or some other kind of backup authentication.
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drmacinyasha said:
People, people! Please!
1) Accelerometer: Used to detect changes in movement. Used primarily in Android for apps such as Bump, or to rotate the screen, or games such as Teeter and racing simulators (tilt phone like you're turning the steering wheel, etc.) Also known as the motion sensor.
2) Light sensor: Used to detect ambient light so that when the phone's brightness is set to automatic, it knows to increase or decrease the brightness of the screen appropriately.
3) Proximity sensor: Used to detect if something is near the speaker and of the phone. Mainly it is used to turn off the screen and touch input when it detects something near its front, and a call is in progress (aka, detects the side of your head near it, so your cheek doesn't accidentally push any buttons).
As for the facial recognition, yes, that would be nice, but what happens when you get a haircut? Put on glasses? Have a zit? Get a black eye? Swollen lip? Sunburn? Grow/shave a beard/mustache/etc.? That's the problem with these kinds of software, and why all computers that have facial recognition will always have a password or some other kind of backup authentication.
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Nope! You posted a very good explanation! Cheers to you!

drmacinyasha said:
People, people! Please!
1) Accelerometer: Used to detect changes in movement. Used primarily in Android for apps such as Bump, or to rotate the screen, or games such as Teeter and racing simulators (tilt phone like you're turning the steering wheel, etc.) Also known as the motion sensor.
2) Light sensor: Used to detect ambient light so that when the phone's brightness is set to automatic, it knows to increase or decrease the brightness of the screen appropriately.
3) Proximity sensor: Used to detect if something is near the speaker and of the phone. Mainly it is used to turn off the screen and touch input when it detects something near its front, and a call is in progress (aka, detects the side of your head near it, so your cheek doesn't accidentally push any buttons).
As for the facial recognition, yes, that would be nice, but what happens when you get a haircut? Put on glasses? Have a zit? Get a black eye? Swollen lip? Sunburn? Grow/shave a beard/mustache/etc.? That's the problem with these kinds of software, and why all computers that have facial recognition will always have a password or some other kind of backup authentication.
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no... asus laptops have the face recognition systems and it works GReAT!!! no problems whatsoever... but thats b/c u can put sooo many pictures and set the sensitivity of the security on the camera... its pretty sweet

tauzins said:
no... asus laptops have the face recognition systems and it works GReAT!!! no problems whatsoever... but thats b/c u can put sooo many pictures and set the sensitivity of the security on the camera... its pretty sweet
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It's also a laptop and you still have the password login as a backup. Believe me, I used to cell them and had to reset the password every other day because bratty little kids came in and thought they were smart and tough by setting the camera login to themselves making some disgusting face, and the password to "toughguy" or "password".

Wow!!!!!!
is this app out yet? Couldnt find it on the market..
ferfy67 said:
Hope I a posting this correctly,
Saw this a few months ago
http://onlygizmos.com/recognizr-app-brings-face-detection-to-android/2010/02/
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*This was posted from my Evo 4G using Tapatalkpro! Great app, if you want to browse and post through many dfferent forums*

Would be pretty great!
Lol at the misinformation, thanks for clearing that up for our slower folk.
This is definitely gonna happen sooner or later.
It would need a backup method of course but if made properly it would be more general and little things wouldn't change the outcome.
I was thinking this...
You take 3 pictures the first time you open the app.
It merges them, aligns the face and sets a gaussian blur to smooth and remove imperfections.
Then it cuts out things like hair and eyebrows leaving behind the static parts of your face such as eye shape, nose, mouth, jawline and cheekbones.
It basically takes the 3 specific pictures of your face, and generalizes them, while keeping them relatable to every future pic.
I think its called interpolation, which gives you the perfect identifier, ultimately being used to recognize you.
Of course a setting would be needed to change how similar the face needs to be before being granted access but theres no reason it wouldn't work.
My other going thought is an app that learns as you go but it won't work as well.

