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Do you think Pixel C will get ChromeOS?

The hardware seems good for a small Chromebook, but I read a rumor/insight that ChromeOS touchscreen wasnt ready so last minute they loaded Android, as shown in the bootloader and drivers.
Does anyone think they'll offer ChromeOS for the Pixel C?
Or it is all it can be and it is the split-screen champion of Android N and hence why the 25% "developer's" discount?

The discount came around because there's so little development and fairly limited interest. Since it has a Chrome OS bootloader, dev'ing for it is harder, from what I hear/understand. I doubt it'll get Chrome OS, though I'm hoping for Remix OS. I wish they would replace the bootloader with an Android one, but I doubt that's possible remotely.

YevOmega said:
The discount came around because there's so little development and fairly limited interest. Since it has a Chrome OS bootloader, dev'ing for it is harder, from what I hear/understand. I doubt it'll get Chrome OS, though I'm hoping for Remix OS. I wish they would replace the bootloader with an Android one, but I doubt that's possible remotely.
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I just yesterday manually flashed the latest Android, and I did the fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-dragon-google_smaug.7132.295.0.img
I'm sure bootloader could be modified.
The relatively quiet Pixel C shows me there is little interest relatively for this tablet.

It's a real shame as this tablet has a lot of potential. I guess I bought into that potential though I do consider XDA as the benchmark and if this section isn't booming....then
Doesn't help with the early woes and the normal price of the unit. I've been fortunate to have a problem free unit, mine is fast, fluid, well built and all that lacks is some decent software.
I suppose N will be our salvation.

nigelhealy said:
I just yesterday manually flashed the latest Android, and I did the fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-dragon-google_smaug.7132.295.0.img
I'm sure bootloader could be modified.
The relatively quiet Pixel C shows me there is little interest relatively for this tablet.
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Modified =/= change from Chrome OS to Android bootloader. I too have it unlocked. I just think that changing to an Android bootloader involves hardware changes as well as firmware.
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Doughnut said:
It's a real shame as this tablet has a lot of potential. I guess I bought into that potential though I do consider XDA as the benchmark and if this section isn't booming....then
Doesn't help with the early woes and the normal price of the unit. I've been fortunate to have a problem free unit, mine is fast, fluid, well built and all that lacks is some decent software.
I suppose N will be our salvation.
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N should be great. To be fair, I don't really need much past what GravityBox provides me.... I'm just a flashaholic. Really, really hoping for Remix OS though.

YevOmega said:
Modified =/= change from Chrome OS to Android bootloader. I too have it unlocked. I just think that changing to an Android bootloader involves hardware changes as well as firmware.
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I would like there to be a ChromeOS ROM version for the Pixel C in so far as the multitasking and windowing is superior and not reliant on apps being modified, unlike Android N will take year+ to get all apps to behave.
However I don't see it happening, it makes no sense to retrofit it on the Pixel C, unless they decide to use the Pixel C as a developer option to pull ChromeOS upwards on that form factor with touchscreen.

nigelhealy said:
I would like there to be a ChromeOS ROM version for the Pixel C in so far as the multitasking and windowing is superior and not reliant on apps being modified, unlike Android N will take year+ to get all apps to behave.
However I don't see it happening, it makes no sense to retrofit it on the Pixel C, unless they decide to use the Pixel C as a developer option to pull ChromeOS upwards on that form factor with touchscreen.
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I agree, not gonna happen.

Possible to port Google Pixel ROM to HTC 10?

Hello developers!
I am not savvy at all on programming but I had a question. Would it be possible to port the Google Pixel ROM to the HTc 10? I know the Pixel is made by HTC and the specs are pretty similar. I would not be able to do it because I have no clue. I was just curious if it would be possible (without a astronomical amount of work).
Thanks for any replys.