nope again!
sprink0281 said:
Nope! You posted a very good explanation! Cheers to you!
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iTS AN OK thought of how it works but my HD2 can be of any position even flat down and as long as I am in a call and i put my finger over the light sensor (same as face, ear being close to sensor not letting hardly any light get to it)
the screen disables! I think many of you may not have the HD2 if ya didn't know that, don't let internet chat and gossip get in the way of the truth, truth is within the device when holding it, not hear-say. Also why would the accelerometer have anything to do with disabling screen when in an upright position? If one was to lay down in bed chatting on fone, my HD2 would un-disable screen... Try an app called mToolbox, it emulates what light sensor and motion sensor can be used for. I would say, light sensor can be more useful in many more apps than motion, motion works great with changing screen from portrait to landscape and movement in games.. An app to control ps3 via bluetooth using HD2's accelerometer feature would be useful, but for now, i have tweaked it to off, I have many older WinMo's and find using the screen orientation key much more faster and when i need it, it gets annoying when the screen changes at unwanted times and no matter how you calibrate any accelerometer, there are flaws to it depending on what situation one is in when holding the device (fone must be upright again to go back to portrait if fone was laying down) sorry for the long babble but I'm certain that the light sensor own's the screen shut-off feature on the HD2 for sure.. Quote me again any time!

dark screen when have phone call

Hi guys
Since one day , my screen turns dark when having phone call or receiving phone call.
I can't type the keyboard and press the speaker button, which are inconvenient.
I have updated fw to fw_capricorn_miui_MI5S_V9.6.1.0.NAGCNFD_857fde8b41_7.0.zip
I have this issue on different roms including lineage 14 , lineage15, RR,and pixel experience .
Do anyone also have the issue and do anyone know how to solve it.?
My phone drop to ground once which cause screen crack. I am not sure whether this is the root cause.
Many thanks

The phone has on the front a proximity sensor, which is basically a small light sensor that checks if the phone is near the head or not. If it's near the head, it turns the screen of, so that you don't press any buttons while holding the phone to your ear.
I think either your sensor is broken or the crack always brings light to the sensor.

patoberli said:
The phone has on the front a proximity sensor, which is basically a small light sensor that checks if the phone is near the head or not. If it's near the head, it turns the screen of, so that you don't press any buttons while holding the phone to your ear.
I think either your sensor is broken or the crack always brings light to the sensor.
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Could I disable this function?
Always disable light sensor or disable when have phone call

I had the same problem I thought the sensor was broken (you can test it with sensors test https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=asd.vector.sensor ). But it was ok, it turns out it was firmware related. When I downgraded my firmware the proximity sensor was working again...
Good Luck

AOD Not Turning Off In Pocket / Overturned - Can You Test

So I've noticed my AOD isn't turning off at all. While I do have it set to "Show Always", it should still turn off after a short time if the proximity sensor is covered., as was the case with the S7, S8 and S9.
Could you guys please confirm if this is the case for your AOD too? Turning the phone face down or put it in your pocket (or just cover the top half of the display) for a few minutes, see if the AOD turns off. Let me know if anyone sees it turn itself off.
You have to have AOD set to "Show Always" for this test to be valid.
I suspect this could be a bug which Samsung might need to be made aware of, hence my request for others to test. Unless I'm missing something VERY obvious. Or Maybe this is by design?
Thanks :good:
EDIT: thinking about this further, I reckon the proximity sensor is only active while it's flashing, such as when a call is being made. Because it's a "behind the display" type sensor. So maybe they made a trade off with AOD?

It's a sad news for you. S10+ doesn't have a proximity sensor as a trade-off for the screen (sounds ridiculous?). And some features are like sh*t due to the lack of proximity sensor. I don't know if I can go through with this so-called flagship

GialanG said:
It's a sad news for you. S10+ doesn't have a proximity sensor as a trade-off for the screen (sounds ridiculous?). And some features are like sh*t due to the lack of proximity sensor. I don't know if I can go through with this so-called flagship
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Ummm, of course it has a proximity sensor.....
Try making a call to someone (use voicemail if you want). You'll see a little white flashing dot to the left of the cameras, near the battery icon. This is the proximity sensor: https://hothardware.com/news/blinking-white-pixel-samsung-galaxy-s10-feature-not-bug
Try covering it up while in a call. The display will go off. Because you just covered up the proximity sensor. Because they do have one.

the_scotsman said:
Ummm, of course it has a proximity sensor.....
Try making a call to someone (use voicemail if you want). You'll see a little white flashing dot to the left of the cameras, near the battery icon. This is the proximity sensor: https://hothardware.com/news/blinking-white-pixel-samsung-galaxy-s10-feature-not-bug
Try covering it up while in a call. The display will go off. Because you just covered up the proximity sensor. Because they do have one.
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No it's not. Can you check it on your phone with *#0*# in the dialer or any proximity checking app? The result is always 0.
I had troubles with the double tap to wake and the show fingerprint features, and sometimes with calls when my phone behaves abnormally. Then I checked and it turns out that S10 doesn't have a proximity sensor. Samsung did other things to replace the proximity sensor's function, but it has been much worse than before

the_scotsman said:
So I've noticed my AOD isn't turning off at all. While I do have it set to "Show Always", it should still turn off after a short time if the proximity sensor is covered., as was the case with the S7, S8 and S9.
Could you guys please confirm if this is the case for your AOD too? Turning the phone face down or put it in your pocket (or just cover the top half of the display) for a few minutes, see if the AOD turns off. Let me know if anyone sees it turn itself off.
You have to have AOD set to "Show Always" for this test to be valid.
I suspect this could be a bug which Samsung might need to be made aware of, hence my request for others to test. Unless I'm missing something VERY obvious. Or Maybe this is by design?
Thanks :good:
EDIT: thinking about this further, I reckon the proximity sensor is only active while it's flashing, such as when a call is being made. Because it's a "behind the display" type sensor. So maybe they made a trade off with AOD?
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tried it on a S10E, the AOD always stay on even when in pocket.

Can confirm on my s10+. AOD does not turn off in my pocket or laying face down.

did anyone notice the werid little flashing spot above the the signal bars? that`s the only place where when I put my finger over it the screen goes off during call

GialanG said:
No it's not. Can you check it on your phone with *#0*# in the dialer or any proximity checking app? The result is always 0.
I had troubles with the double tap to wake and the show fingerprint features, and sometimes with calls when my phone behaves abnormally. Then I checked and it turns out that S10 doesn't have a proximity sensor. Samsung did other things to replace the proximity sensor's function, but it has been much worse than before
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Seriously, it has both a proximity sensor and light sensor as per normal. They may work slightly different, hence why crappy test apps from the Play store don't work. And why AOD is no longer turning off in pockets.
Watch JerryRigEverything's teardown, specifically here, where he physically points them out: https://youtu.be/kHzmFPoZbCA?t=427
2003vstrom said:
did anyone notice the werid little flashing spot above the the signal bars? that`s the only place where when I put my finger over it the screen goes off during call
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Read the link I posted in my earlier post. That's the proximity sensor.

the_scotsman said:
Seriously, it has both a proximity sensor and light sensor as per normal. They may work slightly different, hence why crappy test apps from the Play store don't work. And why AOD is no longer turning off in pockets.
Watch JerryRigEverything's teardown, specifically here, where he physically points them out: https://youtu.be/kHzmFPoZbCA?t=427
Read the link I posted in my earlier post. That's the proximity sensor.
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Not only apps in Store, but the SS diagnostic mode doesn't show either. Check the attached pics of S10+ and Note 5 in SS stock diagnostic mode

the_scotsman said:
Try covering it up while in a call. The display will go off. Because you just covered up the proximity sensor. Because they do have one.
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Same here.
Tbh it's not really a trade off I'm happy with because it makes AOD a source of battery drain at this point. I want to be able to put my phone face down to save battery. Do you think this might actually be a bug?
Started a thread in the Samsung community forum. Maybe some of you guys can top up with your own findings.
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S10/Always-on-display-not-turning-off/m-p/473981#M2111
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GialanG said:
No it's not. Can you check it on your phone with *#0*# in the dialer or any proximity checking app? The result is always 0.
I had troubles with the double tap to wake and the show fingerprint features, and sometimes with calls when my phone behaves abnormally. Then I checked and it turns out that S10 doesn't have a proximity sensor. Samsung did other things to replace the proximity sensor's function, but it has been much worse than before
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Found this article which confirms the existence of a proximity sensor.
https://hothardware.com/news/blinking-white-pixel-samsung-galaxy-s10-feature-not-bug
The trade-off might be due to the fact that's the sensor is tied to that blinking pixel and is only active while making phone calls.
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Same here, AOD doesn't turn off when flipping it over or covering top portion of the screen.
I'm starting to think this is why they added the feature of AOD only turning on when you tap the screen once as a trade off for it not automatically turning off