Good question, possible probably, how long and how much work. Well that's another question that requires someone with the ability.
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razrlover said:
Good question, possible probably, how long and how much work. Well that's another question that requires someone with the ability.
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So you don't have an answer and just spoke for the sake of speaking. :good:

samisax said:
So you don't have an answer and just spoke for the sake of speaking. :good:
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question itself was really a discussion point not an actual question when you are asking nougat to be ported to htc 10 when mm hasn't yet been ported or even the pixel is yet to launch on many countries/areas/stores
pixel rom is vanilla nougat so the answer given was a discussion point again which is :good:

SacredDeviL666 said:
question itself was really a discussion point not an actual question when you are asking nougat to be ported to htc 10 when mm hasn't yet been ported or even the pixel is yet to launch on many countries/areas/stores
pixel rom is vanilla nougat so the answer given was a discussion point again which is :good:
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MM is what the device shipped with.

samisax said:
MM is what the device shipped with.
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not vanilla MM its shipped with Sense based on MM...
google devices/roms are on aosp/vanilla/cm android and none of them of MM is yet ported to htc 10... you could see the progress of cm ports currently on htc dev threads

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So you don't have an answer and just spoke for the sake of speaking. :good:
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I concur with @SacredDeviL666, good discussion point indeed.
And yes sometimes i speak or text to carry on a point just for the sake of it.
**Sometimes it brings others into the conversation, and the people that have the ability could be the others.
**Sometimes that's the and.
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SacredDeviL666 said:
question itself was really a discussion point not an actual question when you are asking nougat to be ported to htc 10 when mm hasn't yet been ported or even the pixel is yet to launch on many countries/areas/stores
pixel rom is vanilla nougat so the answer given was a discussion point again which is :good:
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SacredDeviL666 said:
not vanilla MM its shipped with Sense based on MM...
google devices/roms are on aosp/vanilla/cm android and none of them of MM is yet ported to htc 10... you could see the progress of cm ports currently on htc dev threads
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You didn't say vanilla MM the first time around. The 10 shipped with Marshmallow and had access to the full feature set of Marshmallow. I know very well what AOSP is. It's exciting the sort of progress that's being done on CM, despite the calm of late.
Also, Pixel isn't Vanilla. It has added apps/features that will not be on Nexus devices, and are beyond AOSP. The Pixel ROM is a skinned Android.

There's actually a Pixel ROM made for the Nexus devices now! Can anyone port this? The link is for the Nexus 5X --> https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/development/rom-pixelmod-lg-nexus-5x-t3486862

With lineage, resurrection remix and some other vanilla roms, not to mention certain parts of the pixel like the launcher and I think the dialer have been made avaliable, there isn't a massive demand for it.. Not when there isn't really any difference between the two.
Perhaps the so called added apps and features to be added would be a better question and probably one with a more probable positive outcome.

@SacredDeviL666 Let me just hop in with the statement that Pixel ROM is not vanilla Android. Its close, but its not. Nexuses had vanilla Android. Having a custom skin (Pixel Launcher) and additions to the system that aren't part of the AOSP or available to all other OEMs makes the Pixel equal to Sense, TouchWiz, EMUI etc...
In a way, asking to port Pixel ROM is like to ask if someone could port TouchWiz ROM. You can imagine how hard it would be to port TouchWiz.
BUT, unlike other skinned ROMs, Pixel apps can easily be installed onto other devices.
As a conclusion, for a close-as-possible Pixel ROM, use the most vanilla AOSP ROM you can find,
and only install Gapps and apps that arent part of that package but belong to Pixel, like the launcher.

dj_chapz said:
@SacredDeviL666 Let me just hop in with the statement that Pixel ROM is not vanilla Android. Its close, but its not. Nexuses had vanilla Android. Having a custom skin (Pixel Launcher) and additions to the system that aren't part of the AOSP or available to all other OEMs makes the Pixel equal to Sense, TouchWiz, EMUI etc...
In a way, asking to port Pixel ROM is like to ask if someone could port TouchWiz ROM. You can imagine how hard it would be to port TouchWiz.
BUT, unlike other skinned ROMs, Pixel apps can easily be installed onto other devices.
As a conclusion, for a close-as-possible Pixel ROM, use the most vanilla AOSP ROM you can find,
and only install Gapps and apps that arent part of that package but belong to Pixel, like the launcher.
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Pretty sure it's not impossible since it was ported to the Nexus 6P, 5X, 6, 9 and not sure what other so it can be done!

asj2583 said:
Pretty sure it's not impossible since it was ported to the Nexus 6P, 5X, 6, 9 and not sure what other so it can be done!
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Never said its impossible, just that there's no need to port the ROM because you get most features by just installing Pixel apps onto your phone.
Some other things, that are Pixel exclusives, a bit harder to port. Or we may need to implement those from scratch. Also, the phones you mentioned are all Nexus devices
with drivers available. If you try to port to another OEM you will probably have part of hardware not working or working but laggy.
Pixel is made in perfect sync with software and hardware, and we don't know what optimizations did Google do for their phone under the hood.

"Android O - 8.0" PossIble for Zenfone 2?

Hello everyone, it is possible to receive custom ROM "Android O" for our Zenfone 2 ???

O was just announced, we're going to have to wait a little longer before we can know if it's possible, and a lot longer before it's actually built.

adobrakic said:
O was just announced, we're going to have to wait a little longer before we can know if it's possible, and a lot longer before it's actually built.
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It's a good thing you answered first. I would not have been as diplomatic. Lol
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Here comes ETA posts

Yes, it is posible but first need the sources and the sources are released after the official version is pushed to Nexus devices, maybe in October September will have and alpha version of Android O

Completely possible, thru custom ROMs
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mrichiem said:
Completely possible, thru custom ROMs
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I wouldn't say completely. Google is laying out minimum hardware requirements for stuff like audio, vr and ar which our old phone may not mean.
But do I have confidence that our devs will make everything else work? Yes, completely. Although it's gonna take a long time. I will be elated if N hits stable.

Since the question of this topic can't really be answered, someone knows how long statistically can a device be supported by custom roms? I mean maybe Android Z is too far fetched, but android P for example?

distant_thunder_89 said:
Since the question of this topic can't really be answered, someone knows how long statistically can a device be supported by custom roms? I mean maybe Android Z is too far fetched, but android P for example?
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Same answer as before, it all depends on hardware requirements
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Thanks all for different opinions and answers

blazzer12 said:
I wouldn't say completely. Google is laying out minimum hardware requirements for stuff like audio, vr and ar which our old phone may not mean.
But do I have confidence that our devs will make everything else work? Yes, completely. Although it's gonna take a long time. I will be elated if N hits stable.
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well my current daily driver is an AOKP 7.1.1 Nougat on my Zenfone Max ZC550KL with no bugs so we can hope the same for O when Lineage OS releases its own version.
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kenbo111 said:
Same answer as before, it all depends on hardware requirements
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Hardware is the least of our problems, considering the one in Zenfone 2 (ZE551ML for example) is more than adequate.
Google making up it's own hardware requirements is nothing more than pandering to the idea of planned obsolescence to be honest so that they can sell newest phones.
I think that if the devs can get their hands on viable drivers that support the hardware in our devices and are compatible with Android 8, then technically, it shouldn't be an issue.
For Oreo, google would be pushing certain updates (fixes, etc.) not as a standalone feature, but something that would work in the same way as Windows and MacOS system updates do within the same OS version.
We know Windows updates usually work on a variety of hardware if the Windows as an OS is the same... the only thing that you also need are drivers to properly support the hardware in question (which can be difficult if the hardware is ancient, but I doubt this would apply to Zenfone 2) - this especially applies to upgrading from say Windows 7 to Windows 10 for example as some features like a microphone might stop working if the hardware in question was say from 10 years ago. Works on say Windows 7 for example because Vista drivers were made for the hardware in question which were compatible with Windows 7 to a point, but for Windows 10, compatibility between drivers for older Windows was not maintained and new drivers need to be written.
So, large OS replacement would likely depend on hardware drivers support and updating the OS sequentially shouldn't be an issue if the drivers exist - if they don't... then it's a problem.
Manufacturers tend to stop supporting hardware after a certain time... OEM's are even worse.
If we can find drivers independently from a company that produced it, then it might be possible to find more recent drivers that work.
In case of GPU's (or any other hardware inside your PC), you wouldn't rely on the OEM for drivers. You'd go to AMD's or Nvidia's websites to download latest drivers.

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i love one plus 7T

who else love it

I thought there was gonna be a "but" on the text lol. I do love it too, I came to this phone from a Pocophone and the only thing i miss is the custom ROMs development on the Oneplus 7T.

hectorviov said:
I thought there was gonna be a "but" on the text lol. I do love it too, I came to this phone from a Pocophone and the only thing i miss is the custom ROMs development on the Oneplus 7T.
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I came from pocophone too. Lack of development is kinda disappointing, and i recently saw that delevopers said "TWRP may never come because of the new partition layout on android 10".