mrnovanova said:
Found this article which confirms the existence of a proximity sensor.
https://hothardware.com/news/blinking-white-pixel-samsung-galaxy-s10-feature-not-bug
The trade-off might be due to the fact that's the sensor is tied to that blinking pixel and is only active while making phone calls.
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I tend to agree. I carry my S10+ in my shirt pocket and have noticed that AOD remains on.
Additionally, if double tap to wake the screen is on, the screen will wake on in your pocket without double-tapping it. I have disabled this feature as its annoying that this is also buggy!

pickwit said:
I tend to agree. I carry my S10+ in my shirt pocket and have noticed that AOD remains on.
Additionally, if double tap to wake the screen is on, the screen will wake on in your pocket without double-tapping it. I have disabled this feature as its annoying that this is also buggy!
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This combined with the lift to wake option interpreting placing in pocket as lifting and the ultrasonic fingerprint reader activating in pockets is giving us of a real annoyance.
I hope Samsung are aware of this and do something about it.. .. ..
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Very strange... just tried disabling double tap to wake the screen and it didn't stop it happening... Doh

It's a bug, they forgot to link the older aod behaviour with the new implementation of this sensor, I expect it to be fixed in the next update, along with everything else.

I'm constantly getting this too. Even with AOD off and the option to not turn screen on when in pocket(can't remember exactly name) I'm still constantly having my phone turn on in my pocket. At work I get a break every 2.5 hours and sometimes 45 minutes or more of that it'll be on in my pocket. I've pulled it out several times and the emergency call screen be on with a lot of numbers pressed. It's definitely a huge annoyance. My battery almost died during a 10 hour shift because of this.
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Hi everyone. Any thoughts on this issue? This still persists for me even though my phone is up to date and it's may already.
I too think that there's a trade off with the in-screen proximity sensor and the fact that the phone doesn't recognise that's in a pocket. Mine keeps going on while in it.
There must be a way to get around this issue but I'm suspecting we'll never see an optimal fix since the proximity sensor uses that lit pixel to work and nobody would like to see it blinking every second.
I blame bad engineering here. Thumbs down for Samsung mobile.

I blame the new in screen proximity sensor. I doubt they will ever get a fix for their first gen type used on our devices. It'll probably be fixed on the note 11 or S11. I hope not though.
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folks, its a bug in Oneui which existed in all S10 and s10+... its had been reported since day one and still Samsung still unable to solve this issues till date. And they published an notice in Samsung member app, next update will be addressing this issues finally. so lets wait for May updates and see they really solve it.
https://www.sammobile.com/2019/05/13/samsung-galaxy-s10-future-updates-improvements

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folks, its a bug in Oneui which existed in all S10 and s10+... its had been reported since day one and still Samsung still unable to solve this issues till date. And they published an notice in Samsung member app, next update will be addressing this issues finally. so lets wait for May updates and see they really solve it.
https://www.sammobile.com/2019/05/13/samsung-galaxy-s10-future-updates-improvements
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Oops accidentally thanked you.
Samsung will never resolve it on the s10, you heard it from here first.
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Did anybody notice a small blinking circle, around 1 cm to the right of the camera wh

Hi as the question says
Did anybody notice a small blinking circle (will be around 1mm size), around 1 cm to the right of the camera when you place a call on the note 10 +
or is it only me?

During calls I noticed it.
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It appears to be the prox sensor (for turning the phone screen off when its up to your ear). That's what I've been seeing in comments of other people seeing the flashing during calls.