EugenStanis said:
I came from pocophone too. Lack of development is kinda disappointing, and i recently saw that delevopers said "TWRP may never come because of the new partition layout on android 10".
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Don't know if it's never gonna come or devs just haven't had the time to work on it. I read on their blog that the primary dev was having his child born and coudn't work on it. Also if I'm not mistaken the only phones with Android 10 out of the box as of right now are the Pixel 4 series and the Oneplus 7T series so not a lot to work on. Wait until Xiaomi, Samsung and more brands release Android 10 by default and I think development of TWRP on this new kind of partition system is gonna get more attention. That is why I'm hopeful that development for this phone can get more attention "soon-ish".

I like it alot wish there was more development tho

If google would just make something this quality i would buy one of their phones already. I was dissapointed in the looks of the pixel 4. They cheaped out on their components to maximize profits and its obvious. I have been mostly happy with the oneplus 7t but it has had some serious quirks too. I have had to reset mine several times and I am dealing with gps issues constantly.

I mostly love my OnePlus 7t. Though it has some issues. That need addressed. Also the lack of customization options is irritating coming from a custom ROM standpoint.

Love my 7T
Can't wait for TWRP to de-google this phone, but outside of that I totally love it. Although, to be fair this is my very first 'smart' phone so I really have nothing to compare it to. I think it's pretty damn great, actually.

Love the phone? hate the lack of development for it ?

I like it but will definitely hold off on next purchase to make sure development is more active. Luckily oxygen os is pretty decent, but still leaves a lot to be desired.

Can you guys tell me, what exactly you lack of for customization features? No offense, just out of curiosity.
I am flashing all of the devices in my household since the HTC desire days, like for the past 5..6..7 years or so... Constantly looking for the optimal ROM for me or my fiance's use case, tinkering with custom kernels, governer settings, blocking wakelocks... Whatsoever.
This is the first device I am happy with while it is just unlocked and rooted witch only a 1 magisk module active. For me android and OSS has come such a long way that all I build in aftermarket is now integrated in stock. Now it is just rooted, debloated and adfree. That's it for me. Although I somehow miss the long nights of flashing and trying out multiple stuff one after another, but also life gets more serious and time consumable so it's ok for me. I guess same for most of the gurus from the old days.. lol
I now can do my hobby more or less for a living, so no need to do it in my free time anymore...
What do you guys think? Is it just my feeling that the development branch somehow radically changed?
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I love this phone I installed Omni via adb and never looked back. I really want to get a lineage build on it but the builds I tried to make are very broken.

xe0r said:
Can you guys tell me, what exactly you lack of for customization features? No offense, just out of curiosity.
I am flashing all of the devices in my household since the HTC desire days, like for the past 5..6..7 years or so... Constantly looking for the optimal ROM for me or my fiance's use case, tinkering with custom kernels, governer settings, blocking wakelocks... Whatsoever.
This is the first device I am happy with while it is just unlocked and rooted witch only a 1 magisk module active. For me android and OSS has come such a long way that all I build in aftermarket is now integrated in stock. Now it is just rooted, debloated and adfree. That's it for me. Although I somehow miss the long nights of flashing and trying out multiple stuff one after another, but also life gets more serious and time consumable so it's ok for me. I guess same for most of the gurus from the old days.. lol
I now can do my hobby more or less for a living, so no need to do it in my free time anymore...
What do you guys think? Is it just my feeling that the development branch somehow radically changed?
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I agree. Since I left HTC (the M9 being he last one) I have not had the need to flash a custom ROM. Was on a Nokia 8 previously and the vanilla-ish android was good. I only missed the weather clock and mail app from HTC - but they are going down sadly so had to jump ship. Left Nokia as they launched too many phones and were not fixing bugs on their ex-flagships - promised to fixed their camera app but never came for example.
With the 7T I have to say I hardly have any complaint. Customisations are great and the phone is amazing. Adjusting the bokeh blur (live bokeh) would have been great even if it was after taking the photo but nothing else to complain about to be fair.
I do miss the old late nights flashing ROMS though - but like you say, life is different now. I haven't even rooted the Nokia and 7T! haha

xe0r said:
This is the first device I am happy with while it is just unlocked and rooted witch only a 1 magisk module active.
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Same for me! Running latest stable OSS (10.0.12) with xXx Rom/Module and thats it. Happy as I've been with any of my other OnePlus phones

foomanjackel said:
Same for me! Running latest stable OSS (10.0.12) with xXx Rom/Module and thats it. Happy as I've been with any of my other OnePlus phones
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May I ask what version of xXx Rom/Module you are using for our OnePlus 7T?