I believe it is the proximity sensor

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During calls I noticed it.
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It appears to be the prox sensor (for turning the phone screen off when its up to your ear). That's what I've been seeing in comments of other people seeing the flashing during calls.
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I believe it is the proximity sensor
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okay thanks... was worried it might be dead pixels

Hopefully a sensor and not a pixel issue. Happening to me

Yes, proximity sensor. S10+ 5G has it also.
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That would be the proximity sensor

It is the proximity sensor.
And by the way it doesn't work well at all on my S10 plus. When I am on the phone the screen would turn on and then my ear would start tapping on the screen turning things on and off.
Pretty annoying, so I had to learn to manually turn the screen off with the power button every time before I answer or make a call...
I sincerely hope they have somehow found a way to improve it with the Note

just now saw it whilst playing a whatsapp voice message. when i put my finger over it, the phones speaker will shut off which seems to confirms its proximity sensors.
i did notice after some seconds, maybe a minute, the blinking light stops on whatsapp if you are listening to a speaker call on whatsapp... i have the whatsapp on full screen mode so the green part of the phones GUI is up there...

I noticed this today also when I placed a call. I dont make calls much so I just noticed it after 2 days. Just had some free time now and quickly rushed to locate this thread I had seen yesterday I believe.
What a relief it's the proxi sensor.

tiho5 said:
It is the proximity sensor.
And by the way it doesn't work well at all on my S10 plus. When I am on the phone the screen would turn on and then my ear would start tapping on the screen turning things on and off.
Pretty annoying, so I had to learn to manually turn the screen off with the power button every time before I answer or make a call...
I sincerely hope they have somehow found a way to improve it with the Note
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Working quite well for me so far.
It shows that Samsung has the ability to create camera under screen, but they didn't most likely due to photo quality

Good to know it's the proximity sensor.
Mine appears to flash rapidly more than blink though lol.

I thought I had a defective note. Thanks for the info.
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It's the same thing just like S 10

those of us coming from the Note 9 that didn't have this, it's a new thing to discover...

When I first noticed it I thought dead pixel lol but it only visible during calls iv noticed

Yes, it is the proximity sensor, it is sad that this sensor implementation does not allow third party apps to use it, I used gravity screen in my past devices to turn screen off when in pocket or turn it on waving over the sensor, but now the app became useless, I use macrodroid, but it is not as good as gravity screen

does anyone else have a problem with the proximity sensor not turning the screen off during the call over telegram, threema etc.?

iopah said:
does anyone else have a problem with the proximity sensor not turning the screen off during the call over telegram, threema etc.?
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Literally read the post before yours.

Question How to wake up my new phone with a wave (proximity?)

I just upgraded from an S8 to a 21 FE, I had this setup where my screen will turn off using the proximity sensor, so when I open my case cover or lift it up from the table it just turns on automatically.
Upgrading, I notice the apps I used (Gravity Screen, Smart Screen On Off) are not working as they used to. In most tests, I did seem to suggest the proximity sensor only responds when the front lens is covered by my thumb instead of just hovering over with my hand like before. I did the *#77692# test and the Proximity sensor is working fine then WHEN I enable it so I'm at a lost here, is this a technical issue, is this by design

EnigmaXtreme said:
I just upgraded from an S8 to a 21 FE, I had this setup where my screen will turn off using the proximity sensor, so when I open my case cover or lift it up from the table it just turns on automatically.
Upgrading, I notice the apps I used (Gravity Screen, Smart Screen On Off) are not working as they used to. In most tests, I did seem to suggest the proximity sensor only responds when the front lens is covered by my thumb instead of just hovering over with my hand like before. I did the *#77692# test and the Proximity sensor is working fine then WHEN I enable it so I'm at a lost here, is this a technical issue, is this by design
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Didn't you find the gesture to double tap the screen to wake up?

ze7zez said:
Didn't you find the gesture to double tap the screen to wake up?
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I did, but I'm used to waving my phone awake with both my hand and by opening my phone case, but it seems the more recent Galaxy phones don't allow the same use of the proximity sensor

EnigmaXtreme said:
I did, but I'm used to waving my phone awake with both my hand and by opening my phone case, but it seems the more recent Galaxy phones don't allow the same use of the proximity sensor
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A touch sensor while the screen is locked can consume less power than a proximity sensor placed in a camera, for example.