fossiltkm said:
May I ask what version of xXx Rom/Module you are using for our OnePlus 7T?
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the latest: 12.0

hectorviov said:
I thought there was gonna be a "but" on the text lol. I do love it too, I came to this phone from a Pocophone and the only thing i miss is the custom ROMs development on the Oneplus 7T.
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Hi, I also came from Poco F1. Amazing phone. Took me a while to get use to OP7T even thought it is better in many ways. I bought it new for 300 pounds and then after a year on October 2019 I found a deal like hell and bought a new OP7T for 360 pounds. Amoled display was the biggest advantage I noticed for the first time. Later I could not even look on the Poco F1 display and before I was astonished by the quality of the LCD panel. I got so much used to the face unlock on F1 cause it was so freaking fast and precise even at complete dark. That and the fast fingerprint scanner is another think I missed for a while. But eventually I get used to the in-display one (but they still could add one more on the back cause it is the perfect place for it). Also that I was so used to the MIUI, the environment was kind of weird for me. But with little bit of tweaking and setting up Nova launcher, which I have been using already for like 8 years anyway, helped a lot. And I even found some tweaks I could not do in MIUI. But like you mentioned, there were so much variety of ROMs and hell I like rooting, flashing and stuff like this. There is also one function I found only in MIUI and which helped me a lot when I came lazy like hell from night shift home and that is that you could mirror your screen to smart TV, lets say play a sitcom or whatever, and minimize it on the device itself so I could be on FB, YT, even play a games and not disturb media streaming to my TV. I wish Oneplus add this feature in future.

Cheap Phone For LineageOS

Hello,
I was looking for recommendations on a cheap phone to get started with trying out custom OS's and maybe serving as a backup phone. I found a Blu Advance L5 on Amazon for ~$40, but it looks like it isn't compatible with LineageOS and some of the other builds. Not looking for a daily driver, just something to test things out with. Thanks!

f1yankees said:
Hello,
I was looking for recommendations on a cheap phone to get started with trying out custom OS's and maybe serving as a backup phone. I found a Blu Advance L5 on Amazon for ~$40, but it looks like it isn't compatible with LineageOS and some of the other builds. Not looking for a daily driver, just something to test things out with. Thanks!
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I'd recommend looking for a used Google Pixel phone. The 4 and 5 series still has a lot of custom ROM support, including LineageOS. (Google has ended support for the pre-4 models, so I'd stay away from those. Some developers may still be able to eke out some support for them still, but it's not guaranteed.)

f1yankees said:
just something to test things out with
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Other than what @MJPollard said, you can check also this:
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
And make sure it is common enough, so support doesn't stop suddenly:
https://stats.lineageos.org/

Thank you both. Any thoughts on something like a Nokia 6.1 or Motorola phones (i.e. something sub $100)?

f1yankees said:
Thank you both. Any thoughts on something like a Nokia 6.1 or Motorola phones (i.e. something sub $100)?
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IMHO, anything that's sub-$100 probably isn't going to be supported for very long. You could get one of those phones, only to find out that it'll never go beyond Android 12 (LineageOS 19.1), or might even be stuck on earlier versions due to the lack of any further software support for the hardware (i.e. kernel and driver updates, which are essential). That's why phones like the Pixel are often good choices, as they'll usually be supported with new Android versions (both officially and unofficially) for a lot longer than the el-cheapos. You may have to pay a few dollars more, but you'll be better off in the long run. (Personally, I've had OnePlus phones for the last few years. First the 3T, then the 7 Pro, and now the 9 Pro. Probably not a choice for you as you're looking for something cost-effective, but OnePlus generally has an excellent shelf life even after official support ends... at least, it did until the OnePlus 10 series, but that's a subject for a different thread. )